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謝謝接下來我們有請陳廷飛"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:28:06.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:28:06.802000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:28:07.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:28:09.196000+08:00","text":"我請一下台電董事長。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:28:09.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:28:09.639000+08:00","text":"請台電董事長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:28:09.639000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:28:16.642000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:28:16.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:28:16.982000+08:00","text":"董事長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:28:18.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:28:26.229000+08:00","text":"最近你們有一個事件很紅，就是台電logo設計的問題。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:28:29.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:28:48.525000+08:00","text":"台電是一個公務機關，這個logo已經很多年了，透過組改的時候，把它稍微做一些優化，推動這些美學進步，其實我認為是合理的，也是正常的，可是我不知道台電你們在怕什麼！","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:28:48.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:28:49.525000+08:00","text":"為什麼怕被大家知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:28:50.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:28:53.807000+08:00","text":"直到在網路上引起廣泛討論之後，才開始出來說明？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:28:54.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:29:00.149000+08:00","text":"董事長，我給你1分鐘的時間，你把這個過程簡單說明一下好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:29:00.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:29:36.189000+08:00","text":"好，跟委員報告，我首先要說明一件事，就是這個logo調整的時間是2023年第4季（9月份），成案當時我還是代理董事長，簡單來講，基本上是經濟部所有的單位，因為經濟部改組拖延非常久，最後終於通過了，我們也開始進行整個……包括有些單位更名，也做了一些識別系統的優化工作，所以它其實是在2023年9月就成案的一個事情。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:29:37.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:29:54.882000+08:00","text":"成案當時的王耀庭總經理也批示，說他認為這些logo的調整不需要浪費，不需要多花費公帑，可以從軟性跟印刷品先啟動。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:29:54.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:30:14.229000+08:00","text":"意思就是說，這些是本來就要做的事，在logo上面可能可以做一些調整，一直到2024年，我們才知道已經發包完成了，有新的作品出來，我們再開始參與討論，簡單報告一下，我覺得這裡面真的也有一些世代差異，我們這裡的總經理、董事長及副總……","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:30:18.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:30:20.092000+08:00","text":"你們這些老牌的都認為不需要改啦！","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:30:20.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:30:20.733000+08:00","text":"都會怕啦！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:30:20.733000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:30:21.733000+08:00","text":"坦白說，就是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:30:21.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:30:23.356000+08:00","text":"你們都怕被立法委員罵啦！","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:30:24.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:30:31.927000+08:00","text":"但你們不知道現在時代在進步，其實台電的滋滋聲圖案跟時代已經完全不符合了。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:30:32.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:30:33.509000+08:00","text":"我們是比較保守一點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:30:33.509000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:30:34.509000+08:00","text":"董事長，我簡單講啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:30:33.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:30:51.665000+08:00","text":"對於這件事情，我不會苛責你們，但我覺得台電去優化，不管是你的服務、你的logo、提倡美學，其實你最應該要優化的是電網韌性，當然這個事情你們持續在做……是！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:30:51.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:30:52.665000+08:00","text":"這個我們持續在進行。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:30:52.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:31:10.420000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得這一件事情，老實講，你們根本不用害怕，甚至我聽到今天說什麼中油因為這樣子，所以中油的logo優化要暫緩，我都覺得你們行得正、坐得直，其實都不要怕人家說，這個指責、這個罵你們就停下來，那個罵你們也停下來，那你們到底怎麼做事情啊？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:31:11.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:31:17.706000+08:00","text":"講到電網優化，這件事情我認為就這樣過去，我也不會跟你花太多時間在這個討論上面。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:31:20.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:31:26.805000+08:00","text":"董事長，我要跟你強調，過去我們曾經討論過微電網的韌性，這件事情你應該還記得吧？是。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:31:27.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:31:34.192000+08:00","text":"我也希望台電能夠給我一些你們在做微電網韌性上面的進度。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:31:35.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:31:58.648000+08:00","text":"這個是我查到的資料，台電的鳳山宿舍在108年開始，你們就有一個所謂的規劃展示屋，以低碳節能為主軸，你們去把宿舍做這樣的改進，我記得是去年本席在這邊也跟您談到，在偏遠的部落、偏遠的山上，是不是也能夠創造這樣的微電網？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:32:01.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:32:15.397000+08:00","text":"創造所謂的低碳節能儲電設備系統，讓山上部落遇到颱風、颳風下雨、電線斷裂的時候，不會有受到停電的危險，我不知道在這一件事情上面，台電的進度是如何？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:32:15.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:32:20.901000+08:00","text":"我一直在回想您曾經在這裡回答你住的宿舍，你不敢開冷氣，因為冷氣太老舊，所以你還是吹電扇。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:32:25.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:32:27.464000+08:00","text":"請問一下，你到現在還是吹電扇嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:32:27.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:32:32.145000+08:00","text":"你們台電的冷氣設備、你們的相關節能設備有沒有做精進？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:32:32.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:32:46.449000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告一下，這邊要說一下，因為台電的宿舍、董事長宿舍都有一些歷史，所以它其實是密封性沒有那麼好，但台電一定是會把冷氣都換成變頻、換比較高效能的……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:32:46.449000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:32:48.870000+08:00","text":"換節能高效的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:32:48.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:32:58.493000+08:00","text":"我只是覺得董事長的用電一定會被注意，那時候我就覺得如果溫度OK的話，我開電風扇就可以，但還是會有開冷氣。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:32:58.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:32:59.773000+08:00","text":"所以你開電風扇，不是因為冷氣太老舊？","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:32:59.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:33:00.413000+08:00","text":"不是、不是、不是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:33:00.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:33:02.114000+08:00","text":"而是因為你要節電。","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:33:02.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:33:03.014000+08:00","text":"對，那個都是變頻的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:33:03.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:33:04.554000+08:00","text":"你提倡節電，這是一個好事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:33:04.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:33:09.196000+08:00","text":"那您告訴我，所謂的韌性電網這件事情的進度到哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:33:09.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:33:16.418000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，韌性電網其實是特高壓、高壓跟一般的都在做，同時在進行。是，對。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:33:18.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:33:27.103000+08:00","text":"簡單來講，特高壓的就是供產業園區，還有一些我們節點瓶頸要打開的，現在進度上面都有on schedule，就是都有……","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:33:27.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:33:31.386000+08:00","text":"on schedule大概是現在的普及率或者是你的進度到什麼程度？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:33:32.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:34:02.350000+08:00","text":"依照我們的計畫來講，我們改的那些重要的高壓部分，還有透過保護電驛來讓它分散的這些工作，大致上已經做到一個段落，現在都要新增電網，新增電網的事情都在做，這個部分有兩件事，第一件事，這兩年都因為丹娜絲颱風而取得的特別預算，我們在加速做一些必要地區的地下化工作。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:34:03.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:34:06.453000+08:00","text":"董事長，我關心的這個部分，你們可不可以給我一個比較完整的報告，好不好？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:34:06.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:34:07.313000+08:00","text":"沒問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:34:07.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:34:11.515000+08:00","text":"就是有哪幾個地方，尤其是偏遠地區的孤島電網，我們會來做。好。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:34:12.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:34:17.077000+08:00","text":"韌性電網還有另外一個也是我一直提到的電桿地下化，這個我要請台電董事長一併上來。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:34:17.077000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:34:20.280000+08:00","text":"是台糖。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:34:20.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:34:23.001000+08:00","text":"對不起，是台糖的吳董事長。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:34:23.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:35:00.836000+08:00","text":"兩位董事長，你們看一下，這是在高速公路國道十號下來，手巾寮這一段，即國道十號的尾端，過去台糖在這裡種樹成林，左邊是以前的照片，右邊是現在的照片，台糖要砍這些樹的時候，發了一個很小的公告貼在樹旁邊，它說因為颱風來樹會把電線勾斷造成停電，所以要疏伐第一排的樹木，結果變成這樣，部長，請你也看一下，變成這樣啦！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:35:01.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:35:08.278000+08:00","text":"不是第一排的樹木，那些樹全部被砍光光，在截切之後，台糖拿去賣錢。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:35:10.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:35:17.517000+08:00","text":"這件事情被我發現之後，當然台糖董事長被我臭罵了一頓，在臭罵了一頓之後，台糖做什麼事？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:35:17.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:35:19.758000+08:00","text":"我要求把樹種回來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:35:19.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:35:35.141000+08:00","text":"第二個，我要求台糖跟台電現在要立刻去研議這一段路的電桿地下化、電纜地下化的問題，後來台電告訴我，你們有在規劃。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:35:35.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:35:43.606000+08:00","text":"我現在要講的就是能不能請台電加快速度去把這一段的電線地下化做好？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:35:44.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:35:54.673000+08:00","text":"第三個，台糖因為我的要求要把樹種回來，台糖本來下個月又要再把樹種上去了，我說你們台糖是不是腦子有一點問題？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:35:54.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:36:18.912000+08:00","text":"如果電線要地下化，是不是應該讓電線地下化的工程趕快進行完之後，你再把樹種上去，結果你們因為立法委員要求把樹種上去，所以你們不分青紅皂白，也不管三七二十一，現在又要再把樹種上去，到時候如果台電要做工程，樹又要再砍一次，我就覺得你們兩個工務單位都沒有溝通、協調。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:36:18.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:36:23.215000+08:00","text":"曾董事長，這一段的電線地下化能不能立刻去進行、加速去進行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-05-20T09:36:24.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:36:34.084000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們一定會跟台糖合作，先儘快加速進行，讓這邊的植栽能夠恢復，我會請我們的同仁先處理這一塊。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:36:34.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:36:35.985000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:36:36.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:36:36.926000+08:00","text":"台電曾董事長請回。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:36:38.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:36:50.295000+08:00","text":"吳董事長，接下來我要跟您請教第二個問題，剛剛那個問題之前我已經跟你討論過了，綠樹成林，你好不容易種了30年的樹，種得這麼漂亮，被你們一夕之間砍光光。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:36:50.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:37:01.663000+08:00","text":"我現在要跟你談到，您接受訪問的時候說你們台糖現在賺錢了，你來了一年以後，台糖開始賺錢，我不知道你賺的錢是賺什麼樣的錢？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:37:01.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:37:09.029000+08:00","text":"在剛剛的報告裡面，你的本業還是虧損，所以你賺的錢是什麼？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:37:09.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:37:15.694000+08:00","text":"是土地出租出去開發做科學園區，用土地的租金收入來賺錢嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:37:15.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:37:18.436000+08:00","text":"那你有很多的休閒園區，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:37:20.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:37:24.020000+08:00","text":"我現在跟你談一個橋頭的休閒園區。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:37:24.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:05.271000+08:00","text":"董事長，這個是我們橋頭的烤肉區，我不知道你們是活在什麼時代的人，烤肉區上面設置一大堆這種陽傘，陽傘很低，你在下面烤肉，那個煙根本擴散不出去，密密麻麻的陽傘，在下面烤肉的人叫作慢性中毒，因為所有的煙全部被他的肺吸進去了，旁邊也沒有水源，烤肉架全部生鏽，廁所也老舊，臭得要死，台糖也不管，反正你照樣收錢，你照樣出租出去。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:05.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:06.292000+08:00","text":"還是會有人來租，還是會有人來用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:06.292000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:07.292000+08:00","text":"董事長，你有沒有去過那裡？","quality":0.182},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:07.292000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:08.292000+08:00","text":"我有去過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:08.292000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:09.292000+08:00","text":"有去過，那你有沒有在那邊烤肉過？","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:09.292000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:10.292000+08:00","text":"我沒有在那邊烤過肉。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:07.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:07.673000+08:00","text":"你沒有在那邊烤過肉，你光是去看，你不覺得那邊有什麼問題嗎？","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:19.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:20.930000+08:00","text":"因為我沒去過那個地方。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:22.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:24.451000+08:00","text":"你來這一年，你也有很多地方還沒去過嘛？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:25.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:31.555000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我可能是所有董事長裡面去過最多地方，所有的那個……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:31.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:33.556000+08:00","text":"你去過最多地方，我隨便點一個橋頭，你就不曾去過了？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:33.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:38:34.956000+08:00","text":"橋頭我有去過，我去過兩、三次。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:38:35.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:39:06.739000+08:00","text":"董事長，我現在要跟你說的是，你不要跟我說台糖現在有多會賺錢，在你的休閒園區既有的設備，如果你要推什麼休閒園區，麻煩你跟著時代進步一點，低碳節能，你的報告也有寫，但是你們自己的烤肉區一點都不低碳、一點都不節能，還製造環境污染，還讓去參加烤肉的人慢性中毒，這種設備已經不是先進國家了，作為國營事業，應該要帶頭嘛！","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:39:07.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:39:11.022000+08:00","text":"設備要改善的就要改善、要花錢的就要花錢，好不好？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:39:11.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:39:11.662000+08:00","text":"這個有辦法去改善嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:39:11.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:39:12.523000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，其實這幾年都有賺錢，只是去年賺比較多這樣啦！","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:39:12.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:39:22.730000+08:00","text":"不是說我來這裡才賺錢，以前就有在賺錢了。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳董事長明昌","start":"2026-05-20T09:39:23.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:39:24.852000+08:00","text":"好，對於那個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:39:25.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:39:28.556000+08:00","text":"不用解釋太多了，你就去會勘，滿足需求，好嗎？OK。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-20T09:39:29.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:39:29.757000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:39:29.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:39:30.858000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱議瑩委員。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T09:39:30.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T09:39:31.459000+08:00","text":"接下來我們有請陳亭妃委員質詢。","quality":0.571}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}