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國務部長這個你很熟悉啊"},{"start":471.449,"end":490.761,"text":"這些都是我們台灣從工業起飛之後工業部門我們經濟部陸續成立了一共九個財團法人從最早的紡織到精力的什麼食品到精力的所謂的自行車精力的運動鞋還有精密工業工具機到後來的塑膠"},{"start":492.213,"end":518.116,"text":"國務部長是不是這樣子政府要讓產業在地方有一個生態系要有方法要有工具有沒有缺了一個什麼最重要的這些產業都是傳產嘛有工具機有自行車有球鞋缺了什麼缺了我們台灣最強的電腦手機跟晶片啊那個是誰出的那個是支車會啊支車會在68年成立的"},{"start":518.789,"end":544.916,"text":"所以台灣的政府要幫忙推動產業的時候他都會有一個工具、要有一個平台來整合民間的部門目前無人採取產業有任何一個嗎?沒有啊,目前我們看一下分布在哪裡目前的產業發展歸經濟部最普遍的應用在我們2016年、2017年修民用航空管的時候增加那個遙控無人機專章主要送來紙保機就噴農藥的"},{"start":546.223,"end":563.932,"text":"但是我們後來發現有治安防護的問題,為後來的抒發部管有所謂的社平管理是NCC管還有使用管理上空域、海域、民防局跟航港局以及後來的應用包括救傷、送藥是所謂衛福部跟消防署"},{"start":564.977,"end":590.095,"text":"一個無人載具的產業可以有這麼多的非軍事的應用但是到目前為止政府沒有一個專責的單位來管理它這個產業跟生態系的建立所以法規分散 資源分散就是主要產業請問行政院願意支持整合無人載具的法規嗎就像我們海覽七法一樣院長 我覺得海覽七法做得很好整合各部會的法規 交通部 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還有最先端的晶片"},{"start":806.364,"end":827.62,"text":"這些集合起來,不是一個掛著手榴彈上面載著個人電腦的自行車,就是無人載具這個要完整的生態系統建構,那需要什麼呢?我告訴你需要什麼?我們現在只有無人機聯盟、漢翔擔任主席、兩百六十幾家廠商去國外拿訂單,然後沒有了"},{"start":828.379,"end":847.072,"text":"我們國內有什麼?現在我們需要是明定組織機關,整合政府資源,統合業界需求,帶動商機,提升後勤的產能請問誰來主政?剛剛陳婉婷委員說要由經濟部主政,我後來休息之間看到顧部長跟廣部長在說你那你那你那"},{"start":847.853,"end":861.127,"text":"我覺得就是行政院主政但是未來可能部會上比較接近經濟部發展產業的性質但是預算可能用在大部分的內需需求是我們的國防部院長你覺得怎麼樣"},{"start":862.891,"end":889.885,"text":"至少我們剛剛講的統籌型計畫是副院長在主持的我們那個無人載具產業發展沒有立算啊沒有法規啊副院長只能協調各部會啊所以我現在要給我們希望國會通過一個創建產業的特別條例給形容那個工具未來就算是國發會主政還是副院長主政就像當年的前瞻基礎建設一樣八年八千八百億"},{"start":891.025,"end":914.277,"text":"各國都有編預算然後行政院強力推動這就是目前我們賴總統施政卓院長你領導之下我們已經有這個基礎我們過去這個統籌型計畫已經是有這樣的組織了雖然他並沒有很大的我是建議院長你先想一想我們要講完你先想一想不用急著去拒絕今天很多委員都是希望有一個特別條例我只要講完"},{"start":915.987,"end":933.167,"text":"我無人載具我問了好幾次我問過交通部有什麼有大型無人貨機的跨境空中物流運輸你沒有想過無人貨機可以做跨境的空中運輸沒有我問過海巡署海上的無人艦艇可不可以應對滋擾跟查緝走私"},{"start":934.008,"end":949.552,"text":"署長說,副主委說可以我問國防部,是不是我們來建立無人艇部隊,而且要採購改用以租賃代替採購的方式部長說,願意帶回去研究所以他說的是說,這個是非常重要的,所以最後的結論就是這樣,好不好,可以帶回去研究研究一定不會停止,現在我們希望希望你支持一個特別的政策,創建"},{"start":963.452,"end":964.517,"text":"謝謝邱家斌委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:24:46.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:24:50.635000+08:00","text":"主席、在場委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士、先生。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:24:51.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:24:53.459000+08:00","text":"有請卓院長，還有顧部長跟龔部長。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T16:24:53.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:24:54.120000+08:00","text":"麻煩請卓院長、國防部部長、經濟部部長備詢。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:25:11.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:25:11.213000+08:00","text":"鍾委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:25:11.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:25:12.255000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-05-20T16:25:12.255000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:25:13.858000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:25:13.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:25:14.259000+08:00","text":"兩位部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:25:15.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:25:20.553000+08:00","text":"我們現在來看一個東西，請問院長跟部長有用過AI去生成圖片嗎？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:25:22.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:25:22.440000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:25:23.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:25:39.264000+08:00","text":"我剛剛來之前，要AI幫我生產一個武器，我說要符合四個條件：第一要有遠端傳輸；第二是裝在移動載具上，然後要有處理資訊的能力，而且能夠達成軍事爆破的功能。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:25:39.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:25:48.446000+08:00","text":"不只如此，我說你還要用成熟的技術，最快可以量產，而且要非常便宜，結果跑出這個東西，你們覺得這是什麼？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:25:49.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:25:58.909000+08:00","text":"一輛老爺腳踏車，上面放著一台PC（個人電腦），一根竹竿綁著一個手榴彈，在東南亞地方的一個游擊隊就這樣，這是什麼？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:25:58.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:26:03.851000+08:00","text":"顧部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-05-20T16:26:03.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:26:05.772000+08:00","text":"你說這個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱：對，這叫做FPV（第一視角）自殺式武器。我說","start":"2026-05-20T16:26:14.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:26:17.597000+08:00","text":"這樣不行，太low了，我要美軍製造的。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱：對，這叫做FPV（第一視角）自殺式武器。我說","start":"2026-05-20T16:26:18.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:26:18.898000+08:00","text":"它就跑出這個圖。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱：對，這叫做FPV（第一視角）自殺式武器。我說","start":"2026-05-20T16:26:21.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:26:35.128000+08:00","text":"其實無人載具說穿了就是這四個要件嘛，遠端傳輸，用手機可以遙控；要可移動的載具，管它是車、船還是飛機；然後要能夠達到軍事爆破的效果；本身還要有資訊處理能力。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱：對，這叫做FPV（第一視角）自殺式武器。我說","start":"2026-05-20T16:26:35.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:26:41.790000+08:00","text":"不過就是腳踏車加個人電腦、加手榴彈，然後用手機，有很難嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱：對，這叫做FPV（第一視角）自殺式武器。我說","start":"2026-05-20T16:26:41.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:26:47.460000+08:00","text":"院長，我們來看一下，軍購案三讀，行政院後續規劃。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱：對，這叫做FPV（第一視角）自殺式武器。我說","start":"2026-05-20T16:26:47.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:26:58.486000+08:00","text":"我們看到媒體報導說軍購預算三讀上限7,800億，川普說對臺軍售將很快決定，其實我們都在關心：刪掉商購跟委製對國防的影響？","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱：對，這叫做FPV（第一視角）自殺式武器。我說","start":"2026-05-20T16:26:58.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:27:00.288000+08:00","text":"全球都在看臺灣怎麼強化國防？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱：對，這叫做FPV（第一視角）自殺式武器。我說","start":"2026-05-20T16:27:01.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:27:03.570000+08:00","text":"只通過7,800億，後續規劃如何補足缺口？","q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:false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:32:11.385000+08:00","text":"要持久、要數量夠，所以我們要的其實是無人載具產業鏈，並非只是商購，也不是軍購、也不是委製，而是要創建一個供應鏈。","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:32:11.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:32:13.045000+08:00","text":"這樣的無人載具供應鏈缺什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:32:13.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:32:14.005000+08:00","text":"我來告訴大家。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:32:14.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:32:28.956000+08:00","text":"龔部長，這個你應該很熟悉，在臺灣工業起飛之後，經濟部陸續成立了共九個財團法人，從最早的紡織到經歷了什麼？","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:32:28.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:32:36.761000+08:00","text":"食品、到經歷了自行車、經歷了運動鞋還有精密工業、工具機，到後來的塑膠。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:32:38.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:32:39.434000+08:00","text":"龔部長，是不是這樣子？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:32:40.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:32:47.421000+08:00","text":"政府要讓產業在地方有生態系，就要有方法、要有工具，所以這裡面缺了一個什麼最重要的？","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:32:48.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:32:55.488000+08:00","text":"這些產業都是傳產，有工具機、有自行車、有球鞋，缺了什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:32:55.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:32:57.910000+08:00","text":"缺了我們臺灣最強的電腦、手機跟晶片！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:32:59.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:32:59.652000+08:00","text":"那是誰出的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:33:01.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:33:01.854000+08:00","text":"資策會！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:33:02.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:33:13.191000+08:00","text":"資策會在68年成立，所以臺灣政府要幫忙推動產業時，都會有工具、有平臺來整合民間部門。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:33:13.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:33:17.372000+08:00","text":"目前無人載具產業有任何一個嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:33:17.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:33:20.213000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們看一下目前分布在哪裡。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:33:20.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:33:30.896000+08:00","text":"目前產業發展歸經濟部，最普遍的應用是在2016年、2017年修正民用航空法時，增加了遙控無人機專章，主要用來規範植保機，也就是噴農藥用的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:33:32.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:33:49.912000+08:00","text":"但我們後來發現有資安防護問題，故而歸後來的數發部管；有所謂的射頻管理問題則歸NCC管；在使用管理上，空域、海域由民航局跟航港局管；以及後來的應用，包括救傷送藥，由衛福部跟消防署管。","quality":0.79},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:33:50.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:01.484000+08:00","text":"一個無人載具產業可以有這麼多的非軍事應用，但到目前為止，政府卻沒有一個專責單位可以管理這個產業跟生態系的建立。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:02.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:08.870000+08:00","text":"這個產業的法規分散、資源分散，請問行政院願意支持整合無人載具的法規嗎？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:08.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:10.751000+08:00","text":"這就像海纜七法一樣。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:10.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:15.915000+08:00","text":"院長，我覺得海纜七法做得很好，整合了各部會的法規，雖然大部分都在交通部。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:17.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:20.385000+08:00","text":"至於無人載具產業需不需要整合法規？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:20.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:23.066000+08:00","text":"目前只有經濟部有無人產業發展……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:23.066000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:25.347000+08:00","text":"在金屬中心底下……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:25.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:26.188000+08:00","text":"統籌型計畫而已。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:26.188000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:27.188000+08:00","text":"在金屬中心底下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:27.188000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:28.188000+08:00","text":"由副院長來當召集人，也是在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:26.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:33.590000+08:00","text":"但金屬中心沒有發展法制化的能力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:34.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:36.432000+08:00","text":"我來告訴各位需要什麼！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:36.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:41.493000+08:00","text":"無人載具的發展需要創建產業特別條例，什麼叫創建產業？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:34:41.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:34:55.437000+08:00","tex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，然後呢？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:13.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:38:13.600000+08:00","text":"沒有了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:14.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:38:16.220000+08:00","text":"我們國內有什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:16.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:38:25.447000+08:00","text":"我們現在需要明定主責機關、整合政府資源、統合業界需求、帶動商機、提升後勤產能，請問誰來主政？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:27.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:38:32.912000+08:00","text":"剛剛陳冠廷委員說要由經濟部主政，後來休息時間我看到顧部長跟龔部長說：你啦！你啦！你啦！","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:33.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:38:47.127000+08:00","text":"我覺得就是行政院主政，但未來可能在部會上比較接近經濟部發展產業的性質，預算可能大部分用在內部需求的是我們國防部，院長，你覺得怎麼樣？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:48.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:38:52.013000+08:00","text":"至少我們剛剛講的統籌型計畫是副院長在主持的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:52.013000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:38:53.794000+08:00","text":"喔，副院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:53.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:38:55.975000+08:00","text":"我們那個無人載具產業發展……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:56.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:38:56.995000+08:00","text":"可是沒有預算啊！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:57.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:38:58.056000+08:00","text":"沒有法規啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:38:58.056000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:39:00.217000+08:00","text":"是，我是說當那樣已經到副院長的層級了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:39:00.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:39:25.450000+08:00","text":"副院長只能協調各部會啊，所以現在我們希望國會通過一個創建產業的特別條例，給行政院一個工具，未來就算是國發會主政或是副院長主政，就像當年的前瞻基礎建設一樣，8年8,800億，各部會都有編列預算，然後行政院強力推動，這就是目前賴總統施政，在卓院長領導之下，我們已經有這個基礎了。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:39:25.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:39:31.593000+08:00","text":"是，我要跟委員報告的是，我們過去這個統籌型計畫已經有這樣的組織，雖然它並有很大的經費，但是我們已經前瞻到以後如果有這個的話……","quality":0.456},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:39:31.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:39:39.697000+08:00","text":"我是建議院長，你可以想一想，我把它講完，你先想一想，不用急著去拒絕，今天很多委員都希望有個特別條例……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:39:39.697000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:39:40.697000+08:00","text":"沒有，不是拒絕。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:39:39.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:39:40.257000+08:00","text":"我把它講完。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:39:42.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:39:54.141000+08:00","text":"對於無人載具，我問了好幾次，我問過交通部大型無人貨機跨境空中物流運輸，你有沒有想過無人貨機可以做跨境空中運輸？沒有！","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:39:54.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:39:59.147000+08:00","text":"我問過海巡署海上無人艦艇可否應對滋擾跟查緝走私？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:40:00.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:40:01.668000+08:00","text":"副主委說可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:40:02.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:40:10.651000+08:00","text":"我問國防部是不是我們來建立無人艇部隊，而且改以租賃代替採購的方式，部長說願意帶回去研究。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:40:10.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:40:13.992000+08:00","text":"所以我要說的是，這個是非常重要的，最後的結論就是如螢幕上所示，可以帶回去研究嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:40:13.992000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:40:14.992000+08:00","text":"我們的研究一定不會低於現在我們這個統籌型計畫的層級，我跟委員報告的是這一點。","quality":0.278},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-05-20T16:40:14.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-20T16:40:29.452000+08:00","text":"希望你支持這個特別預算條例，創建無人載具特別條例，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-20T16:40:29.952000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:40:33.380571+08:00","text":"是，我們可以來研究，謝謝委員。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T16:40:33.680571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:40:41.109143+08:00","text":"謝謝鍾佳濱委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及各相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-20T16:40:41.409143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-20T16:40:46.837714+08:00","text":"接下來請馬文君委員質詢，李坤城委員請準備。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}