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謝謝經濟部接下來我們有請邱惠勳"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:30:43.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:30:51.588000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請內政部以及農業部的部長，還有內政部次長、經濟部次長，請幾位長官一起來。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T12:30:53.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:30:57.492000+08:00","text":"好，有請內政部、農業部跟經濟部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:30:58.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:30:58.273000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:00.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:03.918000+08:00","text":"農業部部長，請問你們編無人機的預算編多少？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:06.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:06.860000+08:00","text":"我記得應該是兩億吧。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:07.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:09.302000+08:00","text":"不只兩億啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:11.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:11.143000+08:00","text":"什麼兩億？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:11.143000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:13.605000+08:00","text":"你隨便講講。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:13.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:17.729000+08:00","text":"我如果沒有記錯的話，不過這個資訊我回去確認後再跟委員報告。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:18.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:21.172000+08:00","text":"農業部有幾十億，怎麼會兩億呢？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:21.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:22.072000+08:00","text":"內政部編多少？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"吳次長堂安","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:25.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:29.977000+08:00","text":"委員好，我們內政部是編兩億五千多萬。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:29.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:30.438000+08:00","text":"你們整體編28億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳次長堂安","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:30.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:38.710000+08:00","text":"我報告的是無人載具的。28億喔。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳次長堂安","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:38.710000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:39.710000+08:00","text":"應該沒那麼多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:39.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:41.872000+08:00","text":"農業部也是幾十億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳次長堂安","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:41.872000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:42.872000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:42.872000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:43.872000+08:00","text":"沒有那麼多啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳次長堂安","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:42.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:43.353000+08:00","text":"我們編兩億多，我們是包含……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:43.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:47.095000+08:00","text":"你查一下，我們查是28億，內政部你可能不知道。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳次長堂安","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:47.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:31:59.462000+08:00","text":"我們無人機經費是預計規劃採購289架，所以大概兩億多，而且是用在國家公園署、警政、消防。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:31:59.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:32:00.783000+08:00","text":"農業部的無人機用在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:32:02.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:32:13.918000+08:00","text":"我們最主要是在應用端，包括從我們的無人機做航照以後就做地面判視、做無人機的噴藥、做無人機的巡檢等。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:32:13.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:32:14.899000+08:00","text":"就是噴農藥啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:32:19.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:32:20.121000+08:00","text":"好，部長跟次長請回。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:32:21.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:32:40.017000+08:00","text":"何次長留下來，因為跟你經濟部很有關係，無人機整個的發展，現在已經提到機器人，你們現在要打造所謂的百億機器人，這個很多人就提到，這都是大陸的機器人貼牌啊！","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:32:41.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:32:45.658000+08:00","text":"比例高達七、八成以上，你們現在有沒有去了解這個東西？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T12:32:45.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:33:13.112000+08:00","text":"目前我們有一個機器人的發展計畫，也是結合跨部會，就是包括國科會、數位部，還有經濟部，大家一起共同來執行，我們在沙崙也有一個機器人的研發中心，然後……","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:33:13.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:33:14.473000+08:00","text":"好，我現在跟你講，你們機器人要5年內投入產能從40億到500億。是。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:33:14.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:33:29.306000+08:00","text":"不管機器人或者無人機，有一個很重要的概念，就是現在政府要推動非紅供應鏈。是。","quality":0.853},{"speake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in China，所以真的要擺脫非紅供應鏈，你是一個一個拆嗎？","quality":0.685},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:35:33.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:35:33.835000+08:00","text":"你怎麼做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:35:36.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:35:40.318000+08:00","text":"你怎麼做到確保我們的零組件都是非紅？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T12:35:42.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:35:48.942000+08:00","text":"當然我們有訂一個標準，我們這個無人機也成立一個海外商機聯盟……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:35:49.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:35:49.903000+08:00","text":"我的時間到了，你要簡短一點講。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T12:35:51.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:35:56.646000+08:00","text":"好，聯盟的廠商其實都是MIT的廠商，而且他也可以有整機製造的能力，確保……","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:35:57.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:36:05.795000+08:00","text":"我剛才給你一個數字了，你再回頭來看，這個全世界最多的是中國大陸的。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:36:05.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:36:31.420000+08:00","text":"我們再看第二張，所以我跟你講有一個做法，我現在告訴你這一張，這是臺銀共同供應契約，以前的中信局，訓練用的單價3.4萬、空拍用的25.2萬、初階巡檢用的51萬、高階巡檢用的63.6萬、遠距監視用的111萬、運輸用的135萬。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:36:31.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:36:43.823000+08:00","text":"這個都是透過我們公家的臺銀共同供應契約，以前的中信局，這樣子就可以真的確保做到非紅供應鏈，這個作法可以嗎？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T12:36:44.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:36:57.487000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，工程會已經針對怎麼樣確保我們政府機關採購的這些無人機裡面有非紅供應鏈的產品制定了一個指引。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T12:36:58.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:01.748000+08:00","text":"未來我們在做公共工程共同採購的時候，各部會就要確保採購的無人機一定要符合這樣的標準。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:06.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:06.910000+08:00","text":"你就告訴我，是不是未來都要採取這個？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:06.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:08.351000+08:00","text":"乾脆你經濟部要發展，我們通通統一規範，經濟部做肉粽頭，你要來整個帶領，產業發展是經濟部的事……當然。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:08.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:25.281000+08:00","text":"你們帶領，然後未來的對外採購是用這種叫共同供應契約，這樣子純度才夠，否則的話我跟你打包票，你做不到非紅供應鏈。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:25.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:25.821000+08:00","text":"是，我們現在政府的採購就是朝著非紅供應鏈這樣的採購標準。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:26.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:42.874000+08:00","text":"你回答我，要不要透過這個共同供應契約？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:42.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:43.795000+08:00","text":"我就問這個題目啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:44.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:44.797000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯，是這樣子。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:44.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:46.739000+08:00","text":"就是這樣子，百分之百喔。沒錯。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:46.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:51.544000+08:00","text":"百分之百透過共同供應契約，我就問你這一點，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:51.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:52.725000+08:00","text":"否則你做不到，這個我敢打包票絕對做不到。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:52.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:52.765000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:52.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:53.546000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝賴士葆委員，謝謝經濟部。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T12:37:53.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:37:53.806000+08:00","text":"接下來我們有請邱慧洳委員質詢。","quality":0.571}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}