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像我以老宅延壽來講的話其實它整個額度都沒有變我們本來就是老宅延壽編50億嘛特別預算那我們是希望說在這個計畫裡面地方編配合款那配合款會讓整個總預算這個部分會增加老宅延壽的特性是這樣那另外就是說我們自己編我們自己的這一些剛剛提到的生活圈我再問你更具體的"},{"start":439.16,"end":448.647,"text":"國貿社區有沒有機會另外用一個專案來進入類似老骰延壽的一個專案,有沒有在研議?國貿社區的外強脫落這個問題很久了對,這個議座有提到齁,我們大概"},{"start":457.205,"end":475.318,"text":"我們會有一個專案這個部分就是都市更新整建維護,這個計畫我們也有在評估看怎麼樣去協助很好很好,我剛剛也有看到你這個新興計畫裡面有一個都市更新計畫裡面有多了50億的預算我希望來做這個包含國貿社區的這個研議好嗎?對,有在研議好,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T09:59:59.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:00:00.610000+08:00","text":"謝謝，有請劉部長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-18T10:00:00.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:00:00.610000+08:00","text":"請部長。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T10:00:07.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:00:07.252000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:00:07.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:00:12.554000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長剛剛清楚說明「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例」的目的。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:00:14.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:00:20.876000+08:00","text":"我的版本是鑑於目前4年快到期了，所以提案延長到6年，但是也不能無終止地延長。","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:00:21.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:01:03.036000+08:00","text":"請部長簡要說明之外，今天我排審的是預算，現在已經是115年5月下旬了，今年度的預算現在才開始排審，其實我個人也是非常焦急，因為它牽涉到非常多的新興計畫，裡面包含1.59億無人機及訓練，以及桃園機場第三航廈移民署相關配合的預算能不能趕上交通部的規劃，希望今天可以順利審議並且通過。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:01:03.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:01:03.156000+08:00","text":"部長，請你簡單回應以上兩個問題。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T10:01:07.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:01:25.027000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心，尤其是無人機的部分確實沒有錯，其實在過去一段時間裡面，內政部所屬相關單位，包括警政或者消防單位，已經在大量使用無人機，它對於我們在治安或者是消防安全上面的幫助非常大。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T10:01:26.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:01:46.138000+08:00","text":"因為新興預算需要大院審查通過才能夠使用，現在才審查115年預算，對我們編列無人機採購跟操作員的相關預算確實是有影響，所以我們很希望在大院審查的時候可以趕快通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T10:01:46.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:01:53.082000+08:00","text":"尤其除了剛剛提到跟警政、消防相關之外，我們還有另外一個非常重要的是地政司在處理有關國土或者國家底圖的部分，也必須要運用大量的無人機，才能夠將新興計畫裡面跟我們國家整體土地管理資訊弄得很好。","quality":0.371},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T10:01:53.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:02:16.772000+08:00","text":"同時，我們在處理無人機產業的過程當中，也要訓練有證照的操作員，它不是一個電子遊戲，看起來像電子遊戲，但不是這個樣子……","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:02:17.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:02:38.899000+08:00","text":"所以我必須很遺憾地說，之前協商，在野黨對於先行動支的718億裡面，看到無人機就開槍、看到無人機就要擋這件事情，我感到非常不解跟疑惑之外，也讓部長可以充分地清楚說明無人機新興項目內容是什麼，剛剛部長的說明非常清楚。謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:02:38.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:02:38.919000+08:00","text":"部長繼續……","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T10:02:38.919000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T10:02:40.349500+08:00","text":"對不起。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:02:40.349500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T10:02:41.780000+08:00","text":"剛剛搶你的話了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T10:02:41.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:02:45.182000+08:00","text":"我們現在在115年的預算裡面，無人機的經費編列雖然不多，預劃是要採購289架的無人機來輔助做業務上面或教育訓練使用，這個當然是非常重要。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T10:02:45.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:02:46.382000+08:00","text":"剛剛跟委員報告的部分，在內政部裡面它就是在應用端……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:03:08.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:03:13.553000+08:00","text":"部長，我請問你這289架裡面，大部分會是國製嗎？還是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T10:03:15.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:03:28.876000+08:00","text":"以我們在內政部，不管是消防、警政或者是地政，因為都是屬於A級資安機構，所以一定要國產以外，還要加入非紅供應鏈跟非紅產業鏈。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:03:28.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:03:29.796000+08:00","text":"所以這對國產產業鏈來講，也是非常重要。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-05-18T10:03:29.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:03:30.456000+08:00","text":"非常重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:03:34.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:03:38.018000+08:00","text":"所以請在野黨不要看到無人機就開槍、就擋。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:03:38.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:03:39.559000+08:00","text":"部長請回座，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:03:39.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:03:48.183000+08:00","text":"我請國土署蔡署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:03:48.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:04:00.147000+08:00","text":"署長，今年度的預算，我剛剛看得很清楚，國土署減列非常多，你可以說明一下嗎？","quality":0.906},{"speake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05-18T10:07:10.198000+08:00","text":"另外，我們自己編我們自己剛剛提到的生活圈……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:07:10.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:07:19.384000+08:00","text":"我再問你更具體的，果貿社區有沒有機會另外用一個專案進入類似老宅延壽的專案？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:07:19.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:07:20.165000+08:00","text":"有沒有在研議？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:07:20.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:07:22.046000+08:00","text":"果貿社區外牆脫落的問題很久了，有沒有辦法解決？","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-18T10:07:22.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:07:38.330000+08:00","text":"對，這個議座有提到，我們會有一個專案的部分，就是都市更新整建維護，這個計畫我們也有在評估，看怎麼樣去協助……","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:07:38.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:07:48.577000+08:00","text":"很好、很好，我剛剛也有看到你們新興計畫裡面，在都市更新計畫有多了50億的預算，我希望做包含果貿社區的研議，好嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-18T10:07:48.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:07:49.298000+08:00","text":"對，有在研議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-05-18T10:07:49.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-18T10:07:49.318000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-18T10:07:49.818000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T10:07:51.818000+08:00","text":"感謝李柏毅召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-18T10:07:52.118000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-18T10:07:54.403714+08:00","text":"請張宏陸委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}