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這樣好不好"},{"start":869.286,"end":872.208,"text":"好,謝謝委員提醒,我想我們會很努力的去做好,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:49:10.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:49:10.743000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:49:11.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:49:23.570000+08:00","text":"我在這邊先邀請我們公共工程委員會李副主委還有農業部的陳部長、水利署的林署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T12:49:25.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:49:27.452000+08:00","text":"請農業部、水利署跟公共工程委員會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:49:33.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:49:53.015000+08:00","text":"公共工程委員會做為花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建的主管機關真的非常辛苦，重建復原之路是非常艱辛的。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:49:53.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:51:38.154000+08:00","text":"但是我在質詢之前還是要肯定一點，那就是在公共工程委員會網站的專區裡面，隨時可以看到整個重建復原的進度，但在看到重建的進度並瞭解後，我們對現在的進度是憂心忡忡，為了避免淹水，水利建設就變成一個最重要的關鍵，重建特別條例給的特別預算總共有270億元，現在動用的金額是255億元，經濟部水利署所屬的水利工程占了98.9億元，將近100億元，主要是用在堤防等水利工程，可是我們看到昨天（應該是今天）的工程執行率是35.31%，代表進度還在完成發包動工的階段，也就是工程還在準備進行當中而已。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:51:40.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:52:07.484000+08:00","text":"內政部國土署負責的排水工程的執行率更低，到今天為止才2.5%，我們看看整個決標的過程，直到4月等於上個月才決標，有些可能都還沒有開始動工。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:52:08.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:52:36.431000+08:00","text":"從這個過程當中就可看出我們的效率，而重建復原最重要的就是效率，我們要跟時間賽跑，從5月15號一場午後大雨就整個淹水即可知，我們是在跟時間賽跑，而我們可能會跑輸。","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:52:36.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:53:05.474000+08:00","text":"剛剛部長有講，在大自然面前我們要謙卑，我們非常的謙卑，但是為了人民不要受到災害，我們一定要跟時間賽跑，所以我在這裡懇託也是要求水利署和國土署，對於這樣的工程進度是不是可以來加緊、加快速度？","quality":0.802},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:53:06.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:53:11.516000+08:00","text":"雖然條例中有關整個工程應該到119年才結束，距今還有3年的時間，但是這3年中一旦碰到汛期，光復、萬榮、鳳林等這些鄉親還要看天公伯作不作美，你知道嗎？","quality":0.548},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:53:34.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:53:40.944000+08:00","text":"所以這3年時間，我們期望能夠儘速縮短，好不好？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:53:41.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:53:42.585000+08:00","text":"請問經濟部水利署這邊有沒有把握？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-05-21T12:53:43.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:53:43.365000+08:00","text":"有把握。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:53:44.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:53:46.187000+08:00","text":"請問內政部國土署這邊可以吧？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-05-21T12:53:46.187000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T12:53:49.811000+08:00","text":"也可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:53:49.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:53:51.293000+08:00","text":"我們期望這個時間可以來加緊，好，先請回座。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:53:51.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:55:38.518000+08:00","text":"接下來，災後復原最重要的就是我們的農業，農業的重點在於農業部，這部分有兩個區塊，一個是我們的重災區，另外一個是一般受災的農地，重災區的範圍有將近170公頃，一般災區則有383公頃，總共有將近550公頃左右要進行農地復建，我看了相關的資料還有報告，重災區環境重建最主要的一點就是把農民的土地買回來，也就是農民賣地、我們買地，其次就是農民希望保留他的土地，我們採用補助造林的方案，在這裡我們看到要協議價購這些農民的土地，今年7月才能完成市價查估，標準則是以災前市場正常交易價格循民法協議辦理，既然我們有重建特別條例，又要採協議價購的方式來執行，且是依市場的正常交易價格，在此我要請問部長，何謂災前市場的正常交易價格？","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:55:39.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:55:57.997000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們這次的協議價購一定是依照災前這個地區相關土地交易的市價為標準，所以我們現在正在請專門人員去做相關的查估工作。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:56:17.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:56:56.880000+08:00","text":"部長，我有幫你簡單的查了一下，內政部實價登錄、災前土地價格等等都有，這個是非都土地的價格，一坪從1,000元、九百多元到一坪二萬多元的都有，我們有將近五百多筆的重災區土地，我想市價的價格差異度會非常高，我看到目前協議的價格主要都落在3,000元左右，所以這部分會很具技術性，牽涉到農民的權益，他要把土地讓我們政府收購，究竟價格多少，既然是協議價購，我希望是遵循從優從高原則，應該要為農民來考慮啦！","quality":0.474},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:56:56.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:56:56.880000+08:00","text":"可以吧？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:56:57.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:57:04.282000+08:00","text":"以農業部的立場，我們一定會確保農民的這些權益，至於市價的查估，在不同的地段當然價格不一樣。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:57:04.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:57:04.782000+08:00","text":"你們要怎麼查？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:57:06.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:57:08.683000+08:00","text":"委託專業的估價公司嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-05-21T12:57:09.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:57:11.664000+08:00","text":"我們是委託專業的，不是我們自己去查估。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-05-21T12:57:12.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T12:57:14.746000+08:00","text":"對，我知道，所以我說要委託專業的估價團隊。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季"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