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院長"},{"start":666.287,"end":683.554,"text":"次長這個是就是我們提到的專案小組第四次會議第四次會議裡面他怎麼講他說你們這裡面怎麼提到的你們法規還沒釐清到現在法規還沒釐清然後呢"},{"start":686.275,"end":711.719,"text":"鐵道局希望周邊的道路路線可以完善鐵道局當然希望啊因為他是主要的受益者嘛對不對高速公路局希望你們都不要來動到我國道的穿越相含不然會妨礙到我以後的拓寬那公路局說這個東西我們沒有錢可以補助啦台信事線要銜接高鐵站二樓平台是地方政府的事情"},{"start":712.918,"end":722.091,"text":"所以院長、次長你們回去看看你們這份專案小組的會議內容好不好看一下這裡面多離譜啦我想"},{"start":724.546,"end":746.957,"text":"現在最大的危機就是我們交通部陳部長他現在面臨的危機是說全部都是交通部的下屬所管轄的包括鐵道局、高工局、公路局整個案子是鐵道局的出差案然後要設閘道、要穿越高速公路相含要新增這個交流道也都是高工局管轄"},{"start":748.017,"end":775.701,"text":"然後74號聯外道路要銜接高鐵的二樓的平台這個是高工局管轄沒有一個是地方政府的事情可是奶隊各局處互相踢皮球沒有一個人願意出來整合出來統合所以我在想這裡是不是請院長來指示我們交通部就責成我們的次長來做這個案子的負責人"},{"start":776.55,"end":795.718,"text":"能夠有效的迅速的在法規能夠統合然後呢 未來的計畫能夠有專業再透過這個專業小組把這些事情全部的釐清 可以嗎 院長好 當然既然都是交通部的所轄的單位 我們公路局高工局或是高鐵 那應該"},{"start":796.718,"end":823.936,"text":"布裡面就能夠解決這個問題請次長跟部長回報以後是不是由次長您來主動來調 協調這個事情是是那再請部長來做決定對所以今天院長有一個正面的回應就是說願意請交通部請交通部部長同意由我們的陳正事出來來主持這一次的未來專案小組的會議以及所有這包括鐵道局高工局還有我們公路局就針對"},{"start":825.031,"end":854.31,"text":"高鐵特區相關新增交流道閘道的改善所有的這些這些工程的設計跟未來的一個法規的一個促進還有未來怎麼樣跟地方政府台中市政府協助的部分全部都交給我們政事次長來協助可以嗎我請政事來各個單位交通所屬各個單位來釐清當中所互相目前還沒有解決的困難那最後請部長來做最終的決定"},{"start":855.606,"end":859.188,"text":"因為我們現在未來鐵路高價除了海線雙軌高價之外現在人口最稠密的地區然後碰到如果鐵路因為烏日區鐵路位高價的話他整個在"},{"start":875.004,"end":902.259,"text":"烏日里跟九德里人口超過4萬人的這一個一個狹窗停行的一個地帶如果每次遭逢這個這個瞬間雨量大的時候他的這個下水道就是地下穿越道都會淹水已經造成無數次很多的這一次的這樣子的一些傷亡那所以經由我們的一個鐵路高架能夠徹底的改善這個不管是交通的問題安全的問題所以這個部分還在這邊還是要請院長來協助"},{"start":903.32,"end":918.07,"text":"就烏日大慶烏日站鐵路高架的部分能夠先來先行核定可以嗎謝謝委員今天的提醒我請交通部來加強化他的這個效率把這個事情做一個解決好的好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝閻委員下一位我們請黃裕祥委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:30:39.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:30:41.759000+08:00","text":"主席、各位列席官員，大家好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:30:42.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:30:44.923000+08:00","text":"主席，有請行政院卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-12T14:30:44.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:30:45.143000+08:00","text":"請卓院長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:30:45.143000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T14:30:57.208000+08:00","text":"顏委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:30:57.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:30:58.969000+08:00","text":"院長，下午好。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:30:58.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:31:18.017000+08:00","text":"不曉得前一陣子院長有沒有看過一則新聞，就是臺中市長盧秀燕在市政質詢回復議員時表示，不同意臺中海線用輕軌來代替捷運，臺中市未來不會有輕軌的計畫。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:31:18.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:31:18.558000+08:00","text":"院長認不認同盧市長這樣的說法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:31:23.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:31:25.785000+08:00","text":"抱歉，我倒沒有注意到相關的內容。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:31:26.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:31:53.764000+08:00","text":"市長是在市政質詢的時候，有議員問他說，海線從清泉崗機場到清水這一段，有規劃要用輕軌，但是市長已經在會議當中直接表明，臺中市未來不會有輕軌，所以這部分的計畫未來如果到了中央，還請院長來協助臺中市捷運的規劃，同時來核定、來協助臺中市，所以院長願不願意呢？","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:31:53.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:31:56.465000+08:00","text":"市政府的意見是要用什麼樣的方式？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:31:58.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:32:04.928000+08:00","text":"我們就是不同意用輕軌來取代捷運，所以全線都是捷運。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:32:07.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:32:15.041000+08:00","text":"我會請交通部來進一步研究，看怎麼樣有助於地方的發展跟實際上包括運量等等的需求。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:32:15.041000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T14:32:17.061000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:32:17.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:32:56.703000+08:00","text":"我再跟院長討論的是臺中市目前的捷運路網，現在規劃已經成型，藍線、橘線都是海線通往市區一個重要的捷運路線，尤其是科工軸線，科工軸線就是串聯屯區線銜接藍線、橘線、綠線的重要路線，未來搭配海線的鐵路雙軌高架，就能夠形成一個海線的公共運輸路網，科工軸線這條路線非常特別，它銜接高鐵跟臺中機場，對於整個臺中機場的運量以及未來旅客選擇從臺中機場出發的意願，一定會大大的提升。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:32:57.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:33:08.534000+08:00","text":"現在臺中市已經是全臺人口第二多的城市，捷運路線要能夠成為路網，才能夠讓旅客乘車的意願提高。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:33:09.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:33:27.780000+08:00","text":"臺中市現在多管齊下，包含橘線、藍線延伸、屯區環狀線，還有我們的崇德豐原線，都還在可行性評估的階段，希望院長在這部分多多的協助，支持臺中市政府，讓臺中這些捷運路網可以儘速核定。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:33:30.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:33:55.133000+08:00","text":"114年9月26日交通部將捷運橘線案提送促參平臺審議完成，符合免送促參審議條件；又交通部於115年2月2日再度核轉行政院審議，所以這個案子已經在院長的桌上，是不是請院長能夠同意此案，讓臺中捷運橘線能夠儘速核定？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:33:56.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:33:57.135000+08:00","text":"這部分可不可以請院長回答？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:33:58.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:34:00.534000+08:00","text":"橘線的部分，我請次長說明一下。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T14:34:01.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:34:26.829000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明一下，因為橘線這裡有特別提到要送促參平臺，這是基於促參的機制，審完以後報請行政院核定，行政院在核定的過程裡面，當然行政院會有相關的審查，且依照審查的結果，才會簽報行政院來核定，所以現在已經在這樣一個程序之中。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:34:27.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:34:57.232000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，所以才請院長看看能不能加快時程，因為就整個路網來看，臺中捷運系統如果核定之後，包含由我們的屯區捷運線跟捷運綠線串聯，成為一個環狀路網，能夠向外輻射發展，擴大服務範圍，也能夠連同周邊的公共運輸串聯到中部其他包括彰化、南投兩個縣市，讓整個交通環境可以大幅度的改善，所以這個一定要請中央鼎力相助，院長，可以嗎？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:34:57.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:35:04.294000+08:00","text":"好，我會請院裡面對這個案子再仔細的來評估並做一個適當的解決。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:35:06.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:35:22.628000+08:00","text":"好，我再延續前面的議題，臺中市現在的捷運路線多半都是倚靠臺鐵的路線來規劃，以臺鐵的路線形成最外圍的一個大環線，所以未來臺鐵也是臺中捷運路網串聯最重要的一環。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:35:22.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:36:15.851000+08:00","text":"但是我現在擔心的是我們臺中大慶烏日高架化還有海線鐵路雙軌高架段這兩個案子，從我2013年擔任立委到現在已經13年了，對這兩個案子不斷的討論，最新的是115年3月6日交通部又交給鐵道局做審查，今天部長沒有來，本來我要問陳部長，但是他請假了，陳部長從上任到現在也已經20個月了，過去在市府、鐵道局、交通部、行政院、國發會來來回回，公文往返不知道幾十次了，數都數不完，所以我想要請教院長，這個案子到底是技術上有困難、用地無法取得還是經費分攤有問題？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:36:15.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:36:21.090000+08:00","text":"又或者是有其他特殊的政治因素？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:36:21.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:36:25.653000+08:00","text":"院長，你可不可以告訴我為什麼只有這一段沒辦法執行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:36:26.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:36:39.124000+08:00","text":"海線雙軌高架化的這個路段目前應該有四、五個問題存在，行政院已經請交通部把審查的結果請市政府做修正之後再報，目前是……","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:36:39.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:36:40.765000+08:00","text":"已經來來回回做了好幾次的修正。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:36:40.765000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T14:36:41.765000+08:00","text":"最近一次是在1月份。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:36:41.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:37:14.723000+08:00","text":"我跟院長報告，除了海線雙軌高架段之外，我們高鐵從新烏日站到大慶站這一段是最短的距離，從2013年到現在，從當初的50億到現在的上百億，這13年都擱置在這裡，我現在如果從臺北回去臺中，尤其到烏日，每一天回到選區，民眾就直接問我為什麼不做，為什麼其他地方的高架都做了，為什麼只有大慶到烏日還沒做？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:37:15.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:37:16.965000+08:00","text":"難道這裡沒有迫切需要嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:37:16.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:37:43.403000+08:00","text":"現在時間一久了，現在民眾都直接跟我講大白話，直接問我是不是因為立場不同所以不做，在我們烏日不只有立委，我們還有部長，部長來自於烏日，而且他每天臺中、臺北往返，他也是住在烏日，為什麼只有烏日這一段沒辦法做？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:37:44.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:37:44.325000+08:00","text":"我想這個是要跟不要的問題而已啦！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:37:46.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:37:49.503000+08:00","text":"對地方的交通建設我們的立場都是一致的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:37:50.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:37:51.606000+08:00","text":"你說立場一致，但是問題是落後啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:37:51.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:38:06.101000+08:00","text":"臺中市有很多的狀況出現，我們也是全力下去協助，我剛剛跟委員報告，1月份行政院的函已經請交通部給市府，重新再依修正函去做修正，照審查意見進行修正，在3月份也已經在進行程序當中。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:38:06.101000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T14:38:19.520333+08:00","text":"從50億到現在是100億，從經費比較少就可以做到現在即使花100億還做不起來，而且一拖就拖了13年。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:38:19.520333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T14:38:32.939667+08:00","text":"我們交通部部長也來自於烏日，到底有沒有急迫性、要做跟不做，我想這是一個態度的問題啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:38:32.939667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T14:38:46.359000+08:00","text":"請交通部會後再提供給本席，包括交通部鐵道局最新的回復意見，了解到底問題出在哪裡，我們來解決問題，把問題找出來，看哪裡需要協調，我們就來協調，如果這個可以通過，對於整個臺中海線、屯區未來整體的交通問題一定大有改善，所以我想要在這裡跟院長說，因為部長今天沒來嘛！","quality":0.282},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:38:46.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:38:50.283000+08:00","text":"交通部是不是已經在審查市府送來的修正意見？是。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:38:50.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:38:53.706000+08:00","text":"就是來來往往好幾次，修改很多次了。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T14:38:53.706000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T14:38:55.168000+08:00","text":"現在已經在審查了。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:38:55.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:39:12.271000+08:00","text":"好，我想再請教院長有關高鐵娛樂城的問題，大家都知道現在這是一個最大的開發案，我這邊有收到115年2月4號專案小組的會議紀錄，希望未來如果有開會都能夠繼續將會議紀錄提供給本席辦公室。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:39:12.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:39:24.995000+08:00","text":"我在紀錄裡面看到交通部運研所提出的問題，標題是「省道快速公路增設交流道申請審核作業要點是否適用於既有匝道之改善拓寬？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:39:27.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:40:14.841000+08:00","text":"」這個匝道的問題，不管在歷次的質詢或者考察會議當中，我都明確的要求中央要針對高鐵娛樂城周邊國道匝道、交流道改善或臺74線快速道路匝道優化，在明年2028年全面開放的時候，當高鐵娛樂城開幕的時候，南來北往，還有在地龐大的車流，如果只靠目前的平面道路改善，到時候整個交通一定完蛋，未來的車流、人流是現在的數倍，必須要搭配我前面所提到的這些方案。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"顏委員寬恒","start":"2026-05-12T14:40:15.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T14:40:36.197000+08:00","text":"我想請教院長，2024年10月也是在這個位置，在總質詢的時候你允諾要成立高鐵娛樂城專案小組，到現在已經一年半了，這個專案小組成立已經一年半了，這個最基本的法規問題到現在都還沒有釐清，所以要請問院長，這樣的效率你能接受嗎？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T14:40:37.71400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