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目前張瑩這邊無所稀"},{"start":604.949,"end":624.04,"text":"沒有接到任何訊息,這純粹是媒體這邊傳的,是報派傳的報派,不然你要表態一點,你說不歡迎啊,你要講話啊,你說不歡迎啊,你表態啊我目前做得很好,而且是以小變大,國票金這麼小,要變李彰穎這麼大當初台新進把他被趕走也是這個理由啊"},{"start":635.112,"end":645.064,"text":"目前張宇還是自己做內部成長那對於未來任何可能性我想我們到時候如果有任何可能我們再去做評估"},{"start":650.923,"end":660.028,"text":"委員 我想還是要等國票已經改選以後 讓他強化公司治理所以不排除這個可以嗎 你講真的話沒有所謂的圖利民憑 請委員不要在這邊下這樣的一個定義最後一個小問題 你對於台圖書 我們在這裡講了半天 剛才委員提到"},{"start":673.075,"end":686.945,"text":"提高午餐會 殖民生意補助 員工理財信託都沒有落實 你就一個嘉興那個生地貸多少錢 那個是跟中央政府一樣的 其他通行沒有落實 難怪留不住人才啊請講一下 講一下"},{"start":692.017,"end":692.918,"text":"我們接下來請第四位郭國榮委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:44:47.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:44:49.478000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席以及各位先進。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:44:49.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:44:55.404000+08:00","text":"有請金管會陳副主委及央行嚴副總裁。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:44:55.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:44:56.084000+08:00","text":"請陳副主委、嚴副總裁。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:45:06.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:45:19.026000+08:00","text":"兩位長官，請問一下，我看最近三年累計外資調節超過兆元，我講股市方面，2024年賣超6,900億、2025年賣超5,900億，昨天又匯出16億美金。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:45:19.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:45:20.847000+08:00","text":"央行副總裁要不要講一下，這是不是外資啟動大逃殺？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-05-20T09:45:37.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:45:55.087000+08:00","text":"根據我們過去看到的資料，外資每個月的操作或者是資金匯出，就央行來講，我們觀察的是資金匯出入的情形，它其實每個月的變動還蠻大的，並沒有單向的完全一直在匯出或一直在匯入。對啦！","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:45:55.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:45:56.447000+08:00","text":"但累計就是匯出啊！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:45:57.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:45:59.708000+08:00","text":"累計匯出比較多，我是跟你講這個。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:00.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:04.290000+08:00","text":"目前主要還是反映外資在股市調節的情況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:04.290000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:05.852000+08:00","text":"金管會副主委要不要講一下？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:05.852000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:07.414000+08:00","text":"你們管股市的。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:07.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:14.155000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，外資所有的還是淨匯入，在115年度匯入了442億美金，累計總淨匯入是3,644億美金；至於114年的時候匯入了368億美金，113年是378億美金，而118年……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:36.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:37.060000+08:00","text":"去年匯入多少？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:37.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:37.600000+08:00","text":"去年有368億美金匯入。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:37.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:37.900000+08:00","text":"匯入368億美金？是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:38.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:38.040000+08:00","text":"淨匯入？是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:38.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:38.280000+08:00","text":"我這裡的資料怎麼是賣超5,900億？","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:38.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:40.601000+08:00","text":"因為他們還是有在裡面做一個調節，所以他們有匯出、匯入，但整體而言是淨匯入的。","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:46:40.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:46:45.382000+08:00","text":"昨天匯出16億美金，差不多是500億新臺幣，這是昨天的數字，金管會要不要講一下？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T09:47:05.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:47:21.583000+08:00","text":"我們看一下昨天的數字，如果這樣子累計起來，從3月2號，也就是二二八之後、所謂的美伊事變之後，的確外資在這邊累計的賣超是臺幣七千四百二十……","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:47:21.583000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:47:22.583000+08:00","text":"七千多億嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T09:47:21.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:47:22.224000+08:00","text":"七千多億。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:47:22.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:47:23.224000+08:00","text":"所以他們看壞臺股？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T09:47:23.224000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:47:32.156000+08:00","text":"這倒沒有。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T09:47:32.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:47:38.220000+08:00","text":"以最近來看，其實外資又轉回買入，也就是現在可能是在一個箱型整理啦！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T09:47:39.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:47:57.278000+08:00","text":"前面有一段時候的確是因為調節以及臺股在……其實臺股從去年到現在漲了將近百分之三十八到百分之四十多，所以在這個時間點做一些箱型調整，我想這是外資正常的操作。","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:47:58.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:47:59.763000+08:00","text":"這個是很正常，所以對臺股你不悲觀，是不是？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T09:47:59.763000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:48:02.127000+08:00","text":"金管會不適合對股市做預測，但是以現在的整體基本面，我們的本益比到目前為止，截至4月是29.25倍。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:48:02.127000+08:00","guessed":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事長，目前來說，在國票金的章程裡面，本身就有副董事長這個職位，至於後續他們董事會召開的時候如何選任？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:51:55.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:51:58.151000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們必須要尊重公司治理……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:51:58.151000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:51:59.151000+08:00","text":"那你們就不要介入啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:51:58.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:05.975000+08:00","text":"我想委員剛剛所提的立法院決議，是在於董事跟監察人選任的時候，公股不得支持民股……","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:06.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:18.283000+08:00","text":"我知道，我今天就進一步提案，讓你們的董事不可以去支持民股代表，你們就只能支持自己；或者你不投票，讓他們自己競爭。","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:18.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:27.109000+08:00","text":"華南銀行也是他們自己競爭，你們不要介入，介入就會讓人家覺得這裡面有沒有官商勾結、有沒有圖利的問題。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:28.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:41.879000+08:00","text":"第一個，國票金的部分，並不是屬於財政部的投資事業，財政部也沒有派任董事，而是我們泛公股事業根據相關法律完成提名的，這涉及到公司的治理……對啊！","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:41.879000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:42.879000+08:00","text":"董事長是你們派的，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:42.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:45.021000+08:00","text":"而且泛公股也都是上市公司，我想這個部分必須要回歸……","quality":0.522},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:45.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:55.612000+08:00","text":"董事長你們派了張兆順嘛，不管怎麼樣，你們派我覺得OK，總經理你們派也是OK，如果是你們派或者是你給民股。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:55.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:08.569000+08:00","text":"可是再怎麼樣，投票的時候，你們的董事不能夠去投民間的董事，人家就會說你們掛勾啊、官民掛勾、勾結啊，很難聽喔！","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:08.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:14.312000+08:00","text":"相關的董事是由股東大會選出來的，我想這個部分我們必須要尊重整體的公司治理，我想委員您的……","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:15.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:21.196000+08:00","text":"不是，我是講你的立場，你們官股代表董事的動作。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:22.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:28.540000+08:00","text":"我要寫一個提案，不可以去投不是官股代表的，讓民間自己去投。","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:29.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:37.484000+08:00","text":"我們的立場就是請我們的公股事業對他所推派的董事席次，必須要去強化國票金的公司治理，提升經營績效。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:37.484000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:38.484000+08:00","text":"你這個是講官話啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:38.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:40.245000+08:00","text":"然後我們要確保投資效益以及維護股東權益。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:41.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:45.288000+08:00","text":"你這個是講官話啦，當然他們要問你的意見，一定會問部長的意見啊。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:48.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:00.339000+08:00","text":"我們來看，馬英九、蔡英文總共做了16年，他們都不敢再講二次金改。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:01.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:08.485000+08:00","text":"結果賴總統上任滿兩年就做了，這個是圖利民股耶！","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:08.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:17.351000+08:00","text":"為了國票金合併彰銀，我們覺得好奇怪，當初彰銀才趕走台新金，現在又迎回國票金，彰銀董事長有沒有來？","quality":0.674},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:17.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:20.233000+08:00","text":"跟委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:20.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:21.014000+08:00","text":"彰銀董事長來了沒有？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:22.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:24.156000+08:00","text":"國票金什麼時候合併彰銀了？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:24.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:25.697000+08:00","text":"我們都不知道國票金有合併彰銀啊。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:26.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:28.520000+08:00","text":"請胡董事長。有啊。有嗎？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:28.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:29.740000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們都不知道有這回事。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:31.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:40.909000+08:00","text":"外面不斷地傳，國票金這一次公股介入，就是循著這個模式要併彰銀。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:41.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:43.191000+08:00","text":"彰銀的董事長，你要講個話。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"胡董事長光華","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:43.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:43.431000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"胡董事長光華","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:44.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:45.793000+08:00","text":"目前彰銀這邊無所悉。什麼？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"胡董事長光華","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:48.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:50.090000+08:00","text":"沒有接到任何訊息。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:50.090000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:51.171000+08:00","text":"我今天就告訴你，外傳是這樣子。","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"胡董事長光華","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:51.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:57.334000+08:00","text":"純粹是媒體這邊傳的，報派傳的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:57.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:59.355000+08:00","text":"不是，你要表態，你說不歡迎！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:00.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:06.839000+08:00","text":"你要講話啊，你就不歡迎啊，你表個態啊，說我目前做很好，而且是以小併大，國票金這麼小要併你彰銀這麼大？","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:07.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:08+08:00","text":"當初台新金被趕走也是這個理由。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:08+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:19.112000+08:00","text":"你講個話、你態度講一下，你歡迎不歡迎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"胡董事長光華","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:19.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:29.044000+08:00","text":"目前彰銀還是自己做內部成長，對於未來任何可能性，我想到時候如果有任何可能，我們再去做評估。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:29.044000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:34.923000+08:00","text":"萬一財政部說要……財政部長你講一下，要不要證實？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:34.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:39.646000+08:00","text":"委員，我想還是要等國票金改選以後，讓他強化公司治理，提升經營績效，在後續……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:40.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:41.086000+08:00","text":"所以不排除這個可能？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:41.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:41.487000+08:00","text":"你講這個話很隱諱喔！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:41.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:42.227000+08:00","text":"沒有所謂的圖利民股，請委員不要在這邊下這樣的定義。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:42.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:42.867000+08:00","text":"最後問一個小問題。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:42.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:56:10.705000+08:00","text":"對於臺、土、輸銀，我們在這裡講了老半天，剛才也有委員提到提高午餐費、子女生育補助、員工理財信託，都沒有落實，你就只有加薪、生第一胎補助多少錢，那跟中央政府一樣，其他通通沒有落實，難怪留不住人才。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:56:10.705000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:56:11.705000+08:00","text":"好，這個部分就請部長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:56:10.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:56:10.925000+08:00","text":"不、不、不，請講一下、講一下，其他委員也有提到。","quality":0.389},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T09:56:10.925000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:56:12.622333+08:00","text":"謝謝委員一直以來對我們公股事業福利的重視，對於每胎10萬塊的部分已經完成了，後面的部分我們也報行政院，我們會持續跟院裡面的相關單位……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-20T09:56:12.622333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:56:14.319667+08:00","text":"我現在跟你講，不分朝野，我們絕對會對這個事情繼續追，只要你不落實，我們絕對繼續追。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:56:14.319667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:56:16.017000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝賴委員，我們今天質詢的人比較多，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:56:16.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:56:16.918000+08:00","text":"我們接下來請第四位郭國文委員。","quality":0.929}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}