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謝謝你們的信任我們沒有那麼多的時間我們還有其他的問題待會審預算的時候一併來告訴我好不好"},{"start":224.838,"end":237.153,"text":"來 繼續 就是呢部長 我們去年推動修正的地方制度法第83條之七其實目的很簡單就是在3D箱裡面它升格為直轄室我們叫做3D區"},{"start":238.695,"end":256.111,"text":"我們最近確實看到是有增加比如說烏來增加了六千萬復興區增加了八千萬和平區增加了六百萬茂林區增加了一千萬桃園區增加三千萬哪麽夏增加兩千萬通通合計起來是兩億"},{"start":256.932,"end":274.171,"text":"我想要在這邊請問一下部長增加的這2億是因為財政修正法修法通過還是地方自治法第83條之去修正之後給的地方的預算我是不是請市長跟您回應一下好不好來 市長"},{"start":275.27,"end":286.581,"text":"因為有關那個涉及到修法前後的請您速度快一點好不好因為查爾領教是屬於財政部的一個全責財政部好像也有提供資料給委員這邊"},{"start":287.932,"end":313.09,"text":"那針對地方在修法之後的作為我們已經請那個地方把相關這個修法之後的請問你們去監督機關對吧是我們在去今天就要審理預算了今天之前都沒有辦法提供給我我們在去年的時候也已經兩度詢問給地方政府在修法之後所以你意思是說地方政府不提供給你他們正在做那如果繼續"},{"start":314.151,"end":328.099,"text":"對不起 市長 部長您聽聽看沒有道理吧這是去年已經通過的案子了然後呢 我今天就要審理預算了然後你告訴我說地方政府還沒有給你資料請問我待會怎麼審理預算我是要通過你的預算呢還是要繼續凍結你的預算呢還是要做什麼組決議呢市長好 請你不要再說明了 謝謝"},{"start":336.084,"end":363.076,"text":"部長 以上幾個問題你看它不是最近才發生的問題是去年省預算的時候都知道的問題好 繼續我要問一下國土署國土署裡面我們看到建築法第99條之一的原鄉建築制度性的簡化的問題請問一下各縣市進度到底怎麼樣有沒有參照我們所謂的新竹跟台中的這麼好的案例在其他的縣市也比較辦理"},{"start":365.545,"end":393.718,"text":"簡短回答 謝謝那目前我們清查的部分高雄市這邊還沒有做完整的一些困難點是什麼 什麼時候會好我們有去問過 因為他們目前修法的進度就是有一些議員有意見那目前還在修正當中 但是他內容比較比較沒有像新竹這麼樣的一個有彈性所以我們現在也在跟高雄市政府在溝通是不是比照那個新竹好 什麼時候能夠溝通 今天要審理預算嗎"},{"start":395.718,"end":415.64,"text":"我們其實那一天就有跟他溝通了我們有跟高雄市政府公務局長溝通已經有溝通了那因為他還要再送議會還有相關的程序部長以前陳居是高雄市政府的副市長那如果你這裡公務不了是不是請我們的部長能夠去溝通一下好不好好 謝謝最後我要關心的是都會區原住民的居住權"},{"start":416.881,"end":443.989,"text":"也是今年住宅法已經修正的時候呢我有提出一個附帶決議當時我要求國土署跟園民會你們一定要協商來參照這個參見的方式換取一定的提高的比例來給原住民的成住戶其實簡單一講起來就是我們的社宅應該要有更多的原住民戶數請問一下部長你們有按照我的附帶決議來進行嗎"},{"start":446.909,"end":475.619,"text":"好謝謝跟委員報告這個部分有照那個委員的這個要求我們有跟那個原民會等等的開過會那這個目前也有照計畫原民會他也有要規劃參見哪一些地方那目前有哪幾個地方桃園跟新北已經有一個有一些案件要參見所以您的意思說桃園跟新北這兩個這個直轄市他都有提出計畫是不是"},{"start":476.178,"end":493.954,"text":"就是經過園民會這邊評估是園民會評估的對這兩個地方你知道為什麼園民會評估這兩個地方嗎我們提供這個位置給園民會評估好那您知道桃園市政府呢桃園市是現在全台灣最高比例的原住民的人口數您知道嗎"},{"start":496.215,"end":523.349,"text":"不知道那您知道現在我現在提醒您如果原民會他提供了這兩個本席的建議應該以原住民人口數最多的地方這是第一點第二點應該要以這個縣市政府的首長或者是議員他們有沒有積極的配合如果原民會一直期待兩個這兩個都沒有積極配合或者是桃園市比較積極配合但是原民會不想有沒有可能就不願意了呢有沒有可能這樣子呢"},{"start":526.733,"end":548.095,"text":"我們這個部分在整個那個住宅政策裡面還是會盡量去協助溝通好不好我希望我們真的希望有幾個原則性第一個就是原住民人口數最多的因為這畢竟是解決都會原住民的住的問題對吧第二個就是要以這個縣市政府他到底他的積極度如何"},{"start":549.093,"end":566.585,"text":"那如果就我目前了解桃園市政府的議員桃園市政府他也非常願意積極配合所以呢我們是不是可以一起派會堪我們去看看如果大家都認為都可以的話我們就趕快讓這件事情上路好嗎"},{"start":567.586,"end":592.683,"text":"好 謝謝今天要審你們預算希望待會在審預算的時候能夠好好的把一些數據提供給我我希望審預算之前能夠解決要不然我又要等明年了我們的族人的權益不能夠等到明年尤其是部長尤其是殯葬事業我們往生者他不能夠永遠沒有地方讓他安息啊對吧好 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}