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完全贊成委員的意見除了我們台灣必須要去面對中國的擴張主義以及軍事威脅之外第一島鏈的所有國家通通都必須要去面對中國的擴張主義"},{"start":650.231,"end":665.132,"text":"那在這一點上面我相信美國政府美國國會都非常的清楚那在一個利基點上面我們也會跟美國保持非常密切友好的關係好這個部分齁在因為時間的關係齁最後我個人提兩個"},{"start":666.173,"end":680.498,"text":"建議因為我相信我們國安單位我們總統府各幕僚單位大家事實上現在大家都繃緊神經而且都是全力以赴全力以赴的在處理相關的問題但是我個人提兩個建議第一個就是說定義現在的狀況我個人認為現在我們的整個國安團隊在對美關係上面"},{"start":694.431,"end":716.485,"text":"的團隊、隊形是不是應該要做調整跟檢討在這個過程裡面我們是不是能夠更精確的表達台灣的整個在台灣整個民主化過程中台灣現在目前維持現狀所做的努力以及現在的現狀之下台灣人民主權的立場好這個我認為說我們在從現在開始在整個"},{"start":717.646,"end":725.82,"text":"對美的這個工作的團隊我認為應該可以做一個檢討跟調整因應未來更加重要的這個時機這是第一點對美團隊的這個調整"},{"start":730.779,"end":750.903,"text":"第二個在這個時候我們除了在加強全面強化對美的工作之外我們這個要更加的強化我們跟其他與台灣安全命運與共的盟邦之間的溝通透過跟我們命運與共的盟邦"},{"start":752.383,"end":776.968,"text":"跟我們他們對台灣的理解來影響整個來形塑整個台海局勢在未來的整個佈局我們話不能講得很白但是我的建議是這樣我是希望說我們能夠除了對美以外我們同時在這個時候更加強化與我們利益與共利益一致的這些盟邦"},{"start":778.103,"end":800.695,"text":"而且透過這些盟邦大家共同來傳達對於台海和平我們維持現狀的決心對於中國對破壞現狀的這樣子的做法我們所做的相關的因應要讓國際社會及美國了解好不好謝謝委員的指教剛剛第二點就是我們正在努力的方向那委員的看法跟我們的看法是完全一致好謝謝謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:29.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:30.668000+08:00","text":"主席，我們先請總統府潘秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:30.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:37.111000+08:00","text":"請潘秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:37.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:37.351000+08:00","text":"潘秘書長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:37.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:21:38.351000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:21:37.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:22:35.572000+08:00","text":"從這個月15日川習會結束到今天大概是6天的時間，在整個川習會的過程，看起來外界沒有辦法得知裡面出現的狀況，但是川普總統15日離開的時候，在空軍一號上面，他就有發表說，將與掌管臺灣的人談過之後，在不久的將來做出決定。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:22:36.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:22:38.015000+08:00","text":"這是他第一次提到。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:22:40.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:03.900000+08:00","text":"在川普離開北京之後，川習會的整個效應對於臺海議題、臺美關係真的是造成了巨大的漣漪，幾次川普總統的對外談話都造成國內外不小的震盪，也引起國人高度關注和焦慮。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:03.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:22.284000+08:00","text":"今天等於是總統府還有國安會在川習會後第一次來立法院，讓我們有機會了解，在這整個過程中，國安單位怎麼樣因應、國安單位怎麼看待、國安單位怎麼面對接下來的狀況。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:24.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:29.909000+08:00","text":"我剛才提到，川普總統15日在飛機上提到，他要跟掌管臺灣的人談一談。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:32.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:56.297000+08:00","text":"那時候我們大家一開始認為，川普總統大概會透過什麼樣的管道來跟我們對話，或者傳話，或者怎麼樣進行對話，結果昨天就在美國馬里蘭州安德魯聯合基地，川普總統透過白宮的快速回應帳號……記者問他：你會不會跟臺灣的賴總統談？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:56.297000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:23:57.297000+08:00","text":"（Do you have any plans to call President Lai of Taiwan？","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:23:56.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:24:27.825000+08:00","text":"）記者這樣問，川普昨天就直接講：I'll speak to him.（我要跟他談）這是他第二次講，時隔5天，第二次講I'll speak to him.也就是川普總統明確表達，他要跟賴總統對話。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:24:27.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:24:31.189000+08:00","text":"請問潘秘書長，這個部分，我們現在做了什麼樣的準備？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:24:31.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:24:46.646000+08:00","text":"如果川普總統真的跟賴總統直接進行對話，這是臺美關係40年來第一次真正官方直接對話，這是第一次！","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:24:47.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:24:51.508000+08:00","text":"上一次我們小英總統跟川普通電話的時候，他還沒就任。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:24:53.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:25:00.822000+08:00","text":"如果照川普總統所講的，這個是第一次臺美最高峰直接對話。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:25:00.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:25:04.448000+08:00","text":"請問潘秘書長，這個部分，我們有什麼樣的準備和因應？","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T09:25:07.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:25:09.177000+08:00","text":"謝謝沈委員的垂詢。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T09:25:09.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:25:28.925000+08:00","text":"針對川習會之前，到進行當中，以及結束，登上空軍一號，甚至一直到落地，回到美國本土，國安會、總統府都高度關注，在川習會之前，在進行當中，每一天，到結束。","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T09:25:29.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:25:57.755000+08:00","text":"當然川普總統在離開北京之前接受福斯的預錄專訪，到在空軍一號對記者所講的，以及回來之後又開了一些相關的談話，總統都充分掌握了相關資訊，國安會以及總統府，包括外交部，都有相當的掌握。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T09:25:58.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:26:10.119000+08:00","text":"同時目前我們沒有接到任何相關的通話，如果有通話的話，也會跟大家說明……","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:26:12.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:26:27.486000+08:00","text":"川普兩次講要跟賴總統對話，中間時隔5天，有沒有任何管道或者有任何方式來跟我們表達，說可能要做這樣的準備，或者有什麼樣的意見傳達，有沒有？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T09:26:28.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:26:58.878000+08:00","text":"我想臺美之間的關係暢通無阻，不管是美國國會，不管是眾議院、參議院，包括國務院，以及在臺機構AIT，國安會、外交部和總統府都保持著非常大的暢通，溝通相當好；而且今天早上國務院發言人也對外發布了一個正式郵件，同時也跟大家分享。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T09:26:59.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:27:42+08:00","text":"國務院發言人重申，美國對臺的承諾持續、依舊，如同40年來堅定的立場；他們也表明，對臺政策不會改變，還是以臺灣關係法、六項保證以及中美三個公報為臺海關係的工作指引；發言人更是說明，他們期待與賴總統及臺灣夥伴持續合作，以推進雙方共同利益，並維護臺海和平穩定。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T09:27:42.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:27:44.822000+08:00","text":"我想這一段國務院的發言是……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:27:44.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:27:57.054000+08:00","text":"有，秘書長，你看我的簡報，這個就是今天早上7點45分國務院給我們的郵件，裡面提到秘書長剛剛所提的，這個是美國國務院對臺灣的最新回應……對。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:27:57.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:28:04.702000+08:00","text":"他們保證他們的對臺政策沒有改變，依然以台灣關係法、美中三公報以及六項保證為指引。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:28:05.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:28:10.628000+08:00","text":"他講得非常清楚，同時他還敦促北京停止對臺灣施加軍事、外交及經濟壓力……對。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:28:10.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:28:10.889000+08:00","text":"這個很清楚，好。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:28:14.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:28:15.391000+08:00","text":"我是不是請國安會上來，接下來比較細節的問題……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T09:28:15.391000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:28:16.391000+08:00","text":"細節的，我請國安會秘書長來說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:28:15.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:28:17.471000+08:00","text":"秘書長，你是不是先請回休息？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T09:28:17.471000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:28:18.471000+08:00","text":"沈委員，早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:28:17.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:29:21.544000+08:00","text":"秘書長，延續剛才我詢問潘秘書長的這些問題，我們現在比較關心的就是川習會只是3天的過程，但是從川普離開北京開始，在空軍一號上面發表意見，接下來甚至可能一直到9月，現在已經確定9月習近平要回訪華府，習近平要到美國訪問，中間這一段時間……我想川習會這3天並不是重點，而是從川普離開北京之後，臺美關係相關議題的辯論、討論在華府會變得非常激烈，而且會變成一個非常主要的議題在華府進行討論。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:29:21.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:29:23.446000+08:00","text":"這個過程國安單位有做什麼樣的準備？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:29:23.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:29:24.066000+08:00","text":"有做什麼樣的因應？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T09:29:25.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:29:26.068000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝委員的垂詢。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T09:29:26.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:29:50.344000+08:00","text":"的確這是一個對臺灣來講非常重要的議題，美國對我們來講是一個非常重要的國家，很多人說是最重要的關係，也因此，我們跟美國之間的關係要保持全面的、友善的關係，不管有什麼樣的發言，我們跟美國的結構性關係都是非常友善的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T09:29:51.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:01.170000+08:00","text":"剛剛潘秘書長也講，我們跟美國的各個層面都保持非常密切的聯絡，所以在媒體上面，最近我們也有看到很多支持臺灣的聲音。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:02.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:13.375000+08:00","text":"我必須要跟委員強調，臺美甚至是全世界都有一個共同的利益，就是臺海和平穩定，在這一方面我們跟美國的立場是一致的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:13.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:16.536000+08:00","text":"不只立場一致，我們的利益一致，利益與共。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:16.536000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:17.536000+08:00","text":"的確，利益一致。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:16.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:26.640000+08:00","text":"事實上現在這些波折，我們只要掌握一件事情，就是臺灣跟美國在臺海和平上面利益是相同的，完全是相同的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:26.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:27.881000+08:00","text":"沒錯，一點都沒有錯。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:28.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:30:50.693000+08:00","text":"所以我剛才講，川普總統離開之後，川習會後他對臺灣議題有各種不同角度的發言，這些發言……事實上，美國國會、眾議院馬上就表達了他們的立場。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:30:50.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:04.646000+08:00","text":"像我們剛剛看到國務院，今天早上國務院也講得很清楚，甚至聯合國秘書長也講這次川習會並沒有任何的重大突破，關鍵都還是在我講的9月習近平回訪。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:04.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:27.333000+08:00","text":"在這過程當中，尤其是現在開始，從川普總統離開北京對外發表這些意見之後，勢必會在華府引起對臺灣議題的一些討論、爭辯，這個都是我們應該要因應的啦！","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:27.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:38.796000+08:00","text":"但是我們掌握住……臺灣跟美國其實在臺海的利益上面是完全一致的，國家利益是一致的，所以基本上這個是可以掌握的。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:39.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:56.203000+08:00","text":"但在一致的國家利益之下，我們如何在接下來的討論裡面，讓華府、讓美國在討論對臺灣議題的時候，能夠更加理解臺灣現在所碰到的困境，更加理解目前臺灣政府所做的努力？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:56.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:31:58.404000+08:00","text":"我想這是最重要的事情，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T09:31:58.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:32:21.684000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，完全贊成委員的意見，除了臺灣必須要面對中國的擴張主義以及軍事威脅之外，第一島鏈的所有國家，通通都必須面對中國的擴張主義，在這一點上面，我相信美國政府、美國國會都非常清楚，在這個立基點上面，我們也會跟美國保持非常密切、友好的關係。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:32:21.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:32:29.914000+08:00","text":"好，因為時間的關係，最後我個人提兩個建議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:32:30.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:32:40.297000+08:00","text":"我相信我們國安單位、總統府各幕僚單位現在都繃緊神經，而且都是全力以赴的在處理相關的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:32:40.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:33:00.634000+08:00","text":"我提兩個建議，第一個，因應現在的狀況，我個人認為，現在我們整個國安團隊，在對美關係上面的團隊隊形，是不是應該要調整跟檢討？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:33:00.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:33:15.143000+08:00","text":"在這個過程裡面，我們是不是能夠更精確的表達，臺灣在整個民主化過程中對維持現狀所做的努力，以及現狀之下臺灣人民對主權的立場？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:33:16.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:33:27.800000+08:00","text":"我認為從現在開始，我們應該可以檢討跟調整整個對美的工作團隊，以因應未來更加重要的時機，這是第一點對美團隊的調整。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:33:32.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:34:04.365000+08:00","text":"第二個，在這個時候，我們除了全面強化對美工作之外，要更加強化其他跟臺灣安全命運與共盟邦之間的溝通，透過命運與共的盟邦，以及他們對臺灣的理解，來影響、形塑整個臺海局勢未來的布局。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:34:05.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:34:26.506000+08:00","text":"我們話不能講得很白，但是我的建議是這樣，希望除了對美以外，同時在這個時候，我們能夠更加強化與我們利益與共、利益一致的這些盟邦，而且透過這些盟邦，大家共同傳達對於臺海和平、我們維持現狀的決心。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:34:27.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:34:35.251000+08:00","text":"對於中國破壞現狀的做法，以及我們所做的相關因應，要讓國際社會及美國了解，我做以上建議，好不好？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T09:34:35.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:34:41.894000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的指教，剛剛第二點就是我們正在努力的方向，委員的看法跟我們的看法完全一致。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-05-21T09:34:42.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:34:42.675000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T09:34:42.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:34:42.695000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:34:43.195000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:34:45.195000+08:00","text":"謝謝沈發惠委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:34:45.495000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:34:48.352143+08:00","text":"接下來請范雲委員詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":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