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台股有沒有可能挑戰五萬點"},{"start":730.968,"end":731.869,"text":"那你要做好準備啊"},{"start":752.333,"end":778.888,"text":"是做好最好的準備啦萬一五萬點以後整個情況要不一樣嘛對我們也會對投資人加以宣導就是說不要再看那個指數幾點幾點要看%數因為這跟以前的一萬點兩萬點整個思維已經完全不一樣這我們也會持續對於金融教育的宣導我們也會不管是對於機構對個人好謝謝那個書面書面一併回答好不好好是再詳細的回答洛洛園好了好謝謝"},{"start":779.989,"end":780.592,"text":"接下來請李彥秀文質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:24:58+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T11:25:03.724000+08:00","text":"主席、各位委員、出列席官員，大家好。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:25:03.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:25:05.185000+08:00","text":"主席，請莊部長、央行嚴副總裁、證期局副局長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T11:25:05.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:25:12.130000+08:00","text":"請莊部長、嚴副總裁、證期局副局長。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T11:25:12.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:25:13.031000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:25:16.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:25:18.735000+08:00","text":"幾位重要的財經官員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:25:19.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:25:32.015000+08:00","text":"現在股市強強滾，但是部長，當沖降稅的時間又快到了，要不要打算再延？","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T11:25:33.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:25:33.617000+08:00","text":"到明年底，還沒到。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:25:34.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:25:35.999000+08:00","text":"雖是明年底，但一轉眼就到了。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:25:39.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:25:52.093000+08:00","text":"當沖可以說是這次股市熱絡的重要推手之一環，當初如果沒有當沖降稅，今天股市也不大可能漲到4萬點。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:25:55.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:01.815000+08:00","text":"所以部長，當沖降稅是不是就讓它明確化？","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:04.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:09.619000+08:00","text":"之所以請央行副總裁上來，其實有一個重大意義。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:09.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:17.744000+08:00","text":"現在臺灣股市市值是全世界第六大，大家覺得這樣就滿意了嗎？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:24.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:30.106000+08:00","text":"委員，中央銀行的角色不合適在這邊評論股市問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:30.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:34.927000+08:00","text":"你們今年很厲害，你們繳庫要繳多少？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:35.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:36.468000+08:00","text":"上繳2,000億？2,000億。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:36.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:36.688000+08:00","text":"什麼原因？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:37.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:40.569000+08:00","text":"以前都在1,700億、1,800億，怎麼會多出300億？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:41.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:44.431000+08:00","text":"我們前幾年就開始提高到2,000億了。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:44.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:46.333000+08:00","text":"都到2,000億了？對。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:46.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:49.175000+08:00","text":"是什麼原因會跟10年前一樣……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:49.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:54.258000+08:00","text":"因為我們的外匯資產規模擴大了，這是一個關鍵因素。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:55.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:55.859000+08:00","text":"規模擴大？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:26:56.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:26:57.380000+08:00","text":"現在外匯存底多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-05-20T11:27:01.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:27:01.363000+08:00","text":"6,024億的樣子。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:27:01.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:27:02.744000+08:00","text":"六千多億？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:27:03.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:27:09.942000+08:00","text":"我剛才看到黃金王子有來到現場，即臺銀的楊天立。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:27:11.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:27:21.479000+08:00","text":"黃金王子在10年前就大力叫好黃金未來的發展，你認不認識這位？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:27:25.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:27:27.440000+08:00","text":"請上來一下，副總裁不大認識……","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-05-20T11:27:27.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:27:29.981000+08:00","text":"沒有，我在電視上聽過他的演講。","quality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","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:31:22.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:31:24.274000+08:00","text":"四加一的市占是多少？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:31:25.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:31:32.363000+08:00","text":"光是一家元大投信，來，你把數據跟大家講，元大一家投信，它的市值有多大？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:31:32.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:31:33.804000+08:00","text":"它的市占有多大？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:31:35.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:31:46.657000+08:00","text":"它光發行一個0050，每一年也沒做什麼事，坐在那邊開開心心的，每年大概就賺兩、三百億！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:31:48.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:31:52.742000+08:00","text":"你剛剛所講的這4家合併，那你們要推出什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:31:52.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:31:53.263000+08:00","text":"未來你們的計畫是什麼？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:31:55.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:31:57.575000+08:00","text":"不是為了找位子，大家併來併去吧？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T11:31:57.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:03.839000+08:00","text":"這四家合併可以把經營規模擴大，能夠擴大它的綜效，我想這是主要的目的，因為各自都比較小，我們希望能夠推出……","quality":0.596},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:04.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:06.101000+08:00","text":"這4家併起來都小小的啦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:06.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:09.103000+08:00","text":"4家併起來一定比原來大嘛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:09.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:10.163000+08:00","text":"對，大多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:11.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:13.786000+08:00","text":"大多少，數字部分我們等一下再提供給您。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:13.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:29.764000+08:00","text":"加起來市占不過2.4%啦，部長，你如果在市場上真的要發揮它的影響力的話，有時候政策上的一個目標，起碼市占應該要20%以上吧，會不會考慮再增資？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:29.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:30.985000+08:00","text":"委員，您的意思是說不要併嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:31.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:32.285000+08:00","text":"因為併了也不夠大。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:32.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:34.347000+08:00","text":"不是，而是併了還不夠嘛！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:34.347000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:35.347000+08:00","text":"那就是要併嘛。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:34.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:37.909000+08:00","text":"你併只是第一步，請問你第二步要做什麼？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:37.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:55.005000+08:00","text":"而且因應未來整個臺灣如果發展成為全世界前五大證券交易所市場的交易量，現在每天的日均值都超過1兆了啊，所以要做好準備。對。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:55.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:32:57.947000+08:00","text":"另外，公股裡面有沒有期貨公司？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T11:32:59.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:33:00.368000+08:00","text":"公股裡面有啊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:33:01.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:33:01.508000+08:00","text":"哪一家？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-05-20T11:33:01.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:33:05.130000+08:00","text":"有啊，兆豐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:33:05.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:33:06.631000+08:00","text":"兆豐期貨，是不是？是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:33:06.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:33:14.735000+08:00","text":"我們現在變成有點扭曲，市場變得越來越大，現在的期貨可以趕得上市場的變化嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:33:17.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:33:17.292000+08:00","text":"來，請金管會回答。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:33:17.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:33:41.429000+08:00","text":"我們都知道期貨的功能有時候就是market maker、造市，有時候未來可以增加它的交易量，目前期貨的情況，副主委，你覺得現在滿意嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:33:41.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:33:56.220000+08:00","text":"萬一到年底或者明年，臺灣股市要是漲到五萬點以上，交易都熱絡，成交量、日均量每天都超過1兆5,000億的時候，我們期貨的能量夠不夠？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:33:56.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:34:02.185000+08:00","text":"目前它的ANC可不可以符合現在整個市場膨脹的量？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T11:34:04.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:34:07.130000+08:00","text":"以目前期貨商這邊來看的話，大概有是14家專營的，資本額是203億，資產是8,490億，所以看起來是有它的一個規模。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T11:34:07.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:34:08.391000+08:00","text":"但是如同我前面所講的，因為這一年來我們的股市大概漲了38%左右。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:34:08.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:34:08.511000+08:00","text":"一萬點漲到四萬點了啊。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T11:34:25.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:34:37.149000+08:00","text":"所以在這個情況之下，的確到目前為止的話，我想業界也有反映ANC，因為ANC這個地方如果低於20%，就要向本會來申報，低於15%應該停止接單，但是我們看來，現在在統計數據上面，大概平均還有二十九點多，所以它還可以再……","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:34:50.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:34:55.480000+08:00","text":"副主委，現在很多民眾要下單，但期貨商已經接不了了，都拒接。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T11:34:57.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:34:59.506000+08:00","text":"其實它還有一個應變的措施。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:34:59.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:35:01.688000+08:00","text":"美國他們的ANC比率是多少？8%啦！。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃副局長仲豪","start":"2026-05-20T11:35:10.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:35:14.604000+08:00","text":"報告委員，美國的計算方式跟我們國內不太一樣，分子、分母的組成都不太相同。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"黃副局長仲豪","start":"2026-05-20T11:35:14.604000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T11:35:15.604000+08:00","text":"以上報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:35:15.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:35:17.165000+08:00","text":"我們現在平均不是到15%嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T11:35:17.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:35:26.947000+08:00","text":"是，因為我們的分母是調整後的資本淨額，分子是所謂客戶保證金，裡面的參數我們可以來檢討，讓期貨商有更大的能量來建新倉，把產品繼續推出來。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:35:34.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:35:36.830000+08:00","text":"副主委，我們要與時俱進啊，對不對？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:35:36.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:35:45.492000+08:00","text":"像期貨未來可以開放更多的黃金交易啊，甚至跟美國一樣，可以開放一些虛擬貨幣的交易市場啊。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T11:35:46.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:36:02.237000+08:00","text":"是，其實它有一個所謂的擴張，就是創造信用跟未來的避險，這也是我們在擴大我們的資本市場時，在這個地方也要給我們的投資人，自然人跟法人也要有避險的一個工具，所以在這個部分，我們會持續努力。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:36:03.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:36:17.034000+08:00","text":"最後，如果臺股漲上五萬點，未來臺灣整個交易量、交易市值可以超過前面的前五大，那其他相關的配套，你準備好了嗎？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T11:36:18.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:37:03.427000+08:00","text":"其實我們在這個部分，不管是證券商融資的部分、委員這次提到ANC的部分、我們在ETF上的產品設計讓它多元化或璞玉指數，我們不單單只看著台積電，我們也必須……台積電的確把我們整個市場拉上去，同時中小企業的股數，不管是他們的股份數，或者他們的價值也在提升，剛剛有講，我們是挑食不偏食，所以我們不單單會在AI以及科技產業，我們要在我們的傳統產業及其他方面厚植實力，把大大小小整個產業拉上來，這樣才有辦法去達到第五、第四，甚至一直往上。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:37:04.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:37:06.910000+08:00","text":"臺股有沒有可能挑戰5萬點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T11:37:06.910000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T11:37:09.088000+08:00","text":"這個部分，因為我們是監理機關，我們真的不便評論，但是其實以目前為止的話，我們的本益比是29，以及相對於去年整體上市櫃公司的營收，都是史上最高，是正向的方式，但是幾點我們是不敢預期。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:37:09.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:37:30.333000+08:00","text":"但你要做好準備啊。是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:37:30.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:37:34.976000+08:00","text":"做好最好的準備啦，萬一5萬點以後，整個情況又不一樣嘛。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員彥良","start":"2026-05-20T11:37:35.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:37:51.105000+08:00","text":"對，我們也會對於投資人加以宣導，就是說，不要再看那個指數幾點、幾點，要看百分比，因為這跟以前的1萬點、2萬點，整個思維已經完全不一樣，這部分我們也會持續進行金融教育的宣導，我們也會……不管是對於機構、對於個人。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-05-20T11:37:51.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:37:52.526000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席（林委員思銘）","start":"2026-05-20T11:37:52.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:37:54.867000+08:00","text":"羅委員，這個部分，書面一併回答好不好？是。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T11:37:55.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:37:56.888000+08:00","text":"你們再詳細的回答羅委員，謝謝。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T11:37:57.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T11:37:58.592000+08:00","text":"接下來請李彥秀委員質詢。","quality":0.818}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}