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我沒有辦法受到政府的支持"},{"start":544.562,"end":568.437,"text":"所以這個部分的話我覺得行政院其實可以思考一下如果在輕創的這個部分也能夠對願意創業扛風險的年輕人也給予適度的照顧這是我們發現的一個問題昨天總統除了講0到18歲成長經驗之外他有提出一個所謂1000億鼓勵中小微企業失業支持方案我想未來我們會把委員的意見納入其中"},{"start":569.438,"end":592.584,"text":"對 我認為這個問題不見得是放在小子化的這個不見得放在家庭照顧的這個部分但是這個輕創者他同樣是一個趕婚趕生試婚試生的年齡的時候其實在輕創的部分我們也許可以有不同多元的思考委員最後能否給我半分鐘感謝一下委員我記得幾個月前我曾經跟委員就教如何能夠"},{"start":594.345,"end":619.478,"text":"讓年輕的爸媽願意生您跟我說您的意見是要給年輕爸媽喘息對所以我提出要增加零拖和夜拖真正需要的是托育是喘息喘息的時間跟空間我想很大的精神也納入了接下來我們要提出的方案跟措施當中雖然不盡然會100分或完美但是我們一定會全力以赴"},{"start":620,"end":642.674,"text":"非常感謝行政院有聽到我們的聲音因為我想對年輕爸媽來講真的我們知道政府對長照已經提供了喘息的服務就是照顧人的人也需要被照顧那我想大家這個各自在上班忙碌的雙薪家庭父母要同時育兒真的非常辛苦所以我們希望這個育兒的喘息服務也能夠納入未來的方案當中謝謝 謝謝秘書長 謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:46:54.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:46:54.459000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:46:54.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:46:54.559000+08:00","text":"請張惇涵秘書長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:46:54.559000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:46:55.559000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:46:54.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:46:54.599000+08:00","text":"秘書長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:46:54.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:47:34.960000+08:00","text":"秘書長，前2天行政院卓院長與賴總統向國人宣布了政府將提出臺灣人口對策新戰略，推出了0到18歲全面支持方案，讓年輕人可以兼顧工作與家庭，敢婚、敢生、敢養，其中包含了0到18歲每月5,000元成長津貼、「婚、育、產」各別假類合理規劃、0到6歲彈性育兒假、持續推動婚育宅及育嬰住宅減稅優惠等措施。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:47:37.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:47:40.765000+08:00","text":"秘書長，有沒有感受這2天在地方的風向及輿論如何？","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:47:43.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:47:49.028000+08:00","text":"我有看到委員發臉書表達支持，我在這邊也要特別感謝蘇巧慧委員。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:47:49.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:48:04.775000+08:00","text":"如果委員有注意到總統昨天宣布的是一個0到18歲家庭支持方案，而這個家庭支持方案的名稱就來自於蘇巧慧委員的建議，因為不只要支持新生兒、支持年輕人，我們要支持照顧者。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:48:06.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:48:14.572000+08:00","text":"我想這是一個全新的概念，也謝謝行政院願意採納本席的想法，我們認為其實不只是把長輩、小孩顧好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:48:15.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:48:36.423000+08:00","text":"事實上，長輩、小孩顧好之後，中間這個三明治爸媽、中間的青年階層，其實正是在照顧需要照顧的人，但他們自己也應該要被照顧，所以這一次我們提出的方案，是以家庭為整個核心概念，全方位來照顧，所以我是相當支持這樣的方向，也認為這是正確的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:48:36.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:48:57.740000+08:00","text":"不過，秘書長您剛剛也說，接下來在下個禮拜會提出細部規劃，所以現在就我可以看到的、感受到的，在社會大致支持我們的方向之後，衍生出來的一些細部問題向您就教，也許在下個禮拜提出方案之前，還可以參考一下。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:48:58.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:49:16.234000+08:00","text":"首先，第一個問題，我們大家都知道，剛剛這些方案都很好，尤其是婚、育、產假等這些各別假類的合理規劃，大家都覺得很棒，尤其是勞工階層及受僱者都覺得很好，但是最怕的就是看得到、吃不到。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:49:17.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:49:23.919000+08:00","text":"請問行政院有沒有領導整個政府單位，有什麼樣的措施可以確保這些假期，受僱者真正可以使用到？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:49:24.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:49:40.073000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，行政院這次主要參酌了日本政府的經驗，依照目前性工法的規定，如果家中有一個3歲以下的小孩子，你可以請1個小時的假提早下班……","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:49:40.073000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:49:41.073000+08:00","text":"彈性嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:49:41.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:50:04.754000+08:00","text":"但是沒有給薪，但在這次行政院的方案當中，我們會編列一定的預算給予企業替代人力，又或者是職代人力的津貼，鼓勵企業放手、放寬心，讓員工們能夠回去照顧小孩，我相信這也會是企業想要的，因為現在大家都希望攬才、留才。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:50:06.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:50:07.699000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:50:07.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:50:30.897000+08:00","text":"你的這個回答，再次讓我們宣告，這一次新的人口對策裡面，其中一個很重要的概念就是照顧「照顧人的人」，當企業願意有這樣的想法來照顧員工，願意把工時變成彈性之後，企業的營運成本就由政府來幫忙承擔，我想這就是整個核心的概念。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:50:31.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:50:42.763000+08:00","text":"過去我們當然是怕受僱者有看得到吃不到的福利，尤其是在假別等等，所以我們用勞基法、性工法這樣的法律做保障，但這只是一個事後的保障。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:50:43.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:50:54.712000+08:00","text":"所以這一次不但是像秘書長剛剛提到的，在彈性工時的部分政府給予企業支持，津貼的部分由政府來承擔。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:50:54.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:51:31.860000+08:00","text":"我甚至大膽地再提出一個想法，我昨天公布新北市未來的家庭照顧政見當中，向大家報告的是，如果一個企業願意想方法做更多這一類措施的推出，也就是企業建構友善職場時，做出了超越法定優惠的給假、給薪等等措施，那麼政府應該要鼓勵他，也就是政府引領整個社會風氣，朝向企業主動為受僱者設計更好的職場。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:51:31.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:51:52.477000+08:00","text":"所以，本席提出，如果在新北市未來有這樣具有友善家庭措施的企業，我們願意發放100萬元的最高獎金，我們認為這是一個政府引領社會風氣最好的時間，我想這個部分秘書長也可以參考看看，這是第一個。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:51:52.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:51:52.717000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:51:52.717000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:51:58.751000+08:00","text":"你有要提出的嗎？","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:51:58.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:52:10.227000+08:00","text":"0到18歲的全程照顧，除了國家一起養、國家一直養之外，我們當然也樂見有所作為的地方首長，中央地方一起分擔。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:52:10.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:52:27.838000+08:00","text":"但我也跟委員說明，政府目前正在推動強化企業托育的方案，在這一次即將提出的方案當中，我們也會持續加碼，如果企業願意投資更多照顧員工的托育方案，我們也會加碼給予企業減免一定程度的負擔……","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:52:27.838000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:52:30.539000+08:00","text":"非常好……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵：因為我們這次主要也有兩個核心的目標","start":"2026-05-21T09:52:30.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:52:35.445000+08:00","text":"第一個，雙親的照顧更平等；第二個，勞資的關係更平衡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵：因為我們這次主要也有兩個核心的目標","start":"2026-05-21T09:52:35.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:52:38.887000+08:00","text":"我相信這個就是委員所強調的要照顧照顧者。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:52:39.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:52:59.641000+08:00","text":"我想這真的是新觀念要引領新時代，整個社會、整個時代已經來到這裡了，所以剛剛不管是性別平等或者是勞資平等，都是我們希望構建未來更友善、更進步的社會環境應該要做的事情，所以謝謝……這樣的話，我會更期待行政院下個禮拜要推出來的細部方案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:00.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:31.336000+08:00","text":"不過剛剛秘書長提到的托育部分，我也要跟秘書長再就教，剛剛您說鼓勵企業設置托育的部分，我們當然知道，也很支持企業設置托育的方案，但是也跟秘書長這邊互相討論一下，在新北市有30萬家事業，中小微企業占了大多數，所以你要小微企業設置托育設備、托育設施，其實是有它的困難度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:32.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:40.123000+08:00","text":"如果在這個方面我們沒有辦法給他更多的協助或鼓勵的話，這就是回到剛剛提到有可能變成看得到吃不到的情形。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:40.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:53:58.152000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我在這裡已經提出了，政府應該主動媒合中小微企業聯合設置托育設施，而且這些中小微企業聯合設置托育設施之後，如果前三年有虧損，政府就補貼50%。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:53:59.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:11.996000+08:00","text":"談錢很俗氣，但是談錢也很實際，說真的，給他最大的支持，就是你已經照著這個方向做了，但是如果真的還有負擔、有虧損，那麼政府一起來幫忙。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵：跟委員報告，我具體回復","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:15.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:19.699000+08:00","text":"第一個，主動媒合中小微企業聯合設置托育設施……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:19.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:20.900000+08:00","text":"是，才不會只有大企業能夠有托育。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:21.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:33.866000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實這也是我們的方向，在新莊副都心，您的選區，新莊副都心中央的第二行政園區，目前就是各部會聯合做托育的工作，所以這個方向，無論是公部門或私部門，我們就會一起來做……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:33.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:37.588000+08:00","text":"就是因為我們看到它有成功的案例，所以我們覺得企業界也可以朝向這樣做。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:37.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:43.310000+08:00","text":"第二個，委員提出補貼的方向，也許跟我們的措施不盡然完全一樣，但是方向是一致的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:43.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:54:52.072000+08:00","text":"沒有關係，我們可以既競爭又合作，因為得利的都是人民，既競爭又合作的各政府機關單位，我覺得這是對人民最好的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:54:53.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:09.836000+08:00","text":"最後一個部分，我也想要跟秘書長再討論一下，我們在收集這兩天大部分的社會輿情反應時，覺得其實還有一個點，可以多幫忙他們考慮一下可能會更好。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:10.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:25.942000+08:00","text":"這個方案就是，其實現今很多年輕人有理想，想創業，政府也鼓勵青創，這個當然都是小微企業，所以變成一群年輕朋友一起來創業，可是這一群年輕朋友因為制度設計的關係，總有人要出來當負責人吧！","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:32.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:32.345000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:32.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:34.046000+08:00","text":"當了負責人之後，發現我們同樣的一群年輕好朋友，為了一個同樣的理想在前進，結果因為我當了負責人，我要扛創業的風險。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:34.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:36.068000+08:00","text":"可是剛剛政府提出對受僱者的支持方案，包括假別等等，其實這些會變成我沒有辦法受到政府的支持。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:56.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:56:09.651000+08:00","text":"這個部分我覺得行政院可以思考一下，在青創的這個部分，也能夠對願意創業扛風險的年輕人給予適度的照顧，這是我們發現的一個問題。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:56:09.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:56:19.417000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，昨天總統除了講0到18歲成長津貼之外，他有提出一個1,000億鼓勵中小微企業的支持方案，我想未來我們會把委員的意見納入其中。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-05-21T09:56:20.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:56:36.122000+08:00","text":"對，我認為這個問題不見得是放在少子化、不見得放在家庭照顧的這個部分，但是青創者同樣是一個敢婚、敢生、適婚、適生的年齡時，其實在青創的部分，我們也許可以有多元的不同思考。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:56:36.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:56:40.023000+08:00","text":"委員，最後能否給我半分鐘來感謝一下委員？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T09:56:40.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:56:47.466000+08:0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