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謝謝委員的詮釋我想這個我們總統府比較沒有出國這個國安會的需求比較大那國安會一定要必須跑全球那這個部分我請國安會秘書長來做說明好嗎謝謝"},{"start":607.467,"end":623.357,"text":"非常謝謝林委員的確我們國安會今年有增列了那個一千多萬的那個出國的這個費用研究然後出國的費用研究出國的費用那如果說看看我們接受到邀約的這個狀況增加了七成"},{"start":623.977,"end":641.956,"text":"那是因為我們台灣在國際社會上面的這個地位或者是重要性增加了那這些都是很重要的會議那另外就是說看到那個旅費機票費用住宿費用等等都增加兩成三成所以在這一方面如果說依照舊的這種預算的編列的話是不夠的"},{"start":642.697,"end":664.539,"text":"那在去年我們也有幾個會議,就是因為我們經費不夠,所以需要去動用預備金,那也有好幾個重要的會議我們沒有辦法參加。所以在這邊要拜託委員,就是讓我們國安會能夠有充足的這種跟其他國家進行國安交流的機會,來確保我們台灣的國家安全受到國際社會的重視。"},{"start":665.202,"end":694.771,"text":"好的那秘書長如果照您這樣講基本上你們應該在去年的經驗上你說有缺的這個部分應該有一些會議或者是應該也有一些結果或者是你們今年的預期應該有比較具體吧那您是不是應該把這個相關的資料提供給本席參考就像本席剛才講的那究竟去年你們是哪一些會議平台或者是相關的事項經費是不夠的那在去年的基礎上我想你們今年的規劃應該也有在過去的基礎上嘛"},{"start":695.131,"end":718.494,"text":"有一些是繼續連結的或者是今年有一些新的可能性那這個你們應該有一些預期吧你們不會沒有預期或是過去的一個結果到底要不要持續那這個部分應該是有吧那這個相關的資料是不是要讓我們可以了解要不然我們只看到你們這樣一句話也很難很難去確認來評論你們這樣一個需求的一個必要性"},{"start":719.235,"end":741.418,"text":"委員說得非常好,那第一件事情就是說我們會後會來跟委員做報告,那第二個就是說我們國安相關的這種外交的這些項目,國安交流,國安外交等等的,那通常都是在機密的狀況之下,所以讓社會大眾來了解,並不是對我們國家利益最好的。"},{"start":741.718,"end":759.21,"text":"對 但是對於立法院的這個了解應該是必要的吧要不然我們也不能蒙著頭就可預算嘛 對不對對 所以我們私下會來跟委員報告那我這邊也說到就是說那相關資料也請你們也要帶來就是也是要讓我們有比較具體的一個文字資料的了解 好不好好 謝謝謝謝委員"},{"start":761.691,"end":770.095,"text":"最後,很短的一段時間,因為昭緯剛才提到,非常感謝國史館,國史館是不是可以先請館長,還有文獻館的館長。當然,專委人叫貢鬼,展示還有一些研究或者是成果,國史館這邊都會依照你們的一個標準來做。"},{"start":786.362,"end":799.112,"text":"剛才趙偉這邊講到啦針對我們的憲政或者是民主的會議的制度你們這邊有做一些了解那本席之前也有參與過國史館的一些著作的一個評審"},{"start":801.034,"end":826.173,"text":"所以在剛才這個趙偉這邊所講的這個內容當中本期這邊想要做一個提醒雖然你們是從歷史時期做了一個記錄但是不要忘記我們南島語族其實在過去部落的一個組織上部落的制度上其實也有相對民主跟共同決定的一些機制那或許不像歷史時期的文字記錄一樣但是我想國史館應該也"},{"start":827.554,"end":855.524,"text":"可以有這樣子的一個規劃來做這方面的一個歷史的搜羅或許我們可以從這裡面南島語族在台灣的整個部落的制度還有部落的這個會議或者是部落的運作的一個形態找到一些新的可能性也說不定所以我這邊提供給這個國史館這樣一個概念那不要把南島語族給忘記了好 謝謝好 謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:47+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:48+08:00","text":"謝謝莊召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:48+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:49+08:00","text":"主席、府會同仁，大家好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:47.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:48.229000+08:00","text":"我先請總統府的秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:48.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:55:48.309000+08:00","text":"請潘秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T09:55:48.309000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:56:02.206000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:56:02.206000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T09:56:16.103000+08:00","text":"秘書長你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:56:16.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:56:29.253000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊要先針對一個應該也討論很久的問題，可是本席在這邊還是要做一個提醒，也就是總統在人事提名跟憲政正常運作上的責任跟能力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:56:31.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:56:39.741000+08:00","text":"最近檢察總長被提名人沒有獲得立法院同意，結果還是由同一個人來代理檢察總長，會引發各界的懷疑。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:56:40.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:56:45.804000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊還是要講，本席不是針對人，而是針對這樣一個制度。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:56:47.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:57:01.711000+08:00","text":"在這樣一個結果之下，前司法院長賴院長也公開指出，已經被國會否決的人選再被派為代理，這樣子的安排對於民主的價值跟制度其實是有很大的衝擊。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:57:03.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:57:23.830000+08:00","text":"依照法院組織法第六十六條規定，最高檢察署檢察總長由總統提名，經立法院同意任命之；檢察總長出缺或沒有辦法視事的時候，總統也應該在三個月內重新提出人選，經立法院同意任命之。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:57:25.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:57:42.486000+08:00","text":"這個制度最主要是不希望行政權單方面做決定，每一個人或每一個制度我們可能都有一些沒有辦法真正抗衡的地方，所以要由國會權引路來做民主的制衡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:57:43.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:58:04.284000+08:00","text":"但是如果被立法院否定的人選，最後仍然以代理的方式行使職權，我想各界都會懷疑，立法院的同意權在這個過程當中看起來有被架空，代理制度會變成繞過國會的審查，這樣子的結果其實各界會有疑慮。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:58:04.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:58:17.295000+08:00","text":"所以本席在這邊還是要請教秘書長，您自己認為總統府指定被立法院否認的人長期代理檢察總長，這樣的精神符合原先制度的設計嗎？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:58:18.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:58:31.120000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，本席再進一步跟您詢問，什麼時候總統會依法院組織法的規定，在期限內提出新的檢察總長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:58:31.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:58:48.179000+08:00","text":"最重要的是，你們應該有這個能力針對這樣一個人選，透過你們的方式，或者是透過憲政體制，讓這樣子一個人被各界認同，我想這個應該是總統府的能力，所以本席在這邊請教您這兩個問題。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安：我想這兩個問題裡面分幾個層次","start":"2026-05-21T09:58:56.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:59:22.753000+08:00","text":"過去馬前總統的時候有3次派代，因此有前例可循；第二個，因為檢察總長握有非常上訴的權力，這個業務不能中斷；第三個，最重要是我們要尊重法務部，他固然是總統派任、經國會同意，但必須由法務部呈請行政院送到總統府來做派任……","quality":0.874},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:59:22.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:59:22.993000+08:00","text":"謝謝秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:59:22.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:59:24.934000+08:00","text":"您這邊講的法務部的這個部分，我想其他委員應該也有確認過，所以這個派任究竟是總統府的比例上比較高或者是法務部？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:59:25.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T09:59:49.108000+08:00","text":"我想這個你們應該是清楚的，所以本席在這邊最重要是要指出兩點，這樣一個制度精神，在過去您講的這個例子裡面，我們對於制度精神的遵守，在每一個階段是不是都符合這樣一個制度精神？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T09:59:49.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:03.157000+08:00","text":"我想對於這一個case，總統府應該好好去思考制度、權力平衡的精神，跟人選，還有對於各類權力平衡的狀態，我想這是最主要的。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:03.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:08.621000+08:00","text":"本席針對您剛才講的這個回應，其實很多人都問過了，我們也不要膠著在這裡面。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:09.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:17.707000+08:00","text":"所以本席在這邊還是跟您請教，總統府近期有沒有針對制度的這個時間，有要再提出人選的規劃？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:19.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:42.298000+08:00","text":"這個部分我也跟委員報告，第一個，我們會敦促法務部儘速把符合……因為檢察總長有資格的限制，將符合資格的人選儘速呈報到院、呈報到府，因為沒有呈報，我們不能去交條子，這點不大好。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:43.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:47.302000+08:00","text":"意思是說要再去督促法務部，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:47.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:00:48.624000+08:00","text":"你的意思是這樣。當然！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"潘秘書長孟安","start":"2026-05-21T10:00:48.624000+08: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-21T10:05:42.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:05:50.904000+08:00","text":"我想我們總統府比較沒有出國的費用，國安會的需求可能比較大，國安會必須跑全球，這部分我請國安會秘書長說明，好嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:05:50.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:05:50.904000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:05:54.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:05:56.148000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝林委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:05:56.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:06:01.932000+08:00","text":"的確我們國安會今年有增列一千多萬的出國費用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:06:02.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:06:04.073000+08:00","text":"研究，然後出國的費用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:06:04.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:06:05.234000+08:00","text":"對，研究和出國的費用。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:06:06.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:06:18.565000+08:00","text":"如果看到我們接受邀約的狀況，就增加了七成，那是因為我們臺灣在國際社會上面的地位或者是重要性增加了，這些都是很重要的會議。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:06:18.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:06:28.936000+08:00","text":"另外就是旅費、機票費用、住宿費用等等增加兩成、三成，所以在這一方面，如果依照舊的預算編列是不夠的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:06:30.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:06:39.327000+08:00","text":"去年我們也有幾個會議就是因為經費不夠，所以需要動用預備金，也有好幾個重要的會議我們沒有辦法參加。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:06:39.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:06:51.539000+08:00","text":"所以在這邊要拜託委員，讓我們國安會能夠有充足的跟其他國家進行國安交流的機會，確保我們臺灣的國家安全受到國際社會的重視。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:06:52.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:06.166000+08:00","text":"秘書長，如果照您這樣講，基本上在去年的經驗中，你說有缺的部分，應該有一些會議，或者是應該也有一些結果，或者是依你們今年的預期，應該會比較具體吧？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:06.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:09.607000+08:00","text":"您是不是應該把相關資料提供給本席參考？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:09.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:16.849000+08:00","text":"就像本席剛才講的，究竟去年你們在哪一些會議平臺或者是相關事項的經費是不夠的？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:17.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:22.131000+08:00","text":"在去年的基礎上……我想你們今年的規劃應該也有在過去的基礎上嘛？有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:22.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:26.595000+08:00","text":"有一些是繼續連結的，或者是今年有一些新興的可能性。是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:27.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:28.878000+08:00","text":"這個你們應該有一些預期吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:29.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:29.979000+08:00","text":"你們不會沒有預期……有。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:30.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:33.402000+08:00","text":"或者是過去的結果到底要不要持續？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:33.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:34.503000+08:00","text":"這個部分應該是有吧？有。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:35.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:37.827000+08:00","text":"相關的資料是不是要讓我們了解？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:38.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:45.474000+08:00","text":"要不然我們只看到你們寫這樣一句話，也很難確認、評論你們這樣需求的必要性。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:46.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:46.936000+08:00","text":"是，委員說得非常好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:47.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:07:52.161000+08:00","text":"第一件事情就是我們會後會跟委員報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:07:53.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:08:08.398000+08:00","text":"第二個是我們的國安交流、國安外交等等，通常都是在機密的狀況之下，所以讓社會大眾了解並不是對我們國家利益最好的，有幾個……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:08:08.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:08:11.660000+08:00","text":"對，但是讓立法院了解應該是必要的吧？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:08:11.660000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-21T10:08:12.660000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:08:12.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:08:14.402000+08:00","text":"要不然我們也不能矇著頭就給預算嘛！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-05-21T10:08:14.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:08:15.503000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:08:15.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-21T10:08:17.004000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們私下會跟委員報告。好的。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"吳秘書長釗燮","start":"2026-05-21T10:08:17.584000+08:00","guessed":fals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