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0萬人就夠了嗎？","quality":0.726},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:51:43.032000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:51:45.453000+08:00","text":"你來回答一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:51:45.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:12.945000+08:00","text":"委員，並不是的，這個文字的寫法可能會造成誤解，事實上，我們是再把我們的深耕計畫也就是臺灣的華語文做一個品牌特色，在國際行銷，以600萬區區不到20萬、只有18萬美金的狀況，要在海外進行各種宣傳，老實講是遠遠不夠的，所以我們僅僅只能選擇非常少的，透過數位網路的方式來進行，主流媒體是完全都放棄了，就僅謹鎖定一些已經有建立華語文中心的國家來進行投放，所以我們是有效地進行投放的方式。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:13.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:13.486000+08:00","text":"因為你們是全球的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:33.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:39.465000+08:00","text":"但是委員，截至目前為止，現在華語文中心只有設在17個國家，所以我們不會隨便亂撒，我們是有效地投放。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:40.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:40.526000+08:00","text":"你們的標準是不是太低了？沒有。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:40.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:41.167000+08:00","text":"以一年600萬所核評的點數裡面，10萬人次……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:51.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:22.423000+08:00","text":"不是，委員，你可能誤會了，這個是指一支，不是全部加起來是10萬人次的概念，不是這個意思，只是在網站的最低標，我們有一個網站，網站的最低標一定要擴這個，其他如果是請網紅拍的短影音，都是十幾萬、十幾萬一支影片而已，這種都不是算在10萬以內，這個還是額外的。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:22.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:24.524000+08:00","text":"為什麼會有一點疑慮？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:24.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:44.636000+08:00","text":"因為我查了資料，舉一個例子顯示網站瀏覽數達到10萬人次到底有多微不足道的原因，一般的商業廣告投放，只要廣告受眾、關鍵字設定沒問題，單次點擊成本大約只要1.3元。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:44.636000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:45.636000+08:00","text":"我知道，因為現在有很多是假的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:44.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:54.500000+08:00","text":"換算下來，僑委會只要花30萬，不到一個月，後臺就能達到10萬次點閱。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:54.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:56.140000+08:00","text":"委員，我們不會買這種的，我們要的都是實體的，那種機器人點閱的，這個都是機器人點閱的，我們不要這一種的。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:56.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:56.640000+08:00","text":"我會檢討你們的預算裡面……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:56.640000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:57.640000+08:00","text":"我們都還會去追蹤這些。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:56.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:57.801000+08:00","text":"600萬的評核標準，你們評核的這麼低，是不是要重新檢討？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:12.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:26.191000+08:00","text":"委員，我剛剛已經解釋過了，10萬僅僅是指那一個網站，就是我們有一個網站平臺，那個網站平臺不是花600萬，那個網站平臺只有好像一百多萬而已。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:26.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:28.072000+08:00","text":"你們的預算書裡面是這樣寫的啊。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:28.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:37.275000+08:00","text":"這是總total，但是網站的最低額度必須是先達到這個，600萬還包括其他所有的項目在內，所以我說這個表達有……","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:37.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:40.596000+08:00","text":"詳細的狀況你再用書面跟我講，好不好？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:40.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:41.277000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:41.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:48.219000+08:00","text":"關於孔子學院這個部分，你們就用書面跟我報告，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:48.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:49.720000+08:00","text":"好的，感謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:50.220000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:53.934286+08:00","text":"接下來請牛煦庭委員上臺質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:54.234286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:57.948571+08:00","text":"（9時55）謝謝主席，有請僑委會委員長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:58.248571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:59.391429+08:00","text":"請委員長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:59.691429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:01.120000+08:00","text":"牛委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:01.420000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:04.277143+08:00","text":"委員長早安，辛苦了！不會！","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:04.577143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:17.148571+08:00","text":"上次在3月18日的質詢，我們針對僑生留臺問題進行討論，會後僑委會很快地提供了資料，這一點表示肯定。謝謝。","quali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5-20T10:02:22.920000+08:00","text":"委員，我們有一個額度的上限，我們根據這個額度上限去編列預算數。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:02:23.220000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:02:54.362857+08:00","text":"沒關係，你就把每一年的額度上限還有相關的實際執行狀況，會後提供一份資料，因為馬上就要審預算，如果你提供的資料不夠完整，沒有辦法說服大家你們有辦法在未來這一年的執行可以百分之百達標，那你們的預算可能就有浮編的嫌疑，我們當然要把關，對不對？。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T10:02:54.662857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:03:00.091429+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在去年（114年）本會預算的執行率是99%。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:03:00.391429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:03:01.391429+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T10:03:01.691429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:03:11.691429+08:00","text":"高達99%，這已經是破紀錄，自中華民國建國以來，本會是唯一一個執行率達到99%的部會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:03:11.991429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:03:20.277143+08:00","text":"我就問你這個專案，請回答我的問題，你們今年的預算增加50%，對不對？是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:03:20.577143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:03:24.005714+08:00","text":"所以你們預定的目標是什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:03:24.305714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:03:31.734286+08:00","text":"你們的執行率是99%，那你就寫清楚，要交代實際的執行細節嘛！會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:03:32.034286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:03:36.034286+08:00","text":"要不然在審查預算的時候，大家又……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T10:03:36.334286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:03:40.905714+08:00","text":"對，我們會提供完整的資料給委員參考。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:03:41.205714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:03:44.348571+08:00","text":"先準備好完整的資料。好的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:03:44.648571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:04:33.791429+08:00","text":"最後還有一點點時間，本席最近有接到民眾的陳情，就是在泰國北部清萊省的山區有一個象苗中文學校，大概是熱血的志工或什麼人在那個偏鄉的村子裡面提供中文的教育，我收到的陳情是這個學校的中文師資看起來滿稀缺的，我有稍微查了一下，過去僑委會有贊助這個學校，比如說中文的教材等等或者曾經幫忙招募志工，看起來跟僑委會之間應該是有一些聯繫，僑委會對這個學校現在遇到的狀況有沒有掌握？","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:04:34.091429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:04:37.805714+08:00","text":"有沒有打算提供什麼樣的協助？","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:04:38.105714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:04:40.105714+08:00","text":"請簡單說明一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T10:04:40.405714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:05:07.548571+08:00","text":"委員，我去年自己有親自跑了一趟清邁地區，之後我們的副委員長也去了一趟清邁、清萊地區，主要都是去關心當地僑校的情形，也掌握到在清邁地區近年來使用我們教材的僑校數確實有在下降，那這個下降的原因也沒有什麼意外……","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:05:07.848571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:05:24.991429+08:00","text":"我沒有問你教材，我剛剛講了，這是本席收到選民的陳情，人家說現在老師不夠了，看僑委會能不能提供合適的協助，你們關心一下這個問題好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T10:05:25.291429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:05:39.005714+08:00","text":"關於我們老師的輔導，就是我剛剛已經講的，一方面他們學生的人數在增加，但是我們國內可以派去的師資真的有限。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:05:39.305714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:05:53.591429+08:00","text":"真的很辛苦，他們在網路上要招募志工，我有稍微查了一下，招募志工時還要特別聲明不是在搞詐騙集團，環境有一點艱困。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T10:05:53.891429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:05:57.034286+08:00","text":"真的很難，而且薪資都很低。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:05:57.334286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:02.191429+08:00","text":"正是因為艱困，所以才需要僑委會幫忙。是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:06:02.491429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:07.634286+08:00","text":"因為我接到這個陳情，所以我想要了解一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T10:06:07.934286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:12.220000+08:00","text":"這個已經是陳年舊案，應該不是新案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:06:12.520000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:21.662857+08:00","text":"那就去了解一下之後，在會後提供可以協助他們的相關措施，總是要有所交代。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T10:06:21.962857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:25.962857+08:00","text":"好的，黃仁委員也很關心這個問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:06:26.262857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:32.262857+08:00","text":"既然已經有連結了，那就要想辦法幫忙，好不好？好的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:06:32.562857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:37.991429+08:00","text":"再請委員長會後提供詳細的相關資料，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-05-20T10:06:38.291429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:40.005714+08:00","text":"好，謝謝牛委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-05-20T10:06:40.305714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:41.734286+08:00","text":"謝謝，辛苦了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T10:06:42.034286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:43.034286+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T10:06:43.334286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:06:47.048571+08:00","text":"接下來請王安祥委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}