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謝謝卓院長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:18:58.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:18:58.890000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:18:59.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:19:01.833000+08:00","text":"有請卓院長跟交通部陳政次。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-12T15:19:03.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:19:04.676000+08:00","text":"請卓院長還有陳次長備詢。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:19:04.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:19:05.116000+08:00","text":"徐委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:19:13.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:19:15.143000+08:00","text":"院長、次長午安。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:19:17.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:19:22.806000+08:00","text":"我到立法院來服務，這是第5個會期，也很幸運能夠到交通委員會。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:19:25.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:19:31.869000+08:00","text":"每次會期的總質詢，我想我還是著墨在屏東的重大交通建設。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:19:32.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:19:44.522000+08:00","text":"今天也特別帶著屏東正出產的鳳梨、芒果跟洋蔥要送給院長跟次長，希望能夠幫我們屏東的農特產品和辛苦的農民來加油打氣！","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:19:44.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:20:08.514000+08:00","text":"因為鳳梨、洋蔥跟芒果，從我們最南端、國境之南要送到臺北千里迢迢、要花很多的時間，未來如果我們這些重大交通建設可以逐一改善，縮短交通的時程跟交通的成本，對我們農民絕對是正向的思維。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:20:08.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:20:16.797000+08:00","text":"所以我今天也針對我們屏東幾個重大交通建設特別再跟院長、部長來請命，希望能夠加快期程。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:20:17.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:20:56.174000+08:00","text":"院長，我想您也對屏東非常非常的熟悉，這張圖是屏東縣33個鄉鎮的區域圖，從最北的1、2屏北，到3、4、5屏中，到6、7的屏南，整個從軌道建設、公路建設還有甚至到小琉球交通的建設，每一個都是我們很重要的環節，也是我們觀光產業跟科技發展很重要、重中之重的瓶頸，我們也期待行政院跟交通部要加快速度。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:20:56.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:21:26.912000+08:00","text":"不過很遺憾的，每次聽到屏東重大交通建設的時候，總是有一些前朝的官員，甚至一些環評的委員，都認為高鐵南延屏東不需要，因為屏東人口沒那麼多，農業發展也不需要高鐵，甚至還有提到我們那麼遠，要花那麼多交通建設的成本，這樣對我們公平嗎？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:21:26.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:21:39.220000+08:00","text":"院長，我想臺灣是一日生活圈，尤其賴總統區域均衡發展的理念，我想院長應該很支持臺灣交通建設的均衡發展，請院長說明一下。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:21:40.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:21:55.715000+08:00","text":"是的，我們常說「大軍未到，糧草先行」，就產業發展而言，如果交通路線能夠先規劃的話，對產業、基本人民交通需求跟民生是有絕大助益的，所以不是現在人多人少的問題。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:21:55.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:22:04.497000+08:00","text":"當然，它的交通量我們會考量，但未來的前瞻性，才是我們現在整個建設眼光該放的地方。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:22:05.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:22:12.705000+08:00","text":"好，我先從標示上面1、2、3、4、5、6、7的點請教一下次長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:22:12.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:22:15.928000+08:00","text":"次長，這7個地點您熟悉嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T15:22:15.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:22:16.568000+08:00","text":"我有一定的了解。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:22:18.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:22:22.454000+08:00","text":"第1個點是什麼建設？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:22:22.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:22:27.318000+08:00","text":"第1個就是我們屏東市的高鐵，準備從高雄南延到屏東。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:22:27.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:22:30.501000+08:00","text":"關於完工的期程，目前交通部的規劃是什麼時候？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T15:22:34.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:22:49.417000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，應該這樣講，目前高鐵南延計畫院長核定就是以高雄的方案來辦理，所以就是依照這種方式來辦理相關的綜合規劃或者是環評的工作。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T15:22:50.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:23:08.387000+08:00","text":"目前環評的工作，在今年5月4號召開了高鐵南延屏東二階環評範疇界定的會議，已經就範疇界定做了一些修正，我想後續相關環評的工作就可以展開。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T15:23:10.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:23:22.196000+08:00","text":"也跟委員報告，環評要通過了以後，奉行政院核定，整個綜合規劃、相關的計畫才能夠繼續往下走，所以有關環評的工作，我們會積極的辦理。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:23:26.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:23:40.203000+08:00","text":"但是我想還是有一個很關鍵的點，我們未來要配合跟臺鐵共構六塊厝車站遷移的計畫，我想部裡面應該已經報到行政院，這個案子應該還在院長手裡。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:23:40.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:23:50.489000+08:00","text":"院長，我記得您上次有特別提到你會支持這個案子，因此今年六塊厝車站的遷移案能不能先動工？","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:23:50.589000+08:00","guess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26-05-12T15:28:12.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:28:51.651000+08:00","text":"第三個，還要再請院長跟次長幫忙，就是屏南觀光鐵道，最近這幾年恆春半島尤其屏南地區的觀光需要再做一些新的刺激，也要做一些新的景點開發，當然過去2017年國發會就已經通過可行性研究，當時的計畫是今年6月就要通車營運，後來很可惜，因為基於財務效益的評估，所以這個案子被擱置了，目前有重啟，院長，這個部分是不是可以針對觀光、交通跟區域平衡的部分，能夠重新再來加快速度？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:28:51.651000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:28:57.020000+08:00","text":"請次長先說明一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T15:28:57.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:29:07.287000+08:00","text":"這一個部分，原則上因為相關的設定環境也有所改變，所以我們會請鐵道局再來看是不是有重啟的可能性。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:29:08.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:29:12.291000+08:00","text":"好，我想這個也要積極來進行，這是恆春半島的期待。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:29:13.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:29:40.610000+08:00","text":"另外，對沿海鄉鎮最重要的就是高捷南延小港到東港、林邊的路線，也特別感謝交通部跟鐵道局的努力，高雄端已經在動工，預定是2034年要完工，但是如果要延伸到東港跟林邊又要花6年，等於到2040年，院長，每一條的時間都很久，怎麼辦？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:29:40.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:29:44.012000+08:00","text":"院長，能不能加快期程？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:29:47.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:29:48.515000+08:00","text":"次長說明一下，期程能不能加快？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T15:29:50.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:30:30.206000+08:00","text":"我們了解委員一直很心切希望所有的計畫都能夠儘速辦理，但是每個計畫的推動都還是有一定的程序要審核，剛才特別提到高雄捷運延伸到東港或林邊的部分，目前幾個事項尚待釐清，譬如說系統形式的選擇或路線經過林園石化工業區等議題尚待釐清，這部分我們會協助屏東縣政府儘速把問題釐清以後，來進入可行性審查。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:30:30.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:30:41.778000+08:00","text":"我想屏東縣周縣長跟他的團隊都會全力配合，當然也希望中央要加快，跟高雄溝通能夠更順暢，儘快動工。是。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:30:42.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:31:22.351000+08:00","text":"下一張投影片是高屏二快，院長，你有在照片裡面，我記得這是去年9月您到屏東來視察這個案子的進度，當時我們有特別請院長裁示加快期程，院長也知道這個是過去從高鐵左營站要橫跨國道1號、國道10號，甚至國道3號到九如系統，高屏交通路網很重要的一個環節，當時我記得院長也裁示今年6月要動工，院長，這個期程有改變嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:31:22.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:31:38.533000+08:00","text":"我當時希望2026年一定要開始動工，很謝謝交通部，這是去年9月開始，他們力拼、努力在今年9月動工，我想這個進度應該可以吧？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T15:31:38.533000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:31:39.533000+08:00","text":"是，可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:31:38.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:31:39.714000+08:00","text":"今年9月來動工。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:31:40.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:31:40.976000+08:00","text":"一定要動工。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:31:41.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:31:41.937000+08:00","text":"今年9月。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T15:31:42.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:31:54.149000+08:00","text":"就優先的路段，就是跟台三線交會處設一個交流道那個路段，大概有1公里，這我們會優先動工。","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:31:54.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:32:06.519000+08:00","text":"因為現在左營到屏東交通壅塞情形非常非常嚴重，尤其88這邊都非常嚴重，這條路趕快通車之後，可以改善高屏地區很壅塞的交通問題，我想這個要加快進行。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:32:07.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:32:12.543000+08:00","text":"對，它會分3個段、7個標，會選擇優先的一個標在今年9月動工。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:32:13.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:32:16.526000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長，我們期待9月份在屏東見。努力。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:32:18.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:32:59.219000+08:00","text":"另外一個也是我們屏東鄉親迫切期盼的屏南快速道路，上個月跟交通部陳部長針對枋寮外環道動工，這個也是我們屏南快速道路宣示的一個程序，目前規劃預定在2032年動工，也感謝陳金德政委溝通協調，期程可望再縮短，但是我想這個部分一定還是要環評分段施工，即使綜合規劃能夠加快期程，這個一樣也要到2037年，院長，不會太久嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:33:00.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:33:01.102000+08:00","text":"能不能再加快？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:33:02.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:33:08.967000+08:00","text":"這個對恆春半島來講是一條救命的道路，也是交通運輸、觀光發展很重要的一條道路，能不能加快期程？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:33:09.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:33:35.128000+08:00","text":"現在進行完一階環評，還要進行二階環評，這個時間一定要拉出來，建設計畫我們在119年要核定目標加速辦理，預計是在核定之後7年能夠通車，所以算起來是126年沒有錯，是2037年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:33:36.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:33:37.069000+08:00","text":"院長，每一條都很久。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T15:33:38.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:33:40.051000+08:00","text":"會啦，都會到啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-05-12T15:33:40.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T15:33:42.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3）動輒數兆tokens，差距達數千倍以上；更關鍵的是，語料來源高度集中於政府公文體系。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:39:36.935714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:39:49.507143+08:00","text":"這代表台灣所謂的「主權AI」，實際上可能只是在公文語境中進行語言擬真，而非反映臺灣社會的文化結構。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:39:49.807143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:40:02.378571+08:00","text":"(主權AI是一個國家利用自身的基礎設施、數據、人才與商業網絡，產出符合本國核心價值的人工智慧能力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:40:02.678571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:40:21.250000+08:00","text":"這不僅是為了在經濟競爭力上取得領先，更是為了確保在如氣候變遷、少子化以及面臨地緣政治威脅等重大挑戰時，臺灣能擁有自主決策與應對的技術能力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:40:21.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:40:29.550000+08:00","text":"(台灣是一個豐富多元的國家，我們的主權AI也應該反映這項特質。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:40:29.850000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:40:39.278571+08:00","text":"針對語料結構庫的多樣性，以及各種語料的占比，數位部應有所評估與加強規劃。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:40:39.578571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:40:47.864286+08:00","text":"(針對AI訓練所需的海量資料，主戰場在於受著作權保護的民間著作。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:40:48.164286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:41:07.307143+08:00","text":"數發部已於114年8月提出「促進資料創新利用發展條例」草案，這項草案的核心在於建立「開放資料」與「共享資料」的法律基礎，並引進「資料利他」概念，鼓勵民間無償提供資料。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:41:07.607143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:41:20.178571+08:00","text":"(目前臺灣主權AI的訓練語料授權條款，僅適用於政府釋出的資料，對於民間高品質著作的授權機制為何？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:41:20.478571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:41:27.621429+08:00","text":"是否只能依賴「資料利他」這種缺乏強制力與誘因的道德勸說？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:41:27.921429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:41:38.207143+08:00","text":"(《人工智慧基本法》業已通過，但對於主權語料的智財權保護機制目前似乎仍缺乏強制性。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員李昆澤書面質詢","start":"2026-05-12T15:41:38.507143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:41:47.078571+08:00","text":"面對境外模型透過爬蟲抓取台灣資料，數發部應有具體防禦或追訴機制。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-12T15:41:47.378571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T15:41:50.521429+08:00","text":"下一位請邱鎮軍委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}