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影響民眾黨團對於我們提出的國防特別預算裡面這樣子的一個7800億的一個版本"},{"start":450.647,"end":474.807,"text":"被砍了4700億的這件事情盧市長沒有說話默不作聲甚至還說了一句先等川習會那等了川習會之後到現在也沒有支持我們行政院的一個國防特別預算第一個盧市長扼殺了台中產業轉型升級的機會跟活水那來現在的主席我們"},{"start":475.988,"end":501.336,"text":"坐在上面的江啟臣副院長5月3號來跟他媒體說這個是什麼草野新政不足什麼過度包裹成什麼關鍵這個講這個話呢完全迴避了表態道理支不支持台灣的國防台中的產業轉型升級5月8號也完全不作聲也不表態甚至呢在我們"},{"start":502.516,"end":530.344,"text":"當下在表決這一個國防特別條例的一個當下在立法院的院會江啟臣也沒有出現也沒有表決沒有表態事後呢我說真的啦大家看在眼裡啦就是心虛嘛就是閃躲嘛那所以呢也是國民黨的立委江啟臣還有其他國民黨台中的立委扼殺了台中產業的轉型升級的機會跟活水"},{"start":531.28,"end":547.876,"text":"院長我要講這件事是因為我真的是覺得非常心痛非常遺憾所以呢既然已經被砍了但是我要為台中的產業轉型升級說話我要為台中的智慧製造新核心要找出一股新力量跟一股活水"},{"start":548.416,"end":565.716,"text":"所以我還是要積極的來請教卓院長那您有提出對媒體說過要提三個方案解套那一個呢再提特別條例一個追加預算一個叫做擴大年度預算規模那請教一下院長是哪一項那何時要決定"},{"start":567.058,"end":594.531,"text":"謝謝委員 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三倍甚至無數倍的一個倍數的一個發展跟商機它甚至牽涉到的是我們的研發能力產業轉型升級的能量這牽涉到我台中"},{"start":718.979,"end":743.721,"text":"我的這個智慧製造傳統產業中小企業能否在政府的引領之下可以跟著產業升級轉型我可以跟上在飛鴻的這個供應鏈裡面我可以開拓一個生機我可以開拓另外一個賺這個外銷的一個機會而且呢這個機會是無限大是的"},{"start":745.39,"end":774.599,"text":"跟委員報告我說補救的不是數字預算本身而是有四項第一個就是我們國防的需求國防自主產業的需求第二個是我們對於民主供應鏈被需求的這樣一個未來的產量第三個是國際間的合作跟信賴第四個是我們有機會發展我們本土的軍工自主產業的發展這是一個天宰難逢的機會不僅是台中從中部地區然後其他各縣市包括新北都有我們的相關的產業都必須要串聯起來"},{"start":776.075,"end":799.034,"text":"所以我要跟院長拜託也要跟院長請求這個台中產業轉型我剛剛一直在講的我們要升級那雙軸心的一個佈局行政院確實有提出一個無人載具的產業發展的一個計畫但我就是要告訴院長我剛剛講了好多次台中就是無人機的智慧製造中心"},{"start":800.683,"end":819.325,"text":"所有的無人機現況 改天我帶卓院長再來台中看一次中部叫做智慧製造 南部叫做研發驗證所以中部以現階段來看 台中有非常完整的無人機載具"},{"start":821.167,"end":833.757,"text":"林組建、智慧製造等等台中本身就是一個新核心就是一個智慧製造的一個中心這個我想經濟部龔明星、龔部長應該知道吧市長"},{"start":834.807,"end":864.01,"text":"我們進一步有無人機的發展統籌期計畫在推動但是還是蠻可惜的因為我去拜訪中部的這些無人機廠商的時候事實上他們很期待國防部他們的試商跟他們的驗證因為通過國防部的驗證跟試商他們的能力會提升起來砍入國際的供應鏈 飛鴻供應鏈事實上是幫助非常大的是非常重要的對 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