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競速來協助地方趕快把這些水利的工程競速來完成市長這個有沒有問題這個應該不會有問題這不會有問題啦 38項競速來合併啦好 謝謝那另外國土部署也說明一下我們大概也有7項是下水道的一些補助部分 這個有沒有問題"},{"start":547.25,"end":564.645,"text":"來 蔡署長報告委員 那個這些案件我們會上一次是有開過會那有一些資料要地方補件那補件完以後我想這個部分應該沒問題這些案件我都很清楚 謝謝好 所以補件完對 因為署長也是從高雄出身所以很清楚 那會全力支持啦會 好 謝謝"},{"start":566.607,"end":595.847,"text":"那最後未來的六年的5531億這個跨水域的跨部會的一個治水的一個計畫我也希望來大力推動那最後再問一個沿海地區的部分我們現在過去做了防災型的電感地下化這個成效都相當好像幾次的颱風山頭颱風來的時候其實從小港跟我前陣子那邊的登陸但事實上我們電線感的狀況其實因為地下化了所以就很好那未來是不是你請"},{"start":596.887,"end":619.906,"text":"部裡面能不能持續來推動這個政策好不好好因為我們在防災型的時候有時候你遇到這樣的問題電線廠整個吹斷那個16、7級的強風電廠推斷整個電力的復原那高雄又是電力的重鎮我們幾乎輸送系統上上都電力出去我希望這一塊經濟部要大力支持台電大力支持來加速地下化的工程好嗎好好謝謝市長謝謝委員好"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}