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sugar，我們再refine，所以品質是非常好的，其他廠商有進口的，他們都是精糖，但是quality就沒有辦法控制，這是很特別的。理解。","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:14.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:45.583000+08:00","text":"我看到一個數字，台糖自產的糖1公噸大概要虧損將近一萬四千五百塊左右，我在想以現在每年自給大概4萬噸的糖來講，我們大概每年會虧損五、六億左右金額，以目前來看，115年度的時候，我們連續幾年整個執行數都是虧損的情況。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:45.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:52:51.687000+08:00","text":"今年編列預算數1.46億，針對砂糖的部分，到年底時有可能可以打平嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:52:52.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:08.638000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在製糖的部分是虧損，但是我們進口crude sugar回來refine，因為品質很好，很受消費者的喜歡，那邊還是可以賺錢的。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:11.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:12.820000+08:00","text":"去年應該是差不多balance了，去年就整個overall的砂糖稅……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:16.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:18.323000+08:00","text":"去年差不多是balance的狀態，是不是？","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:18.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:25.427000+08:00","text":"對，今年希望能夠賺錢，糖也是期貨，我們如果買在高點……理解。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:25.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:30.851000+08:00","text":"不過因為我們看到114年度的狀態，它到8月底的執行數，其實還是虧損將近2億的情況。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:34.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:47.921000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，我覺得沒關係，因為砂糖是一個必需品的狀態，而且我們已經10年都凍漲，基本上是維持民生必需品的狀態，因為我看到的狀態是整個土開的部分，是現在台糖獲利最主要的來源。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:48.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:51.043000+08:00","text":"我想請教新竹市這邊，有沒有台糖的地？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:51.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:53:52.164000+08:00","text":"準備要如何開發？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:53:52.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:09.917000+08:00","text":"有，台糖在這邊的地準備要開發，那時候是說要走都市更新，但是後來標到的廠商跟市政府的意思、做法有點不一樣，最後我們已經要找廠商來都市更新開發，但是找了以後，跟市政府有一點沒有辦法match。","quality":0.488},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:09.917000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:10.951500+08:00","text":"這個部分，請事後再到本辦公室，我們來看怎麼樣跟地方政府溝通，能夠讓整個台糖的資產真的被活化起來。","quality":0.023},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:10.951500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:11.986000+08:00","text":"OK，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:11.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:15.007000+08:00","text":"我接下來想請教一下經濟部部長跟台電。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:41.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:54:53.689000+08:00","text":"首先，因為前幾天又發生一件工安事件，在工安訓練的時候，台電員工發生傷亡的狀況。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:54:55.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:21.847000+08:00","text":"我看到整個台電的勞工安全衛生支出，在112年度大概是3.65億，到115年已經到6.78億，可是我們看到預算數跟決算數是不斷地提升，可是在整個傷亡的事情當中，似乎並沒有真正地下降。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:22.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:23.989000+08:00","text":"針對這部分，台電有沒有一個簡單的說明？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:26.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:37.189000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，第一個，台電發生工安這個事情，不管是我們自己的同仁或是包商，台電都需要自己積極地檢討。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:38.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:55:46.934000+08:00","text":"您剛才提到預算的部分，預算部分有很多是行政管理的工作，包括健檢等等，這都跟員工人數增加有關。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:55:47.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:56:00.923000+08:00","text":"OK，台電供應全臺電力，我們希望員工也能夠得到很好的保障，以及台電的工安衛部分能夠真正加強。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:56:01.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:56:45.571000+08:00","text":"我接下來想請教的是，有關於最近綠能界一個很大的事情，就是森崴準備要下市，森崴的子公司就是富崴，是台電的一個承包廠商，在彰化的承包廠商，得到的金額高達628億，結果在不久前，因為後來發現森崴公司的淨值出現負數，負1.8億，少少的錢，相較於整個工程，其實是一個小小的錢，並準備要下市，影響到高達七萬多個投資人。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:56:46.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:57:20.012000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下這件事情，當時這家公司在響應政府的綠能國家隊的時候，它是第一個綠能國家隊甄選出來的統包廠商，曾董事長當時也是我們的次長，所以當時你找到了這家廠商時，是你次長兼代理董事長的時候，你現在是台電的董事長，發現你當時找進來的公司，竟然要被下市了。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:57:21.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:57:26.617000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，台電有沒有什麼因應的狀態，或者要如何處理？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:57:27.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:57:54.503000+08:00","text":"我再直接問一下經濟部部長，因為我看到經濟部講這個案場執行率已經超過96%了，將近要完工，剩下百分之三點多就完工，結果現在出現這樣的事情，我在想因為這個案子是經濟部跟台電簽約，台電再統包出來的狀態，現在要如何處理後續的問題？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:57:54.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:58:13.533000+08:00","text":"因為六百多億的錢都是老百姓的民脂民膏，當時在推綠能國家隊去做這樣的事情，讓一個好好的上市公司走到現在瀕臨要下市的邊緣，6月23日要下市。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:58:15.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:58:21.536000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下曾董事長跟龔部長，針對這部分，可不可以做一個具體的說明？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:58:22.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:58:23.877000+08:00","text":"你們要如何來善後？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:58:24.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:58:34.186000+08:00","text":"報告委員，第一件事情，台電離岸風場的得標廠商其實是富崴，不是森崴。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:58:34.186000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:58:35.186000+08:00","text":"森崴底下有其他的公司。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:58:35.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:58:39.651000+08:00","text":"理解，富崴是森崴百分之百的子公司，好不好？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:58:40.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:58:40.892000+08:00","text":"是的，但不是富崴的財務出狀況。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:58:42.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:58:53.438000+08:00","text":"我想媒體這樣報導，這裡面到底是哪一個部分轉投資，它轉投資的公司帶來比較大的虧損，我覺得這個要被釐清，這是第一點。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:58:54.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:59:01.222000+08:00","text":"因為人家是上市公司，我真的不能夠在這邊代替它回答，但我們的簽約公司是富崴……理解。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:59:03.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:59:07.606000+08:00","text":"因為富崴是森崴百分之百的子公司……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:59:07.606000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:59:09.648000+08:00","text":"第二件事情我也要跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:59:09.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:59:11.929000+08:00","text":"富崴是森崴百分之百的子公司。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:59:13.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:59:19.554000+08:00","text":"對，這會造成森崴的財務狀況出現異常，這是富崴造成的，還是其他因素造成的，媒體上面也有在報導。","quality":0.707},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:59:19.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:59:50.514000+08:00","text":"同時有兩塊，一塊是富崴這邊，因為承接台電的一個案子；另外一塊是富崴去做海事工程的時候，他們有一個在新加坡，叫作寶崴的海事公司，寶崴的狀態是森崴67%的持股，因為這件事情導致現在森崴的淨資產出現負數，我想這肯定是有關係的。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T09:59:52.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:00:03.102000+08:00","text":"曾董事長現在想要釐清的是森崴下市，跟台電與富崴這邊都沒有關係，你想表達的是這樣的情況嗎？","quality":0.707},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T10:00:03.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:00:23.371000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員表達的是，我們現在在做履約的工作，包括你講的工進如何，我們要找的，我們的得標廠商是富崴，我們跟富崴繼續協商後續的工作怎麼進行，這才是我們現在管理的最重要工作，就台電公司來講。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T10:00:23.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:00:31.033000+08:00","text":"理解，沒有問題，本席也支持這個狀態，所以台電要跟富崴後續怎麼去做？","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T10:00:31.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:00:39.955000+08:00","text":"因為富崴是森崴百分之百的子公司，因此導致一家上市公司6月23日被證交所要求要下市。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T10:00:39.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:00:43.396000+08:00","text":"不是富崴導致森崴，就不是富崴導致森崴……","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T10:00:44.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:00:54.701000+08:00","text":"OK，你可以這麼解釋，不過我們看到相關的狀態，因為至少森崴他們在當時發布重訊的時候有提到這個部分。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T10:00:55.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:01:32.768000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下部長，因為我們看到這整個狀態，經濟部特別跳出來說富崴他們的執行率已經高達了96%以上，針對這個部分，經濟部對於這家廠商所衍生可能產生的一些工程的延期，或者是追加款項的時候，經濟部會採取怎麼樣的態度來因應？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-05-20T10:01:32.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:01:54.941000+08:00","text":"報告委員，採購法或者是合約進行，因為他們兩造都有合約進行，當然兩造對於合約有不同解釋或者不可抗力因素的時候，公共工程委員會會有一些協處，我們希望兩造對於公共工程委員會的協處都可以同意進行。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T10:01:55.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:01:56.122000+08:00","text":"沒問題，我想……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-05-20T10:01:57.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:02:08.448000+08:00","text":"就經濟部來講，最希望這個工程還是可以完成，畢竟它已經大部分時間……最困難的部分，基樁都已經做好了，只是把風機裝上去而已，這個部分……","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T10:02:09.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:02:27.650000+08:00","text":"因為它這邊也超出了經濟部跟台電，還有台電跟富崴的合約完工期間，所以後續可能也會碰到一些追繳罰款等等的問題，這個部分請經濟部跟台電事後再到本辦公室來做具體的說明。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T10:02:28.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:02:58.208000+08:00","text":"我這邊還要再特別了解一下，因為台電目前跟很多的國際廠商似乎也出現了一些工程糾紛，可能包括丸紅、住友，也包括了日立，我不知道是不是有這樣的事情，如果在公共工程委員會有進行調解或者是仲裁，或者是直接進行訴訟的部分大概有多少廠商，可不可以請董事長簡單回應一下？","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T10:02:58.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:03:22.816000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，您剛才提到的狀況是這樣，我們過去這幾年來的工程都遇到疫情還有俄烏戰爭，就是一些設備在輸送上面都遇到時間上的問題，這中間很多都有一些工期調整的爭議，所以基本上我們依照採購法的規範，有爭議需要調處的時候，我們會請工程會來協處。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-20T10:03:24.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T10:04:12.966000+08:00","text":"理解，你剛剛也很清楚講到因為疫情跟整個俄烏戰爭所導致國際很多時事變遷的狀態，所以你們現在跟很多國際的大廠也產生一些工程糾紛，我不理解富崴是不是也是類似的狀態，可是不管怎麼樣，因為錢都花出去了，而且是幾百億的錢，當時是為了要把綠能國家隊建立起來，我看到很多媒體當時對這家公司也極盡地吹捧，因為它是綠能國家隊很重要的指標，我們希望經濟部能夠責成台電儘快把相關的事情妥善，讓它能夠具體開始發電，跟所有的國際廠商的糾紛，我也希望知道一些後續的細節，請董事長之後再到本辦公室來做說明，目前到底有多少工程糾紛在公共工程委員會或者是在司法訴訟當中，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.668},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T10:04:13.466000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:04:14.466000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T10:04:14.766000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:04:18.766000+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭正鈐委員，謝謝部長、董事長。","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T10:04:19.066000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T10:04:22.494571+08:00","text":"接下來有請楊瓊瓔委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}