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一個是紅色警戒高雄可以在一個小時之內就完成撤離1797人那花蓮呢 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mm/hr，這是美濃吉東氣象站所測到的。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:51:47.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:51:50.205000+08:00","text":"你看，稻米大概都倒伏了！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:51:51.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:51:51.766000+08:00","text":"現在的問題是這樣，也想跟部長討論。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:51:51.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:52:17.690000+08:00","text":"現在規定的災損要全區到達20%才會有災損補助，不過從這張照片就可以很清楚看到，右手邊的稻米是比較早種的，也已經結穗，卻在當天的強風與短延時強降雨下倒伏了！","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:52:18.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:52:22.315000+08:00","text":"至於旁邊那一塊地，看起來比較完整，還比較好，因為比較晚種。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:52:24.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:52:41.310000+08:00","text":"因此，種植的時間不一，致結穗的狀態不一，若按照現有標準要全區20%的話，會有很多農民無法取得災損補助。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:52:42.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:52:55.056000+08:00","text":"就他們來講，這些已經結穗的稻米完全倒伏，大概占整體種耕作面積的50%以上！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:52:55.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:04.537000+08:00","text":"部長，有沒有可能採分階段的做法，或分區段的做法來協助農民減少損失？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:05.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:07.058000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員對水稻的關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:07.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:12.422000+08:00","text":"由於水稻天然災害救助與水稻收入保險並行……對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:13.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:30.595000+08:00","text":"至於您剛才講的這些，像屏東地區有一部分是早種的，因為早種，在結穗以後就很容易遇到風而倒伏，卻可能無法達到天然災害救助標準。對。","quality":0.754},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:32.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:38.662000+08:00","text":"雖然標準沒有修正，但我們同仁在5月18號有去看過……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:38.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:39.542000+08:00","text":"你們同仁有下來看……對……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:40.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:46.268000+08:00","text":"因為都是用全區的平均在計算，所以當然達不到所謂的全區標準。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:46.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:50.232000+08:00","text":"所以有沒有可能就針對真實的災情？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:51.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:59.097000+08:00","text":"即針對現況，畢竟有的已經整個田都倒伏了，若要比照美濃整個全區的耕作面積？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:59.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:00.157000+08:00","text":"那當然達不到！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季：這分成兩個部分","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:01.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:15.046000+08:00","text":"第一個，天然災害救助等相關辦法可能要做調整，但在還沒有調整之前，針對比較早種倒伏的部分，可以用專案方式來協助。好。","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:17.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:25.613000+08:00","text":"因為倒伏以後，收穫會相對比較困難；若有困難，收穫費用就會比較高一點。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:25.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:28.955000+08:00","text":"所以有沒有可能在這方面以專案方式來協助？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:29.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:29.756000+08:00","text":"會後我會請……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:29.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:30.316000+08:00","text":"是不是請農業部研究一下？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:30.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:31.096000+08:00","text":"對，我會請農糧署去了解一下。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:31.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:41.422000+08:00","text":"至於後續要不要修改天然災害救助的相關規則，屆時我們再看要怎麼樣處理。好。","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:41.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:58.348000+08:00","text":"部長，我想這也是要請您協助，對農民來講，這樣子的倒伏其實他的損失非常巨大，但是如果達不到全區20%的話，他就沒有辦法收到所謂的災損補助，所以這個部分也請部長給予協助。會。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:58.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:16.031000+08:00","text":"好，接下來我想要請教一下，今天我們要來談所謂的防災、防汛的整治，包括特別提到馬太鞍溪，我是不是請相關的部會，包括災防辦、國土署、水利署是不是都能夠一併上來？","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:16.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:56.365000+08:00","text":"我請教一下各單位，115年度的總預算其實到現在還沒有過，115年度的總預算還沒過，但是在上一次，某一次院會的時候，我們曾經表決了有一部分的排水經費是有先行通過，請農業部、水利署、國土署就你們各主管的這些預算，是不是能夠來簡略說明一下，這些錢你們現在打算怎麼用？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:57.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:58.406000+08:00","text":"能夠用多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T09:56:00.786000+08:00","guessed":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rt":"2026-05-21T09:59:25.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:59:26.826000+08:00","text":"現在才準備要核定啊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:59:27.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:59:30.829000+08:00","text":"是因為預算還沒下來，所以你們不敢提前做，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-21T09:59:30.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:59:46.342000+08:00","text":"沒有，那一筆是已經可以去動支的，我們已經有跟部長報告過，有些前置作業也拜託縣市政府先開始啟動，這個部分都有講了，排水的預算，我想各縣市政府提出來的需求非常多，當然如果依照這個需求來看是不夠的。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-21T09:59:46.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:59:46.922000+08:00","text":"以上報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:59:47.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:59:47.182000+08:00","text":"災防辦呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T09:59:50.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:28.521000+08:00","text":"我請教一個最基本的問題，這一張圖您看一下，高雄跟花蓮的比較，同樣是颱風的撤離，一個是黃色警戒，一個是紅色警戒，高雄可以在1個小時之內就完成撤離1,797人，可是花蓮超過30個小時沒有辦法撤離，超過8,000人沒有辦法撤離，我要問的是，這一些名單，比如說該撤離的名單，不只花蓮，未來這一些有可能的紅色土石流警戒區周遭的這些名冊，災防辦有沒有辦法掌握？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:28.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:30.081000+08:00","text":"有沒有辦法全程掌握？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:30.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:34.843000+08:00","text":"有沒有辦法落實撤離的動作？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄒副主任勳元","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:35.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:53.750000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們這一次，剛剛在報告中有提到，高雄的六龜我們就有親身去看，其實縣市政府，包括第一線的公所這邊，對於土石流洪荒警戒，或者是水災的保全戶，或者是易成孤島地區的名冊，其實都會有確實的掌握，甚至在汛期前……","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:54.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:56.751000+08:00","text":"你講的是六龜，我們當然是全程掌握啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄒副主任勳元","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:56.751000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:57.751000+08:00","text":"是，每個縣市其實都要做這件事情。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:57.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:01:18.023000+08:00","text":"你現在不要拿高雄來比啦，高雄我們是全程掌握，包括誰住在哪裡，里長都要確實掌握，誰把他背下山，誰把他載去哪裡，這個被撤離的居民住在哪裡，誰在負責照顧他，誰來負責送餐，高雄市的SOP都非常清楚，我要請教的是，那花蓮呢？","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:01:19.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:01:20.145000+08:00","text":"臺東呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:01:20.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:01:21.866000+08:00","text":"其他的地區呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:01:22.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:01:29.092000+08:00","text":"未來如果有發生這樣子大規模的災難，該撤離的時候，這一些名冊你們有沒有掌握？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:01:29.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:01:30.553000+08:00","text":"有沒有辦法掌握？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:01:31.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:01:33.315000+08:00","text":"有沒有辦法落實下去執行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄒副主任勳元","start":"2026-05-21T10:01:34.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:01:51.289000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這些名單固定在每一年汛期前的整備，全部縣市政府都要把它盤點清楚，我們這一次到地方去訪視的時候，也有逐一去看他們的保全清冊是不是有更新到最新的狀態，所以災防辦跟地方政府這邊，對於這些名單都有確實的掌握。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"鄒副主任勳元","start":"2026-05-21T10:01:52.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:02:03.278000+08:00","text":"當然剛剛委員提到，關於撤離的速度跟效率的部分，某些縣市政府在執行時，不管是經驗上或者是落實度上，有差異，這個部分災防辦會持續去輔導他們。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:02:03.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:02:04.359000+08:00","text":"這個我想是這樣啦。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:02:04.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:02:28.834000+08:00","text":"今天雖然排定的議程是在講馬太鞍溪，但是全臺灣的紅色土石流、紅色溪流，其實還是非常的多，該防的，該做整備的，不是只有一個馬太鞍溪，既然災防辦會主責這些所有的事情，就應該要結合各部會關於這一些防災的演練需求。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:02:29.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:02:57.515000+08:00","text":"比如說我剛剛講國土署蔡署長，他在這一方面就相當有經驗，因為他在高雄被磨這麼久了，每次只要高雄出現水災，他當水利局局長的時候，他都是第一線到現場去看，所以他是非常有經驗，這一些經驗不只是做在高雄，應該是全臺去分享，哪一些地方有這樣子的需求，或者是這個SOP其實都應該要比照辦理，比照把它建立起來。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:02:57.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:03:13.152000+08:00","text":"當然我比較關心的，除了這些SOP的建置，包括撤離的完成以外，重點是經費的需求，我也要特別藉這個機會懇請我們的主席，是不是能夠趕快排審經濟部的預算？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:03:14.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:03:33.545000+08:00","text":"這個總預算我們4月22號就已經詢答完了，到現在正好今天滿一個月，是不是能夠趕快把我們的總預算排審，今年已經快過一半了，可是今年的總預算到現在還沒審，馬上9月份明年的總預算又要來了，這個我也要幫你們請命，沒有錢你們什麼事情都做不了。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:03:34.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:03:35.226000+08:00","text":"在這裡講治災防洪，沒錢是要怎麼治災防洪？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:03:35.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:03:36.167000+08:00","text":"要買抽水機，沒有錢怎麼買抽水機？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:03:36.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:03:48.795000+08:00","text":"現在先撥一筆預算給你，但是這個預算萬一到時候在審總預算的時候又被砍，那你的錢從哪裡來？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:03:48.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:03:59.283000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分我還是要特別請我們的會議主席能夠多多支持，既然大家這麼關心治災防洪的總預算，預算的錢一定要給足、給夠。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-05-21T10:03:59.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:03:59.303000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:03:59.803000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:04:01.517286+08:00","text":"好，謝謝邱委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:04:01.817286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:04:05.531571+08:00","text":"接下來我們請鄭天財委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}