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那你一片綠油油 沒有改善 也就算了我不能說算了啦 我會在預算裡面繼續來給他監督啦好 你看 莊靜晨是你過去的同事 陳景倫當過鄉長他當鄉長的時候台茶五號這個紅茶的名字就是他當鄉長那裡的這個莊靜晨他沒有當過我的同事啦 因為我可能接來比較晚一點"},{"start":616.559,"end":642.48,"text":"那所以呢他後來他在大罷免期間他因為呢他說這個他被刪了操作啊辭掉執行長之後讓中部的這個聯合服務中心執行長大概懸缺了將近半年之久啊將近半年之久我有去請教過我們在去年到今年我們的中部的執行中聯合服務中心"},{"start":643.2,"end":665.647,"text":"那個時候除了執行長辦公室因為沒有人之外其他的業務服務照樣然後他現在要去選舉那結果呢你們現在誰來接任他呢是原來的副執行長因為他原來擔任副執行長可能大家沒有特別的重視"},{"start":666.987,"end":673.149,"text":"過去包含黃國昌委員 包含陳晚會委員 當時陳晚會委員當時曾經質疑陳景倫 他擔任雜糧發展基金會 他當執行長的時候虛報公堂"},{"start":685.572,"end":689.835,"text":"他的狀況是怎樣呢比如說他的報帳說他去參訪訪問拜會農糧署只有農糧署沒有他的名單啊沒有訪問名單啊還有包括這些什麼高鐵的票後來證實說這不是出差啊很多是回家的或者他們做補助給這個社會團體來做什麼樣的方案來辦活動"},{"start":716.052,"end":742.566,"text":"最後交的報告根本是其他的這個活動拿來批圖然後也不管啊年年去做補助所以後來兩個人雙雙都離開包含當時的董事長跟執行長都離開了雜糧基金會所以我要講的就是說如果你們今天不但是用綠油油你剛剛講的陳景倫怎樣怎樣他原來是不是你們民進黨南投線的"},{"start":743.406,"end":747.548,"text":"黨部主委他原來是不是民進黨單頭縣議員然後議員之後去當雜糧發展基金會有沒有被人要抓包虛報公堂然後再還回去結案"},{"start":757.287,"end":773.32,"text":"我要講如果你們今天聯合服務中心繼續是這樣整個執行長也好副執行長也好都是用這樣子你們在都是綠油油都是你們卸任的立委卸任的議員然後整個暫居聯合服務中心"},{"start":774.601,"end":796.703,"text":"宛如是另外一個黨部我們沒有辦法支持所以我覺得如果今天你們要爭取預算在人事上過去一年我並沒有看到什麼樣的改善我們真的沒有看到改善如果你今天能夠在我們過去大家所執意的部分你們來做改善我們當然在預算裡可以支持"},{"start":797.324,"end":815.218,"text":"可是如果今天繼續拿聯合服務中心作為你們的酬傭的單位的話那我們的預算是沒有辦法繼續的支持我還是希望委員能夠支持他們在第一線很辛苦比方說金馬辦的副執行長他就是兼職 他是個醫生啊所以不是都是綠油油啦"},{"start":817.847,"end":836.471,"text":"金馬辦的這個預算我已經看到是最少最少只有幾百萬其他的這種在一千萬以上的全部都是綠油油所以你承認除了金馬以外都是綠油油我沒有承認都是綠油油這些人都有他們的時機有他們的政績"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:23.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:24.462000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請張秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:24.462000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:31.704000+08:00","text":"請張秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:31.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:32.804000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:32.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:44.488000+08:00","text":"秘書長，昨天行政院宣布了育兒教育津貼的大禮包之後，其實社會大眾非常的關切，也有很多的媒體關切。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:45.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:47:54.431000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下，按照行政院的時程，這個所謂的大禮包是不是預計在明年1月1日可以上路？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:47:55.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:01.213000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為裡面牽涉到很多修法的部分，我們當然希望最快明年可以上路。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:01.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:02.513000+08:00","text":"好，最快明年，所以你們……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:03.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:05.175000+08:00","text":"也希望大家能夠支持修法，讓法可以快一點通過。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:05.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:32.057000+08:00","text":"事實上，國民黨黨團已經推出……在昨天的大禮包裡面，其實有很多的方案，這個package方案裡面，國民黨團已經提出來了，有關於修法的進度，基本上我們會支持，所以就是時程的問題，依照行政院的預定，如果修法的時程上大家有共識的話，明年1月1號可以上路。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:32.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:34.679000+08:00","text":"最快希望明年1月1號上路。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:34.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:48:49.709000+08:00","text":"另外請問一下，昨天行政院提出的方案，這個經費大概是2,000億元，但是現在在立法院提出來的116年預算裡面並沒有相關的編列，所以這2,000億在未來會用追加預算的方式嗎？","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:48:49.709000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:03.200000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:03.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:12.846000+08:00","text":"如果最後通過2,000億，也有可能更增加，比如說國民黨團提出來的package大概是2,400億左右，這個數字大概是2,000億到2,400億左右，未來對於這一筆預算，行政院的規劃是什麼？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:19.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:24.842000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，委員剛剛可能有點小小口誤，現在不是在審116年的預算，是審115年的預算。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:25.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:27.963000+08:00","text":"對、對，沒有錯。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:27.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:37.746000+08:00","text":"因為相關的幾個計畫確實牽涉到修法，修法的部分，如果明年可望上路的話，我們會放在116年的預算裡面。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:40.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:46.476000+08:00","text":"所以你會放在116年，也就是2027年的預算，就是明年的預算？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:47.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:50.317000+08:00","text":"明年的預算，如果修法通過的話，很快立法院也要審理了。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:50.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:55.818000+08:00","text":"因為你們是今年下半年提出明年的預算嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:55.818000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:56.818000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:55.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:58.259000+08:00","text":"所以並不需要用追加預算或者是其他方式，了解了。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:58.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:49:59.039000+08:00","text":"對於這2,000億元到2,500億元，現在行政院應該有一些規劃啦……","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:49:59.039000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:05.041000+08:00","text":"有規劃。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:05.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:10.923000+08:00","text":"因為我們提出來的是2,400億，行政院昨天提出來的大禮包是2,000億，這個金額不是差很多啦！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:11.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:12.664000+08:00","text":"希望委員支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:13.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:13.984000+08:00","text":"我們會支持啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:14.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:18.206000+08:00","text":"我們會支持，我們提出來的大禮包是2,400億。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:18.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:24.608000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我剛剛也有跟幾位委員報告，也不只有這一項，我們總共有18項措施，有新增的、有既有的，也有新增額加碼的，都希望委員可以支持。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:25.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:50:26.829000+08:00","text":"我知道、我知道，你們另外還有一些租稅的優惠。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:50:26.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:02.966000+08:00","text":"因為我的時間關係，我直接進入下一個議題，秘書長，最近國人最關心的事情，尤其在女性朋友方面，最關心的是針孔攝影，而且這個針孔攝影無所不在，也不是現在才發生，過去陸陸續續，不管是新聞報導上或在網路上都有看到，最近是發生在連鎖性醫美診所、坐月子中心或者大型商場的試衣間。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:06.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:51:44.142000+08:00","text":"其實早在去年的時候，臺北市政府對行政院有一個發函，希望能夠對針孔攝影機做個規範，當時臺北市政府提出來的是源頭性管理，比如在買賣的時候是不是採取實名制，那個發函是行政院秘書長回函的，當時你們援引國外的例子說，如果貿然進行源頭性管制，怕影響合法正常的運用。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:51:44.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:40.012000+08:00","text":"我當然理解，比如以現在使用這樣的攝影機來說，有些年輕的父母在看管小孩時有在使用或者是對寵物也有在使用，但是現在網路上隨便販賣、隨手可得的這種針孔攝影，你告訴我是為了要照顧寵物、照顧小孩，我是根本不會相信的，因為這已經設計到像是一根螺絲釘，我想你照顧小孩並不需要使用到像螺絲釘那樣的攝影機；或者是外型像USB的，看起來是插個USB，可是這裡面就有針孔攝影；又或者是看起來是個水杯，但是事實上對著你就是在拍你。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:40.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:52:49.359000+08:00","text":"所以我的意思是說，我們除了源頭管理之外，還應該要有專案管理，這是必須的。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:52:51.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:01.688000+08:00","text":"剛才您回答張宏陸委員時提到加強稽查，比如法務部，那個已經是犯罪了，如果是犯罪的話，當然從中央到地方的相關司法機關要介入。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:02.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:30.624000+08:00","text":"可是我們要課以業者，比如說平臺在做販賣的時候，這種產品明明一看就知道一定是屬於偷拍的，因為那種產品明顯就是要使用於偷拍的，或者是業者本身要有加強稽查的義務，這個都需要中央有一個規範。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:33.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:04.017000+08:00","text":"我有注意到卓榮泰院長說要加強平臺的管理看要不要做修法，另外，我也要求內政部能夠召集相關主管機關，這個主管機關很多，數發部、NCC、法務部，不是只有內政部而已，內政部也很善意，表示他們會來召集，因為最近這種事件層出不窮，所以我想請問一下行政院支不支持？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:05.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:14.222000+08:00","text":"委員，讓我說明一下，第一個，我本人已經召集了相關部會，包括法務部、NCC、經濟部、教育部……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:14.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:14.563000+08:00","text":"最近嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:15.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:39.544000+08:00","text":"最近已經召開過會議了，就幾個層面跟委員及國人說明：第一個，就個案的部分，我已經要求加強偵辦、加速辦理，所幸目前相關的監視設備，包括NAS等等，都已經扣押，目前是還沒有流出的狀況，但我們會密切關注，這是個案的部分。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:40.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:43.808000+08:00","text":"第二個，就場域的部分，目前都有法規可稽查、可罰。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:44.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:50.913000+08:00","text":"第三個，就行為的部分，我也請法務部跟相關單位研議是否加重刑責。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:50.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:55.077000+08:00","text":"第四個，在社會以及委員剛剛提到的設備部分，我也請包括財政部……","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:55.077000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:58.572000+08:00","text":"這應該是屬於經濟部。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:58.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:05.959000+08:00","text":"包括財政部、經濟部、NCC等，是否能夠做到加強溯源機制，加強溯源機制……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:05.959000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:09.623000+08:00","text":"溯源管理嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:09.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:11.244000+08:00","text":"為什麼我會回這個函呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:11.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:36.354000+08:00","text":"我舉一個例子，因為我實務上有去請教過相關的專家，在實務上有一種可能，也事實上存在，有一些受到家暴的女性朋友需要類似的設備來反偵搜、蒐證，以保護他的權利，如果很貿然地用實名制，又或者是我看到有幾位委員說原則禁止、例外怎麼樣，對他們來講可能也是另外一種傷害。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:37.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:48.084000+08:00","text":"沒有，基本上臺北市政府的建議是用實名制管理，這是防止……就是當他有犯罪的時候，可以溯源到就是……","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:48.084000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:49.084000+08:00","text":"所以跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:48.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:56.611000+08:00","text":"也讓平臺在販售的時候必須更加地謹慎，所以這個部分……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:56.611000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:57.611000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:57.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:15.365000+08:00","text":"因為我還有一個議題，所以這部分我希望行政院……我知道各部會現在都有動起來，因為這個事件真的滿嚴重，你可以看到，剛剛發生完一個這麼重大的醫美診所的事件，立刻大型商場繼續有這樣的偷拍，所以我們……","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:16.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:21.908000+08:00","text":"沒錯，所以在設備的源頭管理，我們也正在處理加強的方案。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:22.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:26.931000+08:00","text":"我要講的是，要讓所有的民眾有免於被偷拍的恐懼。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:26.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:31.272000+08:00","text":"當然，無論是男性、女性，這種偷拍的行為都是天理不容的。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:31.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:21.568000+08:00","text":"另外，在你們的報告裡面，我們看到你們把聯合服務中心的預算編回來，但是我在這邊要特別提到，聯合服務中心的預算在去年的時候立法院本來是全部刪除，後來用追加預算大概給了九百多萬，可是我要講的是，聯合服務中心裡面有關於人事的酬庸，到目前為止沒有任何的改變，各區服務中心的執行長也好、副執行長也好，幾乎全部一片綠油油，一片綠油油沒有改善也就算了，我也不能說算了啦，我會在預算裡面繼續監督啦！你看……","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:22.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:24.250000+08:00","text":"委員，莊競程是你過去的同事，陳錦倫當過鄉長……","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:24.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:25.250000+08:00","text":"他沒有……好了，我來講……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:24.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:25.691000+08:00","text":"他當鄉長的時候，臺茶五號的紅茶很有名，就是在他當鄉長任內promote的。","quality":0.618},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:25.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:27.132000+08:00","text":"來，這個莊競程沒有當過我同事啦，因為我可能進來的比較晚一點。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:36.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:37.100000+08:00","text":"所以呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:37.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:38.100000+08:00","text":"有啦，他上一屆的。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:37.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:17.604000+08:00","text":"後來他在大罷免期間，因為他說被刪了，操作啊，失掉執行長之後，中部聯合服務中心執行長大概懸缺了將近半年之久，我有去請教過，我們從去年到今年，中部聯合服務中心除了執行長辦公室因為沒有人之外，其他的業務服務照樣，然後他現在要去選舉，結果你們現在找誰來接任他？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:18.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:45.872000+08:00","text":"是原來的副執行長，因為他原來是擔任副執行長，可能大家沒有特別的重視，但過去包含黃國昌委員、陳琬惠委員都曾經質疑陳錦倫擔任雜糧發展基金會執行長的時候虛報公帑，他的狀況是怎樣呢？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:45.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:33.621000+08:00","text":"比方說他的報帳是他去參訪、訪問、拜會農糧署，結果農糧署並沒有他來訪的名單啊，還有包括這些高鐵票後來被證實不是出差，很多是回家的，還有他們補助社會團體做什麼方案或辦活動，結果這些團體最後交的報告根本是把其他活動拿來P圖，然後也不管，年年去做補助，所以後來兩個人雙雙都離開，包含當時的董事長跟執行長都離開了雜糧基金會。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:33.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:43.726000+08:00","text":"所以我要講的就是，你們今天不但是用綠友友，你剛剛講說陳錦倫怎樣、怎樣，他原來是不是你們民進黨南投縣的黨部主委？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:44.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:45.187000+08:00","text":"他原來是不是你們民進黨南投縣議員？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:45.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:47.528000+08:00","text":"議員之後去當雜糧發展基金會執行長，有沒有被人家抓包虛報公帑然後再還回去結案？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:57.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:00:17.404000+08:00","text":"我要講的是，如果今天整個聯合服務中心繼續這樣，執行長也好、副執行長也好，都是用綠友友、都是你們卸任的立委及議員，占據整個聯合服務中心，宛如另外一個黨部，我們沒有辦法支持。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T11:00:17.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:00:45.911000+08:00","text":"所以今天你們要爭取人事的預算，在過去一年我並沒有看到什麼樣的改善，我們真的沒有看到改善，如果你今天能夠在大家質疑的部分做改善，我們當然可以支持預算，可是如果今天繼續拿聯合服務中心作為你們的酬庸單位，我們沒有辦法繼續支持預算。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:00:46.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:00:54.837000+08:00","text":"委員，我還是希望委員能夠支持，他們在第一線很辛苦，比方金馬辦的副執行長，他就是兼職，他是一位醫生，所以不全都是綠友友。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-21T11:00:57.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:01:12.551000+08:00","text":"我看到金馬辦的預算是最少、最少的，只有幾百萬，其他在1,000萬以上的全部都是綠友友，所以你承認除了金馬以外都是綠友友。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:01:12.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:01:16.471000+08:00","text":"我沒有承認都是綠友友，這些人都有他們的實績及政績。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:01:16.971000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:01:18.685286+08:00","text":"現在休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:01:18.985286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:01:20.128143+08:00","text":"休息（11時1分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:01:20.428143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:01:22.142429+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時6分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:01:22.442429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:01:26.156714+08:00","text":"下一位請鍾佳濱委員發言質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}