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:"報告委員，可以，我們這個月可以把它做一個分析，然後跟委員回報。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:04.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:04.915000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬次長士元","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:04.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:05.215000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:13.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:14.409000+08:00","text":"部長，你要補充嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:17.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:19.974000+08:00","text":"是不是一個月可以把這個分析報告做出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:19.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:21.396000+08:00","text":"到底未來怎麼做的政策……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:21.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:35.729000+08:00","text":"報告委員，分析報告不會只有落在內政部，剛剛有提到，包括主管買賣器材的經濟部或者是交通部、NCC，這個部分我們會從行政院那邊，請院裡頭將交辦的事項全部整合一個這樣的分析報告，提供委員參考。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:36.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:36.730000+08:00","text":"有沒有大概預計的時程？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:38.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:44.475000+08:00","text":"目前為止，如果是分析報告部分的話，目前的現象到底在什麼地方，當然是沒有太大問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:44.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:47.957000+08:00","text":"是不是一個月先把分析報告……你們到底要針對哪一些……","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:48.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:54.782000+08:00","text":"但是主責機關不能只有內政部，所以我不敢跟委員提……我們事後去問一下，然後馬上跟委員報告，好嗎？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:55.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:28:55.322000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:28:57.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:29:25.807000+08:00","text":"第二個問題就是大家之前在去年、前年，針對不管是保二在中州科技大學進行民防訓練，或是未來可能會在中州科技大學成立民防訓練的場地，我們可以看到在115年其實內政部編列了非常高的預算，三億兩千多萬的整修經費，可是現在第二期有關於民防整修的標案在114年連續3次流標。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:29:25.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:29:33.491000+08:00","text":"我想要請教部長跟現在負責的官員，這樣會不會影響到我們現在所謂的全社會防衛韌性？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:29:34.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:29:40.054000+08:00","text":"對於把民防替代役跟防災士大家集合起來一起訓練的時程會不會有相關的影響？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:29:40.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:29:41.015000+08:00","text":"內政部有什麼樣的因應？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:29:42.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:29:45.436000+08:00","text":"關於工程進度，我請我們役政司的沈司長跟您報告。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:29:45.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:29:54.698000+08:00","text":"另外，有關於全社會防衛韌性跟民防訓練的部分，其實每個縣市地方政府，或者是我們現在在成功嶺都有按照原來的進度在執行。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:29:54.698000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T09:29:55.698000+08:00","text":"我了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:29:54.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:29:57.579000+08:00","text":"你們未來要去做這個場地，就是想要把大家集中起來訓練嗎？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:29:58.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:00.400000+08:00","text":"這個是在前期，就是報到的時候。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:00.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:03.161000+08:00","text":"我是不是請沈司長跟您講一下現在的工程進度，好嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:03.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:04.661000+08:00","text":"好，司長是不是可以儘快？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:05.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:06.161000+08:00","text":"為什麼流標3次？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:06.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:07.522000+08:00","text":"你未來有沒有什麼改善計畫？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:08.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:13.724000+08:00","text":"我們第一期的工程是分兩標，第一標我們有順利招標。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:13.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:15.504000+08:00","text":"我說的是第二期跟民防相關的。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:15.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:18.826000+08:00","text":"我們的第一期都還超前，至於第二期則因為我們當時……","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:18.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:19.926000+08:00","text":"現在有進度嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:19.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:20.746000+08:00","text":"是不是都流標？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:20.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:21.867000+08:00","text":"進度是零嘛，對不對？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:21.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:22.587000+08:00","text":"那你如何改善？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:23.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:38.814000+08:00","text":"我們就是因為有去檢討當初編的標準比較低，招了3次都流標，所以我們要修正這個標準的金額，要把它提高，以符合目前市場的標準。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:39.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:43.397000+08:00","text":"因為這幾年物價的波動很大，我們在檢討的時候順便會……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:43.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:45.638000+08:00","text":"謝謝，大概什麼時候會檢討完畢？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:45.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:48.100000+08:00","text":"我們目前已經在檢討，準備要報行政院了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:48.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:50.121000+08:00","text":"好，大概預計是什麼時候？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:51.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:52.483000+08:00","text":"我們希望今年行政院能夠順利通過。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:52.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:53.583000+08:00","text":"今年年底前嗎？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:53.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:54.624000+08:00","text":"好，年底前，希望不要再流標了，謝謝。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:54.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:54.644000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:54.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:30:54.844000+08:00","text":"再有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:30:59.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:31:09.594000+08:00","text":"部長，針對替代役男體位的修正標準，我想大概是全民都在緊張、在擔心的。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:31:10.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:31:25.867000+08:00","text":"我們都知道，體位的標準是在判斷到底是誰要當兵、誰要當替代役，過去都是國防部軍醫局在主管的，相信現在內政部要調整這樣的內容，我想也是有調整的空間。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:31:26.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:31:41.262000+08:00","text":"本來今年4月你們就要把這個規定給上路的，可是到現在為止，不管是不是受到民間民團強烈抗議而沒有辦法被採納，以致到現在都還沒有一個制度的標準可公布。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:31:41.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:31:46.545000+08:00","text":"請教部長，到底你們現在的改善方向在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:31:46.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:31:47.966000+08:00","text":"到底BMI要提高到多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:31:48.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:31:49.067000+08:00","text":"身高要提高到多少？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:31:49.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:31:50.447000+08:00","text":"什麼樣的情況？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:31:50.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:31:55.870000+08:00","text":"要把這整個標準給提供出來，不然的話很多現在要當兵的人心理壓力會很大。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:31:56.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:06.595000+08:00","text":"未來你們改了這個標準以後，在整個軍隊的執行上，會不會造成有些人進去，會因為身體的狀況不好被歧視而造成管理上的困難？","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:06.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:06.655000+08:00","text":"請部長回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:08.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:11.817000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個部分當然是內政部跟國防部要共同訂定的。沒錯。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:13.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:20.881000+08:00","text":"如果某些役男會緊張或者是不安的話，其實我們都知道，公告就是按照公告的日期以後才開始算。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:21.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:26.023000+08:00","text":"我們怎麼處理有關共識不強的部分，我請沈司長很快地跟您回應一下。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:26.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:28.544000+08:00","text":"好，是不是簡短回答？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:28.544000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:29.544000+08:00","text":"因為時間的關係。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:28.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:29.904000+08:00","text":"不過這是所有役男都在聽的，不要把問題給轉向了。是。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:33.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:40.710000+08:00","text":"我們目前跟民團等相關的團體，包括醫學中心，都已經整合出意見了，現在我們……","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:40.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:42.671000+08:00","text":"可不可以簡單講，BMI到底要到多少？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:42.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:43.991000+08:00","text":"身高有沒有調整？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:44.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:45.212000+08:00","text":"還是就像剛剛你提供的……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:47.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:53.656000+08:00","text":"BMI的部分，BMI 45以上的是免役，下限的部分目前是定在BMI 14，這個還在跟國防部協商。","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:53.656000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T09:32:57.207500+08:00","text":"就是指過瘦嗎？","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:32:57.207500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:00.759000+08:00","text":"對，瘦的部分是14，這個部分我們現在在整合意見。","quality":0.263},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:00.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:03.260000+08:00","text":"另外一個，你剛剛說BMI過多少才可以……45。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:05.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:06.301000+08:00","text":"45是免役，那替代役呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:06.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:07.541000+08:00","text":"替代役的部分是32。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:09.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:10.702000+08:00","text":"還是跟原本的條件一致？對。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:11.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:15.883000+08:00","text":"所以你們討論那麼久，從4月結束到現在6月沒有改變也沒有改善，民團還是在抗議啊！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:16.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:16.943000+08:00","text":"不只是BMI的部分。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:16.943000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:17.943000+08:00","text":"所以還是在抗議啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:17.943000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:18.943000+08:00","text":"那身高呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:17.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:17.343000+08:00","text":"身高有調整嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:20.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:26.712000+08:00","text":"BMI的部分，本來我們希望是沒有下限，但是我們也尊重……","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:26.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:27.313000+08:00","text":"什麼叫沒有下限？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:29.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:34.583000+08:00","text":"我們在85年的時候，BMI部分的身高、體重也曾經不設為區分役男體位的認定標準。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:37.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:40.029000+08:00","text":"時間的關係，我還是要拜託你們趕快去討論。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:40.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:41.090000+08:00","text":"你們未來什麼時候要公布？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:41.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:44.432000+08:00","text":"希望公布的結果不要沒有下限。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:45.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:50.057000+08:00","text":"我們已經整合好意見了，我們有一個發布的作業期程，會跟國防部密切聯繫。","quality":0.548},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:50.057000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:51.057000+08:00","text":"預計什麼時候會公布？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:50.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:52.219000+08:00","text":"你這邊決定好了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈司長哲芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:52.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:55.522000+08:00","text":"我們希望能夠在6月中旬以前。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:56.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:33:57.924000+08:00","text":"好，希望趕快跟社會溝通。是。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:33:59.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:34:03.289000+08:00","text":"對於剛剛的回應，我覺得還是要再多做考量，謝謝你。謝謝。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:34:03.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:34:03.989000+08:00","text":"再有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:34:05.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:34:19.128000+08:00","text":"部長，因為時間的關係，最後一題相信是等一下委員會討論時非常重要的重點之一，就是有關臺灣未來建立數位身分證的期程，這個非常重要。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:34:19.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:34:21.209000+08:00","text":"為什麼我要跟部長報告這件事情呢？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:34:21.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:34:39.649000+08:00","text":"因為在114年12月我國友邦──聖克里斯多福，發了一個新聞稿，最新的資訊是，臺灣已經成功協助友邦建置數位身分證系統，而且完成軟硬體的安裝並移交設備。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:34:40.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:34:50.843000+08:00","text":"顧名思義，臺灣建置數位身分證的技術已經成熟，而且有世界頂尖的技術，在技術的執行上絕對沒有問題。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:34:50.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:35:04.118000+08:00","text":"可是反觀我們臺灣，從109年行政院核定編列預算到今（115）年，我們已經花了大概超過10億的預算，但都還在研議、研商的階段。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:35:04.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:35:08.102000+08:00","text":"我想要請教，為何我們臺灣的速度這麼緩慢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:35:08.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:35:18.210000+08:00","text":"我們臺灣有關數位身分證的資訊都已經發展到、成熟到可以外銷、推廣到國際上了，結果我們在臺灣卻還處於牛步的階段。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:35:19.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:35:24.474000+08:00","text":"我必須要說，臺灣現在的詐騙那麼橫行，我們還不能使用數位身分證的原因是什麼？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:35:24.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:35:32.218000+08:00","text":"我的意思是，我們現在每年編列預算給內政部使用，你們的期程到底有沒有往前推進一步？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:35:32.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:35:39.701000+08:00","text":"你們到底有沒有跟社會溝通，降低過去對資安的疑慮，而不是一直拿著人民的納稅錢去使用？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:35:40.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:35:43.083000+08:00","text":"是不是可以請部長或是官員協助回答？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:35:43.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:35:43.923000+08:00","text":"謝謝張委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:35:43.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:35:54.689000+08:00","text":"這要分兩個部分，有關原來新式身分證暫緩的部分也是經大院同意的，目前我們的使用經費是10.96億，委員應該非常清楚。沒錯。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:35:55.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:35:59.792000+08:00","text":"未來數位身分證到底有沒有再繼續推動下去的空間？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:35:59.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:36:00.112000+08:00","text":"當然是有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:36:00.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:36:27.375000+08:00","text":"可是大家也都知道，臺灣在資安問題的處理上當然是全球頂尖的，可是數位身分證會涉及到個資的部分，還會涉及到現在行政院個資委員會成立之後，如果沒有辦法把這個架接得非常清楚，再加上臺灣在處理數位身分證上對資安、駭客的問題沒有整理得非常好的話，恐怕純粹只用技術問題來解決數位身分證，大家的共識性不會很強。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:36:27.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:36:35.482000+08:00","text":"行政院當然也有要求我們要檢討，這個部分我們會繼續檢討，等到資安問題可以告一段落，它在機制上可以處理得很好的時候，我們當然就一定會推動。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T09:36:35.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:36:38.764000+08:00","text":"同時也謝謝張委員，對於詐騙的部分在臺灣橫行，我們在處理反詐騙上當然是有成果，可是大家也都知道，詐騙集團到目前為止在那麼橫行的狀況之下，跟身分證件不一定絕對正相關，對此我們都有列入共同檢討的空間。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:36:55.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:36:55.917000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:36:55.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:37:13.561000+08:00","text":"身分證只是詐騙集團用來使用詐騙手段的其中之一，比如賣身分證、盜用資料去開人頭帳戶等等，相信部長也都非常清楚，所以我希望政府要把很多事情從源頭改善，其實使用數位身分證在政府的領導之下是一個很好的方式。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-18T09:37:14.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:37:22.923000+08:00","text":"當然行政院個資委員會要成立的時候我們也會去敦促，拜託部長和各位委員，大家不分黨派一起來推動。以上。謝謝。","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-18T09:37:24.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T09:37:24.581000+08:00","text":"謝謝張智倫委員。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-18T09:37:25.081000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T09:37:28.795286+08:00","text":"接下來我們請王鴻薇委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}