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再次的謝謝市長謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:26:48.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:26:50.732000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，部長已經先行離開了，我請次長。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-25T12:26:50.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:26:50.772000+08:00","text":"請陳次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-05-25T12:26:50.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:26:50.852000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:27:00.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:27:07.636000+08:00","text":"次長，大家都非常關心臺海的危機，我想臺灣從來就不是挑釁者，也不是麻煩製造者。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-05-25T12:27:07.636000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-25T12:27:09.038000+08:00","text":"從來不是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:27:09.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:27:15.444000+08:00","text":"我想到底誰在挑釁、誰在破壞所有印太的和平、誰是麻煩製造者，其實非常顯而易見。是。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:27:16.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:27:19.067000+08:00","text":"一早這樣子聽下來，我非常開心，為什麼？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:27:19.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:27:43.668000+08:00","text":"因為朝野大家都有共識，就是為了川普在事後的一些言論，不管是我們總統的稱呼被忽略了或者是他們的晶片被偷走了的說法，大家都有一些共識，要來維持我們的國格，不要犧牲掉臺灣的利益，我想這個部分當然也是非常清楚、非常堅定的。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:27:44.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:28:18.416000+08:00","text":"但是同樣地，我也希望既然面對國際上任何矮化臺灣的言論或者態度，我們這麼地義憤填膺，在面對我們國際上的外交屢次被中國一次又一次不斷地打壓跟矮化，從今天開始，我們的態度也一樣要義憤填膺、拿出這樣的底氣對中國表示抗議才對。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:28:19.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:28:26.465000+08:00","text":"接下來，本來部長應該在這裡，這次部長在日內瓦，我們也隨行。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-05-25T12:28:26.465000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-25T12:28:29.229000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:28:29.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:28:35.977000+08:00","text":"在日內瓦，大家都非常辛苦在拚外交，瑞士的物價其實非常高昂。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-05-25T12:28:35.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:28:37.159000+08:00","text":"是，非常高昂。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:28:38.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:28:40.543000+08:00","text":"在這邊我要幫外交人員稍微講一下話。謝謝。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:28:41.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:29:03.265000+08:00","text":"我們都知道，光是在日內瓦高成本的城市生活，對於駐外的人員來講是非常非常地不容易，長期外交人員要擔負很大的外交重任，不管是在外館他們對於國際會議上的聯繫，或者是在當地他們也有一些國際上的倡議、跟媒體的溝通等等，這些全部都是靠第一線的外交人員在撐。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:29:03.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:29:45.443000+08:00","text":"當然，我剛剛有提到，尤其瑞士日內瓦的物價、住宿、生活的成本其實都算是全球最高的等級，有很多外交人員是長期派駐在外面，也都是長達幾年的時間，有的是舉家一起到那邊，不管孩子的教育也好、生活在那邊也好或家庭的部分，心理的壓力更不用說，所以要幫他們稍微講一下話。謝謝。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:29:45.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:30:01.040000+08:00","text":"我聽到他們有的還要每個月自己貼些錢，所以很辛苦，我們建議外交部是不是應該重新檢討高消費城市的駐外待遇跟津貼的制度？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-05-25T12:30:01.040000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-25T12:30:02.040000+08:00","text":"是，一定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:30:01.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:30:07.867000+08:00","text":"再來，就是強化駐外人員家庭支持跟心理支持機制。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:30:08.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:30:18.077000+08:00","text":"我們是不是可以建立更彈性的駐外資源協助方案，讓第一線的外交人員能夠在外地替臺灣在外交上繼續發聲、繼續打拚？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-05-25T12:30:20.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:30:42.474000+08:00","text":"當然，我想因為物價變動，現在種種因素，例如油價上升，通貨膨脹壓力很大，其實我們各個地區，當然瑞士是最嚴重，但其他地區我們出去的時候也常常聽到，在地駐館同仁反映都要自己貼錢付房租等等。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-05-25T12:30:43.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:30:52.142000+08:00","text":"因此第一個，我們在內部重新再來調整各個地方的地區加給，希望能夠儘量趕上物價。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-05-25T12:30:52.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:31:02.569000+08:00","text":"但是總的來說，因為外交部整個預算都還有限，我們能夠去做的調整幅度都還是在一定限度之內。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-05-25T12:31:02.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:31:15.719000+08:00","text":"外交部希望能夠支持我們的駐外人員，給他們一個不需要憂愁的環境，以臺灣今天經濟發展的狀況是可以到這樣，也希望貴院能夠多多支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:31:16.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:31:19.160000+08:00","text":"當然，今天股市又往上衝了大概一千三百多點……","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-05-25T12:31:19.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25T12:31:25.103000+08:00","text":"不然的話，我們的外交人員可能會覺得有相對剝奪感，他們可能沒有趕上這一波的富裕。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-05-25T12:31:25.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-25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