{"error":false,"id":["16954"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":16954,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16954","日期":"2025-10-16","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-4-20-2","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":4,"會次":2,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[20],"委員會代碼:str":["財政委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Full","開始時間":"2025-10-16T08:40:53+08:00","結束時間":"2025-10-16T12:12:00+08:00","影片長度":"03:31:07","支援功能":["ai-transcript"],"video_url":"https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528ea212a47f970ca703dad031a0274cb34ab5dbf79f23f633bb82c97822fd2aee565ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","會議時間":"2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。\n【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】）","委員名稱":"完整會議","委員發言時間":"08:40:53 - 12:12:00","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1171.44284375,"end":1173.2147187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1173.8897187500002,"end":1187.62596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1190.73096875,"end":1194.4265937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":1195.0003437500002,"end":1201.53096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":1201.56471875,"end":1201.5984687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":1201.66596875,"end":1208.87159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1209.5972187500001,"end":1213.91721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1218.2034687500002,"end":1221.66284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1221.94971875,"end":1223.6878437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1224.0759687500001,"end":1226.0840937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1229.3409687500002,"end":1231.6865937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1232.8003437500001,"end":1235.1965937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1236.0740937500002,"end":1239.2634687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1240.2759687500002,"end":1242.72284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1243.3472187500001,"end":1245.27096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1245.97971875,"end":1248.1397187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1248.78096875,"end":1250.87346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1251.4978437500001,"end":1253.55659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1254.24846875,"end":1256.4928437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1258.2815937500002,"end":1260.0872187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1261.6565937500002,"end":1263.5128437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1265.0315937500002,"end":1266.8203437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1268.2884687500002,"end":1270.33034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1272.00096875,"end":1274.2115937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1275.52784375,"end":1278.0928437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1279.7972187500002,"end":1281.83909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1283.67846875,"end":1286.1084687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1287.47534375,"end":1289.55096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1291.4409687500001,"end":1293.8203437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1295.4403437500002,"end":1297.5328437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1299.4734687500002,"end":1300.1990937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1301.53221875,"end":1305.8015937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1307.69159375,"end":1309.1934687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1312.23096875,"end":1314.6609687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1317.0740937500002,"end":1320.1622187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1322.45721875,"end":1323.8072187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1326.6590937500002,"end":1329.6797187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1331.9747187500002,"end":1333.3753437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1335.72096875,"end":1338.5390937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1341.0703437500001,"end":1342.2178437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1345.96409375,"end":1348.8834687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1352.0390937500001,"end":1353.55784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1357.0172187500002,"end":1360.45971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1363.4634687500002,"end":1367.34471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1369.58909375,"end":1370.9053437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1373.68971875,"end":1374.6853437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1375.09034375,"end":1377.7734687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1380.5240937500002,"end":1383.5784687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1386.19409375,"end":1387.57784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1390.26096875,"end":1393.3153437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1396.57221875,"end":1400.4872187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1402.78221875,"end":1404.03096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1407.2372187500002,"end":1410.8484687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1413.58221875,"end":1416.40034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1419.2690937500001,"end":1420.61909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1423.6565937500002,"end":1427.08221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1429.79909375,"end":1432.6847187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1434.97971875,"end":1436.2959687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1439.35034375,"end":1441.8984687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1445.0709687500002,"end":1446.37034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1448.9859687500002,"end":1451.2303437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1454.09909375,"end":1456.8159687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1459.5665937500003,"end":1460.7815937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1463.4478437500002,"end":1466.63721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1469.57346875,"end":1473.65721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1477.9434687500002,"end":1481.7234687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1484.7103437500002,"end":1487.57909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1493.8734687500003,"end":1497.6197187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1498.4297187500001,"end":1503.0703437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1504.4203437500003,"end":1504.58909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1505.1797187500001,"end":1505.4665937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1506.5297187500003,"end":1516.0134687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1523.0672187500002,"end":1532.43284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1532.83784375,"end":1542.97971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1543.3003437500001,"end":1584.7959687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1585.3359687500001,"end":1623.4903437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1623.69284375,"end":1627.0509687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1627.4559687500002,"end":1639.47096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1639.5722187500003,"end":1643.6053437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1644.22971875,"end":1656.4472187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1656.6665937500002,"end":1658.2022187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1659.4509687500001,"end":1662.9778437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1663.1634687500002,"end":1672.63034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1672.79909375,"end":1704.1697187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1704.57471875,"end":1814.12721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1815.24096875,"end":1863.3515937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1863.8747187500003,"end":1901.01659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1901.1009687500002,"end":1912.2215937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1912.3397187500002,"end":1916.77784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":1917.1153437500002,"end":1923.93284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1925.0128437500002,"end":1925.1140937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1925.1815937500003,"end":1948.5365937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1952.8565937500002,"end":1956.6703437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1956.8053437500002,"end":1964.0784687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1964.71971875,"end":1967.2340937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1967.5884687500002,"end":1972.3472187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":1978.3884687500001,"end":1985.1553437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":1985.5097187500003,"end":1986.37034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":1991.1459687500003,"end":2034.8690937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2035.2234687500002,"end":2062.1728437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2063.1178437500002,"end":2064.19784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2064.4003437500005,"end":2112.71346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2112.94971875,"end":2114.38409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2114.40096875,"end":2136.6590937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2126.56784375,"end":2127.7997187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2136.87846875,"end":2139.2409687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2139.52784375,"end":2158.7822187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2154.34409375,"end":2154.7997187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2157.2128437500005,"end":2173.1765937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2173.44659375,"end":2174.54346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2176.29846875,"end":2177.7497187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2178.88034375,"end":2182.60971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2182.9472187500005,"end":2188.88721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2189.41034375,"end":2199.4509687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2199.8728437500004,"end":2201.6953437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2202.26909375,"end":2207.09534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2207.56784375,"end":2208.2428437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2208.5634687500005,"end":2213.77784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2214.25034375,"end":2215.76909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2216.07284375,"end":2217.6590937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2217.97971875,"end":2219.26221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2219.7178437500006,"end":2223.97034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2226.1640937500006,"end":2226.65346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2227.58159375,"end":2249.1309687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2249.92409375,"end":2255.6953437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2256.7584687500002,"end":2283.9609687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2284.1465937500006,"end":2288.5847187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2289.6140937500004,"end":2307.31596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2307.60284375,"end":2326.9753437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2320.73159375,"end":2322.80721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2324.49471875,"end":2328.7978437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2329.3378437500005,"end":2333.5059687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2333.8434687500003,"end":2339.36159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2338.41659375,"end":2338.7878437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2339.80034375,"end":2342.1797187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2340.08721875,"end":2342.2303437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2342.2303437500004,"end":2347.74846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2346.8034687500003,"end":2355.5615937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2355.83159375,"end":2364.2859687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2364.7753437500005,"end":2378.5622187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2378.61284375,"end":2385.8015937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2386.32471875,"end":2386.7634687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2386.93221875,"end":2397.69846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2397.7997187500005,"end":2425.72784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2426.1328437500006,"end":2428.5290937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2428.37721875,"end":2455.2253437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2446.1465937500006,"end":2446.93971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2447.9353437500004,"end":2449.7409687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2450.3653437500006,"end":2450.6015937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2450.7872187500006,"end":2452.5253437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2453.0653437500005,"end":2476.36971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2456.7947187500004,"end":2461.2665937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2472.15096875,"end":2472.55596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2475.7959687500006,"end":2482.9678437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2482.8328437500004,"end":2497.9528437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2498.00346875,"end":2499.6572187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2499.80909375,"end":2500.2647187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2499.8934687500005,"end":2511.06471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2511.19971875,"end":2512.4315937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2512.5497187500005,"end":2520.10971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2520.64971875,"end":2534.8415937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2529.76221875,"end":2530.89284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2531.3990937500002,"end":2557.67346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2536.1240937500006,"end":2536.3603437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2539.6678437500004,"end":2540.95034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2542.77284375,"end":2542.8572187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2557.11659375,"end":2578.93596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2560.12034375,"end":2560.49159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2576.38784375,"end":2577.0965937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2578.51409375,"end":2579.3747187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2579.9147187500002,"end":2581.3659687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2581.6865937500006,"end":2591.3222187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2591.4403437500005,"end":2591.57534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2591.6090937500003,"end":2598.0722187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2596.28346875,"end":2596.77284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2598.0722187500005,"end":2609.0240937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2602.20659375,"end":2603.0672187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2609.07471875,"end":2611.30221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2609.85096875,"end":2610.4753437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2611.30221875,"end":2611.5722187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2611.5722187500005,"end":2611.60596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2611.60596875,"end":2611.70721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2611.70721875,"end":2611.7578437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2611.7578437500006,"end":2613.5465937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":2613.6647187500002,"end":2615.26784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":2615.47034375,"end":2617.3434687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2628.4978437500004,"end":2630.1347187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":2630.52284375,"end":2631.4678437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":2635.09596875,"end":2635.11284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2635.11284375,"end":2635.1465937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2635.1465937500006,"end":2635.16346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":2635.16346875,"end":2635.39971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2635.39971875,"end":2635.51784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":2635.51784375,"end":2635.5515937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2636.07471875,"end":2637.1884687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2637.52596875,"end":2639.1797187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2639.4834687500006,"end":2640.59721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2641.30596875,"end":2644.32659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2645.2547187500004,"end":2646.3515937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2647.02659375,"end":2647.6678437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2648.6803437500002,"end":2656.37534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2656.7803437500006,"end":2657.40471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2657.70846875,"end":2659.1090937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2659.7334687500006,"end":2661.8259687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2662.16346875,"end":2666.43284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2666.97284375,"end":2667.36096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2668.8290937500005,"end":2671.86659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2673.1490937500002,"end":2674.1278437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2673.4697187500005,"end":2676.38909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2675.49471875,"end":2675.5622187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2676.99659375,"end":2682.53159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2680.9284687500003,"end":2681.45159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2682.3290937500005,"end":2683.8984687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2683.20659375,"end":2685.19784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2684.8097187500007,"end":2686.81784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2687.35784375,"end":2694.5128437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2694.81659375,"end":2710.84784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2711.03346875,"end":2717.12534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2716.63596875,"end":2718.7115937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2717.4459687500002,"end":2717.8847187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2717.9353437500004,"end":2728.8534687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2722.5928437500006,"end":2723.0653437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2725.1747187500005,"end":2725.7653437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2727.85784375,"end":2730.69284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2730.9628437500005,"end":2735.28284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2731.23284375,"end":2731.28346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2731.3172187500004,"end":2731.4353437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2735.82284375,"end":2738.3034687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2739.01221875,"end":2744.68221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2744.9353437500004,"end":2746.8084687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2747.26409375,"end":2754.8240937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2755.8534687500005,"end":2760.5447187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2760.8484687500004,"end":2762.9072187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2763.2615937500004,"end":2768.22284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2768.4928437500002,"end":2769.79221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2770.23096875,"end":2770.3153437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2770.3828437500006,"end":2776.30596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":2773.0997187500006,"end":2773.9772187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2773.9772187500002,"end":2774.0615937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2776.30596875,"end":2781.19971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2776.5084687500002,"end":2779.37721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2780.40659375,"end":2786.1778437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2786.5997187500006,"end":2787.7303437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2788.35471875,"end":2791.3584687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2791.7128437500005,"end":2797.0284687500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2797.51784375,"end":2798.7497187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2798.8847187500005,"end":2800.8084687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":2800.8084687500004,"end":2801.19659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2801.5847187500003,"end":2804.6728437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":2804.8584687500006,"end":2805.11159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2805.3815937500003,"end":2805.8203437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2806.0059687500006,"end":2807.3053437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2807.6765937500004,"end":2808.5709687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2808.8409687500007,"end":2811.27096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2811.67596875,"end":2813.2790937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2813.68409375,"end":2815.65846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2816.3672187500006,"end":2818.37534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2818.62846875,"end":2819.15159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2819.5565937500005,"end":2820.31596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2821.1259687500005,"end":2825.9522187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2826.2390937500004,"end":2830.3565937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2830.98096875,"end":2837.3428437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2837.59596875,"end":2840.7178437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":2837.6297187500004,"end":2838.1697187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2841.1397187500006,"end":2845.86471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":2846.1178437500002,"end":2846.1347187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":2846.1347187500005,"end":2846.5565937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":2846.5565937500005,"end":2846.59034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2847.18096875,"end":2850.7753437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2851.58534375,"end":2856.6647187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2856.9684687500003,"end":2861.3728437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2862.2334687500006,"end":2866.7897187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":2866.7897187500002,"end":2867.2959687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2867.1103437500005,"end":2868.51096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2868.81471875,"end":2871.64971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":2871.95346875,"end":2872.32471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2872.32471875,"end":2876.30721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2876.96534375,"end":2878.72034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2879.8678437500002,"end":2880.99846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2881.36971875,"end":2886.90471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":2886.90471875,"end":2887.3434687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2888.47409375,"end":2893.8065937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2894.49846875,"end":2912.16659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":2900.75909375,"end":2902.0078437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":2902.0078437500006,"end":2903.10471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2903.10471875,"end":2903.17221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":2903.17221875,"end":2903.64471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2912.7909687500005,"end":2914.14096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2914.7147187500004,"end":2921.85284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":2922.7809687500003,"end":2923.3209687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2923.35471875,"end":2932.39971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2933.24346875,"end":2935.28534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2936.01096875,"end":2937.10784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2937.3272187500006,"end":2938.13721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2938.86284375,"end":2940.06096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2940.5165937500005,"end":2942.9803437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2943.62159375,"end":2944.53284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2945.1572187500005,"end":2951.7890937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2953.1559687500003,"end":2958.8934687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2957.71221875,"end":2957.9147187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2958.97784375,"end":2961.4753437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2960.8678437500002,"end":2963.0615937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2963.0615937500006,"end":2967.31409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2965.7109687500006,"end":2965.9978437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2966.7234687500004,"end":2968.4109687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2968.86659375,"end":2972.79846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2973.25409375,"end":2977.06784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2977.8103437500004,"end":2979.29534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2980.2234687500004,"end":2999.79846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":2999.79846875,"end":3006.71721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":2999.9334687500004,"end":3001.8065937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3001.9247187500005,"end":3001.9753437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3002.24534375,"end":3002.5828437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3007.02096875,"end":3007.2909687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3007.2909687500005,"end":3007.3415937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3007.3415937500004,"end":3007.3584687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3007.3584687500006,"end":3009.60284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3010.0078437500006,"end":3010.1934687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3010.1934687500006,"end":3010.21034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3010.68284375,"end":3023.1872187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3023.1872187500003,"end":3026.0897187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3026.0897187500004,"end":3028.11471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3028.11471875,"end":3042.8972187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3028.3847187500005,"end":3029.0428437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3040.6697187500004,"end":3051.97596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3044.55096875,"end":3045.2428437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3052.3134687500005,"end":3060.12659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3060.12659375,"end":3060.9197187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3060.22784375,"end":3062.47221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3062.2528437500005,"end":3062.7422187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3062.5397187500002,"end":3066.97784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3067.58534375,"end":3070.70721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3071.4665937500004,"end":3072.29346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3072.6309687500006,"end":3075.0778437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3075.55034375,"end":3076.5459687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3077.2547187500004,"end":3078.90846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3079.27971875,"end":3079.88721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3080.47784375,"end":3082.2159687500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3083.19471875,"end":3084.6628437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3085.3209687500002,"end":3091.26096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3092.4422187500004,"end":3094.9228437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3095.8340937500006,"end":3098.2472187500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3099.0909687500007,"end":3108.43971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3109.09784375,"end":3110.78534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3111.34221875,"end":3113.0128437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3113.40096875,"end":3115.3584687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3115.8984687500006,"end":3118.81784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3118.37909375,"end":3119.61096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3119.4928437500002,"end":3123.88034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3120.92721875,"end":3121.0790937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3121.0790937500005,"end":3121.21409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3121.21409375,"end":3121.3828437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3123.88034375,"end":3130.9509687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3128.2340937500003,"end":3132.3515937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3132.3515937500006,"end":3132.6384687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3132.6384687500004,"end":3132.67221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3132.67221875,"end":3134.83221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3135.4228437500005,"end":3136.65471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3136.9753437500003,"end":3140.1309687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3140.9747187500006,"end":3143.9784687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3144.43409375,"end":3181.9472187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3176.98596875,"end":3177.1378437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3180.6140937500004,"end":3212.65971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3211.0565937500005,"end":3213.0984687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3213.06471875,"end":3215.24159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3215.47784375,"end":3217.11471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3217.4522187500006,"end":3218.66721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3219.10596875,"end":3223.13909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":3221.70471875,"end":3222.4472187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":3222.5147187500006,"end":3222.59909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":3222.64971875,"end":3222.8015937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":3223.13909375,"end":3223.93221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3223.93221875,"end":3235.18784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":3223.9490937500004,"end":3224.4890937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3230.31096875,"end":3230.3278437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3230.3447187500005,"end":3230.6315937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3235.18784375,"end":3237.0947187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_23","start":3235.2384687500007,"end":3235.7109687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3238.1747187500005,"end":3242.78159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3255.4715937500005,"end":3262.96409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3263.9259687500007,"end":3267.80721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3270.43971875,"end":3271.06409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3271.46909375,"end":3273.08909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3273.7809687500003,"end":3277.2740937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3277.56096875,"end":3277.98284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3283.5515937500004,"end":3287.9728437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3288.5634687500005,"end":3297.92909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3298.0809687500005,"end":3313.8759687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3314.63534375,"end":3334.56471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3315.22596875,"end":3315.6309687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3320.11971875,"end":3320.52471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":3322.2965937500003,"end":3322.33034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":3322.33034375,"end":3322.7184687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3334.58159375,"end":3382.1690937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3335.8640937500004,"end":3336.97784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":3336.97784375,"end":3337.5684687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3347.3728437500004,"end":3347.96346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":3347.96346875,"end":3349.02659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3349.02659375,"end":3349.5665937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3382.67534375,"end":3386.28659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3386.28659375,"end":3386.40471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3386.40471875,"end":3386.5059687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3386.5059687500006,"end":3386.5565937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3386.5565937500005,"end":3388.51409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3388.51409375,"end":3389.1384687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3388.8009687500007,"end":3392.24346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3392.3953437500004,"end":3396.7490937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3395.73659375,"end":3396.4959687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3396.7490937500006,"end":3396.7997187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3396.7997187500005,"end":3402.5372187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3397.06971875,"end":3397.4747187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3400.0397187500002,"end":3400.9678437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3401.0690937500003,"end":3401.1872187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3402.55409375,"end":3406.2159687500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3406.89096875,"end":3408.46034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3407.54909375,"end":3417.38721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3418.0622187500003,"end":3426.48284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3426.78659375,"end":3437.38409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3427.68096875,"end":3429.68909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3430.9884687500007,"end":3431.5790937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3436.30409375,"end":3436.65846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3437.5359687500004,"end":3443.72909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3442.88534375,"end":3447.40784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3447.64409375,"end":3447.6609687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3447.6609687500004,"end":3447.74534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3447.74534375,"end":3447.8972187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3447.8972187500003,"end":3455.3897187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3448.23471875,"end":3448.6903437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3454.3434687500003,"end":3455.47409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3456.67221875,"end":3460.06409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3460.18221875,"end":3460.60409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3460.70534375,"end":3460.8572187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3460.8572187500004,"end":3460.8740937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3460.8740937500006,"end":3462.4265937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":3465.7340937500003,"end":3466.2740937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3466.93221875,"end":3473.7665937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3474.27284375,"end":3474.62721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3475.0828437500004,"end":3480.2634687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3480.29721875,"end":3482.0690937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3482.6259687500005,"end":3496.4972187500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3495.90659375,"end":3496.34534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3496.9528437500003,"end":3497.10471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3497.10471875,"end":3504.46221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3497.23971875,"end":3498.1003437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3503.93909375,"end":3513.15284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3513.5240937500002,"end":3516.0553437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3516.4940937500005,"end":3518.2997187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3519.3290937500005,"end":3524.4590937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3525.0497187500005,"end":3526.8047187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3528.99846875,"end":3530.7197187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3531.69846875,"end":3532.9978437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3531.9347187500007,"end":3532.84596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3533.4872187500005,"end":3534.0272187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3534.0272187500004,"end":3534.66846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3535.3097187500007,"end":3537.48659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3536.7440937500005,"end":3536.96346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3536.96346875,"end":3537.0309687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3537.0309687500003,"end":3537.19971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3537.19971875,"end":3537.26721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3537.48659375,"end":3537.55409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3537.55409375,"end":3538.1953437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3538.7353437500005,"end":3539.4609687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3540.27096875,"end":3540.5915937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3541.3340937500006,"end":3544.0847187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3543.46034375,"end":3543.4772187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3543.4772187500002,"end":3545.0128437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3544.5065937500003,"end":3549.90659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3550.6153437500006,"end":3554.8340937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3553.8722187500007,"end":3555.0703437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3555.69471875,"end":3561.48284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3555.9815937500007,"end":3556.48784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3556.53846875,"end":3556.60596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3556.9434687500006,"end":3558.4284687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3560.2340937500003,"end":3561.0440937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3561.48284375,"end":3564.18284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3565.7859687500004,"end":3566.78159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3567.03471875,"end":3568.28346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3567.76034375,"end":3577.7165937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3578.1384687500004,"end":3579.03284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3579.03284375,"end":3579.0665937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3579.50534375,"end":3579.8428437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3581.85096875,"end":3583.90971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3584.43284375,"end":3585.76596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3586.37346875,"end":3589.09034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3589.3434687500003,"end":3590.76096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3591.4190937500007,"end":3592.1278437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3593.8153437500005,"end":3594.27096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3594.87846875,"end":3596.19471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3596.92034375,"end":3597.3590937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3597.93284375,"end":3598.6247187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3599.33346875,"end":3603.5353437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3603.7040937500005,"end":3603.72096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3603.72096875,"end":3603.8222187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3603.8222187500005,"end":3605.0878437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3605.0878437500005,"end":3605.10471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3605.10471875,"end":3605.12159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3605.12159375,"end":3605.5772187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3606.55596875,"end":3609.1715937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3609.50909375,"end":3611.19659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3610.3359687500006,"end":3610.9265937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3611.19659375,"end":3611.5847187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3611.5847187500003,"end":3611.9728437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3611.9728437500007,"end":3612.04034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3612.04034375,"end":3612.0740937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3612.0740937500004,"end":3612.1415937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3612.1415937500005,"end":3612.9684687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3612.9684687500003,"end":3613.0359687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3613.0359687500004,"end":3613.96409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3613.96409375,"end":3614.03159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3614.03159375,"end":3614.9765937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3614.9765937500006,"end":3615.36471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3615.36471875,"end":3619.3134687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3617.59221875,"end":3619.58346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3620.1572187500005,"end":3624.6122187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3624.9665937500004,"end":3626.1309687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3625.1522187500004,"end":3628.0378437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3628.49346875,"end":3631.6153437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3628.56096875,"end":3628.5778437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3628.61159375,"end":3629.10096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3631.2272187500002,"end":3631.6490937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3632.2565937500003,"end":3637.9772187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3640.4072187500005,"end":3642.06096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3643.1240937500006,"end":3645.7734687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3646.65096875,"end":3647.12346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3648.64221875,"end":3650.75159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3650.3634687500007,"end":3653.33346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3654.29534375,"end":3656.59034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3657.6365937500004,"end":3658.46346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3658.8009687500007,"end":3659.18909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3659.6447187500007,"end":3659.9822187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3664.6228437500004,"end":3669.5840937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3670.57971875,"end":3671.17034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3671.5078437500006,"end":3675.27096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3671.5584687500004,"end":3682.9490937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3680.3165937500007,"end":3682.02096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3683.10096875,"end":3690.7790937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3692.14596875,"end":3693.04034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3693.17534375,"end":3696.95534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3697.2253437500003,"end":3698.0184687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3698.77784375,"end":3702.20346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3703.6715937500003,"end":3708.54846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3708.78471875,"end":3711.5353437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3711.9909687500003,"end":3712.76721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3713.83034375,"end":3717.34034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3717.9815937500007,"end":3720.59721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3721.8290937500005,"end":3729.4059687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3727.3809687500006,"end":3727.65096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3727.9884687500007,"end":3733.3209687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3734.63721875,"end":3737.8097187500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3738.67034375,"end":3739.32846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3740.83034375,"end":3741.1847187500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3741.4715937500005,"end":3743.36159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3744.7453437500008,"end":3745.67346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3746.19659375,"end":3748.98096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3750.24659375,"end":3750.83721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3751.5965937500005,"end":3752.11971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3752.7272187500002,"end":3753.92534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3754.65096875,"end":3756.76034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3757.1315937500003,"end":3758.3634687500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3759.1397187500006,"end":3767.6447187500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3765.8728437500004,"end":3767.0372187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3767.6784687500003,"end":3767.6953437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3767.6953437500006,"end":3771.50909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3772.4540937500005,"end":3777.24659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3777.7697187500007,"end":3779.1365937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3779.7440937500005,"end":3781.9040937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3780.68909375,"end":3781.8365937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3782.42721875,"end":3783.3722187500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3782.61284375,"end":3783.92909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3784.23284375,"end":3784.2665937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3784.2665937500005,"end":3788.38409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3785.2453437500008,"end":3785.5997187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3788.8397187500004,"end":3797.96909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3791.1178437500002,"end":3791.1347187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3791.1347187500005,"end":3794.1384687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3794.54346875,"end":3795.03284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3795.9609687500006,"end":3796.23096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3796.72034375,"end":3797.07471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3797.3447187500005,"end":3798.76221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3799.3190937500003,"end":3800.75346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3800.9053437500006,"end":3803.40284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3803.9259687500007,"end":3808.51596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3808.81971875,"end":3810.20346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3810.7265937500006,"end":3814.30409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3815.26596875,"end":3821.0372187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3821.17221875,"end":3822.85971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3823.4503437500007,"end":3837.1022187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3827.1797187500006,"end":3827.7872187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3830.33534375,"end":3830.6728437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3833.0690937500003,"end":3833.5078437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3835.81971875,"end":3837.1359687500008},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3837.1359687500008,"end":3837.22034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3837.22034375,"end":3837.2372187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3837.2372187500005,"end":3837.33846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3837.33846875,"end":3837.4059687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3837.4059687500003,"end":3837.4903437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3837.4903437500006,"end":3844.32471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3839.02596875,"end":3839.0597187500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3844.7803437500006,"end":3849.6403437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3847.27784375,"end":3848.6278437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3849.2184687500003,"end":3852.69471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3853.23471875,"end":3864.03471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3864.27096875,"end":3869.8397187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3869.99159375,"end":3878.36159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3878.19284375,"end":3882.22596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3881.09534375,"end":3881.5509687500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3882.22596875,"end":3884.0147187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3882.6647187500002,"end":3899.6072187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3884.6728437500005,"end":3885.24659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3885.24659375,"end":3885.3478437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3885.3478437500007,"end":3885.5672187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3885.60096875,"end":3885.7022187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3885.7022187500006,"end":3885.8034687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3885.8034687500003,"end":3889.8028437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":3889.8028437500006,"end":3891.9628437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3891.9628437500005,"end":3893.6334687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3897.1940937500003,"end":3910.32284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3900.7547187500004,"end":3901.3622187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3901.81784375,"end":3903.45471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3903.5390937500006,"end":3907.4034687500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3909.4959687500004,"end":3910.01909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3910.32284375,"end":3910.5759687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3910.9472187500005,"end":3912.1453437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3911.3522187500002,"end":3912.0778437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3912.3984687500006,"end":3912.41534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3912.41534375,"end":3929.7628437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3912.4659687500007,"end":3914.40659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3916.0772187500006,"end":3917.6297187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3920.68409375,"end":3921.9665937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":3921.9665937500004,"end":3921.9834687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3923.99159375,"end":3925.61159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3925.6622187500006,"end":3925.6959687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":3925.81409375,"end":3926.9784687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":3926.9784687500005,"end":3926.9953437500008},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3929.9315937500005,"end":3930.0665937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3930.26909375,"end":3934.04909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3942.1490937500002,"end":3945.6590937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3946.2159687500007,"end":3950.3165937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3954.3497187500006,"end":3954.4003437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3954.4003437500005,"end":3954.97409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3954.97409375,"end":3955.0584687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3955.3790937500007,"end":3975.94971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3977.6709687500006,"end":3978.24471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3978.24471875,"end":3984.43784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3978.9872187500005,"end":3979.79721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3981.24846875,"end":3981.6872187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3983.0878437500005,"end":4011.9103437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4014.22221875,"end":4039.09596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_16","start":4021.9678437500006,"end":4022.84534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4022.84534375,"end":4022.8790937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4026.1190937500005,"end":4026.15284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4026.15284375,"end":4026.9122187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4033.18971875,"end":4033.51034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4034.2697187500007,"end":4034.6915937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4037.17221875,"end":4037.18909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4038.15096875,"end":4039.8722187500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4039.34909375,"end":4041.5428437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4040.31096875,"end":4051.7184687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4045.0359687500004,"end":4046.3184687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4046.3184687500006,"end":4046.4365937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4048.56284375,"end":4048.98471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4048.98471875,"end":4049.0353437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4049.0353437500007,"end":4049.96346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":4049.96346875,"end":4050.08159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4051.81971875,"end":4074.5672187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4065.03284375,"end":4065.9103437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4074.48284375,"end":4080.99659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4079.35971875,"end":4084.1522187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4082.07659375,"end":4082.5828437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4083.88221875,"end":4088.21909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4086.7003437500007,"end":4089.4509687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4088.64096875,"end":4090.75034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4090.6153437500006,"end":4096.70721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4091.71221875,"end":4092.08346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4093.16346875,"end":4093.8553437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4093.9228437500005,"end":4094.19284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4096.909718749999,"end":4097.02784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":4097.02784375,"end":4097.16284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4097.16284375,"end":4097.68596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":4097.68596875,"end":4113.66659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4102.815968749999,"end":4103.153468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4109.852843750001,"end":4130.4403437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4129.98471875,"end":4164.05534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4134.456593749999,"end":4134.827843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4139.18159375,"end":4139.805968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4141.493468750001,"end":4141.61159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4141.74659375,"end":4142.87721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4143.029093749999,"end":4143.24846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4143.2822187500005,"end":4143.38346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4162.722218749999,"end":4167.6834687499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4167.885968750001,"end":4168.999718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4168.64534375,"end":4172.30721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4171.83471875,"end":4175.850968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4175.850968750001,"end":4183.88346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4177.639718750001,"end":4179.462218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4183.731593750001,"end":4194.514718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4194.6834687499995,"end":4205.63534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4205.888468749999,"end":4206.124718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4207.170968750001,"end":4217.7684687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4211.77784375,"end":4212.53721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4213.56659375,"end":4213.6678437499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4214.849093750001,"end":4216.587218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4217.49846875,"end":4218.39284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4218.544718749999,"end":4220.26596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4220.0634687500005,"end":4222.69596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4223.08409375,"end":4231.960343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4224.29909375,"end":4224.67034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4230.28971875,"end":4236.85409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4235.31846875,"end":4240.27971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4240.026593750001,"end":4240.397843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4240.347218749999,"end":4251.95721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4243.350968750001,"end":4243.36784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4243.36784375,"end":4243.65471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4243.65471875,"end":4243.6884687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4245.510968750001,"end":4245.966593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4245.966593749999,"end":4249.5947187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4251.737843749999,"end":4254.85971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4254.741593750001,"end":4261.491593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4255.5009687500005,"end":4256.41221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4256.429093750001,"end":4286.44971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4263.53346875,"end":4263.82034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":4263.82034375,"end":4264.03971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4264.03971875,"end":4264.14096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":4264.14096875,"end":4264.259093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4264.259093750001,"end":4264.7147187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":4264.7147187499995,"end":4264.83284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4264.83284375,"end":4265.1365937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4286.63534375,"end":4296.25409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4296.6590937500005,"end":4313.17971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4313.5340937500005,"end":4319.27159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4319.74409375,"end":4324.637843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4325.009093750001,"end":4342.27221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4343.35221875,"end":4344.71909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4344.76971875,"end":4353.81471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4354.439093749999,"end":4354.84409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4355.87346875,"end":4361.155343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4362.640343749999,"end":4394.989718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4365.66096875,"end":4365.9647187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4366.75784375,"end":4367.17971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4367.17971875,"end":4367.21346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4369.913468750001,"end":4370.335343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4385.50596875,"end":4385.894093749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4386.6365937499995,"end":4386.67034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4386.67034375,"end":4387.42971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4388.07096875,"end":4389.420968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4390.12971875,"end":4390.14659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4390.14659375,"end":4390.484093749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4395.090968750001,"end":4405.60409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4396.305968750001,"end":4396.55909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4398.06096875,"end":4399.05659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4405.78971875,"end":4409.670968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4409.670968750001,"end":4413.58596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4413.11346875,"end":4423.677218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4418.54721875,"end":4418.715968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4418.715968750001,"end":4418.88471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4418.88471875,"end":4418.91846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4418.91846875,"end":4419.34034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4421.12909375,"end":4421.7197187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4423.66034375,"end":4425.95534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4424.622218750001,"end":4425.5165937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4425.71909375,"end":4425.8709687499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4425.95534375,"end":4425.972218749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4426.27596875,"end":4428.25034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4428.25034375,"end":4431.034718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4431.034718749999,"end":4435.08471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4431.06846875,"end":4431.15284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4431.94596875,"end":4432.23284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4435.08471875,"end":4436.50221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4436.50221875,"end":4454.03534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4454.001593749999,"end":4455.554093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4454.389718750001,"end":4456.212218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4456.00971875,"end":4456.33034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4456.33034375,"end":4457.714093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4456.347218749999,"end":4456.397843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4457.950343750001,"end":4465.122218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4465.577843749999,"end":4470.20159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4470.80909375,"end":4477.89659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4477.94721875,"end":4488.71346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4490.012843750001,"end":4491.24471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4492.27409375,"end":4497.640343749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":4497.640343749999,"end":4498.770968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4498.349093750001,"end":4504.305968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4504.55909375,"end":4504.575968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4504.575968749999,"end":4514.5322187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4514.5322187500005,"end":4514.92034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4514.751593749999,"end":4517.198468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4517.434718750001,"end":4525.5009687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4525.112843749999,"end":4526.091593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4525.770968750001,"end":4526.91846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4526.952218750001,"end":4548.67034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4535.50784375,"end":4535.87909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4537.077218750001,"end":4537.09409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4539.642218749999,"end":4539.6590937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4539.6590937500005,"end":4540.04721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":4546.98284375,"end":4547.03346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4547.03346875,"end":4547.77596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":4547.77596875,"end":4547.8603437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4547.8603437500005,"end":4547.97846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":4547.97846875,"end":4548.029093749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4548.029093749999,"end":4548.53534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4548.80534375,"end":4549.14284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4549.3622187500005,"end":4555.909718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4553.530343750001,"end":4555.92659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4555.92659375,"end":4555.99409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4556.02784375,"end":4574.92784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4562.811593750001,"end":4562.96346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4563.01409375,"end":4563.030968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4563.638468749999,"end":4563.655343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4564.3134687500005,"end":4564.482218749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4564.482218749999,"end":4564.51596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4570.10159375,"end":4570.50659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4574.91096875,"end":4575.33284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4574.97846875,"end":4575.079718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4575.16409375,"end":4608.137843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4578.083468750001,"end":4578.72471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4581.66096875,"end":4581.89721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4582.33596875,"end":4582.75784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4583.804093750001,"end":4584.24284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4592.005343750001,"end":4592.30909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4599.48096875,"end":4599.514718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4599.514718750001,"end":4599.81846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4599.81846875,"end":4599.85221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4608.137843750001,"end":4613.97659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4608.779093749999,"end":4610.16284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4613.048468749999,"end":4618.17846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4615.7147187499995,"end":4616.35596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4617.4022187499995,"end":4620.01784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4618.920968750001,"end":4625.198468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4621.89096875,"end":4622.4647187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4622.802218750001,"end":4628.050343749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4626.85221875,"end":4627.66221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":4627.66221875,"end":4628.30346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4628.050343749999,"end":4629.16409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4628.30346875,"end":4628.337218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":4628.337218750001,"end":4628.40471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4628.40471875,"end":4628.944718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":4629.130343750001,"end":4629.2822187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":4629.16409375,"end":4630.27784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":4631.35784375,"end":4635.91409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4641.34784375,"end":4643.372843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":4643.8622187500005,"end":4645.93784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4647.20346875,"end":4650.67971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":4651.18596875,"end":4653.05909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4652.35034375,"end":4652.384093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4653.784718749999,"end":4654.03784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4654.442843750001,"end":4664.02784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4664.44971875,"end":4668.077843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4668.43221875,"end":4668.98909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4669.579718749999,"end":4673.9334687499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":4673.44409375,"end":4674.01784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4674.01784375,"end":4679.519093749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4679.704718749999,"end":4681.29096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4681.5947187500005,"end":4684.345343749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4684.61534375,"end":4687.78784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4687.51784375,"end":4687.75409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4688.243468750001,"end":4692.462218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4692.85034375,"end":4696.3603437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4696.579718749999,"end":4701.20346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4701.4228437500005,"end":4703.92034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4704.139718750001,"end":4709.72534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4710.0965937500005,"end":4712.83034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4713.28596875,"end":4719.9853437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4720.27221875,"end":4732.067843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4733.36721875,"end":4743.981593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4743.99846875,"end":4753.85346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4755.557843750001,"end":4756.350968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4756.5028437500005,"end":4764.045968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4764.653468750001,"end":4793.25659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4793.8134687500005,"end":4800.749093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4800.833468750001,"end":4803.044093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4803.179093750001,"end":4807.532843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4807.75221875,"end":4854.02346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4820.44221875,"end":4820.91471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4821.96096875,"end":4822.028468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4822.028468750001,"end":4822.264718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4822.264718750001,"end":4822.3153437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4851.137843750001,"end":4860.132218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4856.36909375,"end":4856.74034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4856.892218749999,"end":4861.6678437499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4860.638468749999,"end":4861.38096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4861.6678437499995,"end":4862.055968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4862.055968750001,"end":4865.700968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4862.07284375,"end":4862.612843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4864.31721875,"end":4865.751593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4865.751593749999,"end":4865.802218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4865.802218750001,"end":4866.02159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4866.02159375,"end":4866.038468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4866.038468750001,"end":4874.88096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4866.91596875,"end":4867.0340937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4867.10159375,"end":4867.725968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4875.218468749999,"end":4880.888468749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4881.310343749999,"end":4889.54534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4889.88284375,"end":4905.694718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4907.010968750001,"end":4925.759093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4910.35221875,"end":4910.706593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4924.5947187500005,"end":4931.2772187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4927.294718749999,"end":4928.374718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4929.57284375,"end":4929.80909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4929.977843750001,"end":4931.26034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4931.2772187499995,"end":4931.479718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4931.479718750001,"end":4962.647843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4931.59784375,"end":4933.673468749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4939.79909375,"end":4940.339093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4940.339093750001,"end":4940.389718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4953.5184687500005,"end":4957.9228437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4962.934718750001,"end":4966.05659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4966.529093749999,"end":4967.06909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4967.40659375,"end":4974.52784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":4967.49096875,"end":4968.840968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4974.76409375,"end":4979.151593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4980.34971875,"end":4987.52159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4988.044718749999,"end":4990.778468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4991.048468749999,"end":4993.7822187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":4994.102843750001,"end":4999.46909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":4994.11971875,"end":4994.69346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":4994.69346875,"end":4994.710343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5000.059718750001,"end":5007.889718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":5000.1103437500005,"end":5000.49846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5005.780343750001,"end":5033.235968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5031.00846875,"end":5039.96909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5039.96909375,"end":5055.25784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5041.70721875,"end":5044.23846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5049.8240937499995,"end":5052.05159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5053.99221875,"end":5063.30721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5064.218468749999,"end":5075.22096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5075.575343750001,"end":5081.802218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5082.595343749999,"end":5096.567843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5097.02346875,"end":5104.077218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5104.684718750001,"end":5107.97534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5107.97534375,"end":5119.7372187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5111.755343750001,"end":5115.974093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5117.712218750001,"end":5120.64846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5121.357218749999,"end":5126.03159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5126.35221875,"end":5127.702218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5128.394093750001,"end":5130.62159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5131.17846875,"end":5132.25846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5132.714093750001,"end":5133.8447187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5134.31721875,"end":5141.26971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5141.8603437500005,"end":5148.272843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5148.509093750001,"end":5149.673468749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5150.432843750001,"end":5154.702218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5155.3603437500005,"end":5159.984093749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5160.52409375,"end":5164.725968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5165.468468749999,"end":5174.39534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5166.312218749999,"end":5168.55659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5175.357218749999,"end":5176.36971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5177.21346875,"end":5180.72346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5181.0272187499995,"end":5195.13471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5195.286593750001,"end":5205.411593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5205.9178437499995,"end":5209.208468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5209.765343749999,"end":5220.21096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5220.649718750001,"end":5232.63096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5233.204718749999,"end":5244.42659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5244.645968750001,"end":5245.9959687499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5246.333468750001,"end":5248.155968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5249.92784375,"end":5255.007218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5252.03721875,"end":5252.40846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5254.36596875,"end":5254.4334687499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5255.007218750001,"end":5255.02409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5255.02409375,"end":5255.04096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5255.04096875,"end":5255.12534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5255.12534375,"end":5256.171593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5257.015343749999,"end":5257.57221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5257.57221875,"end":5257.960343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5257.622843749999,"end":5262.499718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5260.50846875,"end":5266.397843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5265.790343750001,"end":5269.23284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5269.57034375,"end":5269.874093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5270.21159375,"end":5286.66471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5288.0653437500005,"end":5291.50784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":5291.760968750001,"end":5296.73909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":5297.380343750001,"end":5299.827218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":5300.755343750001,"end":5302.88159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5312.517218749999,"end":5315.53784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":5316.499718749999,"end":5316.63471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":5317.073468750001,"end":5320.2459687499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5322.8447187500005,"end":5349.96284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5323.030343750001,"end":5323.60409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5350.46909375,"end":5406.47721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5352.67971875,"end":5353.725968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5406.91596875,"end":5433.66284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5434.37159375,"end":5454.06471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5454.58784375,"end":5455.920968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5456.140343749999,"end":5469.218468749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5470.062218749999,"end":5474.12909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5474.34846875,"end":5475.58034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5475.698468750001,"end":5481.030968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5481.739718750001,"end":5483.3934687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5484.94596875,"end":5492.11784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5493.315968750001,"end":5500.774718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5501.382218750001,"end":5503.305968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5503.94721875,"end":5506.309718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5507.30534375,"end":5509.634093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5511.89534375,"end":5518.18971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":5518.18971875,"end":5518.206593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":5519.82659375,"end":5527.74096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5523.91034375,"end":5524.23096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5527.4540937500005,"end":5531.13284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":5529.934718750001,"end":5551.09596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5550.52221875,"end":5594.987843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":5595.29159375,"end":5599.88159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5599.206593750001,"end":5631.15096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":5630.104718750001,"end":5652.042218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5650.32096875,"end":5662.167218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5662.55534375,"end":5664.597218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5665.05284375,"end":5666.03159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5666.470343749999,"end":5700.54096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5700.608468750001,"end":5709.85596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5710.17659375,"end":5713.36596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5710.210343750001,"end":5715.52596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5713.99034375,"end":5715.49221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5715.52596875,"end":5715.593468749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5715.593468749999,"end":5716.55534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5715.86346875,"end":5715.9647187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5716.065968750001,"end":5717.50034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5717.50034375,"end":5732.7215937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5717.7197187500005,"end":5717.905343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5732.97471875,"end":5743.8759687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5744.196593750001,"end":5763.5184687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5762.759093750001,"end":5776.00596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5764.919093750001,"end":5765.17221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5775.85409375,"end":5779.04346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5777.845343749999,"end":5786.755343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5787.936593750001,"end":5823.47534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5824.09971875,"end":5837.9540937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5838.42659375,"end":5850.39096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5851.724093750001,"end":5853.10784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5851.909718750001,"end":5858.1365937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5858.811593750001,"end":5864.903468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5864.78534375,"end":5866.94534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5865.460343750001,"end":5876.378468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5872.22721875,"end":5872.260968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5872.345343750001,"end":5879.82096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5878.31909375,"end":5879.34846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5879.82096875,"end":5886.368468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5879.83784375,"end":5879.905343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5884.2928437499995,"end":5885.237843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5886.01409375,"end":5891.295968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5891.41409375,"end":5891.852843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5891.852843750001,"end":5892.6122187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5893.860968750001,"end":5895.177218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5894.02971875,"end":5894.9072187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5895.177218750001,"end":5895.21096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5895.21096875,"end":5895.29534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5895.29534375,"end":5895.71721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5895.71721875,"end":5909.2509687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5895.734093749999,"end":5898.01221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":5898.01221875,"end":5898.06284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5909.706593750001,"end":5911.309718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5911.83284375,"end":5912.4403437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5913.14909375,"end":5916.57471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5917.04721875,"end":5920.0340937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5920.42221875,"end":5926.4803437499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5926.4803437499995,"end":5936.858468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5936.13284375,"end":5958.07034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5937.7528437500005,"end":5939.288468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":5947.23659375,"end":5948.97471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5948.97471875,"end":5949.548468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5949.95346875,"end":5950.122218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5951.50596875,"end":5951.894093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5954.59409375,"end":5954.948468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5954.948468750001,"end":5954.96534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5958.880343750001,"end":5962.23846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5960.432843750001,"end":5969.35971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5969.46096875,"end":5980.682843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5980.17659375,"end":6003.37971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5980.767218750001,"end":5980.80096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":5980.83471875,"end":5980.88534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5997.38909375,"end":5997.54096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":5997.54096875,"end":5998.38471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5998.38471875,"end":5998.401593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6001.08471875,"end":6001.118468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6001.8778437500005,"end":6001.962218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":6003.37971875,"end":6007.210343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6019.2928437499995,"end":6027.224093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6027.6122187500005,"end":6028.70909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6033.19784375,"end":6033.75471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6034.00784375,"end":6034.56471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6034.93596875,"end":6045.5165937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6045.5165937500005,"end":6047.474093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6046.32659375,"end":6053.481593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6053.616593750001,"end":6054.6122187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6054.359093749999,"end":6064.0115937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6055.60784375,"end":6056.9072187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6056.991593750001,"end":6057.29534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6064.720343750001,"end":6067.065968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6066.89721875,"end":6069.968468749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6070.356593750001,"end":6073.630343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6073.1747187500005,"end":6074.72721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6074.54159375,"end":6074.91284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6075.19971875,"end":6085.42596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6079.99221875,"end":6081.67971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6083.468468749999,"end":6084.885968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6085.45971875,"end":6088.497218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6088.817843750001,"end":6092.73284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6093.6103437500005,"end":6102.80721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6103.499093750001,"end":6103.9715937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6104.86596875,"end":6112.79721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6114.687218749999,"end":6115.17659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6115.27784375,"end":6116.948468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6116.77971875,"end":6117.15096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6117.032843750001,"end":6130.61721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6131.22471875,"end":6136.28721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6137.856593750001,"end":6138.34596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6138.835343750001,"end":6144.28596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6142.075343750001,"end":6145.78784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6144.35346875,"end":6144.370343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6144.38721875,"end":6146.935343749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6146.96909375,"end":6155.40659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6157.27971875,"end":6161.329718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6159.794093750001,"end":6162.20721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6162.20721875,"end":6167.30346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6167.30346875,"end":6168.72096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6168.974093750001,"end":6172.97346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6172.247843749999,"end":6185.5115937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6186.0009687500005,"end":6190.827218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6191.35034375,"end":6198.85971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6199.04534375,"end":6202.3865937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6202.960343750001,"end":6213.49034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6213.91221875,"end":6217.0340937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6218.92409375,"end":6220.257218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6219.10971875,"end":6223.88534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6222.889718750001,"end":6224.25659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6224.64471875,"end":6226.19721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6226.19721875,"end":6228.694718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6229.79159375,"end":6230.26409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6231.276593750001,"end":6233.2509687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6233.45346875,"end":6236.389718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6238.532843750001,"end":6239.899718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6240.15284375,"end":6241.401593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6241.9247187500005,"end":6250.09221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6250.345343750001,"end":6254.81721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6255.1209687499995,"end":6263.794718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6264.19971875,"end":6268.2665937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6268.51971875,"end":6275.48909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6275.97846875,"end":6280.112843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6280.7372187500005,"end":6282.81284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6283.065968750001,"end":6289.2928437499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6289.83284375,"end":6298.6415937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6298.69221875,"end":6301.05471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6301.5272187499995,"end":6309.67784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6310.487843750001,"end":6310.89284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6311.07846875,"end":6312.732218749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6313.52534375,"end":6314.858468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6315.21284375,"end":6317.710343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6318.43596875,"end":6322.1990937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6322.452218750001,"end":6328.71284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6329.32034375,"end":6332.25659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6335.81721875,"end":6341.4872187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6340.019093750001,"end":6340.440968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6341.4872187500005,"end":6349.435343749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6349.75596875,"end":6352.75971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6353.16471875,"end":6355.88159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6355.61159375,"end":6360.825968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6358.93596875,"end":6359.475968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6360.1678437499995,"end":6364.23471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":6361.028468750001,"end":6361.450343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6365.331593750001,"end":6369.128468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6369.128468750001,"end":6370.69784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6369.972218750001,"end":6372.7059687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6372.06471875,"end":6382.93221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6383.387843750001,"end":6387.184718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6386.2059687500005,"end":6407.620343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6408.177218750001,"end":6411.11346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6411.61971875,"end":6413.661593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6413.72909375,"end":6417.28971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6417.89721875,"end":6420.276593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6420.512843750001,"end":6423.465968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6423.735968750001,"end":6425.87909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6426.06471875,"end":6431.430968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6432.122843749999,"end":6436.47659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6437.100968750001,"end":6439.14284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6439.682843750001,"end":6442.585343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6443.294093750001,"end":6445.84221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6447.225968750001,"end":6447.95159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6449.014718750001,"end":6450.14534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6450.415343750001,"end":6451.88346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6452.06909375,"end":6453.216593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6454.904093749999,"end":6455.68034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6456.11909375,"end":6457.33409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6457.671593749999,"end":6459.122843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6459.49409375,"end":6463.05471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6463.74659375,"end":6464.96159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":6465.079718750001,"end":6466.19346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6465.34971875,"end":6488.95784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6489.80159375,"end":6490.98284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6491.32034375,"end":6495.28596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6494.86409375,"end":6497.800343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6497.530343750001,"end":6501.310343749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6501.0740937499995,"end":6512.245343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6512.78534375,"end":6514.05096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6514.33784375,"end":6515.8397187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6517.29096875,"end":6518.708468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6520.7840937500005,"end":6522.11721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6522.28596875,"end":6524.78346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6525.0028437500005,"end":6525.99846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6526.99409375,"end":6528.44534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6528.86721875,"end":6532.022843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6532.5965937500005,"end":6533.8622187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6534.09846875,"end":6535.077218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6535.684718750001,"end":6539.8865937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6540.089093750001,"end":6541.675343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6542.620343750001,"end":6545.708468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6546.06284375,"end":6549.0497187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6549.977843750001,"end":6551.5809687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6552.087218750001,"end":6553.33596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6554.07846875,"end":6555.20909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6555.647843750001,"end":6556.6434687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6557.92596875,"end":6562.026593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6559.5965937500005,"end":6563.91659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6563.96721875,"end":6567.983468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6568.4559687500005,"end":6569.7215937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6570.5653437500005,"end":6572.657843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6573.180968750001,"end":6575.189093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6575.49284375,"end":6582.86721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":6584.1834687499995,"end":6584.36909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6584.35221875,"end":6585.48284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6586.56284375,"end":6589.920968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6590.106593750001,"end":6604.23096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6604.484093749999,"end":6606.66096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6607.13346875,"end":6608.854718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6609.546593749999,"end":6612.66846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6612.71909375,"end":6615.0478437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6615.30096875,"end":6622.540343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6622.5740937499995,"end":6623.384093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6625.020968750001,"end":6627.40034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6627.24846875,"end":6634.60596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6634.74096875,"end":6636.546593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6636.968468749999,"end":6656.003468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6656.40846875,"end":6657.977843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6659.02409375,"end":6659.63159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6659.850968750001,"end":6661.8759687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6662.939093750001,"end":6664.94721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6665.385968750001,"end":6672.220343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6672.86159375,"end":6673.722218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6674.86971875,"end":6675.510968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6675.76409375,"end":6684.4715937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6684.94409375,"end":6686.901593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6687.57659375,"end":6688.774718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6689.888468749999,"end":6690.833468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6691.778468750001,"end":6692.200343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6692.95971875,"end":6695.35596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6696.216593749999,"end":6697.499093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6697.6678437499995,"end":6699.794093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6700.1990937499995,"end":6701.68409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6703.1522187499995,"end":6707.87721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6708.40034375,"end":6708.872843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6709.3622187500005,"end":6710.577218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6711.370343750001,"end":6711.77534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6713.985968750001,"end":6725.5115937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6725.78159375,"end":6728.39721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6728.81909375,"end":6731.434718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6733.69596875,"end":6737.340968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6737.796593749999,"end":6740.479718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6740.26034375,"end":6743.41596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6741.57659375,"end":6742.538468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6742.8759687500005,"end":6749.72721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6750.368468750001,"end":6751.88721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6751.88721875,"end":6758.4853437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6753.81096875,"end":6754.671593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6757.74284375,"end":6759.497843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":6759.16034375,"end":6759.177218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":6759.177218750001,"end":6760.341593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6760.122218750001,"end":6761.4384687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":6760.9490937499995,"end":6765.555968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6773.30159375,"end":6777.554093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":6777.840968750001,"end":6778.7353437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6782.5322187500005,"end":6784.017218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6785.68784375,"end":6786.362843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6787.442843750001,"end":6809.279093749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6810.359093749999,"end":6822.795968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_16","start":6814.864718750001,"end":6815.03346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6815.03346875,"end":6815.06721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6817.88534375,"end":6818.239718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6821.22659375,"end":6821.530343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6822.81284375,"end":6824.83784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6825.090968750001,"end":6839.856593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6840.58221875,"end":6847.028468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6847.33221875,"end":6850.8759687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6851.97284375,"end":6882.80346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":6858.62159375,"end":6858.638468749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6858.638468749999,"end":6859.00971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":6859.00971875,"end":6859.026593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6876.23909375,"end":6876.57659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6883.46159375,"end":6892.540343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6892.911593750001,"end":6902.20971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6902.46284375,"end":6903.171593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":6902.800343750001,"end":6903.745343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6903.930968750001,"end":6911.96346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":6912.604718750001,"end":6913.920968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6913.920968750001,"end":6914.528468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6914.88284375,"end":6916.485968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6917.093468750001,"end":6929.108468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6929.12534375,"end":6931.2684687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6931.6903437500005,"end":6934.154093749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6934.23846875,"end":6935.53784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6936.0947187500005,"end":6937.32659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6937.579718750001,"end":6947.012843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6947.50221875,"end":6949.64534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6950.06721875,"end":6951.99096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6952.69971875,"end":6954.6572187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6955.112843750001,"end":6966.081593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6966.62159375,"end":6967.077218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6967.499093750001,"end":6973.28721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6973.65846875,"end":6976.358468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6976.5947187500005,"end":6979.260968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6979.42971875,"end":6981.96096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6982.56846875,"end":6984.407843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6984.66096875,"end":6987.34409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6987.5634687500005,"end":6989.757218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6990.465968750001,"end":6992.187218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":6992.524718750001,"end":7001.384093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7001.63721875,"end":7003.020968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7003.442843750001,"end":7015.23846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7015.727843750001,"end":7019.524718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7019.575343750001,"end":7037.7665937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7036.36596875,"end":7037.192843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_24","start":7039.015343750001,"end":7057.29096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_24","start":7057.64534375,"end":7069.997843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7070.63909375,"end":7071.53346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7071.95534375,"end":7074.2840937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":7074.2840937500005,"end":7074.604718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7075.09409375,"end":7079.22846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7079.49846875,"end":7080.34221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7080.84846875,"end":7085.7928437499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7086.14721875,"end":7089.4715937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7089.96096875,"end":7092.57659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7092.91409375,"end":7096.491593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7097.13284375,"end":7103.59596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7103.78159375,"end":7110.10971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7110.1434687500005,"end":7113.82221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7114.530968750001,"end":7157.342843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7118.7665937500005,"end":7118.86784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7119.01971875,"end":7119.07034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7151.21721875,"end":7151.234093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7151.234093750001,"end":7151.520968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7152.01034375,"end":7152.4490937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7153.74846875,"end":7154.794718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7155.975968750001,"end":7179.4490937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":7166.26971875,"end":7166.4384687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7179.702218750001,"end":7180.1747187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7180.5965937500005,"end":7180.88346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7181.17034375,"end":7185.01784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7185.608468750001,"end":7185.7772187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7186.300343750001,"end":7189.540343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7190.02971875,"end":7191.1434687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7191.58221875,"end":7199.429093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7199.81721875,"end":7219.56096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7220.21909375,"end":7229.145968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7229.39909375,"end":7231.7615937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7232.74034375,"end":7233.314093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7233.58409375,"end":7236.0478437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7236.419093750001,"end":7242.44346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7242.780968750001,"end":7242.86534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7242.86534375,"end":7251.67409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7251.96096875,"end":7253.530343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7252.214093750001,"end":7260.179093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7255.3865937499995,"end":7257.95159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7259.6728437500005,"end":7265.68034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7266.57471875,"end":7269.173468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7266.878468750001,"end":7267.18221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7267.300343750001,"end":7270.42221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":7269.409718750001,"end":7269.544718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":7272.44721875,"end":7275.450968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":7275.82221875,"end":7278.640343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7284.3778437500005,"end":7288.03971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":7288.5965937500005,"end":7288.630343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7288.630343750001,"end":7288.967843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":7288.967843750001,"end":7289.524718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7293.169718749999,"end":7301.45534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7301.74221875,"end":7303.952843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7304.290343750001,"end":7307.142218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7307.715968750001,"end":7315.46159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7315.98471875,"end":7322.380343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7323.3084687499995,"end":7340.79096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":7328.32034375,"end":7328.35409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7328.35409375,"end":7328.72534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":7328.72534375,"end":7328.74221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7329.045968750001,"end":7329.58596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7333.686593750001,"end":7333.7372187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7333.7372187500005,"end":7334.1590937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7335.30659375,"end":7335.323468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7335.323468750001,"end":7336.673468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7337.77034375,"end":7341.38159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7341.56721875,"end":7351.5740937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7342.19159375,"end":7344.132218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7347.52409375,"end":7348.55346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7349.194718750001,"end":7354.577843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7353.5653437500005,"end":7358.25659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7354.999718750001,"end":7355.69159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7355.894093750001,"end":7357.85159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7358.30721875,"end":7361.901593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7362.407843750001,"end":7370.69346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7371.317843750001,"end":7386.2353437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7386.319718750001,"end":7387.264718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7387.635968750001,"end":7401.0009687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7393.42409375,"end":7394.4872187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7401.15284375,"end":7406.4853437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7405.18596875,"end":7405.202843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7405.202843750001,"end":7406.02971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7406.73846875,"end":7413.75846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7411.75034375,"end":7416.036593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7415.007218750001,"end":7422.921593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7416.72846875,"end":7417.28534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7418.702843750001,"end":7420.255343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7421.45346875,"end":7423.815968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7423.545968750001,"end":7424.372843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7424.74409375,"end":7426.65096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7426.88721875,"end":7430.12721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7430.329718750001,"end":7432.08471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7432.13534375,"end":7432.8778437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7433.95784375,"end":7442.17596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7442.715968750001,"end":7449.06096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7449.8709687499995,"end":7450.394093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7451.0184687500005,"end":7451.9803437499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7452.53721875,"end":7459.52346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7461.075968749999,"end":7485.29159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7477.394093750001,"end":7477.42784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7477.42784375,"end":7478.237843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7482.38909375,"end":7482.94596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7483.6209687499995,"end":7487.26596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7487.55284375,"end":7495.60221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7496.142218750001,"end":7498.75784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7499.2303437499995,"end":7508.984093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7510.874093750001,"end":7518.95721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7516.37534375,"end":7530.53346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7519.109093750001,"end":7521.5897187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7522.23096875,"end":7523.1590937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7529.470343750001,"end":7531.00596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7530.71909375,"end":7541.58659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7541.654093749999,"end":7554.698468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7554.9178437499995,"end":7559.659718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7560.182843750001,"end":7565.21159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7565.58284375,"end":7567.74284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7567.962218750001,"end":7577.86784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7578.036593750001,"end":7588.718468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7589.376593750001,"end":7590.169718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7590.57471875,"end":7593.47721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7593.747218750001,"end":7603.214093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7603.7372187500005,"end":7614.99284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7615.6678437499995,"end":7624.61159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7620.966593749999,"end":7621.354718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7621.354718750001,"end":7621.405343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7621.962218750001,"end":7622.4178437499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7624.9490937499995,"end":7629.8934687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7628.49284375,"end":7628.610968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_24","start":7628.610968750001,"end":7628.796593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7630.19721875,"end":7636.4072187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_24","start":7635.512843750001,"end":7635.968468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7635.968468750001,"end":7636.019093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7636.491593750001,"end":7671.186593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7661.331593750001,"end":7661.753468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7667.4403437500005,"end":7667.946593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7668.216593749999,"end":7669.6678437499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7670.27534375,"end":7673.02596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7671.91221875,"end":7676.92409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7674.29159375,"end":7677.80159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7677.34596875,"end":7688.41596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7681.024718750001,"end":7681.632218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":7689.20909375,"end":7689.85034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7689.360968750001,"end":7720.74846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":7692.4490937499995,"end":7692.95534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7702.118468750001,"end":7702.388468749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7706.03346875,"end":7706.74221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7708.14284375,"end":7708.210343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":7708.210343750001,"end":7708.66596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7719.887843750001,"end":7727.86971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7724.62971875,"end":7724.798468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7728.173468750001,"end":7741.8759687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7729.388468749999,"end":7732.4090937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7733.72534375,"end":7734.2147187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":7741.8759687500005,"end":7742.095343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7742.095343750001,"end":7757.249093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7752.96284375,"end":7753.78971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7754.9540937500005,"end":7812.48096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7814.3709687499995,"end":7842.14721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7819.4334687499995,"end":7819.88909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":7819.88909375,"end":7819.99034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7833.99659375,"end":7834.6209687499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7840.51034375,"end":7841.06721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7841.48909375,"end":7847.6990937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7846.635968750001,"end":7851.20909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7850.78721875,"end":7862.36346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7851.411593750001,"end":7851.68159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7857.33471875,"end":7858.296593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":7862.667218750001,"end":7865.654093749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7863.24096875,"end":7863.47721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7863.966593749999,"end":7867.206593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7868.8603437500005,"end":7871.54346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7873.18034375,"end":7874.5809687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7877.50034375,"end":7879.170968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7880.622218750001,"end":7881.314093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7881.735968750001,"end":7882.107218749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7883.25471875,"end":7885.448468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":7886.0897187499995,"end":7886.68034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7886.0897187499995,"end":7889.39721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7889.700968749999,"end":7913.1572187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7913.35971875,"end":7922.97846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7924.3622187500005,"end":7924.767218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":7924.41284375,"end":7933.79534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7926.35346875,"end":7927.12971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7929.25596875,"end":7930.33596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7932.0740937499995,"end":7934.68971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":7935.364718750001,"end":7936.51221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":7936.7147187499995,"end":7940.005343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7936.917218750001,"end":7938.689093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7939.2459687499995,"end":7941.3553437499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":7940.1572187500005,"end":7940.747843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7941.6590937500005,"end":7945.067843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":7941.692843750001,"end":7943.481593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7945.405343750001,"end":7946.50221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":7945.52346875,"end":7962.24659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":7953.72471875,"end":7954.18034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":7954.18034375,"end":7954.19721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":7954.19721875,"end":7954.214093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7960.28909375,"end":7960.727843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7961.92596875,"end":7965.16596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":7962.600968750001,"end":7962.735968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7965.419093750001,"end":7982.54721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":7982.91846875,"end":7989.71909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7984.84221875,"end":7985.2978437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":7986.934718750001,"end":7988.284718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":7988.284718750001,"end":7988.31846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":7990.208468750001,"end":8047.532843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8010.30659375,"end":8010.76221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8017.32659375,"end":8017.56284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":8043.786593750001,"end":8045.22096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":8047.532843750001,"end":8047.5497187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":8047.56659375,"end":8053.79346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":8054.097218750001,"end":8060.7459687499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":8058.029093750001,"end":8058.045968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":8058.0965937500005,"end":8058.72096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":8059.69971875,"end":8065.0322187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":8064.357218750001,"end":8064.66096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8064.76221875,"end":8064.829718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":8064.829718750001,"end":8064.89721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":8064.89721875,"end":8064.9647187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8065.0322187500005,"end":8067.310343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8069.40284375,"end":8069.92596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8070.53346875,"end":8070.9384687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":8082.19409375,"end":8083.71284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_27","start":8085.872843750001,"end":8093.17971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8093.17971875,"end":8096.622218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8097.972218750001,"end":8098.967843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8102.325968750001,"end":8102.83221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8103.220343750001,"end":8149.019093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8150.40284375,"end":8152.32659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8152.32659375,"end":8160.747218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8155.718468750001,"end":8156.12346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8160.66284375,"end":8161.776593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8161.911593750001,"end":8162.16471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8162.198468750001,"end":8164.257218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8163.80159375,"end":8169.4715937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8167.0584687499995,"end":8167.09221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8169.4715937500005,"end":8172.036593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8170.214093750001,"end":8170.41659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8172.1209687499995,"end":8172.137843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8172.137843750001,"end":8174.010968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8172.509093750001,"end":8181.503468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8174.34846875,"end":8174.63534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8175.15846875,"end":8175.512843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8181.655343750001,"end":8201.11221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8186.667218750001,"end":8186.78534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8192.759093749999,"end":8193.19784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8201.36534375,"end":8222.94846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8209.06034375,"end":8209.212218749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":8209.212218749999,"end":8209.33034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8209.33034375,"end":8209.49909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8217.784718750001,"end":8218.206593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8222.290343749999,"end":8229.394718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8230.761593750001,"end":8238.50721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8237.832218750002,"end":8239.199093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8239.148468750001,"end":8242.48971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8242.70909375,"end":8248.649093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8249.08784375,"end":8251.99034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8250.67409375,"end":8254.555343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8254.63971875,"end":8258.723468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8259.01034375,"end":8270.77221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8271.329093750002,"end":8296.320968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8291.629718750002,"end":8292.08534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8295.03846875,"end":8300.99534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8297.60346875,"end":8298.379718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8300.438468750002,"end":8306.024093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8303.93159375,"end":8304.25221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8306.09159375,"end":8308.386593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8309.297843750002,"end":8317.16159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8318.882843750001,"end":8322.325343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8324.434718750003,"end":8327.50596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8326.594718750002,"end":8335.015343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8329.14284375,"end":8329.598468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8329.66596875,"end":8329.68284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8329.76721875,"end":8330.62784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8333.26034375,"end":8334.087218750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":8334.087218750003,"end":8334.390968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8335.352843750003,"end":8340.246593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8335.52159375,"end":8335.555343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":8335.555343750002,"end":8335.57221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8337.124718750001,"end":8337.68159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8340.65159375,"end":8343.351593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8342.86221875,"end":8346.254093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8343.773468750001,"end":8344.16159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8345.39346875,"end":8354.809718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8355.04596875,"end":8356.26096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8355.265343750001,"end":8358.77534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8358.77534375,"end":8361.644093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8361.37409375,"end":8372.24159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8372.84909375,"end":8373.65909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8373.524093750002,"end":8378.738468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8379.91971875,"end":8384.25659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8383.125968750002,"end":8388.20534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8388.340343750002,"end":8398.81971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":8398.364093750002,"end":8398.39784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8398.39784375,"end":8398.617218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8399.17409375,"end":8405.586593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8401.722218750001,"end":8402.042843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8404.70909375,"end":8407.03784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8407.03784375,"end":8407.40909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8407.493468750003,"end":8428.165343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8420.706593750001,"end":8421.077843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8424.722843750002,"end":8424.840968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8426.66346875,"end":8428.97534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8428.87409375,"end":8428.890968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8428.92471875,"end":8433.059093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8432.316593750002,"end":8434.03784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8433.852218750002,"end":8437.277843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8437.598468750002,"end":8439.437843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8439.960968750001,"end":8461.71284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":8450.777843750002,"end":8450.96346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8450.96346875,"end":8451.149093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8461.44284375,"end":8471.38221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8462.45534375,"end":8463.231593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8471.972843750002,"end":8481.97971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8483.430968750003,"end":8484.696593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8484.629093750002,"end":8497.36971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8484.71346875,"end":8484.730343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8484.91596875,"end":8485.30409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8497.74096875,"end":8500.761593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8501.284718750001,"end":8503.090343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8503.37721875,"end":8516.117843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8516.28659375,"end":8524.285343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8524.62284375,"end":8526.22596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8526.512843750003,"end":8528.06534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8528.774093750002,"end":8532.419093750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8533.566593750002,"end":8559.80721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8546.273468750001,"end":8546.30721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8551.31909375,"end":8551.63971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8555.031593750002,"end":8555.234093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8559.73971875,"end":8570.421593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8571.07971875,"end":8579.56784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8579.14596875,"end":8581.57596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8581.89659375,"end":8584.984718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8584.984718750002,"end":8585.32221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8585.27159375,"end":8585.81159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8585.507843750001,"end":8588.359718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8588.96721875,"end":8592.409718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8592.409718750001,"end":8595.41346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8595.41346875,"end":8598.636593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8596.76346875,"end":8599.98659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8599.98659375,"end":8600.35784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8600.290343750003,"end":8601.74159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8601.640343750001,"end":8612.69346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8605.133468750002,"end":8605.386593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8612.59221875,"end":8622.210968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8622.261593750001,"end":8626.09221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8625.332843750002,"end":8625.585968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8626.09221875,"end":8639.49096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8640.081593750001,"end":8643.60846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8643.97971875,"end":8649.379718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":8650.425968750002,"end":8659.21784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8658.711593750002,"end":8658.74534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8658.74534375,"end":8658.930968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8658.930968750003,"end":8658.964718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8658.964718750001,"end":8658.981593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8658.981593750003,"end":8659.26846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8660.618468750003,"end":8665.79909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8663.74034375,"end":8664.567218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8665.984718750002,"end":8675.097218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8668.22909375,"end":8668.53284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8671.97534375,"end":8672.312843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8675.164718750002,"end":8675.65409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8675.65409375,"end":8675.97471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8675.97471875,"end":8680.76721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8680.93596875,"end":8681.99909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8681.847218750001,"end":8686.454093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8682.37034375,"end":8683.112843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8686.454093750002,"end":8689.019093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8689.019093750001,"end":8691.90471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8692.42784375,"end":8692.44471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8692.44471875,"end":8692.731593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8692.731593750003,"end":8692.782218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8693.406593750002,"end":8700.44346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8700.44346875,"end":8703.227843750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8704.13909375,"end":8705.269718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8705.67471875,"end":8712.441593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8705.72534375,"end":8706.04596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8713.487843750001,"end":8715.968468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8715.968468750001,"end":8731.93221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8732.438468750002,"end":8742.917843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8738.699093750001,"end":8738.969093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8743.00221875,"end":8743.778468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8743.879718750002,"end":8746.32659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8746.765343750001,"end":8752.23284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8752.23284375,"end":8752.367843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8752.367843750002,"end":8754.96659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8754.96659375,"end":8761.14284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8761.429718750001,"end":8763.03284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8763.03284375,"end":8763.488468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8764.399718750003,"end":8774.507843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8773.90034375,"end":8784.649718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":8783.063468750002,"end":8783.316593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8796.141593750002,"end":8798.94284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":8797.137218750002,"end":8797.609718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8813.08409375,"end":8813.320343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_16","start":8813.320343750001,"end":8813.337218750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8813.45534375,"end":8814.164093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8814.687218750001,"end":8815.39596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8815.480343750001,"end":8816.98221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":8817.35346875,"end":8818.26471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8822.98971875,"end":8825.571593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8825.976593750001,"end":8830.07721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8831.106593750003,"end":8831.781593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8832.54096875,"end":8835.527843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8836.118468750003,"end":8837.70471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8838.12659375,"end":8838.88596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8839.78034375,"end":8845.500968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8846.175968750002,"end":8861.565968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8863.18596875,"end":8865.98721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8866.544093750003,"end":8868.55221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8869.31159375,"end":8871.285968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8871.74159375,"end":8881.44471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8882.085968750001,"end":8882.727218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8883.520343750002,"end":8893.594718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8894.742218750001,"end":8895.36659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8895.602843750003,"end":8901.10409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8901.47534375,"end":8902.52159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8902.875968750002,"end":8905.761593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8906.85846875,"end":8917.48971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8918.265968750002,"end":8927.918468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8928.289718750002,"end":8928.964718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8929.386593750001,"end":8934.01034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8935.17471875,"end":8935.613468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8936.42346875,"end":8938.634093750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8939.27534375,"end":8948.370968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8949.46784375,"end":8950.39596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8951.003468750001,"end":8953.16346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8954.00721875,"end":8954.344718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8954.47971875,"end":8956.133468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8956.707218750002,"end":8957.78721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8958.42846875,"end":8959.862843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8960.53784375,"end":8962.63034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8963.035343750002,"end":8967.97971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8969.110343750002,"end":8974.105343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8975.269718750002,"end":8976.282218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8977.21034375,"end":8981.277218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8982.00284375,"end":8997.07221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":8997.325343750003,"end":9001.594718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9002.72534375,"end":9005.324093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9005.762843750003,"end":9006.657218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9007.450343750003,"end":9009.00284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9009.47534375,"end":9010.437218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9010.555343750002,"end":9011.550968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9012.462218750003,"end":9020.359718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9020.629718750002,"end":9020.96721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9020.96721875,"end":9029.97846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9030.282218750002,"end":9038.09534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9038.449718750002,"end":9056.168468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":9055.44284375,"end":9055.476593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9055.476593750001,"end":9056.10096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9056.168468750002,"end":9056.77596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9056.35409375,"end":9056.792843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9056.792843750001,"end":9063.94784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9064.234718750002,"end":9065.95596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9066.64784375,"end":9074.07284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9074.950343750003,"end":9080.164718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9081.71721875,"end":9082.86471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9083.70846875,"end":9084.36659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9084.61971875,"end":9087.167843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9087.94409375,"end":9091.79159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9092.078468750002,"end":9093.90096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9094.52534375,"end":9096.246593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9097.84971875,"end":9099.90846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9101.629718750002,"end":9102.422843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9103.047218750002,"end":9103.82346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9104.19471875,"end":9104.903468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9105.49409375,"end":9106.202843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9106.574093750001,"end":9107.35034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9107.77221875,"end":9108.54846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9109.45971875,"end":9110.539718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9112.800968750002,"end":9113.070968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9115.19721875,"end":9116.15909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9116.715968750003,"end":9117.42471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9117.94784375,"end":9123.01034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9125.136593750001,"end":9125.59221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9125.91284375,"end":9126.942218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9128.42721875,"end":9129.034718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9129.50721875,"end":9130.43534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9131.12721875,"end":9131.363468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9131.684093750002,"end":9132.477218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9133.55721875,"end":9134.45159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9135.362843750001,"end":9137.691593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9138.704093750002,"end":9140.324093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9140.813468750002,"end":9141.99471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9143.15909375,"end":9145.656593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9147.22596875,"end":9147.664718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9148.778468750003,"end":9149.47034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9150.769718750002,"end":9155.71409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9156.59159375,"end":9159.34221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9159.56159375,"end":9160.81034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9161.62034375,"end":9164.219093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9164.67471875,"end":9165.265343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9165.67034375,"end":9171.559718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9172.437218750001,"end":9176.38596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9176.824718750002,"end":9181.02659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9183.97971875,"end":9184.519718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9185.54909375,"end":9186.730343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9187.13534375,"end":9189.14346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9191.742218750001,"end":9193.56471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9195.134093750003,"end":9195.72471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9197.749718750001,"end":9198.45846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9200.41596875,"end":9201.63096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9202.06971875,"end":9203.95971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9204.465968750003,"end":9205.562843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9206.153468750003,"end":9206.946593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9208.38096875,"end":9209.39346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9209.79846875,"end":9211.65471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9212.38034375,"end":9213.54471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9213.949718750002,"end":9214.945343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9215.92409375,"end":9221.442218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9222.269093750001,"end":9226.89284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9227.68596875,"end":9228.867218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9229.289093750001,"end":9231.22971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9232.782218750002,"end":9233.676593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9234.65534375,"end":9242.215343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9243.56534375,"end":9252.37409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9253.065968750001,"end":9254.80409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9255.68159375,"end":9257.11596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9257.48721875,"end":9257.85846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9258.43221875,"end":9258.75284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9259.05659375,"end":9259.765343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9260.305343750002,"end":9260.659718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9260.96346875,"end":9262.11096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9262.245968750001,"end":9271.44284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9272.117843750002,"end":9292.047218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9292.519718750002,"end":9296.65409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9297.632843750001,"end":9298.223468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9299.337218750003,"end":9313.00596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9313.242218750001,"end":9318.50721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9318.97971875,"end":9320.954093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9322.70909375,"end":9324.83534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9325.375343750002,"end":9326.792843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9327.97409375,"end":9330.08346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9330.690968750001,"end":9335.73659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9336.715343750002,"end":9337.49159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9338.132843750001,"end":9341.49096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9341.676593750002,"end":9343.195343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9343.75221875,"end":9344.64659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9345.203468750002,"end":9346.367843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9346.789718750002,"end":9347.92034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9348.797843750002,"end":9350.55284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9352.30784375,"end":9357.285968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9358.26471875,"end":9361.69034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9362.80409375,"end":9365.031593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9365.031593750002,"end":9381.737843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9369.891593750002,"end":9370.54971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":9376.219718750002,"end":9376.55721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9376.55721875,"end":9376.574093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9383.020343750002,"end":9386.04096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":9383.05409375,"end":9384.08346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":9386.36159375,"end":9387.019718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9393.60096875,"end":9410.864093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9393.769718750002,"end":9394.12409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9411.606593750003,"end":9413.31096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9413.715968750003,"end":9413.98596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9414.84659375,"end":9415.825343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9416.230343750001,"end":9418.00221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9418.47471875,"end":9425.29221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9426.034718750001,"end":9426.23721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9426.422843750002,"end":9452.359718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9452.730968750002,"end":9456.308468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9456.797843750002,"end":9465.184718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9465.57284375,"end":9466.88909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9467.294093750003,"end":9469.99409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9470.63534375,"end":9488.539718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9488.87721875,"end":9532.12784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9532.48221875,"end":9541.93221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9542.20221875,"end":9550.58909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9551.04471875,"end":9553.69409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9553.99784375,"end":9556.74846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9557.01846875,"end":9560.00534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9560.39346875,"end":9573.336593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9573.52221875,"end":9575.226593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9575.47971875,"end":9577.875968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9577.926593750002,"end":9585.28409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_22","start":9586.144718750002,"end":9592.320968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9589.80659375,"end":9590.937218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":9591.426593750002,"end":9591.899093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":9592.371593750002,"end":9596.168468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9612.874718750001,"end":9614.055968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9614.612843750001,"end":9616.300343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":9616.519718750002,"end":9617.532218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9623.72534375,"end":9624.315968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9624.585968750001,"end":9652.09221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9652.81784375,"end":9671.430968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9671.532218750002,"end":9675.734093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9675.852218750002,"end":9681.87659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9681.89346875,"end":9721.094093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9693.01409375,"end":9693.80721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9694.262843750003,"end":9694.48221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9721.75221875,"end":9730.274093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9730.08846875,"end":9730.29096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9730.29096875,"end":9730.30784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9730.30784375,"end":9737.63159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9737.63159375,"end":9758.40471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":9743.74034375,"end":9744.06096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9753.19034375,"end":9763.382843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9759.636593750001,"end":9759.957218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9761.62784375,"end":9766.36971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9765.82971875,"end":9766.30221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9766.36971875,"end":9774.047843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9774.351593750001,"end":9802.00971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9802.81971875,"end":9823.57596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9822.394718750002,"end":9824.402843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9823.812218750001,"end":9833.54909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9827.84534375,"end":9828.149093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9830.27534375,"end":9834.375968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9834.81471875,"end":9843.15096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9843.15096875,"end":9847.57221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9843.35346875,"end":9843.809093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9846.222218750001,"end":9856.144718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9849.15846875,"end":9849.90096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9851.571593750003,"end":9851.976593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9852.027218750001,"end":9852.26346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9853.242218750001,"end":9853.664093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9856.87034375,"end":9859.43534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9859.65471875,"end":9868.39596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9868.81784375,"end":9873.88034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9874.62284375,"end":9886.55346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9886.97534375,"end":9906.820343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9906.95534375,"end":9920.590343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9921.07971875,"end":9930.85034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9931.339718750001,"end":9933.75284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9933.90471875,"end":9967.418468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9962.980343750001,"end":9964.27971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9966.372218750003,"end":9971.046593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9971.50221875,"end":9986.74034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":9984.73221875,"end":9986.47034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9986.976593750001,"end":9998.687843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9999.278468750003,"end":9999.329093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":9999.329093750002,"end":9999.683468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":9999.649718750003,"end":10000.172843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":10000.172843750002,"end":10000.628468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":10000.628468750001,"end":10000.67909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":10000.86471875,"end":10001.82659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10001.52284375,"end":10007.26034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":10001.82659375,"end":10001.87721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_28","start":10001.87721875,"end":10001.97846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10021.80659375,"end":10021.82346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10021.82346875,"end":10025.45159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10026.24471875,"end":10028.320343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10029.09659375,"end":10030.36221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10031.172218750002,"end":10031.695343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10032.285968750002,"end":10033.34909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10035.69471875,"end":10040.16659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10044.199718750002,"end":10050.359093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10050.81471875,"end":10064.63534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":10059.336593750002,"end":10059.62346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":10059.77534375,"end":10060.31534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10065.10784375,"end":10081.004093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10081.206593750001,"end":10083.653468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":10083.653468750003,"end":10122.43221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10103.29596875,"end":10103.565968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10123.815968750001,"end":10124.11971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10124.946593750003,"end":10126.245968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10126.65096875,"end":10127.37659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10127.81534375,"end":10128.43971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10129.047218750002,"end":10131.426593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10131.98346875,"end":10134.750968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10135.274093750002,"end":10138.446593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10138.83471875,"end":10140.269093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10141.028468750003,"end":10141.56846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10142.10846875,"end":10143.188468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10143.57659375,"end":10145.078468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10145.83784375,"end":10148.31846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10148.68971875,"end":10149.989093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10150.47846875,"end":10153.06034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10153.364093750002,"end":10153.718468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10154.07284375,"end":10154.984093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10155.76034375,"end":10159.000343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10159.38846875,"end":10162.122218750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10162.93221875,"end":10165.497218750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10166.05409375,"end":10166.391593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10167.03284375,"end":10167.74159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10168.062218750001,"end":10170.42471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10170.914093750001,"end":10172.68596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10173.462218750003,"end":10174.812218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10175.925968750002,"end":10179.53721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10180.27971875,"end":10182.97971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10183.08096875,"end":10184.17784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10184.54909375,"end":10186.13534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10186.72596875,"end":10189.83096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10190.60721875,"end":10193.745968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10194.134093750003,"end":10227.68159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10228.12034375,"end":10228.54221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10228.812218750001,"end":10232.575343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10233.16596875,"end":10233.73971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10233.992843750002,"end":10234.85346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10235.680343750002,"end":10237.469093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10237.941593750002,"end":10238.481593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10239.12284375,"end":10241.77221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10241.957843750002,"end":10244.219093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10244.843468750001,"end":10245.282218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10246.058468750001,"end":10246.78409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10247.644718750002,"end":10248.35346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10248.640343750001,"end":10249.129718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10250.648468750001,"end":10255.64346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10256.53784375,"end":10265.19471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10265.61659375,"end":10268.65409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10268.890343750001,"end":10269.700343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10270.004093750002,"end":10272.07971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10272.164093750001,"end":10272.88971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10273.176593750002,"end":10273.969718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10274.324093750001,"end":10276.551593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10277.04096875,"end":10277.665343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10278.644093750001,"end":10280.16284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10281.242843750002,"end":10282.390343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10282.79534375,"end":10283.52096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10284.16221875,"end":10286.37284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10286.79471875,"end":10288.094093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10288.44846875,"end":10292.363468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10292.76846875,"end":10299.214718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10299.653468750003,"end":10301.45909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10301.57721875,"end":10305.45846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10305.67784375,"end":10309.22159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10308.495968750001,"end":10308.563468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10308.563468750002,"end":10308.64784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10308.64784375,"end":10308.715343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10310.04846875,"end":10313.457218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10313.91284375,"end":10349.384093750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10349.75534375,"end":10352.70846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10352.77596875,"end":10354.66596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10354.851593750001,"end":10361.46659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10360.62284375,"end":10364.26784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10365.06096875,"end":10366.32659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10366.86659375,"end":10368.992843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10370.02221875,"end":10371.895343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10372.418468750002,"end":10377.109718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10377.61596875,"end":10382.05409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10382.67846875,"end":10385.68221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10386.120968750001,"end":10387.032218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10387.09971875,"end":10388.618468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10389.242843750002,"end":10389.563468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10389.934718750003,"end":10390.440968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10391.06534375,"end":10395.33471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10395.70596875,"end":10396.16159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10396.617218750001,"end":10398.794093750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10399.33409375,"end":10399.367843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10399.367843750002,"end":10400.262218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10400.262218750002,"end":10400.464718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10400.464718750001,"end":10402.60784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10402.894718750002,"end":10405.949093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10406.18534375,"end":10408.058468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10408.176593750002,"end":10409.543468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10409.94846875,"end":10413.492218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":10413.67784375,"end":10419.63471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10418.11596875,"end":10418.925968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_25","start":10419.38159375,"end":10422.047843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10422.31784375,"end":10427.17784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_16","start":10434.282218750002,"end":10434.34971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_16","start":10434.484718750002,"end":10436.05409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_16","start":10437.03284375,"end":10438.09596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10443.445343750001,"end":10444.035968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10444.12034375,"end":10449.11534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10449.26721875,"end":10459.105343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10458.14346875,"end":10458.649718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10458.902843750002,"end":10461.214718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10460.55659375,"end":10473.38159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10471.96409375,"end":10472.622218750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10473.044093750003,"end":10480.35096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10481.86971875,"end":10486.78034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10482.71346875,"end":10483.101593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10484.637218750002,"end":10525.91346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10526.16659375,"end":10535.34659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10530.97596875,"end":10532.933468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10534.367843750002,"end":10556.42346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10537.30409375,"end":10537.97909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":10537.97909375,"end":10537.995968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10538.56971875,"end":10538.92409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":10538.92409375,"end":10538.940968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10557.722843750002,"end":10562.515343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10558.39784375,"end":10558.769093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10562.802218750003,"end":10580.132843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10579.761593750001,"end":10586.410343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10581.60096875,"end":10581.938468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10586.899718750003,"end":10591.574093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10587.18659375,"end":10588.43534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10590.61221875,"end":10592.28284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10592.19846875,"end":10593.683468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10592.468468750001,"end":10594.999718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10594.34159375,"end":10600.41659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10598.35784375,"end":10603.335968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10600.51784375,"end":10602.222218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10604.48346875,"end":10606.137218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10606.390343750001,"end":10609.27596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10608.567218750002,"end":10617.055343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10613.39346875,"end":10613.984093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10616.02596875,"end":10620.97034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10619.56971875,"end":10627.956593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10623.77159375,"end":10624.480343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10627.56846875,"end":10630.386593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10629.812843750002,"end":10631.95596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10632.445343750001,"end":10633.00221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10634.082218750002,"end":10636.49534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10637.28846875,"end":10637.625968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10637.625968750002,"end":10641.878468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10639.043468750002,"end":10640.680343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10641.827843750001,"end":10663.05659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10642.536593750003,"end":10642.722218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10643.32971875,"end":10643.582843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10645.101593750001,"end":10645.624718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10649.18534375,"end":10650.02909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":10650.02909375,"end":10650.653468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10663.191593750002,"end":10665.75659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10666.07721875,"end":10672.000343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10668.996593750002,"end":10669.418468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10671.39284375,"end":10673.333468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10673.13096875,"end":10675.898468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10674.059093750002,"end":10675.071593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10675.695968750002,"end":10678.21034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10679.30721875,"end":10682.73284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10682.817218750002,"end":10702.949093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10685.702843750001,"end":10686.074093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10687.49159375,"end":10687.812218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10704.04596875,"end":10724.144093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10724.49846875,"end":10726.72596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10725.325343750003,"end":10725.797843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10726.13534375,"end":10733.40846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10732.09221875,"end":10732.969718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10733.070968750002,"end":10734.57284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10733.89784375,"end":10737.37409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10736.83409375,"end":10757.792843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10738.25159375,"end":10738.487843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10744.765343750001,"end":10745.727218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":10745.727218750002,"end":10745.79471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":10747.161593750003,"end":10747.583468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10757.13471875,"end":10772.035343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10761.589718750001,"end":10762.46721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10766.669093750003,"end":10767.05721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":10767.05721875,"end":10767.090968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10767.090968750003,"end":10768.42409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10768.42409375,"end":10768.47471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10769.234093750001,"end":10769.26784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10769.26784375,"end":10770.68534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10770.68534375,"end":10771.090343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10771.090343750002,"end":10771.96784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10771.96784375,"end":10772.895968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10772.035343750002,"end":10774.85346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":10773.43596875,"end":10773.469718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10773.469718750002,"end":10790.243468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10790.327843750001,"end":10791.35721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_26","start":10796.976593750001,"end":10799.91284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10800.13221875,"end":10800.53721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10802.612843750001,"end":10808.55284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10806.12284375,"end":10806.375968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_16","start":10806.375968750002,"end":10806.409718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10809.329093750002,"end":10809.953468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10809.430343750002,"end":10813.058468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10811.99534375,"end":10814.61096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10815.235343750002,"end":10817.15909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10817.68221875,"end":10819.58909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10818.62721875,"end":10821.37784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10821.495968750001,"end":10822.15409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10822.52534375,"end":10826.305343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":10826.81159375,"end":10841.070968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10841.492843750002,"end":10846.53846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":10842.47159375,"end":10842.977843750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10847.11221875,"end":10849.47471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10850.183468750001,"end":10854.80721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10855.33034375,"end":10859.734718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10860.13971875,"end":10865.18534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10866.41721875,"end":10877.031593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10877.74034375,"end":10881.48659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10881.824093750001,"end":10883.511593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10883.882843750001,"end":10887.426593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10887.98346875,"end":10894.851593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10895.796593750001,"end":10896.083468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10896.083468750003,"end":10896.167843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10896.167843750001,"end":10896.184718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10896.184718750003,"end":10897.180343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10897.180343750002,"end":10897.19721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10897.19721875,"end":10897.21409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10897.21409375,"end":10897.26471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10897.26471875,"end":10897.41659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":10897.41659375,"end":10918.746593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10914.747218750003,"end":10916.940968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10917.312218750001,"end":10929.917843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":10929.05721875,"end":10929.124718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":10929.124718750001,"end":10929.25971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10930.22159375,"end":10939.40159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":10938.996593750002,"end":10941.13971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10940.009093750003,"end":10950.927218750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10951.31534375,"end":10954.21784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10954.504718750002,"end":10958.43659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":10956.090968750003,"end":10956.31034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":10956.52971875,"end":10957.20471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10959.06096875,"end":10960.309718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":10960.883468750002,"end":10975.125968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":10975.547843750002,"end":10981.84221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10980.62721875,"end":10987.140968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":10983.10784375,"end":10983.90096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":10986.21284375,"end":10986.63471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":10988.035343750002,"end":10990.95471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":10991.477843750003,"end":10993.03034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":10994.009093750003,"end":11013.16221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11011.20471875,"end":11018.74784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11019.06846875,"end":11023.000343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11023.38846875,"end":11028.67034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":11029.699718750002,"end":11032.19721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":11032.88909375,"end":11032.905968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11032.905968750001,"end":11032.99034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":11032.922843750002,"end":11033.024093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":11032.99034375,"end":11033.09159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11033.024093750002,"end":11035.909718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":11033.09159375,"end":11033.192843750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":11033.192843750003,"end":11033.243468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":11036.702843750001,"end":11042.74409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11042.609093750001,"end":11042.79471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":11042.79471875,"end":11042.84534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11042.84534375,"end":11043.368468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11043.68909375,"end":11045.309093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11045.69721875,"end":11049.325343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11050.101593750001,"end":11055.02909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11056.379093750002,"end":11058.62346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":11057.50971875,"end":11059.180343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11059.04534375,"end":11060.344718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11060.969093750002,"end":11061.99846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":11062.84221875,"end":11066.824718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11066.200343750003,"end":11071.07721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":11067.550343750001,"end":11067.85409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11071.364093750002,"end":11082.67034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11083.024718750003,"end":11093.53784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":11083.04159375,"end":11083.61534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":11083.61534375,"end":11083.649093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11094.48284375,"end":11095.52909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11096.406593750002,"end":11098.836593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11099.258468750002,"end":11100.743468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11100.97971875,"end":11101.570343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11101.890968750002,"end":11107.40909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":11108.489093750002,"end":11112.82596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11111.93159375,"end":11111.98221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11112.82596875,"end":11112.84284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11113.804718750001,"end":11115.35721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11116.605968750002,"end":11120.993468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11122.832843750002,"end":11127.794093750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11129.70096875,"end":11133.582218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11135.472218750001,"end":11136.535343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11137.530968750001,"end":11143.57221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":11139.657218750002,"end":11140.16346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11143.757843750001,"end":11144.38221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11145.22596875,"end":11148.550343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11149.95096875,"end":11153.44409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11153.96721875,"end":11155.266593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11155.789718750002,"end":11156.312843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11156.785343750002,"end":11157.86534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11158.219718750002,"end":11160.97034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11161.544093750003,"end":11163.50159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":11164.98659375,"end":11169.762218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11170.015343750001,"end":11174.774093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11174.976593750001,"end":11176.630343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11177.153468750003,"end":11183.903468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11184.780968750001,"end":11187.312218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11187.97034375,"end":11188.03784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11189.050343750001,"end":11189.337218750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11191.649093750002,"end":11192.83034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11193.488468750002,"end":11198.702843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11199.22596875,"end":11210.29596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11201.031593750002,"end":11201.352218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11209.90784375,"end":11212.03409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11210.70096875,"end":11211.105968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11212.152218750001,"end":11216.87721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11212.641593750002,"end":11212.675343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11217.56909375,"end":11219.89784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11220.20159375,"end":11222.277218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":11223.30659375,"end":11224.67346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":11224.774718750003,"end":11235.524093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11235.203468750002,"end":11238.257843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":11238.93284375,"end":11252.09534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11251.31909375,"end":11258.895968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11259.149093750002,"end":11264.110343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":11264.515343750001,"end":11265.730343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11266.01721875,"end":11278.555343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11278.875968750002,"end":11280.192218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11280.73221875,"end":11281.035968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11281.035968750002,"end":11281.05284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11281.05284375,"end":11281.255343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11281.255343750003,"end":11281.559093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11281.559093750002,"end":11283.465968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11281.727843750003,"end":11282.250968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11284.37721875,"end":11294.940968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11295.430343750002,"end":11302.770968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11303.09159375,"end":11307.546593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11307.833468750003,"end":11309.352218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11309.622218750003,"end":11311.02284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11310.465968750003,"end":11316.321593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11316.55784375,"end":11319.88221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11317.148468750001,"end":11317.300343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11318.954093750002,"end":11318.987843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":11318.987843750001,"end":11319.004718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11319.004718750002,"end":11319.24096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":11319.24096875,"end":11319.325343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":11319.325343750003,"end":11319.359093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":11319.359093750001,"end":11319.56159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":11319.88221875,"end":11320.60784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11320.60784375,"end":11320.894718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":11320.894718750002,"end":11326.902218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":11324.82659375,"end":11324.894093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11324.894093750001,"end":11325.02909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":11325.02909375,"end":11325.46784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":11325.46784375,"end":11325.636593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":11325.636593750001,"end":11325.653468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11336.942843750003,"end":11338.90034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":11339.507843750001,"end":11340.70596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11345.07659375,"end":11345.65034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11346.105968750002,"end":11358.964718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11360.179718750001,"end":11370.11909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11363.85846875,"end":11365.44471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11369.190968750001,"end":11376.81846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11370.33846875,"end":11370.422843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11377.24034375,"end":11378.910968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11379.552218750003,"end":11386.09971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11384.817218750002,"end":11400.56159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11389.255343750003,"end":11390.099093750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":11390.099093750003,"end":11390.149718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11391.21284375,"end":11391.499718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11400.91596875,"end":11402.87346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11402.87346875,"end":11405.421593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11405.23596875,"end":11406.164093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11406.67034375,"end":11411.56409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11411.918468750002,"end":11416.187843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11416.879718750002,"end":11421.030968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11420.44034375,"end":11421.722843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11421.60471875,"end":11423.190968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11422.00971875,"end":11448.030968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11448.16596875,"end":11449.48221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11449.81971875,"end":11451.16971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11452.06409375,"end":11457.71721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11458.30784375,"end":11476.296593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11476.769093750001,"end":11484.24471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11485.39221875,"end":11486.016593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11486.472218750001,"end":11488.395968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11488.395968750003,"end":11488.952843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11488.952843750001,"end":11488.969718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11489.222843750002,"end":11489.594093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11489.94846875,"end":11498.571593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11499.077843750001,"end":11499.38159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11499.63471875,"end":11520.35721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11502.992843750002,"end":11503.515968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11506.300343750001,"end":11506.87409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11510.535968750002,"end":11513.286593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11517.066593750002,"end":11517.488468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11519.83409375,"end":11530.70159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11530.785968750002,"end":11534.785343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11532.996593750002,"end":11533.418468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11534.093468750001,"end":11536.70909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11536.28721875,"end":11544.20159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11539.847843750002,"end":11547.32346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11544.910343750002,"end":11545.36596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11546.024093750002,"end":11551.289093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11548.184093750002,"end":11548.656593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11550.27659375,"end":11551.761593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11551.761593750001,"end":11556.469718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11555.79471875,"end":11580.53346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11581.242218750001,"end":11582.84534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11583.23346875,"end":11596.699718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11597.35784375,"end":11600.58096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11600.63159375,"end":11614.33409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11603.820968750002,"end":11604.394718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11605.54221875,"end":11606.672843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":11608.410968750002,"end":11608.42784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11608.42784375,"end":11608.95096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11613.422843750002,"end":11613.945968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11614.199093750001,"end":11616.730343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11616.949718750002,"end":11629.133468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11627.327843750001,"end":11628.441593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11629.47096875,"end":11635.140968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11635.02284375,"end":11638.515968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11638.02659375,"end":11640.13596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11640.13596875,"end":11641.418468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11641.50284375,"end":11644.08471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11644.60784375,"end":11657.78721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11658.73221875,"end":11660.082218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11661.027218750001,"end":11673.19409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11665.11096875,"end":11665.65096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11666.258468750002,"end":11667.65909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11672.940968750001,"end":11679.77534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11675.65784375,"end":11676.737843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11678.965343750002,"end":11680.079093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11680.68659375,"end":11691.030968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11683.26846875,"end":11683.825343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11686.086593750002,"end":11686.27221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11691.621593750002,"end":11697.86534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11693.37659375,"end":11694.203468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11697.86534375,"end":11698.38846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11698.574093750001,"end":11705.273468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11705.324093750001,"end":11726.40096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11726.468468750001,"end":11733.82596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11734.21409375,"end":11742.887843750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11743.562843750002,"end":11748.76034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11749.45221875,"end":11754.902843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11755.40909375,"end":11768.132843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":11755.56096875,"end":11755.628468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":11755.628468750001,"end":11755.66221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":11755.66221875,"end":11755.746593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":11755.746593750002,"end":11755.965968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":11755.965968750003,"end":11756.18534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11768.26784375,"end":11779.33784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11773.07721875,"end":11773.53284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11776.80659375,"end":11777.414093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11778.66284375,"end":11788.382843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11788.450343750003,"end":11791.04909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11791.082843750002,"end":11796.65159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11793.597218750001,"end":11799.992843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11800.27971875,"end":11804.042843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11804.009093750003,"end":11804.582843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11804.110343750002,"end":11807.097218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11807.82284375,"end":11808.953468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11809.61159375,"end":11812.379093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11812.379093750002,"end":11815.079093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11814.505343750003,"end":11824.17471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11816.31096875,"end":11816.800343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11824.714718750001,"end":11828.96721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11826.942218750002,"end":11844.610343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11843.14221875,"end":11847.715343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11845.67346875,"end":11852.305343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11851.731593750003,"end":11851.84971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11852.91284375,"end":11858.633468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11859.08909375,"end":11868.184718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11869.68659375,"end":11873.550968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11874.05721875,"end":11878.86659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11875.019093750001,"end":11875.57596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11876.132843750001,"end":11877.027218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11878.360343750002,"end":11886.13971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11886.797843750002,"end":11891.52284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11888.789093750001,"end":11889.07596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11890.544093750003,"end":11892.383468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11892.29909375,"end":11894.762843750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11892.974093750003,"end":11893.41284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11894.121593750002,"end":11895.79221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11895.960968750001,"end":11899.36971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11899.36971875,"end":11901.884093750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11902.17096875,"end":11904.769718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11902.20471875,"end":11903.01471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11903.90909375,"end":11907.402218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11904.85409375,"end":11905.140968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11907.80721875,"end":11921.425343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11917.071593750003,"end":11917.66221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11919.737843750001,"end":11922.67409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11922.910343750002,"end":11939.97096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11933.558468750001,"end":11935.54971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11936.49471875,"end":11936.832218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11937.743468750003,"end":11943.71721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11943.98721875,"end":11962.33034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11963.32596875,"end":11965.43534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11965.958468750003,"end":11974.750343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11975.05409375,"end":11990.49471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11979.94784375,"end":11980.487843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11984.31846875,"end":11985.786593750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11990.76471875,"end":11996.485343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":11996.687843750002,"end":12008.95596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":11996.92409375,"end":11998.020968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":11998.020968750003,"end":11998.03784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":12002.67846875,"end":12002.695343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12002.695343750001,"end":12003.72471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12008.95596875,"end":12013.79909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":12011.723468750002,"end":12012.567218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":12013.309718750003,"end":12020.97096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12020.802218750003,"end":12024.14346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12023.519093750001,"end":12029.239718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12040.714718750001,"end":12044.157218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12044.59596875,"end":12045.574718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12050.063468750002,"end":12050.519093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12050.519093750001,"end":12050.60346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12050.637218750002,"end":12051.210968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12051.480968750002,"end":12053.708468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12053.97846875,"end":12059.47971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12059.800343750001,"end":12062.01096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12062.331593750001,"end":12063.242843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12063.597218750001,"end":12065.48721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12065.80784375,"end":12068.507843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12069.55409375,"end":12079.442843750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12080.10096875,"end":12109.395968750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":12099.97971875,"end":12100.06409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12109.83471875,"end":12110.83034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12109.93596875,"end":12114.964718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12112.16346875,"end":12112.63596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12114.188468750002,"end":12116.01096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12115.04909375,"end":12117.614093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12117.68159375,"end":12131.29971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12130.33784375,"end":12133.56096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12134.387843750003,"end":12137.62784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12137.62784375,"end":12138.10034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12137.644718750002,"end":12142.082843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12141.762218750002,"end":12157.86096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12145.390343750001,"end":12147.567218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12147.870968750001,"end":12148.208468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12153.22034375,"end":12153.743468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12157.945343750001,"end":12169.808468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12169.47096875,"end":12172.727843750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12171.20909375,"end":12178.11096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12174.22971875,"end":12174.719093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12178.583468750003,"end":12180.372218750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12179.34284375,"end":12183.96659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12184.101593750001,"end":12189.535343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12184.43909375,"end":12184.962218750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12187.223468750002,"end":12188.539718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12189.51846875,"end":12194.918468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12190.56471875,"end":12190.902218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12192.960968750001,"end":12202.039718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12198.31034375,"end":12199.84596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12200.75721875,"end":12208.519718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12203.27159375,"end":12203.777843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12208.739093750002,"end":12213.51471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12213.51471875,"end":12213.86909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12213.86909375,"end":12214.054718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12214.054718750001,"end":12214.08846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12214.39221875,"end":12230.86221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12218.273468750001,"end":12219.269093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12227.672843750002,"end":12228.21284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12230.575343750003,"end":12233.59596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12231.33471875,"end":12231.65534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12233.427218750003,"end":12237.207218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12237.527843750002,"end":12239.957843750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":12240.12659375,"end":12240.531593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12240.531593750002,"end":12248.20971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12248.36159375,"end":12268.493468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12268.76346875,"end":12282.63471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12283.32659375,"end":12294.430343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12294.902843750002,"end":12319.793468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12319.81034375,"end":12322.425968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12323.15159375,"end":12327.99471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12328.551593750002,"end":12331.015343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12331.352843750003,"end":12390.567218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12391.12409375,"end":12397.82346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12398.093468750001,"end":12403.34159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12404.08409375,"end":12405.974093750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12405.974093750003,"end":12406.024718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12406.024718750003,"end":12407.88096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12406.075343750003,"end":12407.172218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12407.88096875,"end":12409.855343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12409.855343750001,"end":12428.72159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12429.379718750002,"end":12438.171593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12438.222218750001,"end":12443.01471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":12440.43284375,"end":12440.702843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12443.75721875,"end":12445.69784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12446.00159375,"end":12456.41346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12449.055968750003,"end":12449.579093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12451.50284375,"end":12451.97534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12455.434718750003,"end":12466.032218750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12462.03284375,"end":12462.285968750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12466.032218750002,"end":12473.254718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12473.457218750002,"end":12481.540343750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12482.012843750003,"end":12483.801593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12484.155968750001,"end":12493.53846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":12484.324718750002,"end":12485.961593750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12493.53846875,"end":12506.565968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12493.555343750002,"end":12494.179718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12507.477218750002,"end":12508.962218750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12509.50221875,"end":12512.387843750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12513.113468750002,"end":12536.56971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":12514.952843750001,"end":12514.969718750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":12514.969718750002,"end":12515.03721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12515.03721875,"end":12518.58096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12536.99159375,"end":12555.21659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":12551.85846875,"end":12552.027218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12552.027218750001,"end":12552.06096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12555.21659375,"end":12558.11909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12556.70159375,"end":12558.203468750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12558.203468750002,"end":12558.28784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":12558.28784375,"end":12558.405968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12558.405968750001,"end":12558.895343750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12558.794093750003,"end":12558.827843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12558.895343750002,"end":12561.19034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":12561.19034375,"end":12561.274718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":12561.274718750003,"end":12561.831593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12563.384093750003,"end":12567.737843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12567.974093750003,"end":12570.03284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12570.31971875,"end":12573.593468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12573.812843750002,"end":12574.184093750002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12574.859093750001,"end":12580.69784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12581.305343750002,"end":12584.039093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12584.089718750001,"end":12589.118468750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12589.40534375,"end":12591.49784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12591.81846875,"end":12595.024718750003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12595.26096875,"end":12598.56846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12598.93971875,"end":12599.36159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":12599.715968750003,"end":12610.094093750002}],"whisperx":[{"start":1171.802,"end":1187.851,"text":"现在继续开会我们是不是请所有的媒体先进好朋友们我们现在要开会了那麻烦所有媒体的好朋友我们先到后面去因为我们要开会了谢谢谢谢所有媒体好朋友的配合谢谢现在继续开会请议事人员宣读今日议程"},{"start":1195.08,"end":1212.835,"text":"邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長總經理含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董監事列席業務報告並被執行宣讀完畢好那我們先介紹在場的委員吳秉瑞委員"},{"start":1218.22,"end":1239.014,"text":"好 謝謝吳委員接下來我們介紹在場的今天的列席的官員財政部部長莊翠雲綜合規劃司司長李瓊玲國際財政司司長李明基推動促贊處司長張素貞人事處處長張芳琪會計處處長李秋月"},{"start":1247.199,"end":1273.858,"text":"統計處處長 蔡美娜聲鋒處處長 許家綺法制處處長 姚瑩秘書處處長 楊金亨國庫署署長 陳柏成複稅署署長 宋秀玲官務署署長 彭英偉國有財產署署長 曾國基財政諮詢中心主任 張文希"},{"start":1275.698,"end":1297.091,"text":"財政流言訓練所所長許寧佑台北國稅局局長吳蓮英高雄國稅局局長翁培佑北區國稅局局長李雅金中區國稅局局長柔美中南區國稅局局長陳慧綺陳慧儀"},{"start":1301.844,"end":1329.427,"text":"台灣金融控股股份有限公司董事長林忠元董事長總經理石瑪莉台灣銀行股份有限公司總經理吳嘉曉台南人壽保險股份有限公司董事長張志宏總經理劉啟勝台灣綜合證券股份有限公司董事長李素生"},{"start":1332.348,"end":1360.198,"text":"總經理張正康台灣土地銀行股份有限公司董事長何一鳴總經理張志堅招風金融控股股份有限公司董事長董瑞斌總經理張傳章招風國際商業銀行股份有限公司總經理黃永珍"},{"start":1363.513,"end":1393.027,"text":"第一金融控股股份有限公司董事長邱月琦總經理方盈基第一商業銀行股份有限公司總經理周曹崇華南金融控股股份有限公司董事長陳芬然總經理李耀清華南商業銀行股份有限公司總經理黃俊志"},{"start":1396.618,"end":1420.374,"text":"合作金庫金融控股股份有限公司董事長林眼茂總經理蘇佐正合作金庫商業銀行股份有限公司總經理王淑芳彰化商業銀行股份有限公司董事長胡光華總經理簡志光"},{"start":1423.68,"end":1449.753,"text":"台灣中小企業銀行股份有限公司總經理李國忠中國輸出力銀行理事主席戴登山總經理謝富華台灣菸酒股份有限公司董事長湯祺安總經理賴煥中財政部印刷廠廠長王國榮"},{"start":1454.161,"end":1481.472,"text":"官网网路股份有限公司董事长张璐生总经理高国峰中央债保险股份有限公司董事李怡芬台湾纪念资产管理股份有限公司董事长龚文平台湾金融资产服务股份有限公司副总经理江建功"},{"start":1484.758,"end":1501.793,"text":"台北金融大樓股份有限公司董事長 佳永傑現在開始詢答先做一下宣告每位出席委員發言時間8分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘"},{"start":1508.924,"end":1515.797,"text":"今天一程安排邀请财政部列席业务报告现在请财政部庄部长进行业务报告"},{"start":1523.083,"end":1542.353,"text":"主席各位委員先進大家好今天貴委員會召開全體委員會議本人應邀率本部主管同仁列席提出業務報告緊究中央政府總預算收入的編列還有執行情形以及本部近年重要業務的績效以及未來推動的方向和重點提出報告"},{"start":1543.433,"end":1552.355,"text":"有關中央政府總預算114年度執行情形在稅務方面到9月底為止實收數是2兆3833億元執行率93.2%其中稅客收入的實收數是2兆1050億元執行率91.6%在融資財源方面總預算的債務舉借預算數"},{"start":1567.338,"end":1583.004,"text":"那么债务还本的预算数1415亿元已经全数执行完成截至9月底为止中央政府一年以上的长期债务未偿余额的实际数是5兆8379亿元占前三年度明目GDP的平均数是24.3%"},{"start":1585.405,"end":1594.008,"text":"有關中央政府115年度的總預算案的編列情形在稅務部分我們是編列了2兆8623億元稅出編列3兆0350億元稅務稅出差短1729億元如果我們再加計債務還本1265億元那麼需要融資調度的有2992億元全數是以舉債來做支應"},{"start":1609.113,"end":1628.179,"text":"那麼在總預算案的舉債佔稅出比例是9.9%那麼如果在併計丹娜斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建以及強化韌性等特別預算案的舉債數1008億元合計是舉債4000億元預估115年底中央政府一年以上長期債務的未償餘額是6兆8559億元佔前三年度明目GDP的平均數是26%"},{"start":1639.763,"end":1658.058,"text":"那么低于公债法的债务存量的上限40.6%接续报告本部近半年的重要业务绩效陈蒙会委员会的指导与协助上个会期我们顺利完成了货物税条例的第11条之一第12条之五以及海关进口税则等多项法律的修正"},{"start":1659.502,"end":1677.649,"text":"那麼為了提升產業的競爭力以及促進經濟成長本部提供多項的金融支持以及付稅優惠措施強化企業經營的韌性並且為了防堵席產遞到美國我們擴大執行事前嚴審事中嚴查事後嚴罰的三嚴措施來加強查緝違規轉運另外為了要增進國有財產的活化運用以及創新促參推動等機制那麼相關的資料"},{"start":1686.773,"end":1701.084,"text":"也請參閱書面報告的第三頁到第二十三頁那麼接下來是報告本部未來的推動的方向以及重點首先是國庫業務部分因應國際政經局勢的一個變化以及政務推動所需我們會努力達成預算目標嚴格管控債務比率"},{"start":1704.706,"end":1731.446,"text":"并且维持财政的纪律并且透过考核辅导等来增进地方财政效能与税务管控与债务管控那么在普发现金一万元方面行政院已经成立了跨部会的推动小组本部和相关部会正积极的办理前置作业将会依照规定在特别预算公布后一个月内展开发放作业并且会在七个月内发放完毕"},{"start":1731.986,"end":1746.824,"text":"在中央和地方財政收支劃分的調整方面本部已經根據新版的財劃法完成了115年度中央統籌分配稅款的涉算並且把分配的金額也都在8月底前通知了地方政府"},{"start":1747.344,"end":1772.178,"text":"因为中央需要负担国防外交以及国家整体发展的职责那么宜在合理的基础下重新分配裁员而新版的裁划法把它扩大了成相差距所以需要全盘的检讨规划兼顾中央以及地方发展的需要那么让统筹分配税款能够发挥调剂财政营需的功能达到区域均衡发展的目标"},{"start":1773.038,"end":1789.564,"text":"那么在赋税业务部分为了鼓励民众使用低污染的车辆达成净零排放的目标我们将修正货物税条例及使用牌照税法那么为了落实纳税者权利保护法的意旨严于修正营业税法以建立公平合理的税制"},{"start":1790.024,"end":1813.923,"text":"另外开放预期缴纳案件赤纳期间多元缴税的管道来精进便民纳税的服务我们也持续推动与经贸投资网来密切国家洽签租税协定以及扩展我国执行税务用途资讯交换的网络并且透过参与国际组织来掌握政策发展的动向发展多元伙伴的关系在官务业务部分"},{"start":1815.302,"end":1831.572,"text":"我們會持續的執行數位海關再造循氣艇的太舊歡欣貨櫃檢查儀的建置等計畫來強化邊境查氣的效能提供優質安全的通關數位服務並且加強官務合作的交流"},{"start":1832.112,"end":1847.077,"text":"除了推動和重要貿易夥伴國家來洽簽協定並且透過參與國際的會議深化和各國的海關合作建構便捷以及安全的通關環境在國產業務部分致力完善我們的資產管理的機制"},{"start":1848.157,"end":1862.967,"text":"積極活化國有非公用財產發揮資產活化的效益同時配合2050淨零排放及結合產業發展的需求以多元的方式來提供國有土地協助社會住宅及長照等重要政策的推動"},{"start":1863.968,"end":1893.568,"text":"促餐业务部分根据兆元投资国家发展方案的创新促餐推进机制的策略我们会持续辅导各部会开发潜在的促餐案源扩增民间投资公共建设的案源引导民间的资金投入国家建设并且落实促餐推进的机制完善促餐推动的环境以上是本部工作的重点报告那么陈蒙贵委员会的协助以及督促那么使财政业务得以顺利的推展"},{"start":1894.128,"end":1923.708,"text":"并获国际性平公司持续的肯定我国审慎财政管理以及良好的财政纪律展望未来将持续透过审慎以及弹性的财政政策兼顾产业及社会发展需要同时精进财政治理严守财政纪律厚植财政量能为我国永续发展奠定坚韧的基础敬请各位委员继续支持以及指教使财政工作能够更增完善谢谢大家谢谢"},{"start":1925.389,"end":1948.069,"text":"好 谢谢庄部长的报告因为我们今天这个列席的官员人数比较多那所以我们请说在后面的我们的官员好朋友们那如果有事要讨论的话麻烦到外面我们尽量维持这个现场比较一个安静的状况来 我再介绍我们现在出席的委员林德福委员"},{"start":1952.895,"end":1972.075,"text":"好 现在开始询答先做以下宣告每位出席委员发言时间8分钟必要时得延长2分钟每位列席委员发言时间5分钟即日上午10点截止发言登记现在依登记顺序请登记第一位林德副委员质询"},{"start":1979.53,"end":1986.412,"text":"謝謝 謝謝主席莊部長還有財政部與會所有列席的官員是不是請莊部長我們請莊部長委員長部長早部長我請教因為這個主計長陳淑芝說這個資源分配會略有優先的順序舉例來說像民生 經濟優先"},{"start":2006.337,"end":2034.669,"text":"那更細項的像治水啦災害等等包括防禦就是最優先的編列那我請問部長像陳淑芝這個主計長針對預算資源分配以及優先順序編列的說法你認為能夠化解外界對賴總統提出台灣之盾國防預算發生排擠其他預算的疑慮嗎你的看法呢"},{"start":2035.65,"end":2060.147,"text":"跟委員報告財政部主責的是財政資源的籌措那在資源配置的部分會呈現在預算書上那當然主席長所講的重點的資源都是重點的工作都是非常重要關乎的民生經濟我想這個都是民眾所關心的但是國防的部分必須要有國家的安全才能讓社會更安定經濟的發展才能夠更好"},{"start":2063.614,"end":2091.102,"text":"部長因為執政黨的行政團隊把普發現金的政策用破壞財政紀律來影響國力的帽子扣債在野黨那現在普發現金成案後竟然總統還能提出更大筆經費準備編列台灣之盾的國防預算那我請問部長為什麼要求政府普發現金就喊沒錢"},{"start":2092.242,"end":2112.043,"text":"就罵在野黨的做法知識體大反之普發現金定案後竟然賴總統還能夠提出更多國防預算在台灣之盾之上難道只有只要是在野黨的建議就是排取預算執政黨的政策就萬如一失嗎"},{"start":2113.004,"end":2115.506,"text":"你作何說法 你講跟委員報告我們國家的安全 台灣的安全除了關乎我們台灣民眾之外也關乎整個亞太地區經濟的一個安全所以這個部分很重要很重要 我知道 必須要強化那至於普發現金的這一個部分其實政府多年來對於中低收入或者是弱勢團體 脆弱的團體"},{"start":2136.938,"end":2139.139,"text":"我們必須要加強在這方面的支柱我想這個是非常重要的普發現金在任性條例已經入法了當然入法以後那些後續就是特別預算目前特別預算也經過大院的在審議當中"},{"start":2153.248,"end":2174.257,"text":"那經過大院的三讀通過我們就會後續就會來做執行發放的作業那我請教你為什麼我問國防部部長顧立雄在院會裡面來質詢我問他說到底我們現在有多少錢買武器還在美國結果武器沒來已經放了N年了他不敢回答顧部長不敢回答"},{"start":2179.019,"end":2206.752,"text":"對不對 所以他還要再去查一查你身為一個部長難道多少武器錢已經給了在美國武器沒來這個不敢答嗎 對不對然後你後續又要編列很多的預算像今年9495億 對不對你那麼多錢給美國結果武器沒來沒來你又繼續編包括最近那個海昆話大家都看在眼裡啦"},{"start":2207.742,"end":2223.86,"text":"對不對我們不是說國防不重要很重要防衛自己也很重要問題是對不對你給了錢武器什麼都沒來啊只給錢就好了什麼我們變成美國的小弟只要他講一我們就做三是不是部長"},{"start":2227.625,"end":2255.353,"text":"回顧台美談判過程四月中旬雙方展開首次的視訊會議五月初首輪實體磋商六月底又進行第二輪實體的磋商七月初第三度在美磋商八月進行第四輪的談判結果換來美國對等關稅台灣暫行稅率百分之二十還要疊加八月七日生效"},{"start":2256.82,"end":2275.366,"text":"那政務院長說經過五輪實體磋商關稅談判提出台灣模式共同打造產業聚落獲得美方正面的回應那我請問部長美方所謂正面的回應到底是什麼難道台灣暫行稅率20%已經獲得調降嗎還是確定這個取消了疊加的這些稅率"},{"start":2284.309,"end":2288.332,"text":"又或者部長你有更明確的答案來讓大家了解跟委員報告台美關稅的談判還在持續的進行當中那是由政府院長率領OTN去到相關的談判那我想政府院長也多次說明了我們在談判裡面是要秉持的維護國家的利益維護產業的一個發展的動能以及"},{"start":2307.723,"end":2321.429,"text":"一定要維護國民健康跟糧食安全在這樣的前提下進行相關的一些談判那同時在除了台美關稅之間對等關稅談判之外我們會爭取更好的對等關稅的稅率以及不要疊加以及232條款裡面能夠為我們產業爭取最好的結果然後"},{"start":2330.477,"end":2354.902,"text":"日本跟韓國15%沒有疊加對不對然後人家講什麼人家講一我們做三講實在話我們變成美國的小弟人家講一我們就做三談判團隊都會為國家的利益來做最大的一個爭取部長事實上對美談判台灣是弱勢的一方就本席的感覺多半被動而且受制於美方"},{"start":2355.982,"end":2377.592,"text":"按照政府院長的表示現階段談判重點美方期待擴大投資並進行供應鏈的合作那台灣希望能夠調降對等的關稅而且不疊加原來的稅率以及爭取232條款的優惠待遇那我請問"},{"start":2379.733,"end":2385.32,"text":"台美合作下的台灣模式你認為誰獲利最大美方還是台灣"},{"start":2387.184,"end":2410.522,"text":"所谓的台湾模式是由产业去投资那政府做协助然后以G2G的方式来做那这个部分应该是台湾美国以及企业都要能够三赢三赢但是现在确实摆在眼前我们现在的传统产业对不对水五金包括自行车甚至于这个工具机等等"},{"start":2411.883,"end":2424.735,"text":"那些產業活不下去而且很多都失業了都沒有辦法繼續生存這個叫談判的一個結果現階段就是這樣子而且那些失業人他未來會產生社會問題"},{"start":2426.189,"end":2429.411,"text":"對不對那個部長你有什麼看法是跟委員報告對於受到美國對等關稅影響有部分產業傳產的部分確實受到衝擊那政府也對於這些受到衝擊的產業進行相關的一些措施比如說像我們那個韌性那個特別條例以及特別預算就是包含這個項目在裡面我們要對於這些受衝擊的產業那個補助並不是"},{"start":2450.141,"end":2454.903,"text":"補助協助並不是終究也要讓他們升級轉型補助協助不是終究對不對我們談了那麼久得到的結果因為對於調降關稅不疊加原稅率以及232條款關稅"},{"start":2467.068,"end":2489.317,"text":"优惠的大意的谈判部长你认为哪一项对台湾的产业影响最大我们有什么筹码可以跟美国能够让他认同我想委员您说的都很重要那也是谈判团队非常重视的以及对美方会提出这方面的诉求但是已经谈了那么久现阶段确实存在的问题就在那里那么多产业活不下去"},{"start":2490.157,"end":2510.912,"text":"对不对那人家讲一我们做三那整个所有AI什么团队全部都要去你说我们企业可以生存吗对不对那个去国外投资这是产业它在布局的时候它会做一个考量那也有基于产业本身的利益来做考量的"},{"start":2511.232,"end":2519.879,"text":"那個部長另外有關美台快速雙重稅收減免的法案請問進度到哪裡了"},{"start":2520.794,"end":2531.601,"text":"是 謝謝委員這個關注要跟委員報告目前來說快速減免這個法案目前來說還是在參議院還在參議院當然美國還在處理它其他的優先法案因為6月下旬本期執行部長的時候看起來現在都還在還在排審當中 是對啊 那部長"},{"start":2541.368,"end":2563.989,"text":"法案後續要送到美國這個先眾院再參院那最後還要經過表決那還要經過美國總統的簽署那我請問部長就您了解你認為今年年底以前會不會排入我們參院來表決會不會在眾院的部分是今年1月15已經通過那有關參院的部分目前他們還在聚焦處理"},{"start":2564.429,"end":2578.885,"text":"川普政府的優先重要的法案所以目前在排審當中在時程上我們比較難以來做說明但是委員您的質詢可以表達就是我們台灣國內的產業的一個希望盡快簽署的一個意見我想這個也讓美方可以聽得到那你認為"},{"start":2580.006,"end":2608.467,"text":"明年會不會有機會財政部還有外交部以及駐美代表處都持續的跟美國的相關的國會跟官員在努力的進行當中而我們在技術面的部分我們和美方的政府其實還有持續的一直待在討論當中我希望要務實面不要那種虛晃然後好像就是騙一騙然後我們就一次又一次人家講什麼我們就做什麼"},{"start":2609.287,"end":2617.091,"text":"對不對是要有國格啊謝謝好謝謝委員指教謝謝好謝謝林委員接下來我們請吳秉瑞委員主席麻煩請財政部莊部長好我們請莊部長委員好"},{"start":2636.144,"end":2658.32,"text":"川普長早根據你今天早上的報告今年度在收這個稅收的時候它的比例是比較慢但是你沒有說明其中很大的原因是因為為了因應美國關稅政策延緩提供了這個延分期繳納"},{"start":2659.841,"end":2686.671,"text":"所以造成這個統計的結果這個因應美國關稅所提供的研分期繳納到底會有沒有計算過這樣子事實上是少收了多少將來當然會補上我是說目前少收了多少大概有申請研分期大概有530幾億主要是營所稅的部分加上這個其實就沒有慢了"},{"start":2687.803,"end":2716.358,"text":"對 那也跟委員報告我們先跟委員報告就是114年的稅客收入的預算數比113年的實徵數我們有增加到947億好 947億那我們如果到9月底為止我們中央的實徵數和到去年同期的實徵數事實上目前來說是少了365億那主要的原因也可以跟委員報告第一個就是銀索稅的部分"},{"start":2716.638,"end":2737.196,"text":"就是剛剛講的這個岩分期岩分期之外還有因為站腳稅款是到9月所以有些稅款會在10月才入帳所以真正的稅款會到10月我們才可以看出一個全貌我認為你們還是估得很保守因為今年的GDP照主計總數的講法今年明顯就會超過4.5個百分點"},{"start":2739.136,"end":2754.142,"text":"然後成長數所以你明年的說客收入依照你們今年提出的預算數估起來是保守我再一次跟你講你估的保守本來沒有問題啦但是被人家拿來做政治操作就會產生問題"},{"start":2756.279,"end":2774.612,"text":"預算收入是一個估計數沒有什麼超收的問題中華民國要收每一毛稅全部都要法律有明文規定法律有明文規定你也不能不收啊所以哪有什麼超收這個字也根本不對超過估計的預算數時收數超過估數"},{"start":2778.895,"end":2803.861,"text":"超過原來估計的預算數對 那我是要跟你說其實你今年還是孤跑手如果照我們今年這個GDP的成長再加上目前因為AI 因為這個電子產業當然我們現在是M型化但是台灣的產業剛好就是在AI在電子產業這一塊也是世界的非常重要的分布所以短期之內看起來這一方面還會很有榮景"},{"start":2805.438,"end":2830.009,"text":"那我是認為啦今年的上市櫃公司所獲利可能會創歷史新高以前市造今年可能會不值所以我是覺得你們的估算還是很保守那你如果很保守你就要開始在因應在野黨又要講說來你超收啊 你要還稅於民啊 錢給我啊他不知道我們"},{"start":2831.369,"end":2850.476,"text":"優先順序該要做的事情裡面有很多就變成要舉借來特別預算所以他每次來跟你講都講一半我要發錢這個東西你說是沒有錢那你們怎麼有錢去做其他事情我要做其他事情因為其他事情的優先順序很重要啊"},{"start":2851.65,"end":2878.502,"text":"可能比每一個國民要領一萬塊還要重要所以他沒有當家他不知道我們在講的是體制行政機關有使用人事跟預算的權利立法機關哪裡有憲法規定我們不能為增加預算的提案結果立法院弄一個法律然後叫你這邊花錢那邊花錢整個國家體制都破壞掉了"},{"start":2880.112,"end":2893.037,"text":"這樣子你要怎麼擔任所以我是這一次跟你說財政收支劃分法現在行政院要提出版本了對不對財政收支劃分法它不是只有管收不是只有中央跟地方財"},{"start":2894.591,"end":2921.239,"text":"政的分配跟地方政府水平的財政的分配不是他重要的是資的部分權責要相符哪一些部分要中央來執行哪一些部分地方政府要執行講清楚在這個執行政策上面總共要花多少錢這樣子才來分配錢先要講事權的分配事權的分配完之後才搭配給多少錢"},{"start":2922.864,"end":2951.191,"text":"是的那我對你們的期許是把這個事情跟社會大眾講清楚你們的版本喔行政院的版本現在來到立法院我認為很難過啦因為現在藍白人數量是多他不跟你討論真正的到底是需要什麼反正大家就是講到錢就是搶然後不講道理你現在這個財政收支劃分法如果沒有好好處理我跟你講會發生幾件事情第一個每一個地方政府都搶稅"},{"start":2953.186,"end":2977.994,"text":"因為你現在營業稅大部分就變成財政收支劃分法裡面的統籌分配稅款了嘛要分給地方政府嘛扣掉4%以外全部歸地方政府那你的4%是要給你們積增的金額啊積增金額以及那個獎金統一發票獎金那我現在問一個問題啦齁你現在如果舉一個例子你企業的總部給我設在台北市結果你工廠設在桃園或是生產的地點設在新北的將來營業稅算在哪裡繳"},{"start":2980.787,"end":3005.762,"text":"跟委員報告最主要因為這一次新版的財化法他在裡面把盈利事業的營業額的比重放得非常高也就是會遇到委員剛剛講的這個情況那因為把營業額放得特別高以至於工商發展的城市他就貨配特別多那麼就是會造成各縣市政府未來會去爭取相關的企業當然我不是啦我如果是新北市長我現在就要求我在新北市在這邊給我設生產地點的對你營業額不給我納過來新北市的話對"},{"start":3010.731,"end":3027.814,"text":"我就要開始來找你這個有什麼地方不符合任何的法令都是給你嚴格監管那這樣就變成每一個地方政府為了自己的將來的統籌分配稅就變成搶稅啦是 而且會干擾到企業的一個運作對 那你這個事情你準備要怎麼解釋"},{"start":3028.454,"end":3049.545,"text":"我想未來我們的財化法的規劃其實是第一個會優先要彌補基整財政收支的一個差段這個部分然後把營業額的部分不會把它放到這麼高我們會基本上要先保障財源你講的是你現在行政院提出的草案嘛那我現在跟你講的是現在立法院已經通過的那個案子你們現在提過來這個草案我認為不容易過啦"},{"start":3052.446,"end":3075.873,"text":"但是你們要好好的跟社會大眾說明你們現在提出這個草案是基於什麼原因必須要這樣子處理我跟你講不然都獨厚台北市台北市企業總部一大堆結果他在生產的地點都在別人的地方將來一夜睡都算台北市的第二個我們國稅局有非常多優秀的公務員可是一個問題"},{"start":3077.444,"end":3097.989,"text":"你這個是代收將來營業稅要給地方政府國稅局這麼認真幹嘛我在那邊計徵拿到的稅款又不是歸我雙方政府是地方政府我替地方政府在查稅結果你們國稅局當壞人然後拿到錢的都是地方政府"},{"start":3099.124,"end":3115.078,"text":"那國稅局的同仁要為地方政府去得罪這些優秀公務員要為地方政府去得罪那麼多人去得罪這些企業大家都知道為國家查稅是合理的但是問題是你要查稅喔被查稅的對象他就心中"},{"start":3115.959,"end":3143.784,"text":"不論如何他心裡都會有怨言嘛對不對那這個問題你要怎麼解決我覺得將來這個方面的激增也會出問題耶我想委員您的建議我們都會在新版財化法就我們未來要向外界說清楚講明白說清楚好那最後問一個小問題這個國營在新南向國家現在有很多分行要裁撤那可不可以跟我說明主要的考量是什麼"},{"start":3144.842,"end":3153.265,"text":"我想我們的國營在對在涉外面的紙行分行或辦事處他們要考量的因素包含有營運成本的問題還有業務拓展的問題還有怎麼樣整合他們的據點資源來降低營運成本當然也有跟當地的一些政局的影響業務的情形都要考慮我想我們的國營"},{"start":3164.309,"end":3168.491,"text":"我們的公股行庫對於外面設分行或紙行辦事處他們在如何設點的時候都要會做整體的考量而且我們也會尊重他們在業務佈局上的一些審慎的一些課而且他要經過經管會的同意他要經過當地政府的同意都有一定的程序妳講的我懂啦 仰光可能是比較特別因為它現在就是政變之後有很多的不安定"},{"start":3188.022,"end":3190.924,"text":"其他的地方你如果這樣講是對的話你就會說情況有所變更不然當初要設分行也是要跟金管會申請經過審慎的考量之後才慎重的決定去設分行現在設了之後突然之間好幾家銀行都要測這個據點"},{"start":3204.87,"end":3234.313,"text":"那就代表當初籌設時候的判斷跟現在實際的狀況是有所差距是變動的情況這個變動如果是外在環境的變動我們了解這個變動就要理由就要講出來要講清楚說明白好不好好的我們對你們很支持但是你們要加油你們的困境要向社會大眾說明在立法院講是沒有人聽得到的好不好這裡是講這裡現在是比例大小沒有在講道理的"},{"start":3234.753,"end":3238.236,"text":"謝謝委員 謝謝委員的期許 謝謝好 謝謝吳委員接下來我們請賴世保委員謝謝主席 各位先進有請財政部長以及所有的公股銀行的董事長一起好嗎"},{"start":3264.273,"end":3267.175,"text":"我們請莊部長還有八大公股的董事長委員好好 幾位長官好時間先不要記好不好他們在走路不要忘記時間了"},{"start":3283.624,"end":3297.351,"text":"首先請教部長 普發現金明天大概就可以刪讀 應該是確定的草野協商也都簽字了 明天就會刪讀通過了按照慣例總統10天內公告 25日以前會公告"},{"start":3305.635,"end":3310.616,"text":"那請問你們現在作業的準備情況怎麼樣什麼時候我就問你很簡單的問題什麼時候第一筆錢可以發出去什麼時候跟委員報告第一筆錢發出去因為我們發的方式有很多種我們會逐步的一些推動那所以呢我們會先把需要這個直接入帳的名冊都要核對完畢因為總統公布那當天的那一天的日期所有這個"},{"start":3331.601,"end":3349.375,"text":"符合資格的人清車要先離清楚那離清楚我們大概需要幾天的時間那第二個就是有關那個還有偏鄉登記的部分要完成另外呢在於登記網站也要開始讓我們民眾們可以上網站上面去登錄這些都可以做那我們的第一個時間我們會開記者會讓告訴社會大眾哪一天我們開始做什麼哪一天開始做什麼哪一天開始做"},{"start":3358.542,"end":3380.195,"text":"可以做什麼都可以我想跟委員報告很可以確定如果10月17號大院三讀通過總統在第二個禮拜如果能夠在次禮拜開始公告我們那個禮拜的當天我們就開記者會說明讓所有親屬了解如果在這樣的話我們應該11月一定是可以11月的上旬就可以發放按次序來做發放"},{"start":3382.757,"end":3396.325,"text":"我們都認為十月底就可以發放來搞到十一月下禮拜總統就公佈啦一個禮拜就公佈啦所以十月底就可以發啦為什麼要十一月呢我想委員您的期許我們也一定會盡快來做十月底啦時間上我們看公佈的時間然後我用盡快的速度來做"},{"start":3402.628,"end":3405.952,"text":"做11月5號 忘10月30號這樣可以嗎到幾號11月5號11月5號 你們上巡啊我就訂11月5號上巡啊對不對但是目標是10月30號以前啦 這樣啦"},{"start":3418.107,"end":3444.208,"text":"給你五天作為時間總統公告一定很快公告了昨天總統還講話咧說要朝野支持普發現金啊我們都支持啦我們會用盡快的速度我們是Echo賴總統這樣講的啊我們會用盡快的速度跟委員報告發這個錢第一個一定要安全一定要安全而且不能重複也不能遺漏所以這個部分在造冊的部分不能遺漏所以跟委員報告我們一定要做最好的準備然後以最快的速度來發發那第一筆是什麼時候發是什麼樣的什麼方式是最快的"},{"start":3447.711,"end":3462.661,"text":"什麼方式啊直接入帳的部分照冊完以後我們也會開始做直接照冊幾天啊直接入帳會最快應該會第一個嘛對幾天大概幾天可以這個直接入帳我們照冊完照冊整個整理完畢大概需要幾天五個工作天吧"},{"start":3475.373,"end":3481.158,"text":"對 造冊制造五個工作天以後我們就會讓那個帳戶直接讓他進去所以我講的沒有錯嘛如果賴總統12月24號因為12月25是放假的嘛給他一個禮拜就24號23號公佈你五天所以10月28號就可以啦所以10月30號我抓10月30是嘟嘟後年啦"},{"start":3497.212,"end":3499.354,"text":"跟委員報告總統公佈當天我們就會開記者會所有日期都會在上面公佈我覺得委員我們到時候就會說得很清楚十月底可以的我們來看財政部你這個所屬的幾個單位特別是後面幾個大董事長我們的范工股范工股請問"},{"start":3519.403,"end":3526.75,"text":"最近這兩天吵得很兇的全勤獎金來 范光鼓來一位代表要不要龍頭是台穎還是趙鋒啊台穎 你來代表你們都有全勤獎金吧我們沒有全勤獎金沒有全勤喔沒有趙鋒有沒有不修正"},{"start":3541.974,"end":3558.238,"text":"報告委員 我們有不休假獎金那就是全勤啦 一樣的意思啊對 但是他還是有一些比例的問題不是說一定要全勤休假也可以啦不是部分休假也可以也可以有不休假獎金所以不休假獎金就等同全勤獎金我們兩個都有 兩個都有抱歉 招風兩個都有 台銀"},{"start":3565.971,"end":3590.502,"text":"台銀是怎樣?台銀就是因為所有的員工都是公務員所以所有的制度都比照公務人員公務人員沒有全勤獎金我們也沒有全勤獎金你也沒有就對了我沒有第二個很重要的生育補貼後面幾個大老闆、大董事長是不是都低胎十萬對不對?不對的舉手"},{"start":3593.831,"end":3595.412,"text":"我們每一台都加10萬可以嗎"},{"start":3607.259,"end":3624.037,"text":"呃 報告委員 家沒有問題啦問題是 我跟你說過一點點欸 現在台灣的社會生不如死啊這是國安的問題啊它產生的效果不見得 不見得能夠符合大家的預期啊對不對 你這個第一胎加十萬來十二萬嘛 你是十二萬嘛 對不對十二十五十八 十二十五十八"},{"start":3628.562,"end":3637.984,"text":"我知道 十二十五十八太久了 統統加死了第一胎加十萬 第二胎加十萬 第三胎加十萬其實我都認為第三胎應該到一百萬了鼓勵你生第三個啊不然台灣現在人口老化這麼嚴重對不對報告委員 這我們回去再研究一下再研究一下可不可以 那個財政部長啊部長啊 你要不要帶頭一下"},{"start":3658.038,"end":3669.156,"text":"帶頭我又過了我怎麼帶頭不是 你就一聲令下每個人加每一個階段每一台加十萬啊"},{"start":3670.649,"end":3688.94,"text":"可以嗎 去研究一下很少啦 這錢很少啦看公股裡面相關的制度他們會走他們的制度去做那公股行 國營的部分有國營的制度我查過了某一個大金控他們生第一胎的只有200多個人加10萬就加2000萬"},{"start":3693.737,"end":3719.928,"text":"這兩千萬對你們營業額幾百億幾上千億的算什麼但是對這個鼓勵員工生產就很有幫助啦對不對當然後面養更重要啦養再增加啦這個生產什麼什麼才十二十五十八太久了太久了這個研究一下部長統一規定大家加十萬每一個都加十萬第三個變一百"},{"start":3722.434,"end":3733.142,"text":"委員希望年輕朋友們多生一些孩子我們那個銀行今年賺的錢比去年多了舉手比去年多照報沒有照報沒有準備加薪的舉手準備加薪的都沒有加薪賺的錢賺的比去年多都沒有加薪"},{"start":3750.31,"end":3770.989,"text":"怎麼會 部長啊 你看你謝啊錢要賺這麼多 然後對員工不加薪是的 我想我們的工股代表都會為我們的員工們來爭取你看喔 剛才舉手喔大部分的八大官方工股行庫"},{"start":3772.472,"end":3797.981,"text":"都賺的錢比去年多 除了少數一兩家結果通通不加薪 做非常壞的事患做非常壞的事患 做非常壞的事患報告委員 抱歉 報告委員我們不一定加薪 因為我們可以從年度的那個不能這樣加 加薪才定在那裡啦 你這樣獎金也可以增加 如果賺的多的話獎金還是增加的"},{"start":3801.062,"end":3812.966,"text":"有委員去質詢別的地方說我們宮古銀行有說因為退伍軍人被中國大陸通緝所以不給他辦貸款"},{"start":3815.642,"end":3822.743,"text":"有人查說是台銀台銀董事長有沒有回應一下這個事情有沒有這種事情你們查過這個事情有沒有我們做了初步的了解其實是沒有這樣的問題因為我們銀行辦的是公保公保不會是個人來做投保一定是透過藥保單位來做投保確定不是你不是最後一個請教部長你21號 22號有沒有參加APEC的財政部長會議"},{"start":3845.188,"end":3848.213,"text":"這一次會在韓國的在韓國的說好那台美租稅協定什麼時候可以搞定"},{"start":3853.568,"end":3877.497,"text":"台美租稅協定大家都很關切那也跟委員報告那個快速減免法案在1月15號今年1月15號眾院通過目前在參院的排審當中那我們也知道川普政府目前在推動相關的法案所以他們會優先排他們的優先法案那我們這個快速減免法案目前在排審當中可是我們財政部和美方的財政部相關的技術性的工作還是在持續的討論進行當中"},{"start":3878.217,"end":3888.046,"text":"去年你參加APEC之前我有問你同樣的問題你可以有同樣的答案都一樣啦 就幾年又幾年都很順利啦很樂觀啦結果就是沒有很樂觀啦 每一年都一樣的故事每一年都一樣的答案結果都原地塔不搭部長"},{"start":3896.673,"end":3900.017,"text":"這個謊話說多了 鼻子會變長那不是謊話 那是話大話說多了鼻子也會變長外交部和駐美代表處都持續在努力當中結果就沒有"},{"start":3912.672,"end":3921.961,"text":"我們要看結果 結果就沒有還在進行當中都沒有辦法努力一下會的會 持續都在努力我想院長也好 總統也好一年前就這樣講了每一年都這樣講所以您知道租稅協定是不容易簽訂的謝謝賴委員接下來我們請郭國文委員"},{"start":3942.809,"end":3950.199,"text":"主席有請部長還有八大公股銀行的董事長我們再請周部長八大公股銀行董事長委員好"},{"start":3955.584,"end":3974.969,"text":"部長好 我想剛剛這個委員有問到有關於最近有人爆料說公股的這一個行庫有因為中國的制裁而拒絕對退役軍人辦理貸款保險剛剛台銀的這個董事長已經否認我想進一步了解一下其他的公股銀行有類似的狀況嗎"},{"start":3977.711,"end":3995.955,"text":"有沒有我們大概也初步跟各個公股行戶了解並沒有這樣初步了解並沒有這樣的一件事情都沒有這種狀況好 那如果確認的話麻煩財政部對外說明一下否則的話這是非常不合理的事情那另外一個部分呢就我所知道我們八大公股銀行現在已經有啟動黃金的WRWA也就是實質資產代幣化的這個部分"},{"start":4003.797,"end":4010.829,"text":"這個部分我想請問一下銀行這邊有沒有誰可以出來講一個話狀況如何 進度如何 台銀"},{"start":4014.44,"end":4026.492,"text":"報告委員 代幣化的研究其實我們由台灣銀行還有其他的七家銀行共同參與目前是進行一個試驗的階段我們的代幣後面的資產是用黃金因為台灣銀行是唯一有銷售實體黃金的一個銀行所以現在成效還不錯"},{"start":4036.403,"end":4062.829,"text":"因為這個狀況還可以吧還可以 對…那目前是在進行接下來你們在9月10號的時候你們有討論到穩定幣對不對對 就是用穩定幣因為這等於是在發行穩定幣一個前身的一個概念也是一個代幣化的業務對不對如果是這樣子的話照你上台灣銀行是這種處理的話台灣銀行接下來在穩定幣要綁住這個實體的貨幣的話 法幣的話那台銀是目前新台幣的發行"},{"start":4064.269,"end":4092.625,"text":"那兆豐銀行是外匯的一個結算銀行有沒有可能從由台銀來做台幣的穩定幣然後由兆豐來負責外幣的穩定幣的這樣的分工台灣銀行目前不是台幣的發行機構現在新台幣的發行是中央銀行主要會不會由你們比較代表性的國營來做代表我們是幫他做一些這個發行就是他印完以後我們幫他發行就是承接主要的發行的業務那實際上印製是中央銀行印製是中央銀行沒有錯然後發行業務是你們對不對"},{"start":4093.946,"end":4113.356,"text":"那有沒有可能這樣子然後另外董董外幣的部分我們並沒有商定就是說要發行穩定幣那只是一個我們在財政部記的檢討報告裡面我們就是有一個報告就是談到穩定幣而已現在還沒有談到穩定幣並沒有說我們所有關股要做穩定幣那我就請教一下部長"},{"start":4115.217,"end":4125.983,"text":"那各位就請回 董事長就請回了部長 我請教你一下如果這樣子的話以現在央行的這個央行的總裁有提到說將來這個發行權是由金融機構那公股銀行不會帶頭嗎來從事這金融科技嗎跟委員報告目前來說有關數位資產服務法這個部分"},{"start":4135.99,"end":4163.372,"text":"金管会已经研擬了应该在行政院的研讨当中那未来会对于稳定币有相关的一个第一个发行的条件还有它要怎么样透明以及跟有关的一个法定资产怎么样去连接以及监管等等我想这个部分未来在这个服务法里面都要做详细的规定那么有这样的一个法规以后后面要怎么样去谁来做发行这个未来可能都要看市场的一个情况"},{"start":4163.772,"end":4179.044,"text":"公股銀行有沒有意思來做這一個發行的機構我想這個部分會由銀行他們來做評估那財政部都有一個意見表示嗎他剛剛問財政部因為現在來說穩定幣在國外有像比如說跟美元綁跟美債綁"},{"start":4183.868,"end":4204.484,"text":"如果你還沒有評估的話我建議你稍微慎重評估一下因為這是未來一個很重要的一個空間跟市場那另外一個部分我請教一下部長的部分部長前幾天那個院長被追問到說要不要送這個財發法的修正案他很用力的點頭那這個點頭的意思是這個會期能不能送進來這個版本 院的版本"},{"start":4207.27,"end":4222.509,"text":"我们的部分其实财政部有相关的一些方案那也持续在跟行政院再跟行政院报告那行政院如果说什么是最送我们会提版本你们就马上送我们马上是版本就马上送如果院长说送你们就送"},{"start":4223.54,"end":4245.052,"text":"可以的因为我们会再进一步讨论为什么因为9月13号的时候各地方政府的首长都有来他们也提相关的意见我们都会放进去所以说简单的讲财政部都已经准备好了版本的都OK了就送行政院之后那也要跟委员报告下个礼拜二我们会再次邀请地方政府来开会对在既有的共识基础上我们再往前再推动然后会把相关的草案"},{"start":4245.652,"end":4270.373,"text":"所以最快要下礼拜后再开一个会议之后会再找地方政府来开会开一次会之后然后送行政院看行政院什么时候送因为之前也开过三次了版本也是差不多了只要再确认一下就可以了本席也提出那个相对的版本出来我着重的地方是在财政的平衡也就让地方能够拥有最基本的财政的需求"},{"start":4271.033,"end":4289.003,"text":"另外我還著重的部分是區域的平衡也能夠滿足各地的建設的需求第三 環境的平衡讓這個產業的分工不要有污染的指標要把污染的指標納入有三個平衡所以這三個平衡當中在版本制定的時候將來我們有機會再來做對話還有一個部分國安基金從4月進場到現在已經六個月了"},{"start":4296.767,"end":4323.934,"text":"那目前為止國安基金扮演一定的一個角色但是未來還是有不確定的因素不論是關稅的不確定或者地權政治不確定或中國有一些結構性的外溢的效應的不確定都有可能造成股市上的一個衝擊那現在要問我們的台灣的股市現在25年來在股市上已經飆漲了11倍那國安基金的這個嚇阻能力大家擔心會越來越不足"},{"start":4325.114,"end":4342.021,"text":"本席在3月的時候就已經提出這個議題當時部長你也認同說5000億不夠那當初國安基金成立的時候的整個IPO的市場的總有的市值才8兆而已我3月質詢的時候是70兆你知道現在幾兆了嗎您上面寫90兆對 90兆 答案都給你了就是說等等整個從5000億的角度來看我們從比重的這個6%降到成0.5%"},{"start":4354.488,"end":4361.004,"text":"部長 我們都已經提出版本了我想請問一下院這邊 財政這邊要不要提出版本"},{"start":4363.168,"end":4374.256,"text":"委員是希望擴大那個國安基金的一個規模那我想這個部分也是我們在評估的一個事項那從4月8應該是4月9號開始這一次的一個進場以後我們歷次的例會裡面都在討論目前在上個禮拜四召開的國安基金的例會裡面認為還是持續在進場並沒有退場那最主要是要穩定股市然後加強投資人的信心維護投資人的信心"},{"start":4390.567,"end":4405.194,"text":"這個繼續再做那委員所關切的這個規模的部分我們會持續的評估是上次是說認為不夠你現在要退回去持續評估對那我問你說我們要不要提出版本那你之前是尊重那個大院的意見那你到底"},{"start":4405.934,"end":4430.712,"text":"赞成或不赞成或要或不要提出我想这个部分在我们的国安基金的委员会里面会在做讨论国安基金委员会提过很多次了大部分都希望提高我都打听过了那你为什么还要再评过我就不晓得为什么你是不愿意提版本是不是也不是 我没有不愿意那你态度怎么样 我听不出来我们基本上持正面的态度"},{"start":4431.152,"end":4451.948,"text":"持正面的態度但是沒有很積極的方法方法也不難部長我真的覺得你應該稍微積極一點你應該提出一個相對應的版本出來否則的話你會陷入財政收支劃分法的這種狀況變成立法院的版本裡面沒有版本提出版本才是一個最負責的態度部長"},{"start":4454.049,"end":4468.283,"text":"谢谢委员本席再给你慎重提醒那最后的部分呢我想问一下到底今年过去往年的这个税收都年年超标那超标的结果呢总共四年累积起来大概有1.87兆"},{"start":4470.865,"end":4491.013,"text":"那過往當然我們都是用來還債但是我們基本需求跟投資未來都還有很大的一個需求的情況底下這個你看到的這種現象我這樣 以照目前這個今年的最收的執行率這個是91點多 去年了91.7是不是"},{"start":4492.335,"end":4500.404,"text":"然後現在是剩下三個月是75.5對不對那你預估起來今年的稅收的狀況還是會超標嗎還是會短增"},{"start":4504.931,"end":4508.995,"text":"跟委員報告今年我剛剛說今年的114年的預算數比113年的實增數實增數增加了947億那到9月底為止我們今年的實增數比去年113年同期的實增數是減少365億這中央的部分365億365億"},{"start":4527.189,"end":4547.888,"text":"所以呢今年要達成110年要達成我們的預算數基本上是很具有挑戰性的因為我們的預算數已經比去年的實證書增加提高但是到9月底是比去年少那當然這個原因我們也去分析第一個銀索稅的部分目前還沒有完全入帳因為9月有一個站腳稅款還沒有完全入帳表現還不錯啊"},{"start":4548.909,"end":4567.823,"text":"对那看上半年当然盈利事业货不错但是还有部分有所以你对连达标都感到别观对还有一个正交税正交税是减少两比去年同期减少223亿223亿那这个部分呢如果后续的股市的成交量能够"},{"start":4568.816,"end":4591.485,"text":"達到近5000億的話可能在這個預算數上在證交稅的預算數上是可以達到另外就是貨物稅貨物稅目前來說也是減增到123億這裡面有一部分是因為小客車的部分因為當時的稅制大家在觀望所以就影響到買氣那這個部分我們希望在因為在9月份的時候看起來小客車的貨物稅有一些拉上來了拉上來了"},{"start":4593.326,"end":4607.602,"text":"所以貨物稅另外在關稅的部分目前也減少42億但是不多主要還是貨物稅減少100多億所以我們大概都會分析各個稅務以及去考量今年的預算數能不能達標但是跟委員報告今年的預算數達標具有一定的挑戰性"},{"start":4608.203,"end":4628,"text":"有一定的挑戰性所以說你預期來說恐怕不會有超標的可能要超過可能有點困難有困難我們追求如果能夠達標就偷笑了是不是沒有偷笑都是努力的成果大家努力的成果加油希望還有機會看到你新的紀錄謝謝我們謝謝國委員接下來我們請來會員委員"},{"start":4641.701,"end":4645.807,"text":"謝謝主席 請部長我們請莊部長那也請董瑞斌 招風監控招風監控 董董事長"},{"start":4654.524,"end":4673.542,"text":"我想今天針對的就是那個財政資訊中心的智慧化就是從我們從AI的稅務轉型跟房屋稅跟TISA這幾個議題跟你做一個探討那我先跟董董事長先跟你感謝一下就是說在今年9月初"},{"start":4674.162,"end":4695.916,"text":"那就是我個人到紐約去那我有到兆豐紐約公司去了那可能紐約公司存在很多的問題這個私下我再找你一起討論因為顏額太多可是必須要多還有業務的一個目標這個也是我們需要比較深度的一個探討"},{"start":4696.676,"end":4707.05,"text":"那非常謝謝謝謝那個美國同仁的還有八大工股 航庫這些同仁的一個資源非常我個人代表我自己非常謝謝好 董董事長你請回部長我想針對的就是說"},{"start":4713.539,"end":4731.609,"text":"財政部在智慧中心推廣的這個我們要套上那個AIAI稅務的一個轉型是不是可以解決這個稅務上的一個困境那我們從智能稅務服務的四年計畫一直到這個雲端服務的一個平台的一個建構好 這麼多的一個"},{"start":4733.433,"end":4752.839,"text":"我們的一個服務的一個面向我想在這裡要特別特別跟部長提到了就是說現在大家各吹一把號請轉到下一頁大家各吹一把號所有的地方的稅務局稅務處大家都有一套"},{"start":4755.595,"end":4772.525,"text":"RPA 這個RPA是一個很小的一個城市那建置起來大概成本不一有一些是一百多萬有一些三百多萬那如果這樣子的一個建置的話那是不是可以就是由我們財政部統合統合一個比較好的比較廣的"},{"start":4776.667,"end":4792.195,"text":"就是說不管在文書上的一個寄送還是自動的一個比對案件的一個篩選甚至申報的一個輔助我們變成是一個比較大的一個軟體那它的樣態比較多這樣子是不是適用在全國呢我想聽聽你的意見"},{"start":4793.865,"end":4797.848,"text":"是謝謝委員那我想我們財政資訊中心其實在這個部分的努力都一直在進行當中不管是國稅或地方稅我們都一直在統合在做然後讓他做第一個就是效率更高然後正確性更高那在這個有關做所謂的RPA因為有關相關的稅務機關自行在開發大多是比較小型的那委員是認為說其實這個會形成資源的浪費跟重複這個我們也認同"},{"start":4821.767,"end":4826.369,"text":"那對於比較高的或複雜度的部分我想我們財政部的財政中心在做這個沒有問題那至於各個稅捐機關他們自行研發出來的那我們每一年其實不管是在我們財政部的部會報或者是在財政部的複稅會報複稅會報會有各地方的稅務機關一起來參加"},{"start":4838.914,"end":4853.281,"text":"那他們也會把他們的研發創新的部分在會上做報告那這個部分呢我們希望透過這樣的一個部分來做擴散也就是說他們自己研發出來的各機關可以去做其他稅務機關可以去做沿用就不需要重複浪費那你統籌財政部統籌做一個比較大的一個軟體那沒有問題那個財政部都是在做我們中心"},{"start":4860.465,"end":4879.844,"text":"主任也可以中心也可以補充說明要不要不用 我跟你講資料給本席好 謝謝部長 針對著5月份開始推動的房屋稅房屋稅2.0新制的一個亂象這個在這裡我想你要推動這個房屋稅2.0"},{"start":4881.385,"end":4904.421,"text":"美其名你就是希望這個房價可以控制房價可以控制可是現在顯然在房屋市場裡頭這個價錢上並沒有跌那當然量縮這個量縮有很多很多的一個因素可是這個不涉及的一個房屋稅2.0你個人覺得說在實施的過程裡頭你滿意嗎"},{"start":4907.042,"end":4920.528,"text":"跟委員報告當然他不是100分的滿意但是我覺得有80分以上為什麼因為房屋稅這一次的2.0是第一年的實施那這個實施就第一個是全國總歸戶過往只有地方在地方縣裡面歸戶那這裡面全國總歸戶的時候你覺得有80%我覺得有80%你的滿意度有80%是"},{"start":4930.313,"end":4951.97,"text":"我覺得同仁跟地方稅務機關的努力確實有怪不得你會聽護稅署署長給你做這樣子的一個不涉及的一個建議我都覺得我應該建議你說你再喬一個次長出來然後把這個護稅署署長升次長然後就是在這個執行這兩三年如果三年執行的不好的話掉下來當參事"},{"start":4953.531,"end":4977.645,"text":"不是 我要跟委員說明所有我相信在現場的很多的人只要是兩棟房子兩棟房子 這兩棟房子不是炒房起來的這個是除夕的除夕累積起來的好 那我用一個案例問你 部長如果就是我是一個單身漢那我"},{"start":4980.387,"end":4997.333,"text":"白天就是說我上班日的時候我在台北那到了六日的時候我必須回到我的故鄉台南那這樣子我這兩棟房子都是自住的那你的房屋稅你要給我扣多少你是適用1.2還是適用其他的一個%"},{"start":5000.154,"end":5003.298,"text":"你要是用3.2還是是用1.2呢我就請教你一個簡單的問題跟委員報告我知道因為這一次的製作必須為什麼會是滿意度你認為80%我們在執行面其實第一個事先的規劃以及這個法規的一個修正的政策目的我們有去做那當然部分在執行過程當中因為各縣市的狀況不同"},{"start":5021.118,"end":5025.42,"text":"尤其不曾實施縣市歸戶的因為他在經驗上沒有所以我們其實在執行過程當中都去做相關的函事而且做我們也訂了相關的手冊那我相信這個部分不一年一年這一個單身漢他有兩棟房子然後他是要繳房屋稅要繳多少的這個部分因為我們這一次的製住他必須要符合設戶籍當然你剛剛就說因為戶籍只能設一處對不對"},{"start":5046.929,"end":5063.084,"text":"那另外他如果有那我实际就是自助型的实习亲属也可以涉及也同样是属于自助好啊很好啊你就是因为这一个睡法的一个实施这个心智的一个实施你害了多少人妻离子善你知道吗"},{"start":5064.264,"end":5081.545,"text":"我跟你講我的家裡頭有三棟房子的話我必須要把我的小孩子放在A棟房子我的老婆放在B棟房子我自己留在C棟房子怎麼會是這樣搞呢這個其實某種程度上沒關係那個署長你來代答"},{"start":5082.645,"end":5103.055,"text":"因為這整個政策都是你全力的一個推動的那你長期就是在我們稅務系統裡頭你沒有到地方政府的一個實務上的一個演練結果你搞了一個新清安2.0你真的是要把我們民進黨害死啊你知道有多少人在罵你的房屋稅新制2.0嗎"},{"start":5104.756,"end":5115.467,"text":"怎麼會是部長 你80%滿意呢不 我要跟委員報告這個第一個 當時訂定這個法律是有政策目的而且它落實執行 達到我覺得是有落實去執行當時的目的部長你聽我講 我再丟一個議題給你我是北門的那個老人那我有榮寶"},{"start":5128.439,"end":5146.907,"text":"可是我住在斜甲 我住在斜甲這樣子的話可是事實上我的那個榮保不能移出來因為我的榮保每個月它會付我8000塊那我現在我只要繳3000多塊你這個薪資上來的時候我要繳1萬多塊的房屋稅那我該怎麼辦它事實上它是真正的就是有基礎的一個事實"},{"start":5155.427,"end":5174.317,"text":"那為什麼不要把這一個這個顯然是漏洞百出你都不知道說地方有多少人在罵這個房屋稅2.0跟地價稅是一致的就是說我們所謂自住是社戶級所以跟地價稅的認定上基本上是一致的我跟你講"},{"start":5177.284,"end":5204.358,"text":"部長我去調台南的資料這個今年五月份的時候因為後來你又延長到了六月六月六月中嘛六月中的時候就有一段有一段時間讓大家去升那個就是去把那個戶籍遷走那在台南就是5.2萬戶的民眾是適用在1.2的這個稅率那台南市政府多收了2.8億"},{"start":5205.979,"end":5232.348,"text":"那房屋稅也多收了9億可是這個2.8億跟這個9億這個對地方的財稅有多少的意義可是你造成了你不是在服務老百姓你是在跟百姓搶這一個他應該有的現有的這個體制內的當然你們是好意你們好意你們認為說好 我就是要逼你"},{"start":5233.248,"end":5248.022,"text":"房子多的人你要回到那個房屋市場來可是問題就是說你這樣的一個操作為什麼我要告訴你說新清安也是一個很好的政策結果搞到不可收拾呢你這個房屋稅也是一樣部長回去好好研究不要只有找護稅署署長來開會多找幾個"},{"start":5258.126,"end":5286.303,"text":"我想我們再找時間去委員辦公室跟委員請教我跟你講這個會場會場的一個嚴重謝謝委員我們再找時間去委員辦公室請教部長Tisa下一次再告訴你那我想這個也是一個非常重要的一個議題謝謝不要80%滿意我聽到你你是一個會場最智的人你80%滿意我就想說怪不得這個政策會推了就是因為有你的支持"},{"start":5288.083,"end":5302.666,"text":"很嚴重啊 這地方造成很大的一個民怨謝謝委員 謝謝妻離子散 單身的都不敢多買一間房子好 謝謝我們賴委員接下來我們請李燕秀委員我可不可以請部長跟台英的董事長來"},{"start":5317.35,"end":5319.995,"text":"我們請專部長還有林董事長"},{"start":5322.947,"end":5349.615,"text":"谢谢 谢谢委员 委员好刚好两位都是女性那应该更可以因为都有家庭 都有小孩所以应该都有小孩嘛 对不对好 那应该都可以将心比心可以了解我执行这个议题的感受除序大概是我们每个在教育孩子的过程当中大家有个共同的经验我想部长跟董事长应该小时候应该有养过小猪公"},{"start":5351.596,"end":5375.811,"text":"那個存硬幣大家都有這個經驗那大家你們應該知道我要問什麼前一陣子有一個議題是父母帶著小孩子把養了很多年的豬公廚序小豬公帶去換硬幣那這個事件呢民眾帶了小孩去然後讓他了解說存錢的好處我們存了一定的錢然後拿到銀行那換成銀行的這個銀行的本子"},{"start":5380.274,"end":5402.812,"text":"但是教育孩子的过程当中最后本来是美意教育的一件最后却碰上我们在银行面在面对金融服务的时候因为我们的硬体设备不能跟上我们现在时代的脚步碰到我们银行不是专责来帮你处理这些事情的"},{"start":5403.573,"end":5430.619,"text":"那當然銀行的人力有限可能那個時間點我不知道是不是排隊特別多那但是民眾包括台銀事後的回應後面還有很多的客戶那你們是基於公平才請民眾擇日再來但是我只要拿了號碼牌一般我們的認知是我只要拿了號碼牌有些我辦理的業務可能只有三分鐘有些我辦理的業務是半個鐘頭"},{"start":5432.139,"end":5453.854,"text":"我們都是得服務那當下給民眾認為是你們選擇客戶那當然你們或許在人力成本在時間上你們有不同的想法但是我覺得公股銀行是特別是台灣銀行是國家金融體系的門面也是國家金融體系的中流砥柱"},{"start":5454.894,"end":5482.681,"text":"這樣子的說法在民眾的觀感上就不對我再放一段影片大家都知道國外Coin Star已經很久很久了事實上我知道有一些金融體系早也在推動無論它是放在銀行裡面或者是放在超商裡面丟進去換成全聯的禮券也好馬上一段時間馬上這就是一部機器的問題"},{"start":5485.598,"end":5505.334,"text":"在國外無論在德國在美國我看到到處Supermarket都有有一些比較大的分行也都有我們台灣銀行是國家金融體系的中流砥柱也是我們金融體系的門面我們這個沒有也就算了但是對於民眾這樣的回應部長董事長你們覺得這及格嗎"},{"start":5512.889,"end":5517.322,"text":"謝謝委員的指教我想這個部分是不是可以請我們柴英董事長來做一個說明好嗎好"},{"start":5520.024,"end":5524.267,"text":"謝謝委員的指教我說明一下當天的狀況因為當天的客戶他是在中午用餐的時間來的不管中午早上就是你們營業的時間你們不會挑客戶因為中午用餐的時間就是同仁會輪班去用餐所以人力上就會有比較吃緊因為這個客戶他帶來的銅板的數量也比較多所以服務的時間也比較長接著後面有非常多的民眾大概等待非常久"},{"start":5546.101,"end":5572.633,"text":"所以同仁呢因為已經服務了很長的一段時間所以才會有那樣的一個反應我想我要講的就是說其實我覺得我們在硬體的改善是先要做那第二就是說我們未來如果在人力成本時間跟效率跟民眾之間如何取得更好的平衡譬如平安講譬如說我們以前公車都是投硬幣現在沒有悠遊卡之前我們投硬幣我不知道你們跟這些業者之間或跟公司之間你們可能會講我們希望你們是下班或四點報完到五點來或八點到九點來"},{"start":5575.334,"end":5594.472,"text":"你们可能有特殊的这是一个推广但是如何在人力时间效率上取得一个更好的平衡我觉得这个是要思考的第二我觉得在硬体设备这不是难的事情在国外都已经有这么久空一杀都已经这么久了"},{"start":5595.473,"end":5601.7,"text":"跟委員報告其實我們本行大概在有十個分行是有這個沒關係我覺得這個勢必部長我覺得這個整個公股銀行的部分我覺得要提一個更完整的報告我覺得這個應該要第一個加強宣導如何取得一個平衡"},{"start":5611.449,"end":5629.466,"text":"第二我們在硬體設備的部分如何改善我覺得應該有一個具體的時間出來當然我知道現在硬體的硬幣用的越來越少但還是有人有還是有一些商家有還是有一些小朋友他在存這些硬幣對不對 家長所以我覺得應該要提出一個更完整的報告什麼時候可以提出一個完整的報告"},{"start":5629.926,"end":5652.099,"text":"去解決或改善委員可以容許我先做一個簡單的說明嗎其實我們目前大概全省有十家分行是設有這個硬幣的存款機所以民眾是可以全省只有十家但是如果說像剛才委員所提的這個案例因為它的那個數量非常大如果民眾有這個需求的時候直接先跟我們打個電話我們可以特別幫他做一些服務我剛剛講台銀是我覺得部長我們公股銀行的部分我覺得這個機器"},{"start":5657.342,"end":5673.012,"text":"不是多少錢的問題也不是說在申請過程很困難有什麼關卡程序我們的營業點就有多少家在比例上以台北市來說12個行政區如果你全台灣台營就只有10家的話那就是十不及其"},{"start":5673.732,"end":5682.899,"text":"我覺得這個是不及格的部長你了解我意思嗎我住南港我可能要跑到萬華區我開了車還40分鐘我坐公車可能要50分鐘一個鐘頭抱著那麼多的錢搭的公車或捷運才可以去換到我覺得這個是不便民這不符合邏輯所以我才提出說"},{"start":5694.71,"end":5709.562,"text":"如何去取得一個平衡取得一個更好的改善計畫這是我希望得到的報告可以嗎可以 我知道委員的用意我就覺得說讓民眾如果有零錢不見得很大批有些就不喜歡帶那麼重他就讓他有一個地方可以用存款"},{"start":5710.442,"end":5733.647,"text":"我覺得這個國外都行之有年我覺得將心比心你們也做了那麼多業務考察我覺得我看到這個新聞是讓我覺得不可思議這是第一點我要問的第二點 董事長請回部長賴總統在國慶的時候提到五萬塊以下明年免稅"},{"start":5734.787,"end":5742.673,"text":"真的這麼簡單嗎我如果年所得60萬的話很多助理年輕人很多都說60萬我明年不用繳稅部長你同意這句話嗎跟委員報告總統當時有講就是說單身租屋在外租屋然後他月薪5萬元以下那事實上為什麼呢因為事實上從總統在當院長的時候就開始進行所謂的所得稅制的優化那這包含有關基本生活費部長如果照你"},{"start":5764.088,"end":5786.245,"text":"這樣子講的話單身租屋的話那就是用44.6萬來扣的話其實每年大概就3萬每個月大概3萬7左右才可以達到那個條件因為我們的扣除額就有達到我清楚其實現有的稅制無論在免稅額扣除額其實本來單身租屋本來就是免稅所以其實"},{"start":5789.148,"end":5801.356,"text":"總統的美意我覺得他的意思是說未來我們其實在稅制的部分未來有沒有更多的減稅的政策因為本來我們租屋單身租屋本來就有免稅扣除額在裡頭"},{"start":5803.757,"end":5823.062,"text":"我們有很多不同的免稅扣除所以我的意思是說未來財政部未來有沒有機會針對於現在我們薪水可能都會被通膨吃掉所以未來無論在加碼或新訂的減稅政策上我們有沒有可能有其他的工具可以使用我了解總統的美意"},{"start":5824.764,"end":5850.095,"text":"但是在外界看到這一句話簡單的一句話當然後來總統有加碼說明是單身加租屋但是無論單身或已婚租屋其實總統當然希望說能適用當然最好因為知道年輕夫妻現在打拚也不容易所以未來我們有沒有可能有更多的加碼或新訂的減稅政策符合賴總統的美意"},{"start":5851.755,"end":5879.553,"text":"你们我们再做其他的思考您刚刚也提到通风那其实我们在免税额跟扣除额里面有按照这个那个所谓CPI的调整的一个机制免税额跟标准扣除额都有这样的一个调整机制部长因为我时间很少你直接回应我那另外其他的一个项目其实目前来说比如说像长照的扣除额这个现在都已经有了现在都已经有了你的免税一般扣除额特别扣除额这个我都很清楚"},{"start":5879.873,"end":5908.792,"text":"明年會適用新的額度從12萬到18萬也會明年會適用這個我也都知道 對但是除此之外還有沒有其他新的減稅或加碼的政策現在只有45%的人是不用賺的有沒有在思考 對總統已經丟出來了但是外界就會這樣五萬塊一年如果60萬其實很多看得到吃不到因為譬如說我單身我住家人我也付不起房租"},{"start":5909.853,"end":5929.121,"text":"就沒有這個扣除額對不對部長有一些人是單身我沒有能力租房子我必須跟家裡住在一起我就沒有這個扣除額的享受所以我的意思是說有沒有更多新的加碼的政策會出來跟委員報告我們其實有302萬戶就是44%的申報戶其實是免繳稅的部長這都是你現有的"},{"start":5938.446,"end":5957.266,"text":"我的意思是說你們還有沒有在研擬去符合賴總統的政策減稅去降低年輕人的負擔賴總統很重視不要說賴總統大家都很重視我們現在年輕人負擔包括新婚夫妻也都負擔越來越重你們有沒有更多的付稅的"},{"start":5959.685,"end":5985.351,"text":"這個減稅的工具加碼的工具要去處理這一塊當然這是我們的目標那除了稅之外還有其他相關的補助其實也都在做譬如說像學費的一些減免以及育兒津貼等等都同時在做我想委員這個部分的關心我們了解那我們也會隨著經濟情勢的變化來做相關的調整謝謝委員請教經濟情勢每天都在變化今年變化最多但是我就看不到你們有更進一步的政策出來"},{"start":5985.951,"end":6006.841,"text":"所以我還是希望隨時去面對現在的狀況現在的通膨的狀況還有體感經濟的問題我覺得民生都在漲你們要有更多的工具跟手段去處理我覺得的話說經濟很好但是基層民眾感受不到好 謝謝委員的指教 謝謝好 謝謝李委員我們現在請中央嘉賓委員"},{"start":6019.495,"end":6026.886,"text":"主席在場的委員先進列席的政府職項首長官員會場工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請財政部莊部長我們請莊部長委員好"},{"start":6034.062,"end":6063.742,"text":"部長好部長我們立法院立法委員如果要主張什麼福利要增加政府的支出我們要負責的提出裁員對不對找到裁員是的當然要如果我們要讓民眾有感我們要主張減稅要有稅市評估要看稅損多少是不是這樣也是的這是一個法律的權利跟義務好我們來看一下那請問如果我們降稅就財政部長來講你是稅損還是你的稅收會最後會增加"},{"start":6064.922,"end":6092.527,"text":"这个当然会有税势支出的评估那会不会降了税率反而税收增加如果它能够有其他后续的外溢的效应你们举几个例子给我听听看比如说我们对于企业比如说研发支出或者设备投体我先告诉你两个例子那事实上它产业升级以后它的收入增加税收也会增加这个部长很健康观念很健康我们看证交税从6%降成3%结果大幅成长"},{"start":6093.866,"end":6112.552,"text":"香檳比照葡萄酒從20%降為10%本來預估會有將近4500萬的稅損結果反而逆勢成長往下看 你看對不對反而是稅率減稅了 降稅了反而我們的稅收增加了是不是那減稅是不是一定可以增加稅收"},{"start":6115.335,"end":6135.971,"text":"要有一個外部條件嘛比如你降政交稅你要景氣熱絡而且要本國的產業有優勢產業股市才會上揚我們所以會增加你降香檳要降稅降了稅之後要售價降低而且要人民手頭富裕他就會增加購買是不是這樣所以呢有條件的降稅條件適合的降稅是可以幫助政府的財政你同意嗎"},{"start":6139.422,"end":6154.794,"text":"如果說降稅我們最後能夠回饋到民眾有助於政府的財政那條件配合的情況之下是有幫助的嘛OK 好 我們來看一下來 我們講加薪減稅是要增加稅收還是要讓人民的薪資提高這個目的加薪減稅"},{"start":6157.341,"end":6168.351,"text":"加薪的话当然让民众的收入可以增加那政府的税收会提高吗减税的部分如果说可以减税的话当然民众的租税负担会减轻那政府的税收会增加吗"},{"start":6169.285,"end":6190.564,"text":"政府的稅收会增加要看其他各项的因素对我们主要目的让员工的薪水变高他如果精神好心情好生产力加强公司营业和成长政府的税收还是会增加我们来看一下可是中亚企业发展条例当年在103年制定之后结果105年106年人数反而不增反减"},{"start":6191.405,"end":6210.675,"text":"而且到後來由於說當時的修法立法要經濟景氣達一定情形的門檻說要連續6個月失業後來台灣沒有那麼高的失業率這個條文就沒有用了那麼後來我們在103年的修正把這個拿掉而且把減除率提高本來是100對130現在是100可以減除175%好 請問新制實施後成效如何"},{"start":6218.973,"end":6235.377,"text":"有沒有比以前更好因為113年7月才修正所以去年的情況如何這個要再另外做統計我要告訴你 多數的企業不太賞光 不太捧場為什麼企業獲利 老闆卻不願意幫員工加薪為什麼來 我告訴你"},{"start":6240.327,"end":6256.549,"text":"企業有獲利如果你幫員工加薪員工拿到一萬元的加薪但是老闆還要另外再付什麼勞保健保還有他勞退所以幫員工加薪的效果有很多雇主要付在政府身上但是如果你發獎金的話"},{"start":6257.49,"end":6279.877,"text":"你有選擇性跟調節性有賺錢就發沒賺錢就不發而且有選擇性哪些員工發哪些員工不發但是如果你加薪就持續而且加薪是個結構你新進員工加資深員工要不要加一定要加所以老闆通常企業不太願意加薪你可發獎金這樣了解了所以為什麼那個法律我們說要加薪可是老闆企業不太配合往下看"},{"start":6280.817,"end":6309.037,"text":"所以如果我們反過來想如果是歐板是企業幫員工他的勞退提撥把它提高你看看差別在哪裡如果你是企業有獲利你幫員工加薪他明年的人事成本就增加了或者你就改選擇發獎金但是員工拿了獎金他還是要繳什麼繳重所稅但是如果你是增加員工的提撥就是僱主本來幫他提最少要提6%如果僱主幫他多提幾%"},{"start":6311.623,"end":6332.052,"text":"如果能讓他抵稅 你覺得僱主是比較開心幫員工增加他的勞退提撥那個錢先不用付稅 它有遞延效果對不對所以部長你這樣直覺判斷如果對員工的勞退 老闆把他增加提撥你覺得可以抵稅的話 會不會比加薪有誘因"},{"start":6336.025,"end":6363.942,"text":"就是說您指的意思是說如果說他幫他增加提撥的話得以抵稅老闆的6%把他提高多一點8% 9% 10%老闆可以選嘛我今年幫你提8%明年幫你提10%那個如果獲利不好我就幫你提6%你覺得這樣有沒有也有選擇性也有調節性這個對企業來說是他的一個支出啊是的所以說是不是比較有意願比起幫員工加薪他更有意願"},{"start":6365.37,"end":6382.31,"text":"都是他的支出嘛都是可以在他的所得額裡面去扣除啊我知道啦那我這樣應該是說如果嘉興會我是說把嘉興抵稅的嘉興改成老闆把這個這個提撥視為是嘉興的話適用在法律裡面你覺得雇主是不是有比較強的意願"},{"start":6383.544,"end":6407.412,"text":"我剛剛您這樣的一個對照比較我知道了解了 往下看所以我們來看一下對員工來講你加了薪你所得稅增加老闆還要勞保健保但是如果員工給你獎金也是要有所得稅增加還要加到健保的附加費但是如果老闆幫你多提勞退你沒有應付的稅額也沒有額外的負擔對員工也好"},{"start":6408.266,"end":6415.963,"text":"所以這個勞退提撥 雇主幫員工多勞退提撥對企業 對員工都是好的所以我們來問一個問題 來"},{"start":6417.952,"end":6445.507,"text":"那麼請問抵稅權 目前的加薪抵稅它的抵稅權可以遞延或有償讓渡嗎譬如說我今天幫員工加薪 我要抵稅那你只能適用當年度其實當年度我加了薪之後我的盈餘減少 應付稅減少老闆沒意願但是如果說企業在選擇說我在其他年度我來抵或者說給別的企業來讓渡你覺得遞延跟讓渡這個事情可以接受嗎因為我們現在想修法想聽聽看財政部的意見"},{"start":6447.284,"end":6462.736,"text":"底稅權 嘉興的底稅權可不可以遞延給企業試用還是它可以有長浪度有沒有理解了我知道 是你覺得可不可以評估一下我們目前的嘉興底稅是沒有遞延的"},{"start":6463.823,"end":6488.761,"text":"也不能讓渡可是我企業我的經營同一個時期每個企業的經營榮枯不同我的企業的經營我的時節我的淡忘不同所以如果加薪抵稅讓我可以在企業遞顏適用或者說我跟其他的企業我可以做一些讓渡我們可以調節那麼我就不會那麼care說我今年需要抵稅我才去幫員工加薪了解嗎有沒有辦法去評估一下"},{"start":6491.52,"end":6515.807,"text":"我想這個部分因為跟目前的法制並不相同對 所以我才說我要修法我要問財政部你的意見我想這個部分對您這樣的一個建議我們是不是讓容我們再研議一下可以 你同意 好好往下看所以說加薪減稅的抵稅權能不能遞研 你們研究能不能有償讓度 你們去研究假設可以有償讓度覺得抵什麼稅對企業主他最有誘因企業主最想抵什麼稅"},{"start":6520.834,"end":6541.16,"text":"有沒有這邊當老闆的這邊都是供股行庫的都不是自己當老闆雖然是董事長我問你中小企業大概它如果有一定的規模就算未上市它最想抵的是什麼 遺證稅你去看那些受險公司推出的遺產稅的保單有沒有聽過 部長有沒有聽過對不對 但是財政部你一定收到遺產稅嗎通常人家說財政部收到的遺產稅是意外之財"},{"start":6550.051,"end":6569.469,"text":"有些企業家意外不按照時間離開財政部才有機會部長你同意嗎部長因為遺產稅是機會稅是上帝決定的我們現在看所以如果說鼓勵勞工勞退自體增加1%以上"},{"start":6571.092,"end":6582.58,"text":"不要企業做 政府就來做因為僱主強制提撥至少6%勞工是自願0到6你知道嗎目前勞工自提的 勞退自提的占全部勞工的幾%你知道嗎只有16%"},{"start":6586.798,"end":6608.321,"text":"還有84%的勞工他的自提他是提零為什麼因為勞工覺得我薪水不夠我幹嘛再自提可是這樣不對啊你現在沒有自提你退休很慘啊不是很慘啊你退休炒個保障啊可是他又不想要多挪現在如果基本工資3萬塊如果政府說我送你300塊送你1%你一定要再自提多1%"},{"start":6609.782,"end":6616.249,"text":"不管你要不要自提你只要自提的增加1%以上我就政府定額送你1%你覺得這樣會不會鼓勵一些資淺的低薪的勞工他願意也存個300塊有沒有可能"},{"start":6627.31,"end":6648.998,"text":"所以我說我們不要政府只要企業主幫員工加薪或自提或勞退我們政府要首先做我們告訴僱主說如果你幫員工提他的勞退我讓你抵稅我不是只有說說而已我政府也以身作則我先編列預算每年編個300億全國900多萬勞工"},{"start":6652.139,"end":6657.861,"text":"他就可以有這個1%的政府的獎勵政府有沒有做過這種事情有沒有沒有嗎 我告訴你有來往下看 農民退休儲金就是我們農民退休儲金是怎樣農民在基本工資自提1%到10%政府是對等耶 對等耶"},{"start":6675.112,"end":6700.5,"text":"當年您在財政部這個法律通過的時候是行政院全力支持的小英總統要求的陳吉仲部長那時候在推動的要多少錢你知道嗎一年要多少錢嗎一年要40幾億對等提撥現在農民不到50萬參加勞工有900萬可能數額多一點大概要300億願不願意幫我們找裁員"},{"start":6703.568,"end":6731.198,"text":"勞退自提參照農民退休處金政府來提供獎勵要不要找個裁員好不好裁員對另外找承諾去找好訴求兩個主席站起來了請評估雇主替員工提繳勞退超過6%之部位適用加薪減稅的可能性包括我說的遞延性跟讓渡遞延跟讓渡一個月內提出書面報告可以嗎"},{"start":6733.735,"end":6749.589,"text":"我們是不是時間給我們有三個月的時間可以嗎明年才能試用三個月三個月我們再提出數另外呢加薪抵稅的抵稅前陳帝岩或有償讓度的可欣一併提出來這個是不是可以早一點一個月就可以了"},{"start":6750.861,"end":6763.89,"text":"給我們兩個月好嗎好 三個月 兩個月 您好 我都聽你的好 謝謝那就這樣子 那就拜託部長承諾那也謝謝部長我們做評估 是 謝謝也謝謝主席謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝宗嘉斌委員接下來我們請顏寬恆委員主席 各位理事官員大家早主席有請財政部莊部長好 我們請莊部長"},{"start":6782.734,"end":6808.426,"text":"閻委員好部長早部長美國總統宣布對中國商品全面加徵100%的關稅中國隨意立即反擊對稀土實施出口管制全球市場陷入恐慌星期一台股一開盤就暴跌800點請問部長國安基金是在星期一的時候有沒有進場護盤"},{"start":6810.657,"end":6824.674,"text":"我想国安基金是授权由我们执行秘书来做操盘我想他会观察股市的一个变动情形来决定是否要进场去买或是怎样我想这个部分由他来做主则我并没有去过问这个"},{"start":6825.554,"end":6850.374,"text":"從4月9號到9月底這個國安基金的部分累積動用122.4億資金那帳面上為實現利益約36.5億投報近30%請問部長國安基金是否已經有具體的退場計畫那後續國安基金制定退場策略的時候是否有設定一個具體的市場指標或者風險值"},{"start":6853.443,"end":6876.482,"text":"國安基金的進場或退場都必須經過國安基金的委員會來討論跟決議那我們從4月8號決議要進場在4月9號就執行安定台股的一個任務那在上個星期也在召開有關國安基金的例行性的委員會那目前來說並沒有決議要退場目前還沒有"},{"start":6877.102,"end":6882.221,"text":"因為還有一些不確定的因素存在我們現在穩定股市是一個非常重要的事"},{"start":6883.496,"end":6911.813,"text":"因為國安基金的一個策略調整對於台灣股市的長期發展是具非常關鍵的影響特別是在中美貿易爭端以及多重的影響之下國安基金的操作能不能夠進一步的調整這對所有投資人的信心還有市場預期是非常的重要所以說希望財政部在這方面的一個風險控制控管一定要謹慎的運用好不好"},{"start":6912.882,"end":6925.568,"text":"謝謝委員的指教再請教部長財政部在9月10號訂定了個人經常性與網路發表創作或分享資訊課徵營業稅作業規範就是所謂的網紅稅明確地訂出了境內網紅符合在我國設有實體"},{"start":6936.152,"end":6948.056,"text":"固定營業場所具備營業排號或僱用人員協助處理銷售事宜或透過網路銷售其當月銷售額達營業稅起徵點5萬元等條件之一"},{"start":6952.777,"end":6973.115,"text":"就必須辦理稅籍登記那這個規範很新啦那很多Youtuber 網紅 直播主他們可能是因為很會玩遊戲很會化妝 很會穿搭那所以他們收到很多觀眾的這個關注那也得到了很多的Donate但是他就是自己一個人"},{"start":6973.895,"end":6989.001,"text":"他可能就自己一個人或者是一個助手幫他攝影那他也沒有工作室也沒有經紀公司那說不定他根本就不知道這樣的規範那這部分財政部要怎麼落實那對於有疑問的這些網紅或直播主你們有沒有要專門"},{"start":6990.781,"end":7015.147,"text":"設一個管道可以讓一個專門的管道可以讓他們來諮詢或者是一個在線工具這個部分讓這些網紅能夠自行檢查自己是否符合稅務申報的條件並且讓能夠得到及時的答案跟建議避免後續發生的這樣子一些漏報或者是沒有報稅的部分而受罰可不可以"},{"start":7016.539,"end":7036.764,"text":"謝謝委員的提示那對於網紅的一個稅制因為是一個形態上的一個很新的那為了維護租稅的公平那所以我們就訂了相關的一個課稅的一些規定那這些規定當然要讓民眾們了解以免發生後來的所謂的一個租稅爭議那這樣相關的宣導以及這部分我是不是可以請署長來做補充說明謝謝"},{"start":7039.022,"end":7063.317,"text":"跟委員報告我們已經在9月10號就發布日期到明年的6月30號為止我們定為免罰的輔導期我們現在請各地區國會局去蒐集資料來發掘可能符合條件的網紅我們會針對他們來告訴他們相關的法律規定也會透過平台業者因為網紅大部分都是透過平台"},{"start":7063.797,"end":7067.304,"text":"去做表演也會透過平台樂者的一些輔導去讓他們知道一些相關規定"},{"start":7070.66,"end":7096.148,"text":"好的 謝謝再請教部長是總統9月21號在苗栗中港慈玉宮參香然後拜拜在那邊的時候進行宣講同時宣布說月薪五萬塊以下免繳稅大概有四成到五成的民眾不用繳交個人的中所稅結果財政部馬上就跳出來否認說沒這回事因為"},{"start":7097.929,"end":7113.505,"text":"月薪五萬免繳稅的部分其實是在是年收入在六十二萬六千元以下但是要符合兩個條件一個是租屋自住還有單身青年這兩個條件所以並不是所有月薪五萬元以下勞工都免稅是不是這樣 部長"},{"start":7114.548,"end":7138.301,"text":"我覺得我們是進一步做一個比較詳細的一個說明那為什麼會這樣說我們因為把第一個解析開來第一個就是因為我們目前的一個人的免稅額是九萬七那標準扣除額有十三萬一千然後薪資特別扣除額是二十一萬八千還有租屋族我們對於租屋族的租金特別扣除額是特別扣除額過往是在標準扣除額裡面"},{"start":7138.781,"end":7143.924,"text":"那現在是把它拉出來成為特別扣除那有18萬所以這樣加起來就有62萬6千元所以這個是基本的可扣除的一些項目所以這樣講的話我們只是把它講得更詳細一點所以並沒有說有總統講的並沒有任何不是 我是說像這樣子的說法"},{"start":7159.815,"end":7182.535,"text":"會誤導了很多的民眾我剛剛說到了就是說四成到五成的民眾以為自己是免繳稅五萬以下這些勞工都可以不用再繳中所稅但是結果事實不是這樣所以這樣子的一個說法讓確實是很多人以為說他等到一個好消息但是不是這樣 事情不是這樣所以這個就是會誤導民眾"},{"start":7186.365,"end":7211.259,"text":"沒想到說 誤導民眾竟然是總統啊竟然是總統 所以說這樣子對於民眾 對於政府的信任是一個很極大的一個傷害因為我聽到說五萬個議員不用稅一年六十二萬六十二萬六千元以下免稅當然我很高興啊我絕大多數四十多趴的勞工朋友都是這樣子的嘛但事實上不是嘛所以說 我說這種沒有經過核實的言論"},{"start":7212.279,"end":7230.706,"text":"那由總統的嘴巴裡面說出來我們部會還要花時間來出來澄清這個犧牲掉很多這個就是要犧牲我們部會的公信力政府的誠信都應該要建立在準確清晰的一個政策解釋跟溝通之上所以我是說像總統這樣子的"},{"start":7233.039,"end":7241.765,"text":"發言實質上是在消耗民眾對於政府的一個信任而且對於政府整體的形象也會造成無可挽回的損害"},{"start":7243.159,"end":7268.093,"text":"跟委員說明其實我們目前來說確實申報戶裡面有44%是免繳稅的這也是一個事實總統現在院長時候就力推有關所得稅制的優化監視已經民眾的租稅負擔都一直在推動就請部長未來在對總統說明稅制法制的跟這些政策的時候要清楚更詳細謝謝委員指教"},{"start":7272.492,"end":7278.499,"text":"我們謝謝顏寬恒委員接下來我們請林思明 張偉好 謝謝張偉我們請財政部 請部長我們請莊部長"},{"start":7293.208,"end":7322.166,"text":"委員好 部長早部長這個就財化法的修法那個主院長在10月14號提出說依循垂直事權能夠劃分水平財源能夠均衡兩個方向將由副院長鄭麗君和地方討論並表示今年會提出一個版本來所以請問部長財政部是不是在這個會期結束前一定會提出財化法的修法版本"},{"start":7323.757,"end":7328.142,"text":"跟委員報告那天院長在總資訊室有提到在今年底前會有院版那我們下個禮拜二會再邀請地方政府再來開會因為我們之前已經開過三次那現在會在記者共識上繼續往前推進所以一定會在今年這個會期會提出來嗎"},{"start":7343.059,"end":7357.844,"text":"今年底前9月13號院長邀請了22縣市的首長來那也都聽取了他們的意見今年底的話當然可能就是會趕上這個會期我們一直不斷的都在討論謝謝委員指教是 這個部長因為8月30號行政院表示說就是有345億這個345億的統籌分配稅款無法完成分配"},{"start":7371.437,"end":7386.954,"text":"所以原因講說是因為無法逾越現有母法內的公式所以我要請問部長在這一次的修法版本你們要提出的行政院的版本是否也會將這一個部分提出完整的一個做法會把它提出來"},{"start":7387.994,"end":7406.327,"text":"跟委員報告這345億沒有辦法分出去委員知道應該16條之一那個分母的部分有問題所以我們這個部分因為依法行政這個部分就沒有辦法分出去345億那這個部分我知道大院的委員也有要做提案去修正這個分母的部分"},{"start":7406.867,"end":7432.75,"text":"那行政院未來我們要提出的版本會是一個完整的版本並不會是針對這個問題一定會就這個部分會提出一個我們會在整體的分配的部分會做不是就這個公式這個也不會是我們未來的公式我提出一個建議其實說這個345億的解決方法只要進行二次分配就可以了"},{"start":7434.011,"end":7459.125,"text":"也就是說把這345億元依照現行的修法的公式進行二次的分配計算就可以把這些345億就可以再次算出各縣市的分配的數字請問部長為什麼不做就是說二次的分配把這些剩餘款依照原有的我們修法的公式去做並不可行"},{"start":7461.437,"end":7486.333,"text":"我跟委員報告我們在算的時候一定依照一個法律而且現在這一次的財化法把原來有授權財政部訂定分配辦法的那個法條依據都把它刪掉了換言之財政部只能依照這個法條來做並沒有自行決定說我再怎麼樣的調整分配這表示是說不願意讓財政部去做這方面的事我肯定妳說按照法條來做"},{"start":7487.654,"end":7508.384,"text":"其實這樣做二次分配或者是三次的分配這樣也是依照原來母法的公式去計算所以這並沒有逾越母法的問題我是建議你就是說在未來做這個如果財政部要提出修法的版本我這個建議你是不是可以納入參考的依據"},{"start":7510.95,"end":7531.344,"text":"政府所提的版本會跟這個公司不會不盡相同不會相同的因為我們會就整體面的去做考量我給你一個建議似乎並沒有那麼難所以你們可以去多方面做一個考量不要這個自私一分了解另外這個部長"},{"start":7532.865,"end":7558.738,"text":"財政部在本週二公布了今年一到九月的稅收累計時增兩兆八千七百一十億佔累計分配預算數的百分之九十三佔前年預算數的百分之七十五點五但是比去年同期卻少了三百六十五億年減百分之二點五實現一個衰退的現象"},{"start":7560.279,"end":7587.268,"text":"但是我們看到台股在今年9月的表現逆勢成長 頻頻創新高9月正交稅的收入就高達312億年增52.6%創下歷年來台股在9月最亮麗的表現同時也是單月第三高更是16年來的最大增幅保持連二紅的一個狀態讓我們衰退的情況趨緩"},{"start":7589.469,"end":7607.3,"text":"所以部長 9月份的股市表現這麼亮眼那證交稅 印花稅 盈利事業 房地合一稅以及整體的這個稅收多個項目也都創下單月的新高但是我們比去年的同期總稅收卻減少了365億那請問這個具體的原因是什麼為什麼會這個總稅收會減少"},{"start":7616.045,"end":7641.382,"text":"跟委員報告您剛剛有365億是中央的部分跟去年同期相比差365億那剛剛您提到印花稅或者娛樂稅或房屋稅都增加那是屬於地方稅不在我們這個統計裡面另外房地合一所得稅是要進到長照基金跟住宅基金也沒有在這個稅收的統計裡面那另外您剛剛也提到的股市的證交稅9月確實日均量達到6006億"},{"start":7643.303,"end":7662.988,"text":"那所以呢九月份這單一月份的證交稅比去年的同期的九月份的證交稅是增加107億但是我們累計一到九月的股市的日均量是4451億比去年同期的4943億是少的所以一到九月份的證交稅呢"},{"start":7664.088,"end":7673.77,"text":"事實上比去年同期是減少了223億跟委員報告這是最主要的部分證交稅是減少的股市表現那麼亮麗證交稅減少沒有 那是單一8月份非常好但是您知道整個平均下來是對 1到9月下來是差了差500億平均數差500億未來我們看10月到12月如果股市能夠更往上走也許可以把這個缺口補上"},{"start":7689.566,"end":7713.142,"text":"另外一个减少的原因是营锁税的部分营锁税的部分是减少比去年同期减少481亿这个部分有部分原因是因为站脚税款还没有入账要到10月会入账还有一个就是因为对等关税因为受冲击的产业他们申请延期跟分期就会递延入账另外货物税也减少了比去年同期减少123亿"},{"start":7714.423,"end":7727.27,"text":"那最主要是小客車的部分貨物稅減少的比較多那因為前面的稅制大家有些觀望的態度所以我們按照目前的這樣的一個稅收的表現是所以是否代表今年我們可能會短徵"},{"start":7728.58,"end":7756.554,"text":"今年要达成因为今年的预算数跟委员报告114年我们税客收入的预算数比去年113年10增数10增数就增加了947亿但是我们到9月底为止的10增数却比去年减少所以这个部分要达成114年的预算数很具有挑战性我们再看后面的税收情况再来就跟委员报告"},{"start":7757.114,"end":7771.29,"text":"是 部長最後一個問題請問就是我們在114年9月1日起新清安貸款的撥款案件將不計入銀行法72條之2的限額嘛主要就是為了紓解銀行房貸量能的一個緊竅"},{"start":7773.483,"end":7788.453,"text":"財政部在9月5號有對外公布統計到114年的8月22號所有公股銀行的受理清清安貸款以合貸上貸撥款的額度的件數共計12,923件金額高達1,257億餘元原預估撥貸的時間大概要0.5個月至4個月"},{"start":7800.06,"end":7809.824,"text":"所以請問部長各公股銀行在新清安貸款放貸鬆綁後目前最新的上貸撥款還有多少件貸撥款金額還有多少"},{"start":7815.2,"end":7826.605,"text":"9月1號以後把那個銀行法那個規定天花板拿清清安不受那個限制以後那到今年為止還有要分別降到了5200件跟566億那大概時間要也就是說分別減少了60%跟55%件數減少60%那等待的時間也縮短了大概在兩個月以內可以做合撥是"},{"start":7841.591,"end":7864.209,"text":"所以各大公股銀行的這個帶波件數以及帶波金額都已經明顯的減少了明顯減少那也協助一些沒有自有房屋的是不是請各大公股銀行可以把現在到目前為止我們帶波的件數以及帶波的金額可以匯後以素面提供給我們本委員會沒有問題 謝謝委員我們就提供 謝謝好 部長"},{"start":7868.888,"end":7871.189,"text":"部長請回 請101董事長我們請賈董事長好 剩下幾秒而已董事長"},{"start":7883.311,"end":7912.771,"text":"简单就叫你我想我也好是 你就任迄今也超过一年了那么记得你在刚上任的时候可能因为明星的官房社会各界对你有所期待许多媒体也聚焦在你身上而当初董事长你全家读你当101董事长撑不到半年但是现在已经撑了一年多了我们看到整个观景台语商场的人潮确实也看到一些成长"},{"start":7913.511,"end":7922.677,"text":"所以請問董事長這一年多來你應該也從申書到現在完全上手那這一年你為101增加了多少的營收"},{"start":7924.783,"end":7933.71,"text":"這一年增加多少營收嗎我應該說我們是正向的成長成長幾%你知道嗎10%以內10%以內但是正向成長的那實際的數字是大概多少"},{"start":7946.44,"end":7964.557,"text":"因為實際的數字我們今年的這個還沒有真正的到了這個結尾的部分所以說可能要等年底的時候那我們的財報跟我們的這個整個數字都會公告所以到時候委員您可以知道的那個董事長我想我給你一個取喜"},{"start":7965.658,"end":7982.325,"text":"我們希望你在第二年這就是進入第二年之後你會交出一張非常亮麗的成績單你自己覺得說未來你還有哪些項目可以做改善或者再更提升你的一個經營的效率"},{"start":7983.261,"end":7989.042,"text":"首先非常感謝委員你好像給我一個可以宣傳的機會我覺得我的目標基本上我個人在101如果很幸運的話可以完成我的任期三年的話我想我的個人的KPI就是我會增加101的營收另外一方面我也希望101再增加我們回饋社會我們在公益捐款的部分而且是實際捐款的數字"},{"start":8012.746,"end":8023.074,"text":"這個部分我相信我要把這兩個數字都是正向拉高的部分另外就是如果要講到一個比較再創新一點的活動的話大家可以期待我們明年會跟Netflix有一個全球的直播"},{"start":8032.08,"end":8046.073,"text":"Netflix的全球直播呢基本上就是讓我們台灣讓我們台北101呢可以展現在全球觀眾的面前那我想這是一個非常大的案子也請大家期待那當然還有我們的跨年煙火"},{"start":8047.694,"end":8066.966,"text":"是 現在董事長 我想就是希望你能夠讓101的經營整個營收體質能夠更加的完善進步好 我努力加油謝謝 我繼續打臉我的家人好 謝謝謝謝林思明 趙偉趙偉 拜託"},{"start":8085.919,"end":8095.106,"text":"好 接下來我們請林楚英委員林楚英委員林楚英委員不在接下來請李坤臣召委發言好 謝謝主席我們請莊部長請莊部長"},{"start":8102.372,"end":8118.998,"text":"委員好部長好 因為大家都很關心今年的稅收到底能不能達到我們當初的預算數在10月中旬的時候你們有公布全國的稅收累計1到9月 前9月的稅收是2兆8710億"},{"start":8121.019,"end":8129.983,"text":"然後叫去年同期減少了743億銀索稅減少最多426億證交稅減少223億土增稅減少161億實際上除了我剛才念的銀索稅貨物稅 證交稅 土增稅之外我們除了證索稅有增加375億之外其實我們所有的稅收都減少 是不是"},{"start":8150.652,"end":8170.751,"text":"中手稅是增加的對 除了中手稅增加之外我們有一張表上面有顯示出來除了中手稅之外我們所有其他的稅收都減少 是不是對為什麼會有這種情況但是地方的房屋稅是增加的還有印花稅也是增加的沒有 那我現在是討論這個減少的部分"},{"start":8172.332,"end":8177.155,"text":"像貨物稅 證交稅 土生稅銀索稅減少更多那銀索稅你剛有提到說我們有一些顏分期付款的一些效應在對 跟委員報告銀索稅的部分因為9月份的佔繳稅款有部分還沒有入帳可能會10月才會入帳要到10月才統計的出來還有剛剛您委員所說的就是顏分期繳納的部分會遞顏入帳那另外證交稅的部分跟委員很清楚就1到9月份的日均量是4451億"},{"start":8201.432,"end":8229.177,"text":"和去年同期的是4943億就差了500億所以1到9月份的部分證交稅是減收可是9月份單一這個月份因為它的日均量是達到6006億所以比去年9月份有增加107億所以我們會觀察後面10月到12月股市的一個成交量我請教一下部長今年度我們的預算我們的稅落是變多少"},{"start":8230.862,"end":8235.608,"text":"今年度我們中央的部分是編2兆7,845億在中央全國的預算數是3兆8,019億按照目前的稅收的達成率來講大概是只有75%左右"},{"start":8249.178,"end":8269.486,"text":"不論是全國或是說這個中央的部分對 以全年來說達成率是大概只有75%那剩下最後只剩下三個月那大家也都很關心那我們今年的稅收有辦法達成我們的預算數嗎那會不會有短超的現象發生 結果發生"},{"start":8271.377,"end":8298.379,"text":"那跟委員報告就是說我們114年的預算數以中央來說就比去年的時增數增加了947億比時增數但是到9月為止的時增數剛剛委員很清楚比去年同期是來的減少的所以今年要達成預算目標是具有挑戰性的那我們在看10月份站腳稅款入帳以後我剛才聽部長講就是有挑戰性所以有可能會發生"},{"start":8299.58,"end":8322.078,"text":"短收的现象就对了可能没有办法就是对有可能对对对没有办法达到100%这样子那有哪一些税收如果增加的话那有可能至少可以达到预算数因为听起来这样子是不是很乐观那除了期待这个正交税之外"},{"start":8324.468,"end":8339.69,"text":"在證交稅之外當然我們希望而且現在關稅也還沒有確定所以如果關稅確定之後我們也不知道股市的發展情況是怎麼樣當然有可能正向但是也有可能會波動所以證交稅我覺得剩下三個月其實"},{"start":8341.211,"end":8358.46,"text":"也不知道它的發展情況怎麼樣因為證交稅整體來說那財政部還有什麼可以努力的地方嗎可以達到我們稅收達到當時編出來的運算數不至於短收因為我們上次短收是在COVID-19的時候"},{"start":8359.66,"end":8388.008,"text":"對 109年的時候事實上是短收對 然後這幾年來其實大家都很努力所以我們稅收都有增加所以才有這個稅季剩餘增加我們也才有發這個1萬塊對不對是的那如果現在按照目前發展情況來講似乎不是很樂觀今年如果要達到預算書有挑戰形式還是跟我們說所以我問部長說那有哪一些地方財政部還可以再努力的"},{"start":8389.05,"end":8405.716,"text":"財政部當然向來對於稅收的課徵都非常努力我們的稅務同仁都很努力當然第一個股市要看後續的一些變化中所稅是增加的最主要是新之所的增加跟營運分配增加但是我們講貨物稅"},{"start":8407.577,"end":8436.875,"text":"然後還有關稅也減少營業稅也減少其實剛才那張表來看除了政府稅有增加之外其他的稅都減少那怎麼辦我們當然我知道說我們的財政部的官員都很努力但這不是努力就可以達成這個目標就算每天工作12個小時也不一定可以達到稅收增加所以我在問部長說那有什麼可以努力的地方嗎"},{"start":8438.102,"end":8460.9,"text":"我想这个部分货物税的部分因为前面几个月是因为小客车是短收的那现在目前来说货物税对小客车的一个税务的调整已经算是经过大院通过那大家就比较确定所以9月份来说比去年同期只减少了1亿那我们看看后面看看能不能再有增加税收的可能性"},{"start":8461.56,"end":8466.682,"text":"妳講貨物稅其實這一個汽車公會的全聯會其實他有提到因為他們本身就是業者他說我們通過的貨物稅對他們來講貨物稅減增目前為止沒有帶動太大的成效因為關稅都還沒有確定對不對"},{"start":8483.736,"end":8495.951,"text":"是的那我請教一下部長有關於汽車關稅的部分這個汽車公會學年會他們是說他們有去跟曾立軍副院長有談過他說未來零關稅"},{"start":8501.838,"end":8525.557,"text":"僅對美規車有利其他國家進口車輛會維持到17.5%不過也尚未定案然後未來因為現在我們是把汽車整車零組件跟半導體晶片一併納入談判但是未來也不排除美規車有機會享有零關稅我想請教一下部長有關於關稅的部分"},{"start":8528.861,"end":8531.814,"text":"是不是美規車進來未來有可能是零關稅"},{"start":8533.615,"end":8538.017,"text":"部分因為台美關稅談判持續在進行當中那未來是稅率會多少就美國車進來是多少那還在談判過程當中那現行的是17.5那只能說我們只能說這個談判只針對美國進口的汽車那其他國家進口車子應該是維持17.5%那除非我們雙邊再來談所謂的貿易協定大概是這樣子"},{"start":8559.967,"end":8586.655,"text":"所以現在按照部長的說法就是說除了從美國進口的車 美規車進來關稅會調降但是調降幅度多少還不知道是不是調降以及調降的幅度我想都是在談判過程當中我們的談判團隊會提出的這個部分我並沒有但是美方有要求一定要調降對不對這個部分我想那個談判團隊會更清楚甚至是有談到說關稅會降到零"},{"start":8589.505,"end":8612.143,"text":"這個部分我也不是那麼清楚不確定這個跟你有關係你怎麼會不清楚這個是在談判團隊在談判過程當中的事項但是你們一定有提供相關的資料給我們談判團隊對不對當然我們會把歷年來的一個進口量或者是價值都要做基礎的資料提供是作為他們在研判上的一個基本的背景資料"},{"start":8613.063,"end":8638.122,"text":"所以剛才部長有講說其他的進口車其他國家進口車一樣會維持目前的關稅17.5%就對了不會受到影響因為這是我們台美之間的雙邊的談判再請教一下因為現在在台北港這個車子大概有大概3萬多輛左右現在也因為說關稅"},{"start":8640.583,"end":8658.489,"text":"甚至連貨物稅都還沒辦法確定那是不是在這種情況之下這個車子一樣會繼續放在那邊就對了貨物稅的部分已經經過大院修正的貨物稅條例已經確定那至於台北關那邊到底有多少數量是不是請我們關務署署長來做一個說明署長"},{"start":8660.68,"end":8680.39,"text":"包委員 在台北港那邊有1萬6千多輛現在是1萬6千多輛對有減少是不是有 有減少現在目前大概台北港跟台中港兩個加起來大概是1萬9千輛左右那所以總共加起來的在那個港口車輛有多少台北港跟台中港加起來"},{"start":8680.99,"end":8702.988,"text":"一萬九千多輛那所以有一萬多輛已經有出去了對 這一兩個月有減少的一個幅度那減少的最主要的原因是什麼就是如果說課稅區有這個需求的話廠商自然會從保稅區裡面把這個車輛送到課稅區裡面可是現在關稅都還沒有確定啊"},{"start":8704.902,"end":8731.724,"text":"是 廠商如果說國內有購買汽車他還是會從保稅區裡面把車輛車輛從保稅區還稅之後送到課稅區那您預期是不是關稅確定之後不管是多少目前趨勢應該是往下降因為你跟美國談不可能說不跟你還是維持在17.5%一定會往下降那如果關稅確定之後這個現象是不是就會得到緩解"},{"start":8732.775,"end":8754.048,"text":"跟委員報告台美協議當然要送到立法院來委員這邊通過另外還要修海關進口稅則這都需要一段時間所以也不是說關稅確定之後的確不是說跟美方談了之後公佈了馬上就調降我們還是要走立法的程序"},{"start":8754.728,"end":8762.093,"text":"那大概我們如果說確定譬如說下個月關稅就確定了 零關稅的話那大概多久我們能夠確定"},{"start":8764.454,"end":8783.809,"text":"跟委員報告談成的協議還要送立法院通過立法院通過了台美雙方的協議還要修海關進口稅則這都可能會有至少因為對於車商來講關稅不確定性的影響幅度會比說到底確定是多少影響是更大是好 謝謝"},{"start":8796.509,"end":8816.658,"text":"接下來我們請王世健委員謝謝主席我請財政部莊部長我們請莊部長"},{"start":8823.072,"end":8845.31,"text":"委員好總部長早安這個我先前好幾次質詢在跟您提到就是說你有一項很重要的工作就是這九大公營行庫的管理那麼九大公營行庫的董事長總經理都是由你下去派的"},{"start":8846.229,"end":8868.252,"text":"那麼九大公營航庫的董事長總經理的派任你不但要對他們的人品能力非常了解而且應該適時的對他們的成績要做出一些管考這才是正確的那如果成績一吃"},{"start":8869.383,"end":8892.931,"text":"沒起色 起不來那麼是不是要考慮換人很清楚我們預算中心有將銀行這幾點最重要的就是關於資產報酬率還有權益報酬率ROA ROE那麼做了一個比較結果比較"},{"start":8894.775,"end":8914.415,"text":"我們所有銀行37家銀行的ROA ROE之下竟然我們公營行庫在資產報酬率跟權益報酬率這部分竟然低於全國的平均數那麼"},{"start":8918.348,"end":8935.326,"text":"全國在113年銀行平均的ROA是0.76ROE是10.55結果在ROA只有一家只有一家兆豐是"},{"start":8936.485,"end":8952.038,"text":"在平均值之上ROE當然有多了幾家義營、華營、中小企營也在平均值上但是其他的公營、航庫卻低於平均的這個ROA、ROE"},{"start":8954.674,"end":8976.033,"text":"而讓我不解的是公營行庫在資本額在總存款額在資產額都是遠高於民營行庫結果這麼龐大這麼優勢尤其公營行庫設立都在早年"},{"start":8977.284,"end":9000.697,"text":"有的你像台銀 義銀 華銀 張銀那從日本時代開始他們早年在全國各地就有設銀行了所以他們的各分行在各縣市取得都是最好的地點最好的營業地點結果你表現出來的權益報酬率"},{"start":9003.597,"end":9011.344,"text":"這個竟然還輸給民營銀行這我想不懂啦所以 你看法呢"},{"start":9012.523,"end":9019.649,"text":"你覺得這個有什麼方式去刺激他們你認為 認不認為這是這些董事長總經理的事任的問題是 跟委員報告我們宮古武漢庫的董事長總經理其實我們都有定期的一些考核定期上都會做考核那績效也是其中的一個項目那也會請他們要針對於所謂的獲利的部分能夠更有"},{"start":9038.504,"end":9063.196,"text":"更有一些作為譬如說最近所推動的高資產財富的管理還有那個金控的雙引擎跟銀行的雙翅膀這個策略都有一些成效但我們也不可諱言的在公股航空庫裡面他也擔負了有關相關的政策任務的一些配合部長 你說他們也擔任了有關的政府就是他們配合政府的政策就對了好 那我就舉例"},{"start":9066.718,"end":9079.963,"text":"他們有一些莫名其妙的詐貸案 貿貸案金額都那麼大 有了上百億貿貸案還有 詐貸案還有那種有史以來最高的詐貸金額這個472億之多這個叫做配合政府政策嗎我講的這個潤銀潤銀這個就是詐貸案用假發票詐貸"},{"start":9097.841,"end":9099.281,"text":"結果損失的工銀行戶華銀 土銀 義銀 和庫 兆豐 台灣企銀這六甲都是工銀行戶不打緊華銀 義銀還是模範銀行耶 天啊結果搞成這個樣子"},{"start":9128.476,"end":9155.244,"text":"核庫的問題先前核庫有一位董事長廖燦昌他還涉入我們國家重要的獵雷艦這個炸彈案獵雷艦本來是我們國家最需要的國防很重要用途的一艘艦"},{"start":9156.673,"end":9180.8,"text":"那你知道嗎 碰到慶富造船那這個是炸彈結果帶頭的主辦銀行就是核庫好啦這廖燦章搞了這個鬼以後下台被檢察官被法院司法調查調查沒多久欸財政部又把他派任了一個更大的銀行派第一金空給他當董事長所以啊"},{"start":9185.575,"end":9189.076,"text":"他又去搞了一個 清復搞完 搞亂贏所以用人如此不當然後這個我又查了一下廖三昌在他和庫鎮內除了這個那個炸彈那個列雷艦之外他當時還計畫"},{"start":9216.213,"end":9241.922,"text":"貸款給泰設智善園這個案子這個案子現在也爆發了總貸款金額87億多現在呆帳56億 呆帳56億好啦 專搞這些飛機他走了 他何苦走被調查那何苦底下的人就不敢放了不敢放了 同樣這一批人"},{"start":9243.972,"end":9270.62,"text":"連同他們的副總謝娟娟就報了土地銀行去就原原本本把泰設治善園這個案子搬到土地銀行去結果土地銀行變主辦銀行然後又去放了那些錢所以部長這些當然還要繼續法辦中我希望不只我追蹤司法單位去查我希望你也追蹤那以這一些來講"},{"start":9272.182,"end":9296.598,"text":"你看這些你如果把他們的董事長總經理這些背景交互交互去了解的話一下子都是在銀行街上班都在重慶南路都從這個總行總經理調到那個總行當董事長從那個總行董事長調到某個銀行又去當董事長他們成天上班就在那個地方那不是不好但是"},{"start":9299.823,"end":9320.8,"text":"宮古行庫掌握了我們國內這麼重大的我們可以說我們人民絕大多數辛苦賺來的辛苦錢大概都是在中古行庫裡面那麼龐大啊台銀就六點多兆其他各銀行各行庫都三四兆以上啦這麼龐大的金額在他們手上結果他們這麼輕忽"},{"start":9328.098,"end":9356.934,"text":"甚至私下有勾結所以對於公營行庫董事長總經理他們的品德操守還有能力品德操守要在能力之上為什麼 你好的制度的話銀行裡面監督的機制很好的時候那麼品德一定要第一能力大家共同一起努力的能力效果會呈現嘛"},{"start":9358.405,"end":9380.834,"text":"所以我希望你例行性的能夠去查一查好不好我覺得委員的指教很適對那這一次這九大公文安護他們應該都有來了是都有在現場你最近你就把他們再考核一遍那把最後成果怎麼樣成績怎麼樣跟我講一下好不好其實您等一下我請那個時間暫停我請那個時間先暫停那個郭參署曾署長曾署長"},{"start":9394.493,"end":9413.146,"text":"曾署長你上來之後你是個老實人你做的你對於我們國產署所轄管國家的這些土地不動產你確實有做得清點也確實做得不錯不過有新的問題產生就是我們這些國有土地因為可能管理"},{"start":9414.875,"end":9425.114,"text":"太鬆散了分布在全國各地那我們沒有辦法就是每一塊都去管理的那麼良善結果就被一些惡劣的"},{"start":9426.578,"end":9451.998,"text":"恶劣的这些建商这些废弃物请到商那他们就去从我们国产土地去下手我去查了一下我们在树林的社宅跟在细子的社宅竟然要开工以后发现说这两个下面都是很多医疗废弃物化学废弃物建筑废弃物结果导致这两个工程竟然现在是放弃"},{"start":9452.879,"end":9469.814,"text":"那我另外又查了一下我們全國現在待清理的土地就是被亂倒廢棄物的土地有248筆面積有60.25公頃我認為這個部分第一個我們中央一定要訂出"},{"start":9470.955,"end":9490.955,"text":"國產署一定要訂出怎麼樣管理不要再讓這些土地被外來這些不當的去清盜他們把好的土先挖掉去賣那還其次喔結果再來盜他可以盜得更多這個是很惡劣的事情那第二個是不是結合地方政府"},{"start":9491.295,"end":9515.728,"text":"因為這四扇在全國22縣市那中央既然只能圍籬只能架設簡單的監控系統那是不是也結合地方政府他們在各重要的產業道路各重要的道路節點他們本來就有一套監視在那至少可以追出這些源頭要去傾倒這麼多"},{"start":9517.409,"end":9531.884,"text":"要去挖掘這麼多的土地那這一定要大型機具所以也一定是大型車輛這樣的情況下地方政府他們的監視系統其實有辦法幫我們做很多監控的工作好不好"},{"start":9533.221,"end":9550.334,"text":"簡單跟委員回覆一下第一個這些利用現有的科技包括中央入口熱點甚至衛星影像無人機的部分現在都是陸陸續續引進過來剛剛提到過有那麼多列管的位置有一些早期都是"},{"start":9551.295,"end":9570.641,"text":"所謂的地方政府的掩埋場剛剛所提到兩個社宅基地的部分都是其他機關移交因為有一些在做土地要移管之前像包括重劃就把那些土石方或甚至營建廢棄物就地掩埋"},{"start":9571.181,"end":9593.33,"text":"所以我們現在在點交土地的時候我們都要先去做試挖如果土地乾淨了我們才會收減少它的被廢棄物污染或是堆置的這些數量好 訂出阻止這個事情惡化的方法持續再辦理好不好是 謝謝委員謝謝王委員接下來我們請楊瓊英委員"},{"start":9613.397,"end":9615.929,"text":"謝謝主席楊瓊瑜發言 邀請部長我們請莊部長"},{"start":9623.735,"end":9648.71,"text":"委員好謝謝部長好辛苦了我們因應整個國際情勢強化經濟社會以及民生國安任性特別條例的預算在財政委員會審查那週二朝野達成共識我們預計要在明天17號來完成三讀的一個程序所以首先我請教我們部長如果明天完成了三讀之後你預計民眾什麼時候可以領到一萬元現金"},{"start":9653.178,"end":9679.403,"text":"跟委員報告明天大院三讀通過之後還要送請總統公佈是那總統公佈的那當天財政部在也會和行政院會開記者會會跟社會大眾報告每一個時間點不同的領取方式會在什麼時間點都會做詳細報告那我們也會我們的準備作業都已經進行當中我們也相信我們會以最快的速度讓民眾可以領到這個一萬塊"},{"start":9681.963,"end":9698.637,"text":"谢谢 谢谢你的落实执行因为上一次我们在院会执行的时候我本席也特别提出我们必须要同步去进行是的那刚才听到部长你所说的说明也就是有落实同步在进行"},{"start":9699.418,"end":9720.897,"text":"那同時本席要請教也就是你在上個月的時候也表示這一次的發放跟去年是相同那你規劃了這五大管道登記入帳ATM領用郵局領現直接入帳照冊發放你到目前為止你們所做的規劃是不是仍舊這五大方案呢"},{"start":9722.058,"end":9737.399,"text":"是的 我們還是用這五種方式這五種方式來讓民眾可以用最方便的方式領到這一萬塊好 那所以在可以登記入帳的指定網站那你目前架設的進度是如何呢"},{"start":9738.219,"end":9744.761,"text":"架設的部分我們相關的系統已經完成也都一直在積極的測試那我們希望民眾可以能夠順利的登錄那當然未來我們避免就是說同一個時間一開放以後太多的人進去我們可能會規劃分流的方式來進去怎麼去分流這個就是本席提問這個的重點必須要趕快趁這個時間研擬也就同步再測試同步再研擬那也會很清楚的告訴民眾怎麼樣分流"},{"start":9766.468,"end":9788.855,"text":"因為這一段時間部長我不知道您有沒有這個訊息已經有不少的假冒網站釣魚簡訊都已經出籠了那許多的民眾也遭到這個詐騙那我們政府本來就應當要有正確的訊息來告訴民眾才不會受騙因為明天就要三讀通過"},{"start":9789.855,"end":9800.344,"text":"通過之後更是詐騙的金黃旗金華旗所以這一點我也勿請財政部呢必須要好好的去宣導告訴民眾"},{"start":9802.858,"end":9806.46,"text":"我們第一個要加強宣導同時我們這一次的小組裡面還有一個打擊詐欺組那也跟委員報告您看從9月12號到10月2號已經通報下架有48件的詐騙廣告還有12個社群的帳號另外有3組涉及的網站已經停止把它架設下來整個是無孔不入都一直在做所以我們會跟刑事警察局一起來做"},{"start":9828.513,"end":9855.977,"text":"要去追说抓出这里面的对对对部长你现在所说的光光这一支数据就让人忧心但是这是显性隐性的更多对所以本席才要提出说你必须要给民众说明清楚对说明清楚而且要告诉诈骗的人不要侥幸我们一定会查到对对对我们要当好人不能当好人大家一起来当好人不能诈骗也不能被诈对是的那接下来本席要跟你请教的是才华华"},{"start":9857.152,"end":9873.64,"text":"財化法呢 你現在政府一直以修法為理由來大砍地方的補助款那以我們台中為例最明顯的你砍了我們的地方捷運這是已經約定好 說好的大家依照比例"},{"start":9874.72,"end":9888.805,"text":"那麼依照比例之後你必須像明年要給我們台中市政府是協助42億但是現在中央卻通知是1.6億所以去年底完成的這個財務法"},{"start":9890.345,"end":9918.581,"text":"你不只是不予履行而且讓地方該拿回的財源你又是爛砍所以在這種情況之下過去現在的執政黨民進黨也一直大力批評財化法是不公的包括民進黨的委員也提出了修法都認為這是必須要修的這是必須要修的所以本席請教本席請教從開始行政院"},{"start":9919.561,"end":9933.557,"text":"認為是最好的不願意改到認為有討論的空間到認為應該要修那所以本席請教行政部門的版本的進度到底是如何請做說明"},{"start":9934.598,"end":9962.328,"text":"謝謝委員支持現在的新版才化法有它的問題所以支持我們再修那目前來說下個星期二我們會再次已經第四次邀請地方政府來做討論我們希望能夠有個最大的一個共識集約一個最大共識來推新的版本那9月13號院長也邀請22縣市首長到院裡面來都有表達意見那這些東西我們都要匯集在我們的修法的方案裡面那這個部分呢我們希望到今年底前就可以提出院版"},{"start":9962.888,"end":9985.728,"text":"什麼時候會出來我們在今年年底以前會提出今年年底剛剛部長你的回答有一句是語誤錯誤不是說立法院三讀通過的版本是有問題的不是如此而是我們希望中央跟地方必須要好好的去討論怎麼樣讓民眾得到最大的利基點所以本期也特別強調"},{"start":9987.069,"end":9998.597,"text":"不管是朝野都希望這個法必須要修所以我真的非常希望您剛才承諾的是說你們行政院版會在年底以前會提出是 是嗎是的謝謝謝謝楊雄英委員接下來我們請鄭天才委員"},{"start":10022.106,"end":10039.846,"text":"主席有請部長我們請莊部長也請國產署署長而請鄭署長委員好部長好 辛苦了我們先看昨天質詢農業部部長的影片"},{"start":10044.209,"end":10064.457,"text":"沒有取得所有錢還在作業中鄉鎮公所工廠管理原住民保留地我們有取得所有錢的有的還沒有取得所有錢還在作業中鄉鎮公所工廠管理機關都已經勘查同意符合振花邊保留地可以取得所有錢但是他還在作業中的"},{"start":10065.182,"end":10080.678,"text":"明明这个土地工厂管理机关都同意它使用但是产权还在公有还在国产署这样这样的一个或是还在人民会这个部分也请农业部能够给予只要是能够让工厂管理机关证明"},{"start":10081.278,"end":10104.887,"text":"他確實是他在耕種委員報告您剛才所提的大部分我在去花蓮的時候就已經處理了那你這邊提到的原住民保留地的所有權的農民的部分因為他沒有所有權然後他隨便指認哪一個地是他種的我沒辦法判斷所以只要是原住民原民會那邊因為他有劃分嘛能夠提供證明他是"},{"start":10105.647,"end":10122.267,"text":"對 在那邊就請那個工廠管理機關提出證明對 他如果證明說他只是還沒有國有財政署他也可以證明他如果國有財政署也說雖然說國有財政署沒有提供租約但是也也出具的說他有在這邊種植的事實我們都可以認啊好"},{"start":10125.414,"end":10143.455,"text":"最主要是昨天本席質詢農業部因為農業部針對這一次花家沙颱風尤其是馬太安溪淹塞浮潰壩造成的農業的損失"},{"start":10146.002,"end":10174.546,"text":"很多的状况有的是农田有的是农作物或者是农机器各方面而这些造成这样的一个灾情很重要的就是如果我们从这个农业部自己的资料109年就已经发现这个崩塌然后去年113年就已经形成烟灾福相关的这些"},{"start":10175.967,"end":10193.526,"text":"都没有去进行无论是烟灾府的处理或者是海南处理的话最起码提防加固加高还有雇船工等等都没有做所以我就请这个农业部能够放宽他的"},{"start":10194.252,"end":10221.408,"text":"救助的这些措施所以部长就同意因为现在农业部对于譬如说重建翁网市它必须要有自有耕地或成株耕地或者是这个相关的农田的流失或是淹没它还是要有自有耕地或成株耕地像这个修缮重建辅导农机器还有运输设施设备修耕或是相关的"},{"start":10222.889,"end":10248.941,"text":"轉做七座它都是要自有耕地或成株耕地對民眾來講就有很大的一個困難所以基本上以鳳林跟光復自有耕地成株耕地那個沒有問題那現在就是要去解決的就是說第一個它是國有的土地"},{"start":10250.9,"end":10279.832,"text":"還在申請增畫邊原住民保留地的過程當中他申請的時候他就會提出按照行政院所核定的增畫邊保留地的規定就會有適齡的證明就會送到鄉鎮公所那還在審查的當中所以這樣的一個案子希望財政部國產署能夠同意就看是要由延民會"},{"start":10281.734,"end":10308.646,"text":"來出證明還是國產署同意授權給鄉鎮市公所因為鄉鎮市公所是授禮的第一個單位授禮振化邊保留地的第一個單位士林證明也都在他手上是不是能夠同意跟農業部的部長的說法是一樣這個可以嗎我想是不是食物的部分我們請署長來跟您說明好嗎"},{"start":10310.547,"end":10329.606,"text":"報告委員 我想第一個他已經來申請增化編現在其實委員也都知道因為地方鄉鎮公所人力不足都有點卡卡的但是如果產前還在國產署這邊他要做農業災害的救助或申請"},{"start":10330.467,"end":10349.173,"text":"其實我們這邊在這一次這個馬太安事件的時候我們都有很多都不用再拿到國產署的同意書只要地方政府有災損的清澈就可以直接來處理甚至有關那個農地復耕的部分"},{"start":10349.853,"end":10363.689,"text":"如果復耕要兩年我們就兩年不收原則上地方政府認為他沒有辦法耕作我們就不收租金建築物沒辦法居住我們現在也沒有收租金那個部落我都知道謝謝 台南部署長"},{"start":10365.317,"end":10388.471,"text":"還有一個部分剛講的是涉及原住民的部分也有不是原住民但是它就你們的立場是它是佔用了國有土地它實際上在使用你們也有它佔用的資料所以針對這樣的農損的部分也希望國產署能夠同意"},{"start":10392.442,"end":10411.231,"text":"這樣只要出證明他是占用那至於合不合是由農業部來決定 可以嗎可以 如果他是占用人的話跟委員報告第一個我現在也是暫緩收起使用補償金第二個如果他要去申請農業災害補助的話"},{"start":10413.972,"end":10427.075,"text":"要我們開證明 我們可以開但是準薄錢會在農業單位沒錯 謝謝好 我們謝謝鄭天才委員接下來我們請葉元之委員麻煩請財政部長我們請莊部長"},{"start":10443.479,"end":10471.849,"text":"委員好部長好請問一下現在財化法政院版的修法什麼時候會提出來跟委員報告我們目前下個禮拜二財政部會再邀請地方政府來開會那我們會希望在年底以前就可以把政院版提給你希望是年底以前把政院版提出來對對對我們禮拜二會再請地方政府來開會那9月13號院長也邀請了22縣市長在行政院那縣市首長們也都有提相關的意見我們會把他會籍"},{"start":10473.189,"end":10479.941,"text":"部長因為我也知道說你有找地方政府來開會但目前的狀況是財政部好像現在已經有一個公示對不對"},{"start":10481.949,"end":10504.81,"text":"這部分我們跟地方政府一直都在討論包括指標等等我知道說你現在有跟地方政府有提一個公式出來啦但是我希望說你提公式的同時也可以把試算的數字一併提出來因為目前大家好像地方政府只有看到公式指標的調整並沒有看到數字其實對地方政府來說他也很難做評估啦"},{"start":10505.45,"end":10525.632,"text":"所以我覺得政院在跟地方討論的時候至少資訊公開透明讓大家詳細了解大家比較能夠做出對自己縣市比較有利的判斷我覺得這件事情要有善意啦好不好可以在下一次開會的時候把你們所訂出來的公示的數字一併提給地方政府嗎可以嗎"},{"start":10526.566,"end":10550.047,"text":"我們下次討論的時候第一個指標之前討論過下次可能會考慮到權重那權重要確認才能算得出來因為你只有指標沒有數字人家也很難討論所以你一併要把試算出來的數字提供給地方政府來討論第一件事情第二個是我聽說你現在很多指標跟我們立法院通過的版本有很大的落差"},{"start":10550.988,"end":10553.69,"text":"比如說像人口部分現在是從45調降到30是不是"},{"start":10557.739,"end":10586.22,"text":"第一个在权重的部分我们之前也提过因为人口跟盈利事业的营业额它两者是正相关的因为占了75%的比例相当高所以这一次可以看到工商发达的现实它所获配的金额比较高这是我们要提到第二个部分我们这一次的调整在人口的部分会更细致的划分人口现在因为我们只有我在这边没有办法给你详细讨论你就回答我问题就好你现在人口是降到多少"},{"start":10586.96,"end":10602.566,"text":"人口降到多少目前我們可能還是在禮拜二會跟我聽說是30是不是你都開兩次會了你還講不出來沒有 上一次開會沒有談到權重的比例只是說人口要更細緻的話可是你已經有啦你這邊已經有公視了嘛人口是不是降到30%"},{"start":10604.53,"end":10632.774,"text":"然後土地是不是拉到30%我們會再跟地方政府再確認這個是你提出來的公式我說你提出來的公式你自己台政部連自己提出來公式權重多少都不知道我知道您講的是我們提出去的會議資料所以你有提出公式要地方政府來討論那你如果資訊不公開人家也不知道怎麼討論我們在會議資料有附沒有不公開你現在人口是要強到30是不是是不是"},{"start":10634.588,"end":10636.262,"text":"因為我也沒有記那麼清楚"},{"start":10637.879,"end":10665.522,"text":"我們會後是不是提供因為我們在會議資料也有放沒關係部長我請您把所有的詳細資料包括我剛剛講的試算書都提供給地方政府因為我們要來看一下到底對各件事是有利還是算出來狀況是怎麼樣然後還有一個就是部長你有提到說你們修法版本裡面你認為營業稅的權重太高這是指水平分配還是垂直分配"},{"start":10666.438,"end":10678.027,"text":"我们是在讲盈利事业营业额它的权重它占了应该是30%所以是水平分配的部分在水平分配水平分配的部分所以营业额的权重这一块也会做调整"},{"start":10679.349,"end":10701.318,"text":"盈利事業營業額這個部分對因為我希望說加快你們政院版本提出來的速度那如果這樣以現在的做法的話我覺得大家會吵很久啦好不好盡快完整數字提供給地方政府大家來討論那我有看到是院長講說什麼政院版出來之後會先去跟民進黨黨團討論"},{"start":10704.131,"end":10723.952,"text":"我也是覺得非常奇怪啦行政院不是版本應該應該要跟大家討論嘛為什麼是跟民進黨黨團討論什麼時候民進黨黨團變成行政院的我真的覺得超奇怪的然後剩一點時間問一下您今天早上有提到說普發現金最快是11月上旬就可以發是不是"},{"start":10724.874,"end":10752.441,"text":"是的那為什麼上次我問卓鴻泰院長的時候他說最快11月中你們後來是有發現民意的壓力是不是終於覺得要快了是不是不是因為第一時間都是在講要很久現在才發現說要快一點我跟委員說明因為第一個很確定的是明天不對明天嘛明天會三讀通過那我相信立法是確定會三讀通過那這個是確定的我們才能往下推時間那接下來就是會很快的送給"},{"start":10753.481,"end":10768.886,"text":"總統來公告那我們這個部分就會當天公告當天就會來開記者會我上次問卓院長也是講說以明天三讀通過當作一個前提到底什麼時候會發他說最快是11月中部長你說11月上旬所以你的速度比院長講的還快你不要接地氣我們加快腳步來做準備謝謝謝謝葉委員"},{"start":10777.688,"end":10790.615,"text":"接下來我們請何欣淳委員何欣淳委員何欣淳委員不在場下一位邱智維委員邱智維委員邱好"},{"start":10802.879,"end":10828.252,"text":"謝主席 是不是請財政部莊部長公安務署洪署長我們請這一個部長還有請我們的署長台灣金控林董事長兆豐金控董董事長林董事長 董董事長台灣煙酒公司湯董事長湯董事長台北金融大樓佳董事長佳董事長 好"},{"start":10829.465,"end":10849.079,"text":"我們尊重委員的發言所以如果有要討論的時候請各位盡量壓低聲量這樣子官員跟立委的詢問才會聽得到 謝謝第一個問題請教部長跟兩位董事長公務航庫因為兆豐跟海營是指標性"},{"start":10851.081,"end":10876.779,"text":"這個針對六大核心戰略產業放款餘額是5兆多這沒有問題那我們對這個中小企業的這個金融資源很重要特別是傳統產業比如說南部的金屬構建手工具機等等這些都需要這個政府在供股行庫在金融上面給予大力的資源雖然說中小企業放款的餘額有提升到5兆8千多"},{"start":10877.796,"end":10894.49,"text":"然後針對微小型的企業融資也到1兆多但是我還是接到很多關於這個貸款無門或者貸款的進度緩慢我不曉得這個部長你了解這個是不是有訊息的落差看你們報告是你們提供很多的金融資源"},{"start":10895.816,"end":10921.855,"text":"會不會就貸不到款是跟委員報告確實我們有對於中小微企業有一個專案那大概額度到了1兆5千億這個部分我們請各公股行庫要能夠積極對於中小微企業要做金融支持那當然他們在放款的時候仍然要遵循金管會也好銀行公會的相關的法規都要去做非常困難的時刻譬如說金屬扣件他們過去50年來最艱困的時刻"},{"start":10922.935,"end":10949.544,"text":"市場嚴重萎縮然後面臨中國的銷價競爭所以他們對資金的壓力非常大如果中國供股行庫這個時候再給他們設立比較高的門檻或者是行政程序的繁瑣他們真的是有時候會關門其實這部分是不是拜託部長跟供股行庫的所有的董事長跟董經理能夠體恤這些微中小企業特別是傳統產業經營的困難"},{"start":10951.385,"end":10959.158,"text":"在金融資源上面可以全力的協助門管上面程序上面也不要那麼繁雜林董事長您的看法會不會帶不到錢"},{"start":10961.536,"end":10982.262,"text":"謝謝委員指教確實我們今年度把這個對中小企業的一個獸性是列為我們的業務的重點之一那當然會努力的推進那當然中小企業本身他的財務狀況還有一些財報的方式的提供他的可能比較不透明所以可能在整個審核的過程當中需要他準備的資訊會比較多多一點體諒陪他們度過難關一定的那董董事長呢"},{"start":10988.244,"end":11014.411,"text":"會不會碰到中小企業貸款無門謝謝委員指教最近這一段因為美國關稅的情況對國內的一些企業可能當然會有一些挑戰我們在這一部分我們就執行政府政策本來我們其實在過去任何只要有天災或者是國內外經濟情況我們都有一些類似像紓困的案件我們都會重塑 重減 重游另外工農航庫的海外佈局"},{"start":11015.211,"end":11035.527,"text":"是各個行戶自己做決定還是你們會有綜合性的協調避免資源存物浪費譬如說海外你要在哪個國家設辦事處分行這個是由這個財政部來宏觀調控還是各個行戶自己去做判斷就兆豐來講的話是兆豐我們自己來判斷的那我們這個台灣銀行也是自己判斷"},{"start":11037.198,"end":11061.819,"text":"對 這個就是看我們整個業務上面的一個需求還有看台商在海外的佈局的情況來做決定好 謝謝好 謝謝兩位董事長那第二個問題想請問關稅的問題那個何主任你在這個非洲住溫你這個托運行李是由關務署去看嗎托運行李美國的托運行李是關務署在看嗎手提行李呢"},{"start":11062.884,"end":11082.32,"text":"手提行李有分前面跟紅綠線通關我現在講的是非洲出運的部分手提行李在這個逃一逃二都是由這個防險局還委託這個保全公司但是在小港是由你們關務所同仁去執行手提行李的檢查"},{"start":11083.522,"end":11107.225,"text":"這會增加你們的工作這應該是房檢局要做的所以拜託部長你要去跟農業部長協調不要把他們工作交給我們複稅署那個關務署去做另外綠線 綠線通常都是免申報對不對是 他就是所提醒你好 他如果在這個免申商店多買了幾條菸 多買了幾瓶酒你們知不知道"},{"start":11108.793,"end":11129.944,"text":"我們會註檢然後會抽檢你們抽檢率很差不要說很差 很低啦這個我出國也算是平凡但是從來沒有被抽檢過我很期待我被抽檢抽檢一定要提升啦不要說大家都如露無人之境你盡量賣 盡量賣那這樣會損及你那個台灣鷹友公司這個湯董事長會不高興會損及他的利潤"},{"start":11137.92,"end":11162.067,"text":"這部分再特別注意一下好 謝謝委員指導另外下一個問題請問這個菸酒公司湯董事長日本要買菸酒需要提供身份證明買菸酒要提供身份你要去7-11或者超商再給我一分半這個提供身份證明你覺得這個當然對國民的健康是有幫助的你贊不贊成這個措施"},{"start":11165.54,"end":11187.876,"text":"報告委員我們目前在台灣的連鎖便利店是不用提供這個證明那是政府的政策但是這個你站在ESG的角度企業社會責任很重要維護青少年的健康也很重要所以我會擦心說要買青少年要買煙敏要提供身份證明要比照日本的做法那個部長您同意嗎部長"},{"start":11191.687,"end":11198.409,"text":"要身份證明我覺得這個部分我們再來考慮一下因為影響到社會整個的一個變化是"},{"start":11199.962,"end":11222.181,"text":"這個是大議題日本可以做我就覺得我們可以學習不見得完全copy他們經驗但是可以往這方向去思考保障國人的健康謝謝委員指教湯董事長你這個做一個董事長你也商量一年多了你對提升台灣健美公司的ESG有沒有具體的做法"},{"start":11223.602,"end":11237.987,"text":"來 董事長簡要回答好 跟委員報告我們的那個工廠到今年九月份我們已經完成了五座的太陽能的電廠那我們的總減碳量也達到了好 那是環境的部分那個社會責任的部分呢"},{"start":11239.096,"end":11265.576,"text":"社會責任部分像我們在我們所有的玻璃瓶的回收的部分也高達95%以上的回收那我們所有的紙類的部分80%都是用回收再利用的紙張來做進行使用能不能提供給我一個詳細的ESG的具體作為同樣的問題我想請教台北金融大樓的其他董事長您上任之後有沒有具體的做法來提升台北金融大樓的ESG一樣簡要回答"},{"start":11266.021,"end":11279.853,"text":"好 我跟委員報告一下我們的這個在國際的綠建築獎章我們Leadwell在我上任之後已經是全球最高分了所以其實真的是台灣之光你可以當環境部長"},{"start":11284.876,"end":11301.954,"text":"社會責任其實就像我剛才所講到的我們會不只是增加我們台北101的營收還有在我們回饋社會的整個公益的善款的部分我們都會增加其實這就像我們的日常一樣"},{"start":11303.154,"end":11318.308,"text":"那公司治理你跟前任跟前幾任你的公司治理你最大的特色是什麼我最大的特色嗎公司治理的部分應該是跟前幾任完全不一樣就是我最大的特色我想這個很粗向我要花點時間去思考好謝謝謝謝我們邱委員接下來我們請黃珊珊委員"},{"start":11337.197,"end":11340.78,"text":"謝謝主席 我請財政部莊部長我們請莊部長委員好是 部長我想大家都還是非常關心財政部有關財政收支劃分法那院長在10月14號的時候說要提出院版中午要提出院版 你看過院版了嗎"},{"start":11360.729,"end":11378.584,"text":"這個部分跟委員報告我們都持續在開會還在開會所以還沒有版然後下個禮拜二我們還會再請縣市政府來再召開一次會議因為從去年到現在我們一直都在問有沒有願版有沒有願版到今天還是沒有願版還是會提但是還沒出來"},{"start":11380.165,"end":11405.873,"text":"我觉得这个部分还是要做最充分的讨论能够集约最大的共识就白话闻讲有没有愿板有还是没有我们要不要等你们的愿板还是因为现在立法院有陈选生委员郭国荣委员跟赖瑞龙委员他们有提新的会期的才华法版本你看过没有我知道我们会提出愿板你们会提出愿板会在这个会期提出来吗这个年底前"},{"start":11406.724,"end":11433.142,"text":"年底前這個會期 因為如果你們不提出來委員會就只有這三個版本這三個版本跟行政院的版本意見是一樣的嗎這個部分我們做過檢視我們會做全盤的調整你們會提出來所以現在委員會還有一個等待審查的是台灣民眾黨的版本因為上一次沒有送出委員會其實在委員會其實還有民眾黨的版本也請你們納入參考"},{"start":11435.323,"end":11447.752,"text":"因為當時我們就說我們希望提供給行政部門彈性但是沒有得到大家的支持所以我覺得接下去願版也應該把所有可能大家提出的版本再納入考慮好嗎好的 我們會來看的所以重點還是"},{"start":11452.133,"end":11475.583,"text":"把事情做對做好但是才化法今天已經到這個程度了必須要進一步的面對不要再假裝沒看見因為它已經是事實而且預算也在編不管怎麼樣接下去的後續的做法行政院必須要負責任的來面對現在的民意機關不管你喜歡或不喜歡對吧"},{"start":11476.821,"end":11498.328,"text":"好 第二個部分是部長這個下個禮拜就要去參加亞太APEC的經濟合作會議了吧是的您這次也是由您帶團是的好那這幾年2023、2024都是由部長帶團大概有哪些具體的收穫還有哪些具體落實在政策上面呢"},{"start":11499.706,"end":11518.28,"text":"跟委員報告那每一年APEC它的主題都不會一樣那今年很重要就是財政政策的部分那財政政策大家都知道因為美國對等關稅的影響希望永續成長的財政政策還有永續金融的部分那永續金融的部分我們同時也會請金管會的副主委一起去"},{"start":11518.8,"end":11522.123,"text":"但是財政合作最重要的是租稅協定這一次我們有要跟哪些國家簽訂新的租稅協定或以前沒簽成的這次有機會簽成嗎在APEC裡面不會去談租稅協定這樣的一個事情不會去談但是我們要去洽簽"},{"start":11536.736,"end":11555.399,"text":"我们会在这种场合里面去跟不同国家的财政代表去做交流各个国家去签所谓的租税协定就是说我们开启相关的洽谈或者要修协定这次我们都会利用各种场合不管是场边的都来"},{"start":11555.979,"end":11580.192,"text":"因為最近聯合報有轉譯了一個日經亞洲的報導說台灣近年有積極向澳洲、日本、紐西蘭東南亞國家多國來洽簽貿易協定但是面臨美國總統川普主導的變動的國際秩序還有中國大陸日益擴大的影響力所以台灣遭到幾乎所有的國家"},{"start":11581.332,"end":11596.53,"text":"冷遇也就是冷冷的對待知情的人士點名加拿大先前已經跟台北談妥貿易協議但是拖到現在半年沒有任何推進所以是不是有這樣的狀況部長我們有沒有被冷遇"},{"start":11597.746,"end":11599.928,"text":"貿易協定的簽訂不在財政部我們其實已經有跟35個國家已經簽了租稅協定目前加拿大跟美國也一直在持續的進行當中然後加拿大的部分是有早就有租稅協定了"},{"start":11614.28,"end":11641.156,"text":"她是特別希望能夠在這次我希望部長出門還是要有成果回來接下去的我們雖然外交很辛苦但是每一次都應該有每一次的成果我們樂見我們對外應該要有充分的主張但是我們希望交更多的朋友我們在各種場合用各種場合去交流我想還是這個是非常重要謝謝委員的期許"},{"start":11641.556,"end":11659.953,"text":"那接下來我想問一下新清安貸款新清安貸款在央行開了這個放款天條拿掉以後不再受銀行法的限制那目前為止有增加多少的貸款額度大概一千多億嗎新清安的"},{"start":11661.092,"end":11689.651,"text":"現在的部分因為原來是因為有排隊因為受額度的限制現在還在排隊嗎現在排隊的部分已經分別減少50%到50%金額跟件數都減少50%跟60%大概還有多少人還有多少人在排隊50% 60%那表示還有40%到50%的人在排隊我們待會是不是把件數金額跟委員做報告那另外排等的時間就是說已經核准了但是要等撥款的時間大概現在縮短在兩個月以內這樣子"},{"start":11691.672,"end":11712.797,"text":"排隊要一個月 撥款要兩個月這個可能還是需要更加把勁啊好的第二個部分是從民間團體他們所統計出來的資料這也是我們比較憂心的目前為止經過民團的調查財政部的資料裡面超過50歲的生代的人達到6765戶年收入超過300萬元的人"},{"start":11719.838,"end":11738.849,"text":"有6,737戶也有高達34,104戶他的所得比超過15倍的現象也就是高所得的族群現在也享受到所謂的低利的補貼部長 這個調查的結果跟你們實際上的狀況相同嗎"},{"start":11743.635,"end":11767.711,"text":"就是我們現在拿新清安貸款拿低利補貼的人其實有超過50歲以上的有達到6000多戶超過年收入300萬的人也有6000多戶這是什麼狀況這是我們高所得然後也繼續取得新清安的補貼的現象已經達到一定的比例以上這是我們原來政策上面所希望的嗎"},{"start":11768.565,"end":11788.222,"text":"跟委员报告新清安这个部分虽然我们没有做年龄的限制但是50岁以下的占了95%占了95%像我刚刚讲的是超过50岁的生贷者跟年收入超过300万的都有6000多户这些是不是我们接下去应该做一些检讨了"},{"start":11788.502,"end":11806.749,"text":"他的條件基本上是屬於沒有房屋沒有置有房屋的我明白 都明白但是我的意思是說可能已經讓高所得的人也分擔也就是得到這樣的利息補貼了這個原因可能我們接下去"},{"start":11807.901,"end":11824.109,"text":"政策上面實行的一段時間就要進行一定的檢討嗎當然檢討我們可以來做因為我覺得這個也是一個問題如果明天團體發現怎麼300萬年收入300萬以上的人也拿到新新安貸款這個的確是有點怪怪的"},{"start":11824.778,"end":11851.013,"text":"我们到时候委员的提醒我要说的是我们在政策上的政策目标跟我们想要达到的政策目标是不是相符还是说我们的政策因为忽略了这方面的所以造成了有可能高所得的人也得到这些所谓的利息补贴这才是我们担心的地方我们提示纳入我们到时候也希望这个部分你们检讨一下这个会期年底前给我一个检讨报告好吗好"},{"start":11852.97,"end":11872.545,"text":"最後還是一樣部長現在的問題是我們現在今年到現在預算執行尤其稅入的部分是不是顯然沒有達到我們原來去年去年預估的狀況目前為止稅入的部分有相關的短處到4000億嗎"},{"start":11875.592,"end":11884.866,"text":"稅客收入現在短促的部分是4000億那現在稅務執行到多少比例了到9月份是達到75%"},{"start":11887.094,"end":11906.685,"text":"對 就是稅客收入跟委員報告是稅客收入的部分財政部的時增數啦時增數 對 沒有錯所以你今年能夠達標嗎今年達標是有當然預算書是有挑戰性的有挑戰性 原因是什麼 關稅第一個就是還是去年又寬估了 太樂觀了"},{"start":11907.83,"end":11935.892,"text":"不是太乐观我跟委员报告我们114年的预算数税科收入预算数比113年的实征数增加947亿比实征数就增加所以我们事实上所以你们没有宽估但是现在可能达不到但是有一个不确定的因素就是证交税证交税到目前9月底为止是比去年的实征数减少223亿原因原因就是证交大家不买股票了交易量变少了"},{"start":11936.132,"end":11961.569,"text":"我們原來估的時候是4600億今年的預算已經暴增了因為你的收入寬估所以認為還可以但是在明年以後我相信可能除了稅金剩餘用完可能還要再開始舉債而且賴總統兩年就把蔡英文總統八年剩下的錢花光了尤其是接下來還有"},{"start":11963.37,"end":11990.406,"text":"国防特别预算上兆部长你觉得你明年或接下来你的税率会完成任务还是说会接下去政府必须要做相关的举债了明年的税率有很大一个部分减少3000多亿主要是因为财化法要出去4165亿划归到中心地方所以你必须要举债了增加等于整个中央要释出一兆多的金额到地方政府"},{"start":11991.196,"end":12008.205,"text":"但是中央就要把自己原來該做的事情減少所以整體來說是沒有減少的你三兆一千億的預算其實是比歷年來都高很多我的意思是說預算還是要準確的預估第二個執行面可能還是要盡責"},{"start":12009.345,"end":12028.852,"text":"是謝謝我預算部分當然要準確的預估希望預算在財化法修正通過之後接下去你們要提的相關版本也能夠把這個部分一併納入考慮是的對中央的施政需要的部分都一定要考慮謝謝主席謝謝黃委員接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員"},{"start":12040.691,"end":12045.253,"text":"謝謝昭偉那我們是有請財政部莊部長我們請莊部長委員好部長好部長首先我想要先就教一下現在普發現金一萬塊這件事情那我剛看到新聞說11月上旬會開始第一批那所謂你講的第一批跟後面的批次他是怎麼做分類的"},{"start":12070.432,"end":12085.385,"text":"我們大概分幾種方式第一個就是我們會照冊就直接入帳的那我們會在總統公佈的當天就把清冊匯集起來然後要核對完畢以後就可以入帳那另外還有一個就是登記到網站"},{"start":12085.725,"end":12107.114,"text":"網站裡面去登記的那這個部分網站開始啟用以後民眾我們要分流因為怕同一個時間大家都擠進去所以分流那分流那就按照我們原則上會按身份證號的尾數來做分流那大家上去登記那另外我們會分ATM再開始做領線然後還有就是郵局的領線會分階段來做"},{"start":12110.015,"end":12133.003,"text":"那个是他要去领现的嘛那照册的是直接会汇到他的汇入帐里面到帐号那怎样的人会在照册里面这里面最主要就像有领年金的部分非常清楚因为他身份非常清楚而且帐号是很清楚的汇那像登我们知道我们看到领照册您现在是说照册对不对对对就是说怎样的人我是在照册里面"},{"start":12134.42,"end":12157.647,"text":"大概造册的人总共有425万人上一次就有425万人但是相关的资格条件就是说国家有再给付他年金的那就直接进入他的年金户头他的年金账户那如果不在这个有年金的状况他可能就需要去做领现那就刚刚想的有其他你们去做分流的方式让他们去领这个1万块"},{"start":12158.307,"end":12176.578,"text":"像有勞工保險的年金給付勞工職業災害的年金給付這非常明確的我們就直接照冊入帳大概上一次有425萬的人那也有網路去登記網路登記是比例最高大概近四成上一次的話有935萬人"},{"start":12179.793,"end":12197.322,"text":"930萬對透過網路網站去登記以後然後畫到他的帳號裡面去好那所以這個網站的架構你們也都網站的架構整個系統的設置都沒問題了嗎已經設置了已經設置了然後在不斷的測試當中我們希望他能夠因為通常這種都在至少前一個禮拜會有塞車的狀況"},{"start":12198.542,"end":12213.199,"text":"所以你們可能要做好壓力的測試壓力測試之外也要做好分流所以我們會在總統公佈那當天就會開記者會然後告訴每一種方式他開始做的時間點都會跟社會大眾做說明"},{"start":12214.46,"end":12220.343,"text":"我想八歲而已就這一萬塊是歡欣鼓舞開開心心的我們國家稅收可以有這樣的盈餘然後讓人民可以達到共享經濟的成果這個也是我們執政我們樂見的一個狀況是 我們會把這個事情把它盡力做好好 那我再問第二個問題因為我現在遇到好多打羽毛球的人"},{"start":12240.196,"end":12247.799,"text":"我們現在補中也羽毛球國手現在打羽毛球變好人的運動為什麼變好人的運動因為現在羽毛球這個球越來越貴你說說兩個牌子一個叫做勝利牌他一趟一趟的羽毛球2024年是六百六十塊今年九百六十塊起五成另外一個牌叫做YONEX"},{"start":12269.386,"end":12274.849,"text":"這個是國際賽的用球2023年920塊到現在已經超過7000塊所以他一輪就是10個10個7000塊 等於一顆球8000塊耶一顆球8000塊 有夠貴所以羽毛球就變成說你沒有一定的經濟能力還真的一球難求因為每一個球都好貴"},{"start":12295.178,"end":12308.448,"text":"後來又看到一個狀況就是羽毛球貴了那是因為國際的羽毛量不足嘛國際的羽毛量不足說因為是低價所以養蚵的人都不去養蚵了都去養豬了所以蚵不夠 羽毛就不夠那是國際的狀況國際情勢就是物價的問題但是呢"},{"start":12323.226,"end":12349.058,"text":"有一個問題就是說至少在我們可控的部分我們關務署在今年9月15號的時候有一個法令生效那就是把羽毛球說羽毛球的中文名字雖然有球但是它是用羽毛跟半球形的卵木組成外形與一般球類窘異所以就把它從說者950669"},{"start":12352.78,"end":12358.602,"text":"把他改成950699.00也就是原本稅率是0%你把他改成另外一個稅則說他不是球所以他稅則變2.5%聽說他的身分就變高了所以遇到這樣的狀況之下我可以預想羽毛球還會再漲價那個球才會起價所以我想要請教部長的就是說羽毛球雖然有羽毛但是它本身就是那個軟木鰓就是那個球"},{"start":12381.528,"end":12390.03,"text":"為什麼我們就要把他從球把他排除你如果說射到不夠遠不是球的位我們在打曲棍球那是鐵柄的那鐵柄那也不是球型啊橄欖球他在球變形了那也不是球啊所以為什麼要對羽毛球這麼苛責他呢是因為現在打的人比較多嗎"},{"start":12404.133,"end":12422.805,"text":"委員這個部分是不是請我們關務署署長說一下這個我好想聽答案署長也是簡要答覆是 報告委員我們沒有那個就是說苛刻這個羽毛球的這個球類運動因為正確的稅則稅號就是要走9506 9900就是它是屬於其他運動的一個設備"},{"start":12429.449,"end":12441.1,"text":"不能走原來的其他球因為我們走的是國際HS的統一規範其他球他有定義我們也參考了歐盟跟美國的一個案例規定大家都是走9506"},{"start":12443.803,"end":12449.225,"text":"9900這個稅號才對但是走這個稅號目前稅率是3.5%3.5%但是它有ECFA的適用所以走這個稅號3.5%會變成是0%也不是說ECFA適用而已它是叫做低收低開發國家進口來的0%所以也不是只有也沒有單純ECFA的問題而已"},{"start":12466.871,"end":12477.059,"text":"跟委員報告他正確應該是要走那個我剛剛講的9506 9900這個稅號如果以前有一些可能走9506 6900這個稅號是3.5%有ECFA的適用"},{"start":12482.499,"end":12485.98,"text":"稅就會變零我們讓他先維持這樣會變零但是因為我們稅號稅則是走全世界統一規範的一個規矩如果稅則是這樣那就出現在這兩個稅一個是3.5一個是2.5還是是零不管是怎樣看起來就是變得說你們用這樣的一個科稅結果就讓"},{"start":12507.583,"end":12532.755,"text":"像羽毛球這樣的運動他的器材成本就墊高所以這個你們要去考慮就是說這個還是我們一些稅率的考量就是說你看羽毛球他就忽然間被踢到另外一個稅者去了他就從0變2.5所以他的成本就墊高然後又加上我剛剛講的現在的羽毛國際羽毛的價格飆漲所以現在羽毛球一球難球這球有夠貴球有什麼比球牌還貴"},{"start":12537.878,"end":12557.211,"text":"我覺得這個對我們現在在全民在推運動羽毛球是我們國內在奧運屢屢得經的一個重點運動項目我覺得這個稅率的苛定在決定這個稅率的關稅的時候我們再考量一下好不好我們會跟產發署來研議看是不是要調降這個稅率謝謝我們蔡委員"},{"start":12563.587,"end":12572.954,"text":"謝謝接下來我們請侯孟楷委員侯孟楷委員侯孟楷委員不在場"},{"start":12575.232,"end":12599.19,"text":"今日登记发言委员均已询答完毕本次会议作如下决定第一报告及询答完毕第二委员质询未及答复或请补充资讯请财政部于一周内以书面答复委员另要求期限者从期锁定第三委员林楚英罗明才所提书面质询均列入记录刊登公报并请财政部以书面答复第四"},{"start":12599.77,"end":12609.736,"text":"本次會議議程已經行完畢 還有不在場委員補題書面質詢 以並列入紀錄刊登公報 並請議事人員協助處理謝謝今天所有列席的官員 我們現在宣布散會"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}