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今天你質詢最大的賣點"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:12.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:12.950000+08:00","text":"主席以及各位先進，大家好。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:12.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:13.010000+08:00","text":"我想請兩位秘書長上來。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:13.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:13.170000+08:00","text":"請潘秘書長、吳秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:41.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:41.324000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:42.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:42.605000+08:00","text":"「沙啞」有比較好嗎？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:42.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:42.725000+08:00","text":"很好啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:43.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:43.606000+08:00","text":"現在是最好的時候。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:43.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:53:44.687000+08:00","text":"吳秘書長自從當了國安會秘書長幾乎都沒有來。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:53:56.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:08.238000+08:00","text":"我先請教吳秘書長，對於這次川普到大陸去，你們有沒有全程掌握他的行蹤、他的講話？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:09.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:09.439000+08:00","text":"有沒有全程掌握？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:10.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:13.701000+08:00","text":"我們是儘量在掌握，也掌握很多相關的訊息。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:14.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:16.664000+08:00","text":"你知不知道他會一離開以後就打電話給高市早苗？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:16.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:17.124000+08:00","text":"打電話給李在明？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:17.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:17.684000+08:00","text":"這個都有掌握到吧？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:22.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:26.860000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們是了解的，而且他在事前也透過……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:26.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:28.240000+08:00","text":"事前有跟你們講嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:28.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:30.901000+08:00","text":"到日本去的時候，相關的訊息我們有掌握。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:31.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:39.285000+08:00","text":"你們有掌握到他要跟治理臺灣的領導者講話嗎？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:39.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:41.045000+08:00","text":"有這句話嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:41.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:43.306000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們事後才看到。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:43.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:44.647000+08:00","text":"事前沒有掌握啦！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:46.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:54:54.337000+08:00","text":"我所了解的，他打電話給高市、打電話給李在明，你們也沒有掌握，也是事後才知道，不是這樣嗎？","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:54:54.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:01.839000+08:00","text":"說要打給「the person that's running Taiwan」，那個人──賴清德總統，你們也沒有掌握？","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:02.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:05.560000+08:00","text":"都是事後才知道，你跟我們一樣，看報紙才知道的，不是這樣嗎？","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:05.560000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:07.528000+08:00","text":"秘書長，是不是這樣？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:07.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:12.309000+08:00","text":"有關於委員說的，可能跟事實不太一致。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:12.309000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:15.910000+08:00","text":"那你講一下，什麼地方不一致？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:15.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:27.132000+08:00","text":"針對川習會這個部分，我們事前有做過很多研析，也跟美方保持非常密切的聯絡，所以對於很多資訊都有相當的掌握。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:28.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:34.274000+08:00","text":"我請教潘秘書長，川普總統到現在為止有沒有打電話給賴總統？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:35.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:37.219000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有接到這個訊息。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:37.219000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:39.642000+08:00","text":"有在等嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:39.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:50.538000+08:00","text":"因為是他要離開北京上空軍1號的時候提過一次，昨天晚上又提了一次，但我們今天早上就來這裡了，我現在還沒回府內……","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:51.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:54.681000+08:00","text":"請問他要先跟吳秘書長講，還是跟你講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:54.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:56.302000+08:00","text":"一定是國安單位先處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:57.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:55:59.044000+08:00","text":"先跟國安單位講，再轉到你這裡？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:55:59.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:03.427000+08:00","text":"因為裡面涉及到元首的部分，有些保密或是通話……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:04.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:17.777000+08:00","text":"現在有一個講法，running Taiwan現在來講可能是賴總統，可能是卓院長，可能是AIT的谷立言，這三個都有可能，是不是這樣？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:17.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:18.498000+08:00","text":"喔，你也同意喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:19.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:19.358000+08:00","text":"不是啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:19.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:20.759000+08:00","text":"你也同意這樣喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:21.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:22.280000+08:00","text":"你當然不同意啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:22.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:23.300000+08:00","text":"你說就是賴清德啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:23.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:23.440000+08:00","text":"當然啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:25.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:25.021000+08:00","text":"這樣才對。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:25.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:31.984000+08:00","text":"他應該會問過他們主管臺灣事務的人，然後了解背景之後，再來跟臺灣領導者談。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:31.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:36.446000+08:00","text":"我提醒兩位，他如果真的打電話給賴清德，這個算不算外交突破？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:36.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:36.746000+08:00","text":"請問國安會吳秘書長。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:42.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:50.669000+08:00","text":"的確在臺美的溝通過程當中，如果說層級能夠往上走的話，對我們臺灣來講是重要的。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:51.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:56:58.453000+08:00","text":"因為過去他打給蔡英文前總統，那時候他還不是總統，對吧？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:56:59.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:01.254000+08:00","text":"現在兩個都是現任總統，是外交突破！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:01.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:04.856000+08:00","text":"可是我們更在乎的是他講什麼內容。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:05.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:14.982000+08:00","text":"今天我們期待的是發價書趕快給我們，他講的是：我可能會、可能不會；我要跟那個人談。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:14.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:18.005000+08:00","text":"他也不講什麼人，就是「那個人」，running Taiwan那個人、治理臺灣的人！","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:18.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:21.468000+08:00","text":"這樣一來的話，我們就有理由擔心，他如果要簽LOA（Letter of Offer and Acceptance發價書），那就簽就好啦！","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:21.468000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:22.468000+08:00","text":"為什麼還要打電話？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:21.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:24.130000+08:00","text":"打電話就表示說他再簽可能會打折扣，可能會說：不好意思喔！","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:38.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:40.344000+08:00","text":"Mr. Lai，可能我們簽一半；Mr. Lai，可能等到我期中選舉完畢以後我再簽；這個可能性有沒有？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:40.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:57:52.645000+08:00","text":"吳秘書長，有沒有？請講。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:57:53.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:02.810000+08:00","text":"有關於臺美之間，不管是軍購或者是其他邦交關係的議題，都要去看結構。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:03.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:19.176000+08:00","text":"如果去看結構的話，不管是國務院的發言人，或者是國安會這些相關人員，甚至是盧比歐國務卿，還有美國駐中國的大使，每一個都出來跟我們講，就是對臺政策不變，仍然是依照臺灣關係法……","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:19.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:19.777000+08:00","text":"好，你沒有回答我的問題。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:21.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:25.858000+08:00","text":"委員說的這個議題，對我們來講就是在這個架構裡面的一個議題，沒有改變。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:27.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:32.640000+08:00","text":"或者是說，都給你，但前提是你不搞臺獨我才賣！","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:32.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:34.580000+08:00","text":"你搞臺獨我就不賣！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:34.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:35.740000+08:00","text":"有可能嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:35.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:47.263000+08:00","text":"委員知道得非常清楚，我是第一個被中國制裁的，但是他制裁錯了，就是我是維持現狀的，我們臺灣政府現在也是維持現狀的，我們是要維持中華民國現狀的。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:47.263000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:48.263000+08:00","text":"來，我再提醒你們，因為我的時間到了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:47.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:47.684000+08:00","text":"所以我們沒有所謂臺獨的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:47.684000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:48.684000+08:00","text":"主席，再給我1分鐘。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:47.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:48.464000+08:00","text":"所以委員能夠很清楚地知道這個事情。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:48.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:49.585000+08:00","text":"所以你不搞臺獨了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:49.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:50.125000+08:00","text":"我們就是要捍衛現狀，避免現狀被改變。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:50.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:50.666000+08:00","text":"現狀不是臺獨？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:50.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:50.986000+08:00","text":"我們要維持現狀。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:50.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:51.126000+08:00","text":"現狀不是臺獨？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:51.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:51.686000+08:00","text":"在中國的定義之下，連中華民國都是臺獨啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:58:51.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:58:52.147000+08:00","text":"那你就抗議啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:14.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:15.984000+08:00","text":"你們就要抗議說中華民國不是臺獨。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:15.984000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:16.984000+08:00","text":"在他們的定義之下，中華民國就是臺獨。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:16.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:16.944000+08:00","text":"你要想，為什麼110億……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:16.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:17.385000+08:00","text":"我們就是要維持現狀。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:17.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:17.825000+08:00","text":"可是不是這樣說啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:17.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:19.386000+08:00","text":"賴總統禮拜天下午就說了，他說現狀是臺獨，是他說的啊！","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:19.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:21.008000+08:00","text":"110億可以不打電話，為什麼140億美金要打電話？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:40.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:42.024000+08:00","text":"就表示要打折扣啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:42.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:48.366000+08:00","text":"如果要給就簽下去就好啦！","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:49.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:59:49.907000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T10:59:50.167000+08:00","guess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here！","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:02:28.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:02:28.825000+08:00","text":"我在這裡！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:02:28.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:02:29.305000+08:00","text":"你們也問一下我的意見，讓我出聲一下！","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:02:29.305000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:02:30.305000+08:00","text":"I'm here！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:02:29.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:02:29.725000+08:00","text":"怎麼會他們兩個人就這樣決定？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:02:29.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:02:29.805000+08:00","text":"那是要怎麼樣？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:02:29.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:02:30.265000+08:00","text":"到底是怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:02:30.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:02:55.234000+08:00","text":"我們說主權獨立說得很大聲、很有氣魄，昨天520賴總統說得很大聲，臺灣講了幾十次，有人說是六十幾次，有人說50次，我都算了，總共就是51次，中華民國就講一次，中華民國臺灣講了一次還兩次，這個東西都沒關係，他高興就好。","quality":0.807},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:02:55.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:02:55.954000+08:00","text":"說得這麼大聲，結果當世界都定調、都看到是美中共管臺灣，我們都「安靜無聲」，就是可憐！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:03:12.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:03:12.666000+08:00","text":"就是可憐！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:03:13.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:03:15.269000+08:00","text":"拜託你們兩位跟你們老闆講一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T11:03:15.269000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:03:16.269000+08:00","text":"不、不，讓我們回答。好啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:03:16.269000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:03:17.269000+08:00","text":"可以讓你回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T11:03:16.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:03:20.054000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝賴委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T11:03:20.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:03:51.779000+08:00","text":"關於第一個問題，前年Halifax International Security Forum在臺灣第一次召開的時候，我受邀去那邊致詞、去那邊講話，當時也有人問我有關於臺灣是不是偷了美國的晶片，我說得非常清楚，而且都還有公開的紀錄，就是說我們臺灣是誠實的生意人，我們不偷不搶，我們做這種科技研發，會偷、會搶的另有其人。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:03:51.779000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:03:52.779000+08:00","text":"太多時間了，主席，你要讓他講？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:03:52.779000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:03:53.779000+08:00","text":"這不算我的時間，是他的喔！","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T11:03:53.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:03:53.899000+08:00","text":"這是第一個問題。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T11:03:53.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:19.477000+08:00","text":"委員說的第二個問題，有關於共管的問題，其實所有第一島鏈以及美國、歐洲等等大家都知道，發生問題的、製造問題的、製造困擾的、要改變現狀的是中國，所以大家要團結起來，去共管中國所可能造成的風險。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:19.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:19.618000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:21.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:24.940000+08:00","text":"沒有，我是在提醒你，現在川習會以後就是他們兩大神仙共管我們臺灣，結果我們都「安靜無聲」，對於這樣的狀況要發聲。","quality":0.646},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:24.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:28.222000+08:00","text":"至於那個小偷的事情，拜託國安會，這個預算我支持你，去登報紙啦，The New York Times還是The Washington Post，就去登報。","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:29.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:29.782000+08:00","text":"都還在紀錄上面。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:30.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:48.272000+08:00","text":"應該是他每講一次，你就登一次，每講一次登一次，這個錢絕對支持。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:48.272000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:49.272000+08:00","text":"預算你要支持。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:49.272000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:50.272000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴士葆賴委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:48.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:48.832000+08:00","text":"這個預算絕對支持，他每講一次，我們就登一次。謝謝。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:48.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:49.933000+08:00","text":"你能不能承諾？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:49.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:50.013000+08:00","text":"來，承諾一下！好，來！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:50.013000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:51.474000+08:00","text":"他每講一次我們是小偷，我們就登報一次。","quality":0.294},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:51.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:53.134000+08:00","text":"你聽進去就對了，他說預算都要支持。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:53.134000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:54.134000+08:00","text":"我要支持你們。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:54.134000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:55.134000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝委員支持我們國安會的預算。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:53.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:53.975000+08:00","text":"不是、不是，你要承諾我啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:04:54.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:04:54.315000+08:00","text":"他只要講一次，你就登一次。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:12.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:15.418000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝委員支持我們國安會的預算。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:15.418000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:16.418000+08:00","text":"你沒回答！","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:16.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:19.784000+08:00","text":"我剛剛已經說了，我之前所說的都在紀錄上面。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:19.784000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:20.784000+08:00","text":"現在人家每天一直說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:19.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:19.944000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴士葆委員的詢答。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:20.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:21.526000+08:00","text":"我給你3倍的時間有3個原因，你知道嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:21.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:23.668000+08:00","text":"第一，你們老朋友很久沒見面了，這是第一點；第二，預算要支持他；第三個，今天你質詢最大的賣點就是你的第一張投影片，帥到嚇死人！","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:24.168000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:25.596571+08:00","text":"帥得不得了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:25.896571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:31.039429+08:00","text":"接下來陳冠廷委員，陳冠廷委員、陳冠廷委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:31.339429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:47.339429+08:00","text":"所有登記發言的委員均已發言完畢，詢答結束；委員質詢時要求提供的相關資料或以書面答復者，請相關機關儘速送交個別委員及本會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:05:47.639429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:05:56.210857+08:00","text":"委員蔡其昌所提書面質詢列入紀錄，刊登公報，並請相關機關以書面答復。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}