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那是不是要請賴金德總統如果假設有機會通道話的話也要請美國總統川普來更正他的話當然當然我們要講事實不是去跟這個這一句話我修正一下第一個"},{"start":447.608,"end":471.906,"text":"在所謂的半導體台灣在30年前的確是跟它買技術的移轉是跟Intel經過30年的淬鏈經過30年整個供應的提升台灣才有今天的地位這是整個台灣全世界這個半導體產業鏈的一個現實也是一個事實只是它太簡略了它也不知道這些製造過程"},{"start":474.188,"end":493.676,"text":"過去他的專業背景或是他的幕僚可能是在這個是商業上但製造業完全不是這麼一回事我在講的是一個事實所以我們也事實當他第一次聽到這個時候在談判的時候在關稅談判的時候我們的團隊就已經適時的跟他們團隊講這個製造業不是像一般的商品買賣那很顯然我們的團隊跟他們團隊並沒有下情上打"},{"start":503.5,"end":529.718,"text":"川普持續在講這樣的話我們的談判團隊還是川普有意為之還是川普就是明明知道但是他刻意要扭曲我們台灣他怎麼樣這個我不以揣測但是我們如實的把目前半導體產業跟TSMC的所有產業的結構鏈也跟他們整個談判團隊都挺好他們財政部內政部商務部都非常清楚整個產業結構鏈所以他才要求大家成為AI"},{"start":535.361,"end":551.007,"text":"這個一個最重要的基地的時候更需要台灣這一點我要跟委員來做分享廖長我讓你把話講完因為我也尊敬您是過去我們立法院的前輩啦但是本席還是再一次強調主席也站起來本席為什麼要這樣子再一次編因為我認為"},{"start":553.728,"end":572.156,"text":"對外一致中華民國立場不容許犧牲不管是任何國家不要讓我們認為不要讓某些國人認為是說我們政府現在面對到美國政府就矮半截連美國總統川普講這種明明不是事實的話還可以連更正都不願意更正我覺得這會讓國人看到失望謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:01.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:01.289000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:01.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:11.599000+08:00","text":"麻煩請潘秘書長及吳釗燮秘書長。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:11.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:12.160000+08:00","text":"請潘秘書長，吳釗燮秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:12.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:35.494000+08:00","text":"潘秘書長、吳秘書長，身為中華民國國民，身為中華民國的立法委員，不管執政或在野都是一個信念，都是要捍衛中華民國，都是要守護臺灣2,350萬人的立場。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:37.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:44.024000+08:00","text":"對於特別軍購案，若要美國政府給發價書的話，就一定要跟美國政府好好溝通。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:44.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:51.828000+08:00","text":"因此，我們在上上禮拜通過7,800億的特別軍購案，這是支持中華民國國防的堅實力量。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:52.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:42:54.729000+08:00","text":"在這裡，我再一次就事論事。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:42:55.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:10.689000+08:00","text":"說實在話，我們很多朝野委員……執政黨委員要怎麼發言是你的自由，但刻意用質詢時間來唱和……我覺得這又是在攻擊在野黨，這也不是好事。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:11.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:13.589000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我想今天還是就事論事。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:14.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:28.392000+08:00","text":"我想請教，這兩天美國總統川普兩度公開提到，可能會跟我們臺灣的總統討論、通話，目前有沒有在進行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:28.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:30.153000+08:00","text":"我相信應該都有在進行，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:33.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:34.254000+08:00","text":"委員早安，謝謝委員的關心。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:36.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:49.517000+08:00","text":"從川普總統上飛機前到昨天晚上又對外公開發布，我想我們這邊會隨時保持聯絡，畢竟有12個小時的時差。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:50.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:43:58.620000+08:00","text":"至於是什麼時候，我想AIT跟我們國安會、總統府都保持密切聯繫看怎麼進行，但目前我們還沒有接到任何電話。","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:43:59.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:44:00.180000+08:00","text":"還沒有接到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:44:00.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:44:03.041000+08:00","text":"你指的是還沒有接到美方任何電話？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:44:03.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:44:05.842000+08:00","text":"還沒有接到川普總統的電話，或是有相關的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:44:06.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:44:08.622000+08:00","text":"我相信如果接到的話應該就是大新聞了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:44:09.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:44:22.826000+08:00","text":"吳秘書長，本席也看到很多媒體提到，我們當然也會想到八年前，甚至是九年前，美國總統川普當選但還沒有就任時，有跟蔡英文總統對話。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:44:24.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:44:30.850000+08:00","text":"本席也看到很多新聞報導都講，時任國安會秘書長的吳釗燮是幕後推手。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:44:31.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:44:33.972000+08:00","text":"所以我想請教，到目前為止有沒有進一步的消息？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:44:34.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:44:37.594000+08:00","text":"這一次也是由您大力促成嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:44:37.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:44:37.634000+08:00","text":"委員早，謝謝委員剛剛的垂詢。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:44:41.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:44:50.858000+08:00","text":"這件事的確是臺美之間的重要項目，我們會認真看待，也會保持密切關注。","qu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work on that, the Taiwan problem.我請教兩位秘書長，臺灣是個問題嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:35.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:45:37.222000+08:00","text":"請對著麥克風講。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:37.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:45:38.684000+08:00","text":"臺灣不是問題！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:38.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:45:39.185000+08:00","text":"臺灣不是問題……","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:39.185000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:45:40.185000+08:00","text":"臺灣也不是創造兩岸麻煩的製造者！是！沒錯！","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:39.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:45:40.187000+08:00","text":"就是這樣子！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:40.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:45:41.689000+08:00","text":"所以川普總統說要解決臺灣問題是要解決什麼問題？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:48.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:45:49.181000+08:00","text":"川普總統在上飛機……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:49.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:45:52.523000+08:00","text":"你覺得川普總統講這句話是對的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:52.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:45:54.985000+08:00","text":"我想這是簡略的語意，這所謂的……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:57.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:45:59.028000+08:00","text":"原文我剛剛已經幫你講出來了。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:45:59.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:46:11.758000+08:00","text":"我們現在一致對外，我們都是中華民國國民，也因此，當其他國家的元首說要來work on Taiwan problem時，我想請教，什麼是Taiwan problem？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:46:14.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:46:30.205000+08:00","text":"Taiwan problem最重要的是兩岸維持現狀，這是川普的一個最重要原則，也是美國最重要的原則，也是我們臺灣目前最希望的狀態，就是兩岸維持現狀，就是所謂的臺海議題。","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:46:30.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:46:38.488000+08:00","text":"所以你們會建議……如果賴清德總統真的有機會跟川普總統談到話，會跟他正告這不是臺灣問題？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:46:38.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:46:45.087000+08:00","text":"當然、當然，臺海議題從來就不是臺灣去創造的，我們會極力維護，中國才是破壞……","quality":0.531},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:46:46.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:46:53.677000+08:00","text":"吳秘書長，上一次通話時你有陪同，這一次我不知道你會不會陪同。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:46:54.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:46:56.039000+08:00","text":"你會給賴清德總統什麼樣的國安建議？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:46:57.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:03.465000+08:00","text":"有關這件事，賴總統已經對外有所說明，也就是我們臺灣不卑不亢……","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:03.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:07.868000+08:00","text":"所以在賴總統說明之前，你有提供他相關建議嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:07.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:10.189000+08:00","text":"這方面我就不適合跟委員講了。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:10.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:20.856000+08:00","text":"但賴總統已經講得非常清楚，我們臺灣的政策立場就是不卑不亢，維持現狀；臺灣不是問題，製造問題的絕對不會是臺灣！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:21.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:25.340000+08:00","text":"中國在第一島鏈製造各式各樣的問題，中國才是問題！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:27.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:39.133000+08:00","text":"潘孟安秘書長，本席最後要強調一件事，很多人說美國總統川普至少有講一句話，而那是我們中華民國國民沒有辦法接受，臺灣人民沒有辦法接受的！","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:39.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:46.540000+08:00","text":"也就是美國總統川普不只講了一次臺灣偷走了晶片、半導體！","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:48.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:59.917000+08:00","text":"但是到目前為止，沒有看到政府針對這件事有任何相關的嚴正抗議、發言，或要求美國總統能夠正視歷史事實！","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:59.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:01.199000+08:00","text":"這是事實嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:01.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:03.621000+08:00","text":"臺灣有偷走半導體、偷走晶片嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:03.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:04.442000+08:00","text":"委員，臺灣、台積電絕對沒有偷走它的半導體！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:10.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:15.308000+08:00","text":"他們的意思……第一個，臺灣政府已經正式對外講，而且因為……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:15.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:16.029000+08:00","text":"但我沒有看到！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:17.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:21.330000+08:00","text":"上至總統府、行政院，各個階層的人都沒有！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:22.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:34.874000+08:00","text":"這一句話……看一下現在的新聞，這是賴清德總統最相信的，甚至可以奉為上賓乃至國師之一的，在去年大惡罷時主要的幕後推手──曹興誠所講的話。","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:36.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:43.757000+08:00","text":"曹興誠公開點名政府嚴重失職，連國際記者會都沒開。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:45.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:50.780000+08:00","text":"本席身為在野黨委員，我們的政治立場可能不一樣，但對於國外，我想我們應該有一致的說法。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:51.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:00.645000+08:00","text":"如果美國總統川普一而再、再而三講這種扭曲的話，講根本不是事實的話，你會建議賴清德總統在跟他談話時，請美國總統川普更正嗎？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:02.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:03.386000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:03.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:07.989000+08:00","text":"我想政黨立場可以不一樣，但國家利益是一樣的。是！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:08.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:13.412000+08:00","text":"所以美國總統川普講臺灣偷走半導體，這是事實嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:13.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:14.353000+08:00","text":"這當然不是事實！是！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:14.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:21.918000+08:00","text":"是不是要請賴清德總統……假設有機會通到話的話，請美國總統川普更正他的話？當然……當然？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:22.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:26.320000+08:00","text":"要更正，不過我們要講事實，不是去跟……這句話我修正一下。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:26.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:37.134000+08:00","text":"第一個，所謂的半導體，臺灣在三十年前的確有跟它買技術移轉，當時是跟Intel買。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:37.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:50.144000+08:00","text":"經過三十年的淬鍊，經過三十年整個供應鏈的提升，臺灣才有今天的地位，這是整個臺灣，甚至是全世界半導體產業鏈的一個現實，也是一個事實！","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:51.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:52.886000+08:00","text":"他講得太簡略了，也不知道這些製造過程。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:55.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:04.012000+08:00","text":"過去他的專業背景或者他的幕僚可能都在商業上，但製造業完全不是這麼一回事，我在講的是一個事實！","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:04.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:13.916000+08:00","text":"所以在他第一次聽到這個的時候，在關稅談判的時候，我們的團隊就已經適時地跟他們團隊講，製造業不是像一般的商品買賣，絕對不是！","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:13.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:27.022000+08:00","text":"那很顯然我們的團隊跟他們的團隊並沒有下情上達，川普持續在講這樣的話啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:27.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:28.143000+08:00","text":"我們的談判團隊都已經……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:28.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:29.644000+08:00","text":"還是川普有意為之？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:30.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:33.826000+08:00","text":"還是川普明明知道，但他就是刻意要扭曲我們臺灣？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:33.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:35.768000+08:00","text":"他怎麼樣，這個我不予揣測！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:35.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:01.863000+08:00","text":"但是我們如實的把目前半導體產業跟TSMC所有產業結構鏈跟他們整個談判都談好，他們的財政部、商務部都非常清楚整個產業結構鏈，所以他們才要求要成為整個AI最重要基地的時候更需要臺灣，這一點我要跟委員分享。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:02.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:10.386000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我讓你把話講完，因為我也尊敬您是過去我們立法院的前輩，但是本席還是再一次強調……主席也站起來了。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:10.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:33.156000+08:00","text":"本席為什麼要這樣子再一次在這邊……因為我認為，對外一致，中華民國的立場不容許犧牲，不管是任何國家，不要讓某些國人認為我們政府現在面對美國政府就矮半截，連美國總統川普講這種明明不是事實的話，還可以連更正都不願意更正，我覺得這讓國人看到會失望！謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:33.656000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:35.084571+08:00","text":"謝謝洪孟楷。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:35.384571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:39.098857+08:00","text":"能不能給我幾秒鐘說明一下？來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:39.398857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:44.827429+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在第一次有這個話題出現的時候……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:45.127429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:47.127429+08:00","text":"現在不是備詢欸！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:47.427429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:50.856000+08:00","text":"主席，立法委員現在質詢完畢……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:51.156000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:52.584571+08:00","text":"讓他講完啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:52.884571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:54.598857+08:00","text":"讓他講完整段。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:54.898857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:11.756000+08:00","text":"我從以前……不，我覺得這樣子完全沒有尊重立法委員，沒關係，剛剛本席問的是總統府，但國安的問題我會問國安會，我覺得不是我怕你講什麼，不是！","quality":0},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:12.056000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:13.198857+08:00","text":"好，沒關係！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:13.498857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:21.213143+08:00","text":"秘書長，本席現在講的是我們已經結束了，你怎麼還會變成是官員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:21.513143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:24.084571+08:00","text":"好，謝謝洪委員的詢答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:24.384571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:29.527429+08:00","text":"秘書長，拜託，我要請你尊重國會的尊嚴，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:29.827429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:32.113143+08:00","text":"兩位秘書長請回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:32.413143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:07.556000+08:00","text":"其實這個議題，主席也很好回答，對於川普總統這個講法，其實經濟部長龔明鑫也一直強調，臺灣半導體的發展，尤其是台積電，是經過臺灣40年的努力，至於川普總統這種講法，其實大家很清楚，就是加大對臺灣施壓，看有沒有辦法讓台積電到美國、臺灣的半導體到美國多做一點投資，就是政治上的語言啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:07.856000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:09.856000+08:00","text":"這個平常心看待！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:10.156000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:16.156000+08:00","text":"接下來請楊瓊瓔委員，楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:16.456000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:21.313143+08:00","text":"鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:21.613143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:26.470286+08:00","text":"許宇甄委員、許宇甄委員、許宇甄委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:26.770286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:32.198857+08:00","text":"接下來請我們最帥的賴士葆、葆哥、賴委員詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}