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一起來努力我跟委員簡單回覆齁我很多的親戚也是老師也是在基層的教育現場齁這個您所提到的問題確實"},{"start":454.747,"end":484.067,"text":"我想我們都應該要很正面的去面對那感謝立法院齁在能夠同意省今年度的總預算的時候也有一個決議協商也有一個決議說要在半年之內提出對於軍公教相關待遇的改善的方案大家來協商那我想委員的建議我們會行政團隊內部會來一起來考量好謝謝我希望得到秘書長主動積極的聯繫啦然後可以告訴我說大概你今天我們對話完之後你回去之後著急然後往哪個方向推動希望可以"},{"start":485.108,"end":491.063,"text":"不管是書面的資料也好或各方面的資料,可以有個回覆啦如果有個進度,我再跟委員報告跟聯絡好,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:15:05.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:15:05.371000+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:15:05.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:15:06.152000+08:00","text":"麻煩請行政院秘書長，謝謝。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:15:12.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:15:13.952000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:15:13.952000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:15:14.952000+08:00","text":"秘書長好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:15:13.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:15:21.318000+08:00","text":"昨天賴總統還有卓院長都有提到，即將要提一個解決少子化問題的計畫，0到18歲……","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:15:21.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:15:23.499000+08:00","text":"我更正一下，少子女化。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:15:23.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:15:49.338000+08:00","text":"一個月5,000塊，因為國民黨在前兩天也有提一個類似的，內容稍微不一樣，國民黨的版本是0到15歲，一個月5,000塊，然後加強對0到6歲的照顧，所以會有托育的補助及健保費的補助，但是方向是一致的，所以這個東西我覺得大家討論起來應該會滿順利的，而且大家應該都支持。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:15:51.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:16:15.872000+08:00","text":"0到18歲的小朋友，除了家庭支持之外，其實另外一個很重要的就是也需要學校支持，因為他很大一段時間都會待在學校，但是現在教育現場也出現了一個很大的狀況，所以我也需要行政院……因為今天秘書長來，難得跟秘書長有對話機會，秘書長是統籌各部會，所以能不能也一起來推動解決教育現場的問題？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:16:16.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:16:21.814000+08:00","text":"目前教育現場有一個很大的問題，就是少師化，少師化有多嚴重呢？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:16:22.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:16:34.118000+08:00","text":"就是不只很多學校招不到老師，代理老師都要招聘好幾次可能才招得到，因為後面招聘進來的老師可能待一下又離開了，所以不斷在進行招老師的動作。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:16:34.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:16:42.242000+08:00","text":"有兩個原因：第一個是有非常多老師剛好退休，第二個是年輕人不願意投入老師這個行業。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:16:42.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:16:43.662000+08:00","text":"根據研究指出……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:16:43.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:16:53.707000+08:00","text":"委員，我再幫你補充第三個原因，尤其是目前無論是大專院校又或者是國教系統，因為臺灣科技業的發達，所以前陣子有自然科學或理工科老師比較缺乏。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:16:57.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:10.673000+08:00","text":"對，我現在就要講，對啦，秘書長，不用急，我現在就要講，尤其是像理化、資訊科技的老師特別缺，就是您剛剛講的，因為像AI，他們的薪水都比較高，所以跟待遇也有關係。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:12.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:16.537000+08:00","text":"所以大概有幾個原因：第一個是待遇，就是被你先補充的，第二個……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:16.537000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:17.698000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:17.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:19.379000+08:00","text":"第二個是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:19.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:20.260000+08:00","text":"去年通過的強化韌性預算……","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:20.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:21.121000+08:00","text":"等一下啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:21.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:26.024000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我都還沒有發問，今天大家是理性的溝通，不是你表演的場合啦！","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:26.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:26.685000+08:00","text":"我是謝謝你啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:26.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:27.145000+08:00","text":"因為我跟你講，你剛剛許忠信……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:27.145000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:28.145000+08:00","text":"因為去年強化韌性預算對大專院校的工科老師部分有給予補助。","quality":0.185},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:28.145000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:29.145000+08:00","text":"等一下！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:27.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:28.046000+08:00","text":"等一下！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:17:33.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:17:46.013000+08:00","text":"許忠信委員剛剛在這邊質詢你，在討論卓榮泰院長有沒有違法不副署，然後你就回說那你覺得違法就倒閣啊！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-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"2026-05-21T11:22:28.614000+08:00","text":"以上幾個建議都是針對教育現場，希望秘書長可以多協調各部會，我們一起來努力。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:22:29.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:22:56.480000+08:00","text":"跟委員簡單回復，我很多的親戚也是老師、也是在基層的教育現場，您所提到的問題確實我們都應該要很正面的去面對，感謝立法院能夠在同意審今年度總預算的時候，也作成決議說要在半年之內提出對於軍公教相關待遇改善的方案，大家來協商，我想委員的建議，我們行政團隊內部會一起來考量。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:22:56.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:23:11.156000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，我希望得到秘書長主動積極的聯繫，然後可以告訴我，今天我們對話完之後、您回去之後召集往哪個方向推動，不管是書面資料或各方面資料，都可以有個回復。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"張秘書長惇涵","start":"2026-05-21T11:23:11.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:23:14.043000+08:00","text":"如果有個進度，我再跟委員報告跟聯絡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-05-21T11:23:14.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T11:23:14.063000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T11:23:14.563000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T11:23:17.705857+08:00","text":"下一位請楊瓊瓔委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}