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不想回答了是不是"},{"start":871.816,"end":882.6,"text":"我們看一下我們那個我們在我們可以看一下我們常委會主委的態度我今天我好好的跟您討論的事情然後你跟我講說哎呀川普是因為接受了習近平的資訊所以他講出這些話然後呢在講這些話這都是事實啊我講的也是純粹事實而已啊那他有沒有同意嗎他某種程度來說他有沒有同意"},{"start":892.103,"end":904.387,"text":"他轉世了他的訊息所以川普到底有人講的只是轉一鍵瓶腳啊你把別人叫在你的門口叫囂不斷的指控你是怎樣怎樣然後你住在裡面你就全部從牌接受他的說法所以你以為我自己的獨立人權"},{"start":910.069,"end":914.895,"text":"首先在這裡你不是黨員因為剛剛你提了很多次本黨在這裡你是中華民國僑務委員會的委員"},{"start":928.911,"end":936.074,"text":"本黨是因為委員這樣質詢說你們黨他是這樣講的喔我現在要講的是這個部分那另外就是在尋答的部分我們就我們自己應該要表達的大家去講因為委員他質詢的內容你就你的回答的內容我覺得這個是應該可以去討論的那還是應該要注意態度啦就是這個部分我們也希望在因為對我們來說這一次川普總統他的發言對我們會"},{"start":958.823,"end":986.41,"text":"我們要先結束我們的質詢嗎這個部分這個部分我們還是希望是可以要重視的部分不是啊 張委我在這邊我要抗議啊因為我們現在的這個僑委會的這個委員長的態度非常差即便在我們張委好好的在講這個事情的時候他都要說我們是影響到下一位委員的權益耶那是我在要結束的時候你不願意結束嘛那是不是你主要"},{"start":987.21,"end":1014.111,"text":"不是,我講真的,是不是我們扭曲川普的發言,然後你把川普說成是習近平的發言人一樣,說他講的話都是習近平對他講的,那針對這個事情我當然覺得莫名其妙要討論啊。委員你現在又扭曲了,沒有說的話塞到我的嘴巴了。你的意思基本上就是這樣啦,你的意思就是...我沒有,你也不是我的發言人,委員你也不需要對我的發言人。都是因為習近平的關係,那你憑什麼做川普的發言人啊?"},{"start":1014.551,"end":1033.223,"text":"我們在談話上不講這件事情之後會對於僑界 會對於台灣造成什麼樣的影響結果你不只不承認他說了這些話你還講說那個人是基金你問我 我是照實做我的理解回答沒有 你是做攻擊性的 而且是扭曲性的回答我當然要糾正你啊"},{"start":1033.743,"end":1049.526,"text":"我沒有你沒有所以你認為台灣沒有要搞獨立而川普所講的這些話都是基華民國台灣已經是主權獨立的國家我們要講幾次了國家名稱叫中華民國沒有中華民國台灣所以我剛剛不是已經講了嗎這要重複幾次呢為什麼現在我們講國家的名稱你都喊中華民國台灣呢你是中華民國的常委會的主委還是你是委員長還是你是中華民國台灣的委員長啊"},{"start":1061.809,"end":1064.633,"text":"我最後一個問題,請問你的正式的職稱是什麼?哪一個國家的?中華民國的僑務委員會的委員長。所以請你稱呼我們的國家叫做中華民國,謝謝。好,謝謝。"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}