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沒有成效那我們已經注入了大筆的這個我們國家的資源跟經費那是不是可以請秘書長提出您的態度"},{"start":431.835,"end":457.431,"text":"跟委員報告這個問題應該還是要拜託立法院趕快加速所以行政院的態度是你們會請執政黨的委員加速來推動相關的委員會的成立嗎當然也是要請在野黨的委員能夠支持委員會而且跟委員報告各支會雖然還沒有組織法通過成立但是已經公布了八項執法就在等各支會正式成立能夠正式的關卡所以行政院會回去會加速喔"},{"start":457.871,"end":482.633,"text":"就是讓朝野來合作,盡速來成立各自保護委員會嗎?是嗎?您回答是或否就好了,好不好?我們不用回去,我現在就可以拜託朝野的政黨和委員來支持,趕快成立沒有同意,好,OK,再來我們在想,就是有關於有詐騙我覺得才是行政院,行政院現在還是有一個打詐辦公室那之前本市,本委員在質詢的時候,我相信今天我們長官也上台了一直在講,就是說現在詐騙金額"},{"start":484.074,"end":501.512,"text":"還是相當的高那受害人一直在請求的就是說他們的財損的金額是不是可以返還到他們自己的身上那之前我們有在質詢的時候不管是法務部或者是我們今天行政院打造辦公室都有提說要去成立一個返還"},{"start":502.153,"end":526.026,"text":"就是詐騙的這個財損的返還基金的一個制度那我想說已經已經快要從去年的12月到今年5月已經將近快要半年的時間了請問這樣子的返還基金的制度是否還要再拖下去還是已經有一個進度了我想返還的制度已經法制化確立了行政院在去年11月13號請問一下如何返還這個已經成立了如何返還委員"},{"start":532.12,"end":546.897,"text":"多少金額多少財稅的部分多多少比例未來可以返還到被害人我跟您報告一下齁詐房條例在去年11月13號行政院會通過送立法院審議也在去年底完成刪讀"},{"start":548.098,"end":563.967,"text":"那其中有三個重點其中一個就是委員您所提到的返還制度目前新的法是如果相關的加害人他必須他如果想要求減刑免刑等等他必須在六個月之內"},{"start":569.217,"end":592.667,"text":"依照協調全數會依照調解的金額返還當事人現在所有詐騙的這種金額裡面會不會撥一定的比例來成立被害人返還這個財損的基金來去返還被害人因為現在被害人很多沒辦法在法院裡面沒有辦法證明說我跟這個被財損的金額是有關聯性的導致他們求償無門"},{"start":593.607,"end":622.036,"text":"所以當時我們跟打炸辦公室在行政院質詢的時候我們說是不是有一個返還被害人的一個整體的基金不是說受害人跟被害人兩個和解的基金師傅你可以請你的這個主管來稍微說明一下好不好你要講嗎感謝委員的垂行你是不是趕快時間的關係到底你們現在成立的狀況如何我先就是當時我們認為就是這些你們認為可行還是不可行還是在演繹"},{"start":623.892,"end":637.246,"text":"就是他有困境他的困境是在於在財政紀律法裡面有規定新成立的基金必須要穩定的來源財源然後這些被沒收的錢"},{"start":641.61,"end":658.203,"text":"委員簡單來講財政紀律法第七條有規定如果要新成立基金必須要有確認確定的財源目前沒有這個財源所以至於是用基金或者是用其他的方式目前行政院在演繹中好沒關係那我們後面我們再來討論好不好最後一個問題討論的制度已經"},{"start":659.224,"end":674.809,"text":"立法了所以這個沒有問題最後一個問題本席有在行政院會質詢的時候有請教有關於這個大家知道的當時這個顏慧欣女士的這個霸凌案的調查事件那我們現在看到最新的新聞說這個外部委員"},{"start":677.05,"end":701.156,"text":"當時就是因為這個案子荒荒複雜請外部委員來調查那外部委員現在已經調查完畢現在就目前的新聞來講是在統整報告書這樣對嗎那我想要請教一下調查報告是否可以在六月公布那我相信秘書長這邊應該已經掌握了這個很多的調查的結果那您認為調查的結果會大概是怎麼樣可以稍微透露一下嗎"},{"start":701.756,"end":717.616,"text":"跟委員報告幾點喔第一個因為我也是台美經貿談判工作小組的成員所以從調查開始我就自請迴避我會知道過程但我不能過問結果我只希望結果是公正徹底公平第二個整個調查過程"},{"start":719.446,"end":728.132,"text":"發放了84份問卷回收了70份問卷訪談的規模實體訪談24人書面訪談2個人每一個人的訪談時間從有半個小時到最多超過5個小時不等所以這是一個規模相當大"},{"start":738.973,"end":766.371,"text":"的調查工作那目前所有的訪談工作已經到一段落就我所了解調查委員這些外部的專業的調查委員正在撰寫報告行政院會在法定的兩個月加一個月的時間法定時間之內儘快提出調查結果除了快除了儘快我們希望不能草率所以現在目前還是三個月沒有說會儘快到什麼時候我們希望在二加一之內儘快提出結果好那謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:33:47.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:33:49.108000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，各位委員、各位官員早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:33:49.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:33:51.537000+08:00","text":"有請行政院張惇涵秘書長。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:33:51.537000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:33:57.790000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:33:57.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:33:58.230000+08:00","text":"秘書長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:33:58.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:34:30.539000+08:00","text":"秘書長，不管是最近賴總統520的演說，或是最近行政院推出少子化因應的方式來跟秘書長請教，最近大家都很關心行政院或是賴總統提出0到18歲每個月補貼5,000塊，這個叫做成長基金的預算，本席當然是非常支持這樣的預算。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:34:31.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:35:06.305000+08:00","text":"今天我們也看到聯合報用頭版的方式來說明，因為從2016年蔡英文政府上臺到今年2026年賴總統執政第二年，我們看到出生率從1.17%像溜滑梯一樣，一直下降到0.87%，少子化問題已成為國安問題，現在賴總統宣布每人每月發5,000塊，要來解決少子化的問題，本席是支持的。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:35:07.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:35:13.411000+08:00","text":"這邊再請教秘書長的問題就是財源在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:35:13.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:35:15.172000+08:00","text":"第二個，法源在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:35:15.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:35:16.693000+08:00","text":"第三個，是否會編在116年的公務預算？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:35:20.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:35:21.109000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:35:21.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:35:31.412000+08:00","text":"我具體地回答，第一個財源，這幾年在全國國人共同的努力之下，稅收很好，經濟成果除了全民共享……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:35:31.412000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:35:32.412000+08:00","text":"財源沒問題，OK。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:35:32.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:35:41.315000+08:00","text":"也應該世代共享，我希望不是一次性的給付，而是照顧一整個世代，因為你照顧了年輕世代，可能照顧了一家三代，這是第一個財源的問題。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:35:42.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:36:09.418000+08:00","text":"第二個在法律的問題，委員您是會計師背景出身，應該知道目前衛福部有一個弱勢兒童發展的帳戶，是否從相關的法源來進行修正，又或者是有其他的法案可以提出，目前行政院仍在做最後研議，近期內就會拍板，最快下週會宣布，這個一定會牽涉到一定程度的修法，到時候也請委員能夠支持。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:36:11.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:36:22.323000+08:00","text":"第三個，回答委員時程的問題，因為要涉及修法，我們當然希望最快明年可以上路，但是修法的時間跟速度，也希望大院不分朝野的委員能夠支持。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:36:22.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:36:47.349000+08:00","text":"所以第一個，我要提醒秘書長，因為今年8月我們的預算就要開始編列，本席當然希望在8月之前，不管是修兒少法，還是少年福利法，儘早送進來讓立法院做核准，本席也希望可以編在116年度的年度預算裡面，我覺得這才是行政院行政效率展現非常積極的做法。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:36:47.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:21.246000+08:00","text":"第二個，裡面當然有提到0到6歲是發成長基金5,000元，可是6到18歲的成長基金5,000元裡面，其中2,500元是存入未來的基金，現在我相信行政院也沒有辦法確定到底是存在未來的基金，還是存在未來的帳戶，這2,500元是否是強制一定要存下來，以及未來帳戶的錢是否可以動用，我可不可以拿去做投資等等相關的問題，我想現在還是打上一個大問號，是不是可以請秘書長來說明？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:21.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:25.848000+08:00","text":"你們應該已經有很完整的想法，才會公布這樣的措施，也讓民眾可以了解，謝謝。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:27.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:37.472000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，行政院確實有注意到在野黨不同黨派的委員過去提出的一些兒少未來發展專戶，或者是帳戶的政策……","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:38.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:41.057000+08:00","text":"所以到底是存在基金，還是存在帳戶？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:41.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:41.537000+08:00","text":"容許我有一點時間說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:41.537000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:44.031000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:44.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:46.892000+08:00","text":"在野黨的版本本來是0到12歲開戶基金……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:47.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:50.353000+08:00","text":"我們先講行政院的版本就好，因為時間的關係，好不好？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:50.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:50.773000+08:00","text":"拜託一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:50.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:52.434000+08:00","text":"OK，為什麼行政院會採取這樣的方案……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:52.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:56.735000+08:00","text":"所以你的意思是，行政院是參考在野黨的版本去做行政院的版本嗎？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:56.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:37:58.356000+08:00","text":"我們是修正了在野黨的版本。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:37:58.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:38:00.437000+08:00","text":"修正在野黨的，所以是參考嘛？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:38:00.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:38:00.577000+08:00","text":"為什麼呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:38:00.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:38:39.827000+08:00","text":"因為0到6歲是最需要支持跟減壓的時候，所以0到6歲每個月5,000元，即未滿6歲，每個月5,000元；6到18歲在賴總統擔任副總統時期推行12年國教免費的狀況之下，已經有國教體系的支持，所以我們主張6到未滿18歲每個月5,000元，其中的2,500元存起來，當作政府跟未來世代一個18歲的約定，當你成年的時候，基本上你會有至少36萬的本金，可以拿去繼續升學或者創業，這是我們的構想。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:38:41.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:38:44.432000+08:00","text":"所以還沒有確定到底這個是基金，還是存在帳戶？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:38:44.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:38:44.993000+08:00","text":"這筆錢能不能動用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:38:45.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:38:45.974000+08:00","text":"動用有什麼條件？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:38:46.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:38:48.776000+08:00","text":"或者是未來可不可以拿這筆錢去投資？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:38:48.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:38:49.776000+08:00","text":"目前還在研議當中嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:38:51.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:39:07.670000+08:00","text":"細節最快下個禮拜會宣布，等細節宣布的時候，我想全體國人會更了解整個狀況，也不只是0到18歲每個月5,000元的方案，我們還有非常多的措施當作完整家庭支持方案來推動，不會是只有一個。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:39:08.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:39:17.253000+08:00","text":"秘書長，現在可不可以透露一下，因為這個也會牽扯到預算，你說除了2,000億的經費，未來還會再增加多少經費？","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:39:17.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:39:25.835000+08:00","text":"除2,000億的經費之外，其他部分都還在設算當中，畢竟執政黨必須負責任，我們必須精算所有的財源，才能夠跟委員報告。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:39:25.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:39:29.876000+08:00","text":"所以目前還沒有確定，可是下個月，等你們在禮拜四院會開完會以後，應該會提出相關的方案。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:39:32.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:39:33.739000+08:00","text":"最快下禮拜會提出完整的方案。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:39:34.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:39:48.693000+0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機制。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:43:14.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:43:18.379000+08:00","text":"全數會依照調解的金額返還當事人，所以返還的制度已經確立了。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:43:18.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:43:28.543000+08:00","text":"我的意思是，現在詐騙的總金額裡，會不會撥一定的比例成立被害人返還財損基金去返還被害人？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:43:28.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:43:51.171000+08:00","text":"因為現在被害人很多在法院裡沒有辦法證明跟被財損金額是有關聯性的，導致他們求償無門，所以當時我們在質詢行政院打詐辦公室的時候，詢問是不是有返還被害人的一個整體基金，不是受害人及被害人兩個和解的基金，你是不是可以請主管業務的人來稍微說明一下，好不好？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"王執行秘書琮聖","start":"2026-05-21T09:43:55.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:43:56.293000+08:00","text":"感謝委員的垂詢，讓我有機會……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:43:57.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:00.774000+08:00","text":"因為時間的關係，你是不是趕快說明，到底你們現在成立的狀況如何？","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"王執行秘書琮聖","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:03.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:04.135000+08:00","text":"當時我們認為這些……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:04.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:05.796000+08:00","text":"你們認為可行還是不可行、還是再研議？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"王執行秘書琮聖","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:08.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:08.693000+08:00","text":"它有困境……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:08.693000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:12.797000+08:00","text":"秘書長在旁邊，有困境的話，你要跟他講一下。","quality":0.056},{"speaker":"王執行秘書琮聖","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:12.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:20.345000+08:00","text":"它的困境是在財政紀律法裡有規定新成立的基金必須要穩定的財源，這些……","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:20.345000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:21.345000+08:00","text":"這些財損的金額很龐大。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王執行秘書琮聖","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:20.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:21.246000+08:00","text":"可是我們是採用被沒收的錢……","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:25.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:37.099000+08:00","text":"委員，簡單來講，財政紀律法第七條有規定，如果要新成立基金必須要有確定的財源，目前沒有這個財源，至於是用基金或者是用其他方式，目前行政院仍在研議中……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:37.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:37.840000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:38.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:40.082000+08:00","text":"會後我們再來討論，好不好？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:41.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:44:44.665000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題，返還的制度已經立法了，所以這個沒有問題。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:44:44.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:45:11.633000+08:00","text":"最後一個問題，本席在院會質詢的時候，請教有關於大家所知道的顏慧欣女士霸凌案的調查事件，我們現在看到最新的新聞報導說，當時因為這個案子相當複雜，有請外部委員來調查，現在已經調查完畢，就目前新聞報導來講，是在統整報告書，對嗎？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:45:11.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:45:15.534000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下，調查報告是否可以在6月公布？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:45:16.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:45:25.156000+08:00","text":"我相信秘書長這邊應該已經掌握了很多的調查結果，您認為調查結果大概是怎麼樣，可以稍微透露一下嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵：跟委員報告幾點","start":"2026-05-21T09:45:27.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:45:38.733000+08:00","text":"第一個，因為我也是臺美經貿談判工作小組的成員，所以從調查開始，我就自請迴避，我會知道過程，但我不能過問結果，我只希望結果是公正、澈底、公平。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵：跟委員報告幾點","start":"2026-05-21T09:45:39.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:46:06.595000+08:00","text":"第二個，整個調查過程發放了84份問卷，回收了70份問卷，訪談規模分別為實體訪談24人及書面訪談2人，每一個人的訪談時間從半個小時到最多超過5個小時不等，所以這是一個規模相當大的調查工作，目前所有訪談工作已經告一段落。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵：跟委員報告幾點","start":"2026-05-21T09:46:07.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:46:23.207000+08:00","text":"就我所了解，這些外部的專業調查委員正在撰寫報告，行政院會在2個月加1個月的法定時間之內，儘快提出調查結果，除了儘快，也希望不能草率。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:46:23.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:46:26.809000+08:00","text":"所以現在目前還是3個月，沒有說會儘快到什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:46:26.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:46:29.811000+08:00","text":"我們希望在2加1個月內，儘快提出結果。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張委員智倫","start":"2026-05-21T09:46:30.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:46:30.371000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:46:30.871000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:46:34.585286+08:00","text":"下一位請蘇巧慧委員發言質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}