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碳費開增以設備開換的這個壓力同步會增加到我們整個傳統產業的一個成本所以我要具體的請問"},{"start":340.544,"end":342.125,"text":"那在這樣整頓之後我們經濟部政府怎麼樣協助我們的傳統產業能夠真正的轉型成功節能減碳在他們的一個財務配置以及差異化的輔導"},{"start":356.132,"end":363.7,"text":"你們預計要怎麼做跟我們報告我們有檢探的這個診斷輔導團完了之後我們會給他一個診斷報告書那這個診斷報告書那企業他就可以依據這個診斷報告書如果做設備汰換那我們有設備汰換的補助所以我們會整套的就是把輔導然後到診斷然後再到這個補助"},{"start":378.475,"end":406.736,"text":"這個政策本席就具體告訴你是非常的對的一個方向但是要能夠去落實我中小企業很會做但是你知道我怎麼去診斷我怎麼去轉型我怎麼樣去汰換第一個我要能力量能要能夠夠第二個這一個金錢啊成本的量能要夠所以你們必須要去規劃我診斷出來我怎麼協助我的這中小企業"},{"start":407.757,"end":422.27,"text":"大概補助會有多少啊 比例會有多少 請教是 當然我們這個補助計畫是要按照按照他的這個計畫的內容來提供這個審查所以我們節能診斷的這個輔導的報告然後我們會來提供他這個補助的一個金額你預計慣例的預算有多少"},{"start":433.305,"end":451.996,"text":"因為你從今年到明年我們要未雨綢繆整頓出來我們怎麼協助我們的中小企業報告委員這部分的話我們每年也編相關的一些所謂的設備的一些補助的一些費用不是每年你就是現在從今年到明年2026年到2027年請針對"},{"start":455.29,"end":472.236,"text":"提問的內容回答好嗎我們這部分的話 相關的預算的部分我們再跟委員辦公室來做說明那比較細部的一些預算的匡列多少市長你知道嗎我們再來 因為我們有不同的項目當然是不同的項目但是你一定有匡列一個總額啊大致多少"},{"start":473.116,"end":474.218,"text":"市長你這麼回答本是不同意你身為經濟部的次長你不能這樣回答"},{"start":488.191,"end":497.439,"text":"我們既然對於中小企業 我們也是你們經濟部的政策啊你不知道你就說不知道 不要這樣子回答好嗎 大家互相好 請你把總額數字給本席我們怎麼樣來協助 一定要推動成功好 接下來我請經濟 請那個農業部"},{"start":514.185,"end":534.75,"text":"部長 我們大班風災之後我們提出了今年預計要培訓370名那我們也預計今年要完成土砂動態的一個分析這非常重要那這370名跟這個土砂動態分析這個我們在今年會完成吧"},{"start":536.171,"end":550.684,"text":"應該年底會 之前會完成好 大家辛苦一定要完成因為導入了AI的影像辨識跟衛星的監測預計這個可以救命而且可以讓我們地方能夠安全的發展本席全力支持"},{"start":551.344,"end":570.156,"text":"但是本席具體建議我個人建議你也就是說針對譬如說我們台中大甲溪等這些高風險的一個流域當然你們包括了五大流域那現行的這個土石防災專員通報系統跟AI土砂石的一個監測平台"},{"start":571.917,"end":587.282,"text":"你們是不是必須要把它建制完成必須要整合成為一體作為建制的一個系統資訊可以未來讓我們地方政府可以作為我們防災的一個重要的一個指標跟指引"},{"start":588.343,"end":602.164,"text":"謝謝委員的建議我想我們一定會朝這個方向做特別是您剛才所提到的那個大甲溪的流域裡面它事實上現在目前就有一些土砂那就必須趕快去清但是清了這個地方可能其他的地方也要同步處理才有它的效果對"},{"start":603.326,"end":622.315,"text":"所以要做一個整體性 我的具體建議人跟你的系統性 一定要橫向結盟在一起成為一體性的一個監測體系作為應變的一個指令同意這個方向吧?欸 百分之百同意 一定要落實最後我請交通部"},{"start":632.003,"end":655.891,"text":"市長您好 我們針對台中國際機場我們的醞釀成長在去年我們是171萬人次今年絕對會超過300萬人次那我們的航班使用率也已經達到95%所以航廈的服務跟整個滑行的一個容量都到了一個極限但是交通部給我們規劃是在2045年做一個整體性的一個規劃換句話說"},{"start":658.192,"end":682.712,"text":"我們所產生的量能跟你未來規劃的一體性是緩不濟急是緩不濟急所以在這樣的一個情況之下需求先爆發建設後追趕本席認為這樣子對我們中部地區來講是非常的不公平請教像這樣量能爆發的一個情況你們要怎麼樣協助怎麼處理"},{"start":684.233,"end":701.898,"text":"好謝謝委員那台中機場去年確實運量比疫情前都超過了包含航點航班還有旅客量都超過但是它的容量在我們在112到114年有三項大計畫我們台中機場有擴建整個容量可以到369萬"},{"start":703.898,"end":725.536,"text":"所以我預估今年一定會超過300萬嗎是那第二個議題是您剛提到2045我想這邊要跟委員特別報告我們每5年會滾動往前20年的規劃所以它是2025年滾到2045說好這一個滾動提出這20年內要先建哪些事情好這一個滾動我們直接討論"},{"start":726.697,"end":754.787,"text":"也就是你滑行道不足你還會偵測第三跑道嗎第三條滑行道嗎因為這一個國際機場是沒有自己的滑行道目前兩條都是國防部的除了國防部我們有增建聯絡滑行道跟機坪那目前在整理的這個2045計畫裡面先期會先推動滑行道的改善第二個也會有第三航廈的增建"},{"start":756.227,"end":782.797,"text":"華行道改善不是本席所提出的這個改善當然要改善但是本席是說能不能再兼增設第三華行道這才是重點啊是 這我們來規劃來規劃 一定要規劃 這很重要行家的容量平均跟他的轉債嫩性整個轉帳的嫩性它是不足的 怎麼樣改善"},{"start":783.137,"end":808.763,"text":"跟委員報告因為這一個清泉幹事軍機場為主它大部分的面積是國防部的那當然它有同意楊溪區跑道以西要來提供民航使用所以目前我們正在準備進入楊溪區開始拓展跟民航維修區以及華清道的增建所以這幾個部分後續我們規劃完成會來跟委員做個說明一個結論"},{"start":810.163,"end":816.945,"text":"它不是只有一個local型的機場它是整個中台灣產業跟觀光的一個國際門戶既然定位為國際機場我們就該當要有國際機場的一個配置跟配備跟服務所以針對於台中國際機場清晨剛機場航道不足剛剛次長有說"},{"start":836.69,"end":860.27,"text":"第三條這個滑行道我們同意要增設這是第一個第二個 好 航廈容量瓶頸要必須去做改善就純如我們上個禮拜才跟這個交通部部長也認為這是對不起民眾的哪有那個六點以後就沒有人服務的這不行所以人員怎麼配置我們做過的調整還有一個"},{"start":864.634,"end":880.109,"text":"轉嫁韌性不足的這個問題必須要立即改善市長是轉機的部分因為這邊目前航班大部分是OD型就是起氣型那其他的轉運的部分我們會試航班的運轉來調整"},{"start":881.718,"end":903.979,"text":"一定要好好的去整體性的一個規劃跟調整讓我們真正成為國際機場那也將你們第三條滑行到你們現在預估的要怎麼樣建置的時間流程表跟航廈的一個改善時間流程表請順便資料給本席我們一起建構真正中台灣國際機場謝謝是 謝謝委員"},{"start":907.242,"end":911.543,"text":"好 謝謝楊瓊穎委員待會兒洪煜祥委員質詢完畢後休息8分鐘"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:39:14.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:39:23.293000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請經濟部次長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:39:23.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:39:23.513000+08:00","text":"請經濟部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:39:32.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:39:33.526000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:39:33.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:39:33.526000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:39:35.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:40:17.605000+08:00","text":"總統宣布了將推出8年1,000億的中小微傳統產業加速振興經濟方案，我們也知道，在臺灣有將近171萬家，所以個人認為8年1,000億這個數字是不夠的，我每一次在任何的場合都要求，我們一定要好好的協助臺灣產業最重要的功勞者，也就是我們的中小企業，因為我們有將近95%都是中小企業所累積出來的產業鏈以及產值，所以沒有理由不照顧中小企業，對不對？對。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:40:17.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:40:18.446000+08:00","text":"你說「對」，那我們繼續來討論，你們預計這8年1,000億要怎麼做？","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:40:26.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:40:59.700000+08:00","text":"當然現在中小企業面臨非常多的問題，包括轉型升級有很多是雙重轉型，比方說智慧化、低碳化，當然還有一些缺工的問題，對於這些問題，我們希望都能夠提供產業協助，讓他們在技術、在市場甚至在留才、攬才上面能夠有一些更具競爭力的做法，我們會把這些預算用在這個部分。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:41:00.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:41:19.310000+08:00","text":"好，你看到了我們中小企業的努力跟需求，像缺工、原物料上漲、數位轉型、淨零碳排等壓力讓中小企業喘不過氣，你既然看到了這些問題，你預計要怎麼協助？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:41:19.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:41:19.390000+08:00","text":"有什麼方案？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:41:22.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:41:25.692000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實現在龔部長也成立了一個產業競爭力輔導團，在北、中、南都有各種不同的法人、學校和產業專家，我們就由這個輔導團來協助這些傳統產業發展。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:41:25.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:41:26.192000+08:00","text":"這是你們目前在做的，請針對我的問題回答。是。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:41:26.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:41:53.358000+08:00","text":"關於總統先生所說的8年1,000億預算，你們細部的架構是要怎麼樣去協助？","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:41:54.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:01.680000+08:00","text":"讓我們的中小企業看得到也吃得到，而不是只有口號，不是只有計畫型，請教要怎麼申請？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:02.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:08.021000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實對這些相關機制我們會訂定一套中小企業轉型升級……","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:08.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:09.941000+08:00","text":"什麼時候要訂出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:10.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:17.882000+08:00","text":"我剛剛也有跟委員報告，就是我們希望能夠在立法院下個會期9月份的時候把這個方案送交到委員會這邊。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:18.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:43.260000+08:00","text":"我覺得這個邏輯很奇怪，總統在520這麼重要的關鍵時刻公告，大家引領企盼，有什麼政策說出來，給我們一個原則，8年1,000億是要來協助中小微傳統企業的轉型，但是我們的行政部門到現在還沒有提出方案，這個邏輯太奇怪了！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:43.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:45.302000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實我們對中小企業的輔導在目前就有一個中小微企業的多元振興計畫。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:45.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:05.825000+08:00","text":"不要再只是一個口號，您說要到9月份，現在才5月21號，你們到9月份才要提出方案，我覺得這個時間是不對的。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:06.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:11.428000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我剛剛提到的是條例，因為我們還要把這個條例送請立法院審議。","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:12.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:13.589000+08:00","text":"本席具體要求你們加速。是。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:14.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:21.533000+08:00","text":"我具體要求加速，我們都有在開會，我們都期盼趕快提出，趕快協助我們的中小企業。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:21.533000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:22.533000+08:00","text":"會，我們會趕快，會馬上提出那個方案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:21.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:21.913000+08:00","text":"不要再等到9月份，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:21.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:22.913000+08:00","text":"絕對不會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:21.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:22.494000+08:00","text":"現在通膨讓大家每一天壓力都很大。是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:22.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:23.795000+08:00","text":"你也說「是」，所以就要趕快去做，要加速。是。","quality":0.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樣協助？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:36.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:36.692000+08:00","text":"怎麼處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:38.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:57.978000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，臺中機場去年的運量確實相比疫情前都超過了，包含航點、航班還有旅客量都超過，但是它的容量，我們在112到114年有三項大計畫，臺中機場有擴建，整個容量可以到369萬，所以目前還是可以handle。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:58.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:00.460000+08:00","text":"所以我預估今年一定會超過300萬嘛。是。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:01.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:11.670000+08:00","text":"第二個議題是您剛剛提到的2045年，我想這邊要跟委員特別報告，我們每5年會滾動往前20年來規劃，所以是從2025年滾動到2045年的預測……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:12.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:14.432000+08:00","text":"好，這一個滾動……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:14.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:17.555000+08:00","text":"那他會提出這20年內要先建哪些事情……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:17.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:25.919000+08:00","text":"好，這個滾動我們直接討論，也就是滑行道不足，你還會增設第三跑道嗎？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:25.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:28.040000+08:00","text":"第三條滑行道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:28.040000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:29.040000+08:00","text":"應該是會……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:28.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:34.662000+08:00","text":"因為這個國際機場沒有自己的滑行道，目前兩條都是國防部的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:35.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:48.767000+08:00","text":"除了國防部，我們有增建聯絡滑行道跟機坪，目前在整理的2045計畫裡面先期會先推動滑行道的改善，第二個也會有第三航廈的增建，這些議題……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:50.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:02.652000+08:00","text":"滑行道改善不是本席所提出的，改善當然要改善，但是本席是說能不能再增設第三滑行道，這才是重點啊。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:02.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:03.792000+08:00","text":"是，這個我們來規劃，委員的意見我們納進來……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:03.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:07.333000+08:00","text":"一定要規劃，這個很重要……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:07.333000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:08.634000+08:00","text":"對，因為今天……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:08.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:16.777000+08:00","text":"航廈的容量瓶頸跟它的轉降韌性，整個轉降的韌性是不足的，怎麼樣改善？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:17.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:42.543000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為清泉崗是以軍機場為主，他大部分的面積是國防部的，當然他有同意陽西區跑道以西要提供民航使用，目前我們正在準備進入陽西區開始拓展跟民航維修區以及滑行道的增建，所以這幾個部分，後續我們規劃完成會來跟委員做個說明。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:42.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:47.124000+08:00","text":"一個結論，它不只是一個local型的機場……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:47.124000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:48.124000+08:00","text":"是，它是整個區域的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:47.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:48.144000+08:00","text":"它是整個中臺灣產業跟觀光的國際門戶。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:48.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:49.704000+08:00","text":"既然定位為國際機場，我們就該當要有國際機場的配置、配備跟服務。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:49.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:16.135000+08:00","text":"所以針對臺中國際機場（清泉崗機場）航道不足，剛剛次長有說，我們同意要增設第三條滑行道，這是第一個……","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:16.135000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:17.135000+08:00","text":"我們評估來規劃。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:16.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:34.170000+08:00","text":"第二個，航廈容量瓶頸必須要改善，就誠如我們上個禮拜才跟交通部，部長也認為這是對不起民眾的，哪有6點以後就沒有人服務的，這不行，所以人員怎麼配置，我們做過了調整。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:34.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:44.319000+08:00","text":"還有一個是轉降韌性不足的問題，必須要立即改善，次長。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:44.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:54.089000+08:00","text":"是，轉機的部分，因為這邊目前航班大部分是OD型，就是起迄型，那其他轉運的部分，我們會視航班的運轉來調整。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:55.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:14.876000+08:00","text":"一定要好好的去做整體性的規劃跟調整，讓我們真正成為國際機場，也將你們現在預估的第三條滑行道要怎麼樣建置的時間流程表跟航廈改善的時間流程表，請書面資料給本席……","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:14.876000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:15.876000+08:00","text":"好，我們規劃完提供給委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:15.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:17.919000+08:00","text":"我們一起建構真正的中臺灣國際機場，謝謝。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林次長國顯","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:17.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:17.979000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:22.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:23.172000+08:00","text":"謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:23.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:25.543000+08:00","text":"待會兒洪毓祥委員質詢完畢後休息8分鐘。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"主席（楊委員瓊瓔代）","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:26.043000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:29.471571+08:00","text":"我們現在請洪毓祥召委詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}