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這個就很單純啊所以妳保證妳可以做得好嗎妳就保證就好了啊妳保證什麼嘛 保證什麼保證妳的品質啊 妳的施政品質啊我想整個農田的富裕它有不同的階段性的部分然後該給當地的地區的這些灌溉排水的清淤我們也已經做到了對 妳就保證嘛 妳就說我100%可以做到保證我的施政品質好嘛施政品質我相信我們一定是盡我們的努力去做的"},{"start":579.156,"end":602.163,"text":"好 OK 那其他兩位呢 敢掛保證嗎 要不然我們花蓮的居民可能就會掛掉我想剛剛我們農業部長陳部長已經講很多了那我們大概就是做好最主的準備最好的準備嘛那災害因為在那個極端氣候在那個大自然面前我們還是保持謙卑那災害我們我想能夠做就盡量做 但是我們的預警機制也要把它做好"},{"start":602.623,"end":612.211,"text":"當然 入境機制就是取決於政府有沒有積極的雷厲風行的一個故事啦大家一起來把生活自己的家園好不好是 好 來 下一個國土署"},{"start":614.111,"end":637.178,"text":"國土組這邊跟縣政府這邊有來合作就是確保既有的設施發揮它的防洪功能是是是 所以這算是一種保證嗎好 謝謝三位主管的保證保證你們會做好施政的品質那我們就期待汛期來的時候我們的水箱折果的情形不要說完全的根絕但是至少沒有像上個禮拜這麼淒慘好 以上說明 謝謝好 謝謝春日綠"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:38:14.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:38:15.403000+08:00","text":"好，有請農業部部長，有請國土署署長。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T12:38:15.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:38:16.265000+08:00","text":"有請農業部跟國土署。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:38:23.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:38:23.065000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:38:23.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:38:25.146000+08:00","text":"是，部長跟署長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:38:26.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:38:28.808000+08:00","text":"我今天是想跟兩位請教，大雨來襲如何治水的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:38:29.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:38:33.051000+08:00","text":"上個禮拜花蓮縣的光復鄉大雨滂沱，到處淹水形成一片水鄉澤國的慘況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:38:33.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:38:55.646000+08:00","text":"我希望我們政府官員面對這樣的慘況，能夠發揮人飢己飢、人溺己溺的精神。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:38:56.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:39:03.334000+08:00","text":"我這邊想要請教農業部部長，佛祖街淹水的原因是什麼？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:39:03.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:39:18.009000+08:00","text":"據我了解，整個淹水大概分兩個部分，一個部分是區域排水的部分，另外一個部分是當初的土堤，就是排水溝有一些淤積，大概分兩個部分。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:39:18.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:39:23.652000+08:00","text":"好，那請問一下淤積的泥土是從哪邊來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:39:23.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:39:27.394000+08:00","text":"淤積的泥土，我相信應該是當初馬太鞍溪淹進去的時候的這些泥沙。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:39:28.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:39:45.621000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯，罪魁禍首其實就是來自於馬太鞍溪潰堤帶過來的泥土，這些泥土又堆積在農田上面，大雨一來就把這些泥土沖進排水道裡面，所以造成這麼嚴重的淹水。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:39:46.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:40:04.871000+08:00","text":"我現在想請問，到底這樣的淤泥，因為總不能每次下雨的時候這些泥土完全都管不住，就跑到排水道裡面去，因為畢竟這個泥土的淤積高度，剛聽到有三、四公尺，甚至有高達五、六公尺。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:40:06.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:40:07.433000+08:00","text":"請問一下這個淤泥要怎麼處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:40:08.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:40:20.820000+08:00","text":"淤泥部分的清除，我想很多相關的治理大概是中央跟地方一起合作，其實剛才有一些委員提供的簡報也看得出來，縣市政府這邊可能有一些進度需要去加強。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:40:22.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:40:30.745000+08:00","text":"清淤的部分是水利署在處理的，以農業部來講，我們是針對農田的復原，讓它能夠重新種植。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:40:30.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:40:32.286000+08:00","text":"理解，那我們要不要請國土署來說明？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-21T12:40:36.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:40:56.455000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，如果是排水路周邊的泥土的話，我們會依照上次我們跟縣政府現勘的，會把周邊排水路的淤土再往後面去清，就是說我們會做一個比較緩衝的空間，在我們既有的這個聯外的農田水路會做一個緩衝……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:40:56.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:41:15.242000+08:00","text":"我了解，我是覺得當然你有提到中央的責任與縣市政府的責任，我覺得不要完全的把責任往縣市政府的方向推，因為縣市政府雖然他們是執行者，但是中央其實也是一個監督者，所以如果地方執行……","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:41:15.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:41:17.143000+08:00","text":"我們一直強調中央跟地方一起合作。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:41:17.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:41:20.865000+08:00","text":"是，我覺得這種相輔相成的態度，我們樂見其成。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:41:21.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:41:30.349000+08:00","text":"我更想請教的就是，有沒有一些事前預防跟事後加強的動作出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:41:30.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:41:43.235000+08:00","text":"因為我們知道桃園治水滿有成效的，其實他們有一些事前定期的巡查跟定期的清淤，然後甚至會把這些結果公告在網路上，公告周知讓大家了解狀況。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:41:44.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:41:45.357000+08:00","text":"對於一些比較容易淹水的熱點，他們當下會加強巡查、加強清淤。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:41:45.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:41:46.038000+08:00","text":"不知道花蓮縣政府、中央在監督上有沒有加強這一點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-21T12:42:00.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:42:14.374000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們大概這一、兩個月跟縣政府去看過很多次，由不同的長官帶隊，有政務委員，也有李孟諺顧問。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-21T12:42:14.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:42:20.581000+08:00","text":"主要的問題就是我們現在已經跟縣政府確定好哪些地方在汛期的時候一定要清的位置。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-21T12:42:21.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:42:41.841000+08:00","text":"另外，就是剛剛我提到那個緩衝的部分，會先做一個類似緩衝的綠帶，低地先讓它做沉砂，要先做沉砂，後續的管控就是縣政府會依照實際上的雨量，如果真的緩衝到一個時間沒辦法的話，他必須要去拉警戒線，就是說這個部分也必須要去封堵這些道路。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:42:42.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:42:42.541000+08:00","text":"好，了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:42:42.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:42:54.451000+08:00","text":"我有看到中央在監督，從你的話語當中有監督，但可不可以給我們一些書面報告，就是如何監督，監督的時程跟力道可不可以呈現出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:42:56.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:42:59.775000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜之後把報告交到我們這邊來。好。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:43:02.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:43:06.040000+08:00","text":"可以請工程會副主委，有來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:43:10.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:43:11.959000+08:00","text":"我可以跟副主委請教嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:43:11.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:43:14.842000+08:00","text":"阿陶莫部落淹水的原因是什麼？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"李副主任委員怡德","start":"2026-05-21T12:43:14.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:43:27.074000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，阿陶莫那邊大概現在是內政部國土署有補助花蓮縣政府，那邊有4條縣管的排水，會接到花蓮溪，因為那個工程現在正在進行當中……","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:43:27.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:43:29.397000+08:00","text":"好，我知道，沒關係，因為時間有限我直接破題。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:43:30.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:43:47.832000+08:00","text":"行政院顧問李孟諺提到，會淹水最主要的原因是因為那邊有施工，然後施工有一個7公尺寬的出入口，結果大雨就由這個施工的缺口淹到阿陶莫部落。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:43:49.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:43:52.255000+08:00","text":"我只是想問7公尺寬的出入口是一個標準作業嗎？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:43:53.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:43:57.020000+08:00","text":"這是行政院顧問提的答案版本。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李副主任委員怡德","start":"2026-05-21T12:43:57.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:05.362000+08:00","text":"因為那段是在瑪韃娜溪的背水堤，在汛期來前先用鋼板樁施作，他施作就是設計480公尺……","quality":0.629},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:05.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:07.143000+08:00","text":"沒關係，7公尺寬的出入口就是呈現在我們眼前嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副主任委員怡德","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:07.143000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:08.143000+08:00","text":"他那個是因為機具要下去……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:07.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:08.383000+08:00","text":"那淹水這個就是導因，現在導因就7公尺寬的出入口是標準作業嗎？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"李副主任委員怡德","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:17.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:21.251000+08:00","text":"那是施工便道的出入口，所以他是預留讓機具可以下去……","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:21.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:25.677000+08:00","text":"現在問題是大雨滂沱，難道都不需要做一些防護措施嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副主任委員怡德","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:25.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:27.320000+08:00","text":"現在已經補起來，當天縣政府……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:27.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:27.720000+08:00","text":"不是啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:27.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:32.847000+08:00","text":"當天就沒有補，所以雨就是這樣子沖刷下去，造成水鄉澤國的淹水，有沒有人要負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:36.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:38.032000+08:00","text":"7公尺寬是不是標準作業？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:38.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:39.133000+08:00","text":"顯然不是標準作業嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:39.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:40.775000+08:00","text":"那誰要為這個疏失來負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副主任委員怡德","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:40.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:45.080000+08:00","text":"這個施工便道沒有什麼標準作業，只是說那邊有一個缺口，因為他設計就480公尺……","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:45.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:46.842000+08:00","text":"那7公尺會不會太寬？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:46.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:49.885000+08:00","text":"然後遇到大雨來襲是不是要做一些防護措施？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:50.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:44:53.829000+08:00","text":"當然出入口是必要的，否則怎麼進行施工，有沒有人要負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副主任委員怡德","start":"2026-05-21T12:44:55.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:45:01.246000+08:00","text":"我想暫時我還不知道這個是要負責什麼啦，因為那個必須還是要讓……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:45:01.246000+08:00","guessed":fals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3位能不能給我們掛保證？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:45:49.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:45:53.332000+08:00","text":"我要的是一個掛保證，因為沒有掛保證，那裡的居民就會掛掉，他們的財產就會掛掉，他們的心情就會掛掉，說不定人民還會掛掉。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:45:53.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:45:53.853000+08:00","text":"來，ABC 3個可不可以掛保證？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:07.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:09.085000+08:00","text":"搶答看誰最先回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:09.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:10.527000+08:00","text":"要保證什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:10.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:14.250000+08:00","text":"保證就是惡夢不會重演，水鄉澤國淹水……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:14.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:16.512000+08:00","text":"天然災害是一個不可預測的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:16.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:19.415000+08:00","text":"不是，那可以人為的動作來做防護啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:19.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:20.776000+08:00","text":"我們以農業部來講……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:20.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:25.361000+08:00","text":"我剛剛已經說過了，官員要人飢己飢，人溺己溺……","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:25.361000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:26.361000+08:00","text":"這個絕對是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:25.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:26.622000+08:00","text":"總不能他們溺在那邊，然後我們在這邊……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:29.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:32.386000+08:00","text":"但是天然災害有它的高度不確定性，它的雨量……","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:32.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:36.349000+08:00","text":"沒有人能夠防止天災來臨，但是可以做好防護措施。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:36.349000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:37.349000+08:00","text":"對，我們一定是盡我們的能力……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:36.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:38.750000+08:00","text":"防護措施做得好不好，就是取決於行政官員有沒有用心地去處理，採取因應措施。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:38.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:39.750000+08:00","text":"以農業部來講，我們會處理的是有關於農地的……","quality":0.053},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:39.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:39.431000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，時間到了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:39.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:46:59.105000+08:00","text":"我今天得到一個結論，就是三個主管不敢下保證，那我們就希望災情來的時候，居民不要掛掉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:46:59.105000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:00.306500+08:00","text":"我不知道到底要保證什麼啊！","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:00.306500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:01.508000+08:00","text":"就像我剛才說的，這是天然災害，當降雨量大的時候……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:01.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:05.092000+08:00","text":"就是淹水啊、水箱啊、淤泥跑到排水道啊，七公尺寬的出入口造成淹水的主因，這未來要怎麼排放啊？","quality":0.725},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:05.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:18.786000+08:00","text":"你現在問的是農業部，我針對農業部負責任的說，我們一定會對農田的復育加速去做，這個很單純啊！","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:19.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:20.986000+08:00","text":"所以你保證你可以做得好嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:21.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:21.707000+08:00","text":"你保證就好啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:21.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:22.327000+08:00","text":"保證什麼嘛？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:22.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:25.748000+08:00","text":"保證你的施政品質啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:25.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:36.553000+08:00","text":"我想整個農田的復育有不同的階段性，該給當地地區的灌溉排水清淤我們已經做到了。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:38.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:41.375000+08:00","text":"那你可以百分之百掛保證我的施政品質好嘛！","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:41.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:44.696000+08:00","text":"我的施政品質方面，我相信我們一定是盡我們的努力去做的。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:45.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:45.456000+08:00","text":"OK啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:45.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:46.516000+08:00","text":"那其他兩位呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:47.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:48.237000+08:00","text":"敢掛保證嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:48.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:47:50.318000+08:00","text":"要不然我們花蓮的居民可能就會掛掉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副主任委員怡德","start":"2026-05-21T12:47:51.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:02.121000+08:00","text":"剛剛農業部陳部長已經講了很多，我們大概就是做好最多最足的準備，因為在極端氣候大自然面前，我們還是要保持謙卑啦！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"李副主任委員怡德","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:03.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:08.143000+08:00","text":"對於災害，我們是能夠做就儘量做，但是我們的預警機制也要把它做好。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:08.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:12.286000+08:00","text":"當然，預警機制就是取決於政府有沒有積極的、雷厲風行的部署嘛！","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"李副主任委員怡德","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:13.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:15.869000+08:00","text":"大家一起來守護自己的家園啦！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:15.869000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:17.971000+08:00","text":"當然是大家一起來。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:17.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:18.191000+08:00","text":"那國土署呢？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:20.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:25.337000+08:00","text":"國土署跟縣政府這邊有合作，就是確保既有的設施發揮它的防洪功能。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:26.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:27.920000+08:00","text":"所以這算是一種保證嘛！對。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:28.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:42.818000+08:00","text":"謝謝三位主管的保證，保證你們會做好施政的品質，那我們就期待汛期來的時候，我們的水鄉澤國情形不要說完全的根絕，但至少不會像上個禮拜這麼淒慘。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:42.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:43.058000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:43.558000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:47.272286+08:00","text":"謝謝邱慧洳委員，謝謝各位長官。","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T12:48:47.572286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:48:50.715143+08:00","text":"接下來請陳清龍委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}