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理解齁我完全理解這狀態不過我在想說我們在做很多政策當中我們是要很多東西能夠先行啦齁那所以說這是一個目前在美國他們都在做這樣的事情那我在想說我們如果透過一個洪水險的一個部分來說"},{"start":421.317,"end":436.655,"text":"同時也可以透過一個經濟的力量當中的時候來解決這相關的一個問題一個思考的一個方向是 謝謝那謝謝 那我想說請那個內政部先生先回我接下來請教水利署這個部分因為我們訊息到了嘛然後之前我看到中央在"},{"start":437.736,"end":453.603,"text":"盤點中央管的那個河川的相關部分有特別提到有31件破題的施工案件就還沒有完成或者還沒有施工這31件破題施工的案件的時候有沒有在新竹地區的然後他們31件情況是怎麼樣可以簡單做個回應"},{"start":456.085,"end":476.374,"text":"目前我們事實上應該跟委員這樣報告每年針對續期前所有的施工的缺口就是我們查核的重點我們是多項查核我們河川分署會自己自主檢查以外我們水利署本身也會去做全部的一個抽檢"},{"start":476.934,"end":492.245,"text":"目前講說要實施監控我是在想說監控跟能夠防水這部分當然是有一定的一個差距針對這31件還沒有完成或者還沒有執行的狀態有沒有在大新竹地區"},{"start":494.54,"end":506.63,"text":"新竹沒有新竹都沒有好那另外的部分我這邊也特別再提到一下部分就是因為我們在之前718的那個先動制的預算當中的時候有針對那個"},{"start":510.711,"end":524.292,"text":"因應氣候變遷 縣市管河川及排水整體改善計畫因為剛剛31件是中央管的河川針對縣市管的河川的計畫當中說我們有大概有35億左右的一個經費目前開始動資了沒"},{"start":526.587,"end":546.696,"text":"我們整個這個經費總共是100億的部分是我們目前在5月6號就已經正式開會因為行政院通知我們去開始進行發包的工作本來我們在年初都是先做先起的作業因為預防說"},{"start":549.597,"end":566.695,"text":"立法院這邊核准以後怕時間來不及所以我們都先做相關的發包前置工作都做完了那5月6號也正式開會請各個縣市政府可以正式去發包了所以我們有信心這一百億的錢可以如期來支付"},{"start":567.756,"end":586.543,"text":"針對這部分,因為國家氣候變遷委員會有報告指出因為整個環境的變遷所以我們對整個防洪標準這邊的時候會不會有所改進讓地方政府他們去做的時候能夠有更精準的依據之後的KPI值能夠達到一個更接近實際的狀態"},{"start":588.124,"end":616.154,"text":"是 我想這個防洪標準的部分隨著氣候變遷影響確實會有一定程度的影響那但是我想目前的治理率只有45%我們是應該在這個經費有限之下應該做系統化治理先把它達成它應有的整條核心的一個達成可是你特別提到治理率只有45%我覺得這部分其實也是我們多次在要求的一個部分"},{"start":616.894,"end":640.475,"text":"那麼希望這邊的時候能夠有效的一個提高那我最後的部分想問一個有關於新竹海淡廠的一個部分因為總統跟卓培都希望27年能夠如期完工明年就27年了能夠如期完工那我們也非常的期待因為它對整個大新竹的供水確實是一個很重要的部分那我們看到了去年的那個"},{"start":642.316,"end":669.353,"text":"預算的實現率我不知道有沒有因為年底的時候只有兩成到七月只有兩成到年底的時候是不是有是 我跟委員報告一下因為海水淡化廠它的一個施工的狀況跟一般的工程不一樣它要大型那個最貴的那一些模組機器到位以後錢才會上來理解所以今年提高非常多嘛今年提高非常多現在進度都正常"},{"start":671.494,"end":685.185,"text":"我們現在最困難的海管工程都已經掌握了最困難是海管工程那我們這個掌握以後我們明年4月一定可以準時來出水沒有問題OK一定可以準時出水沒有問題開始採水沒有問題那我們也期待謝謝我們會來努力謝謝謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:17:21.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:17:35.154000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請經濟部何晉滄次長、水利署林元鵬署長、內政部吳堂安次長，還有國土署蔡長展署長。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:17:35.154000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:17:37.496000+08:00","text":"好，請經濟部何次長、水利署林署長、內政部吳次長、國土署蔡署長。","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:17:37.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:17:37.676000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:17:39.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:17:39.298000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:17:40.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:17:51.417000+08:00","text":"因為汛期快到了，謝謝主席今天特別安排這樣一個針對全臺各縣市汛期防洪防災工程準備，以及馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後復原的工作報告。","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:17:53.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:18:39.072000+08:00","text":"從民國100年開始，政府對於日益嚴峻的極端氣候，水利署就開始執行多項跨年度的水災防災計畫，建立智慧化監控、早期預警系統，還有改進應變措施，特別是在智慧化監控部分，應用範圍非常廣，像新竹市消防局就針對所有地下道導入AI深度學習影像辨識模型系統，坦白說，也有一個初步的效果，所以我們今天談到汛期中有關災害防治的部分，除了講災害防治外，也希望能夠針對預警或者防患未然的部分，跟經濟部、內政部做個請教。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:18:44.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:19:51.847000+08:00","text":"根據經濟部出流管制計畫書與規劃書審核監督及免辦認定辦法，其中有特別規定一個狀態，即臺灣的建築法規，對於開發面積在1公頃以上的公共工程和民間工程，都有要求滯洪空間的設置，至於1公頃以下的小型建築基地，則有各縣市自治規定在做相關要求，目前比較大的挑戰，就是公共工程部分，可能都會有專責單位巡檢，而民間建案有關滯洪空間部分，則可能在取得使照之後，其後續是怎樣的情況，我們可能就不一定知道，所以本席思考的是，整個智慧化監控的部分，是不是有可能把民間大型開發建設跟政府防災網路系統連結起來，像現在汛期時，就可以把包括民間在內的滯洪系統都空庫待命，這部分請經濟部和內政部簡單回應。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:19:51.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:19:53.047000+08:00","text":"我請林署長回答。可以。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:19:54.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:20:30.698000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝委員提出這個蠻前瞻的思考，事實上，我們所有智慧化系統，包含你剛剛特別提到的，像很多的感知器或者AI辨識，這個我們都有納入，現在列管的是比較大型的滯洪池，全臺有179個，至於你剛剛提到有一些開發單位比較小型的類似這種出流管制的小型蓄洪池，如果要整併進來的話，量可能會很大，但這個部分可以跟縣市政府合作看看，是不是……","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:20:32.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:20:55.155000+08:00","text":"今天我們討論的是汛期防災、防洪的問題，既然現有的法律規定都已經有做這樣的要求，而很多時候，我們在做防災時就是積少成多，如果有適合的部分，把很多很多小型滯洪池透過我們的智慧辨識系統串聯起來，我想也許能夠針對……","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:20:55.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:21:12.005000+08:00","text":"是，我想是應該這樣子，有一些規模比較大的，像科學園區，它的類似這種出流管制的量是很大的，這個我們可以把它連結在一起，但如果是1公頃，它的量只有幾十噸，可能就不適合……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:21:12.005000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:21:13.005000+08:00","text":"理解、理解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:21:12.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:21:25.634000+08:00","text":"所以我們可能要訂一個門檻，到一定規模才納進來，因為這些都是縣市政府在抽查管理的，所以我們要考慮到實務的狀況，只要量超過多大……","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:21:25.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:21:28.275000+08:00","text":"除了防災、防洪災外，我們也希望防患未然……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:21:28.275000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:21:29.275000+08:00","text":"是可以考慮的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:21:29.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:21:37.921000+08:00","text":"希望政策能夠先行，請內政部針對這個部分，也做一個簡單回應。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"吳次長堂安","start":"2026-05-21T10:21:37.921000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:21:38.921000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳次長堂安","start":"2026-05-21T10:21:38.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:21:40.262000+08:00","text":"是不是直接請署長就相關規定說明？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:21:40.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:21:40.282000+08:00","text":"可以，謝謝。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-21T10:21:42.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:21:57.769000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，大概分為兩個，一個是市區裡都市計畫公園的部分，這個部分我們有跟縣市政府依照都市計畫法的一些相關規定，在一些雨水下水道系統裡再去增闢滯洪池，也就是把它低地化。是。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-21T10:21:58.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:22:22.980000+08:00","text":"另外，在建築物的本體，如果超過1公頃，當然就要依照水利署的規定做出流管制，1公頃以下的，每個縣市政府還會再另外訂一些比較嚴格的規定，做一些雨水的貯留，這個部分也屬於綠建築的一部分，所以每個縣市政府其實都有在做這方面的推動，我們也會積極去跟縣市政府說明，希望把這方面的明確方向再訂定清楚。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:22:23.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:23:21.490000+08:00","text":"OK，謝謝，因為整個氣候變遷的問題，包括我們國家的氣候變遷科學報告也都已經指出，過去五十年才發生一次大降雨，現在可能十年就會發生一次，所以很多防洪標準應該都會有所調整，而針對防患於未然，我這邊也特別提到洪水險的部分，因為美國、法國其實都有政府的介入，透過洪水險，變成一個政策性的要求來解決相關問題，經濟部、內政部現在在災害防救法部分都有災害救助金的制度，但我們希望在法制上，能夠把政府救助的部分轉型變成是保險理賠的狀態，這樣一個趨勢，不知道內政部跟經濟部覺得有沒有可行性？","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:23:24.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:23:56.472000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個議題我們其實曾經檢討過，也找過產險公會來討論，不過在臺灣他們普遍的認知、一般民眾會認為久久才淹一次，所以投保意願都很低，就像車險為什麼保得那麼低一樣，房屋的淹水險更是如此，幾乎很少淹水，所以也就很少人有投保意願，產險公會認為在目前的市場機制下，可能這個商業行為還沒有具備。","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:23:56.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:24:17.563000+08:00","text":"OK，理解，我完全理解這個狀態，不過我們在做很多政策時，有時候希望很多東西可以先行，目前美國、法國都有在做這樣的事情，如果我們可以透過洪水險，同時也可以透過經濟的力量來解決相關問題，這也是一個思考方向。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:24:17.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:24:18.484000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:24:18.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:24:21.328000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，內政部請先回座。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:24:21.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:24:23.050000+08:00","text":"接下來我要請教水利署。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:24:24.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:24:42.462000+08:00","text":"因為汛期到了，之前我看到中央在盤點中央管的河川部分，有特別提到有31件破堤施工案件還沒有完成或還沒有施工，請問這31件破堤施工的案件有沒有在新竹地區的？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:24:43.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:24:44.283000+08:00","text":"又這31件目前的情況怎麼樣？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:24:44.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:24:44.603000+08:00","text":"可不可以簡單做個回應？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:24:49.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:25:08.094000+08:00","text":"事實上應該跟委員這樣報告，每年針對汛期前，所有這種施工的缺口就是我們查核的重點，我們是多項查核，除了河川分署會自主檢查以外，水利署本身也會去做全部的抽檢，目前新竹沒有……","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:25:11.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:25:23.245000+08:00","text":"我是在想，監控跟能夠防水當然是有一定的差距，針對這31件還沒有完成或者還沒有執行的狀態，有沒有在大新竹地區發生？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:25:25.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:25:26+08:00","text":"新竹沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:25:26.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:25:27.582000+08:00","text":"新竹都沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:25:27.582000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:25:28.583000+08:00","text":"新竹沒有。好。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:25:28.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:25:55.272000+08:00","text":"另外，我也特別再提到一下，因為在之前718億先行動支預算當中，有一個因應氣候變遷縣市管河川及排水整體改善計畫，因為剛剛那31件是中央管的河川，針對縣市管河川的計畫，大概有35億左右的經費，請問目前開始動支了沒？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:25:57.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:26:03.710000+08:00","text":"我們整個經費總共是100億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:26:03.710000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:26:04.710000+08:00","text":"對，連一般性補助有100億。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:26:03.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:26:37.515000+08:00","text":"100億的部分目前在5月6號就已經正式開會，因為行政院通知我們開始進行發包的工作，本來我們在年初都是先做先期的作業，因為怕立法院這邊核准以後時間會來不及，所以我們都先做相關的發包，把前置工作都先做完，5月6號也正式開會，請各縣市政府可以正式去發包了，所以我們有信心這100億的錢可以如期來執行，沒有問題。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:26:38.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:26:57.543000+08:00","text":"針對這部分我剛才有特別提到，國家氣候變遷委員會有報告指出，因為整個環境的變遷，所以我們整個防洪標準會不會有所改進，讓地方政府去做的時候，能夠有一個更精準的依據，讓之後的KPI值能夠達到一個更接近實際的狀態。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:27:00.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:27:20.611000+08:00","text":"防洪標準的部分，隨著氣候變遷，確實會有一定程度的影響，但是目前的治理率只有45%，我們在經費有限的情況下，應該做系統化治理，先讓其達成應有的、整條河系的一個……","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:27:20.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:27:30.236000+08:00","text":"你特別提到治理率只有45%，我覺得這其實也是我們多次要求的，希望這個部分能夠有效的提高。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:27:31.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:27:48.732000+08:00","text":"最後我想問有關於新竹海淡廠的部分，因為總統跟卓揆都希望2027年能夠如期完工，明年就是2027年，希望能夠如期完工，我們也非常期待，因為對整個大新竹的供水確實是一個很重要的部分。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:27:49.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:28:01.021000+08:00","text":"此外，我看到去年的預算實現率，到7月底只有兩成，請問到年底的時候是不是能如預期的提高呢？","quality":0.641},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:28:03.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:28:16.670000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為海水淡化廠的施工狀況跟一般工程不一樣，是要大型的、最貴的一些模組機器到位以後，錢才會上來。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:28:16.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:28:18.712000+08:00","text":"理解，所以今年提高非常的多。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T10:28:20.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:28:35.444000+08:00","text":"其實都如預期，現在進度都正常，最困難的海管工程都已經掌握了，最困難的是海管工程，在我們掌握以後，明年4月一定可以準時出水，沒有問題。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-05-21T10:28:35.444000+08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