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你要感受到嘛你們看你們這次的這個金門一個長照道飆了一兩年飆不出去那不管是工人也好或是這個各方面的醫療的需求金門"},{"start":202.396,"end":215.882,"text":"外島的確是比台灣這個辛苦很多所以部分希望我們這個衛部要多支持好沒問題謝謝好謝謝委員對不起還有一題這個醫護宿舍的這個部分"},{"start":218.264,"end":245.524,"text":"醫護人員要到金門來服務也是相當的比較少現在到處都缺護士當然我們金門縣政府自己也提供一些資源加了留任獎金不過我覺得有一點就是有關這個宿舍的部分他們現在住的宿舍有點像大學生的這個宿舍這個部分外部有沒有什麼想法可以來幫我們留住在金門地區服務的醫事人員不管是醫生、護士、放射師、各方面的治療師"},{"start":246.645,"end":265.934,"text":"跟委員說明,在對於這個金門地區,特別是金門醫院,我們在健保的給付上有很多的我知道,我們有爭取一些加給,對不對但是因為金門的門口很少,所以醫院不可能也不容易賺錢嘛那當然需要政府投資更多的資源嘛"},{"start":268.255,"end":284.732,"text":"醫中治療計畫、IDS計畫等等我們都很清楚那至於留住優秀人才的部分我們也有公費生計畫像近期就有這個公費生已經回去醫療業做這個也沒問題就提升了在地的照護量能至於宿舍的部分我們很重視"},{"start":285.613,"end":308.65,"text":"所以目前大概我們有100床的宿舍那麼使用大概80床左右還有20床的規模那至於說你們那個宿舍我跟你說實話很像大學生宿舍現在這個去當醫生當護士的人都是成年人你們都像大學生幾個人一間幾個人一間這樣事實上連一點飲食都沒有怎麼樣吸引人家到金門去"},{"start":309.932,"end":328.379,"text":"所以我是說是不是蓋一棟比較好的醫護的醫事人員的宿舍讓遠道從台灣過來幫我們服務的醫事人員比較有一個自己獨立的空間這個部分是不是 會不會可以在這方面琢磨我們來評估一下 改善醫護人員的住宿條件"},{"start":332.861,"end":358.127,"text":"不然金門一樣面臨到沒有護士這個床開不起來很大已經越來越大的這個問題了那當然這個部分如果衛護院協助我想我們金門縣政府也願意協助我們金門縣政府也是很願意出金門每年也是花了一億的錢我們也補助金門醫院部立金門醫院一億多的錢八千一億的錢給計畫給留任獎金這個大家可以中央地方一起來協助好嗎好謝謝謝謝部長好謝謝先請那個環境部"},{"start":361.939,"end":362.482,"text":"發起環境部長對決"},{"start":371.926,"end":399.738,"text":"委員好部長 要請教這個環境部以前在金門做了一個宣誓這個也是我們院長 左院長有宣誓就是說要把金門建設成低碳熱活的一個離島這個上回我在提這個 院長雖然沒上來上回在我們這邊提到這個人員發電的時候說這個金門的都是用柴油發電那希望是不是低碳熱活用柴油發電事實上是非常的不節能減碳 對吧 部長是"},{"start":400.698,"end":422.935,"text":"對不對,有提到嘛,所以我上回在這裡,院長有在,但您可能沒有聽到水源的配合計畫我們有了但是我們現在,你知道金門最大的一個碳排大會是哪些地方嗎?就是電力發電,發電業電力發電,它是用什麼發電啊?就是傳統的柴油柴油嘛,那這個碳排量是相當高金門的電力公司,台電的話一年在金門碳排有多高,你知道嗎?"},{"start":424.205,"end":433.03,"text":"我沒有特別,現在沒有數據,但是我知道他的比例是16萬公噸你們現在是不是有規定超過2.5萬公噸的話就會列入這個碳排大戶要徵收碳費?對那基本上這個台電塔山電廠會被列入嗎?"},{"start":439.754,"end":459.466,"text":"台電是整個來算所以基本上那個我所知道的是因為台電他本身他減碳也很努力啦所以他的碳費是沒有很高大概是一噸20塊左右一噸20塊嘛那金門的這個部分因為金門是一個獨立的這個就是獨立一個發電的電網你們那時候說地碳熱火導噴這個智慧電網噴是已經做起來了"},{"start":464.489,"end":484.906,"text":"智慧電網這個是值得期許的那你們那時候說了幾點你們要做四點你們說要做綠色運輸要做智慧電網你們說要這個這個智慧電網做好了節能減碳的部分有關這個太陽能的這個部分已經達到百分之一百二十二這個也是做好了但是現在對這個綠色運輸部分你知道你們"},{"start":487.108,"end":499.804,"text":"環境部在基本在102.0上面所買的大概十幾台 十二台 花了七千兩百萬買了十二台的電動公車 您知道這件事嗎知道會發生什麼事情"},{"start":500.985,"end":515.731,"text":"報告委員因為現在就是說財化法過後其實這個都是屬於地方的我們在講財化我在講這些工作化發生什麼事情基本上因為全台灣現在我們2030的電動化是一個目標但是其實這個預算弄起來是非常可觀的"},{"start":516.371,"end":537.219,"text":"我不要再說預算 我在問你這些工作後來發生什麼事你知道嗎因為你們打算把金門變成一個低碳島有時候三二零願景希望在一百零九年人均碳排量降到兩公尺一百一十九年達到碳中和在金門一百零三年後來過去了過了十年了 太陽光片有達成"},{"start":538.679,"end":548.205,"text":"手作智慧電網也有達成但是在綠色運輸跟碳排胎轉型沒有達成什麼叫沒有達成 第一個 你知道後來那些公車去年113年廢棄不用了嗎為什麼費用的問題"},{"start":553.991,"end":567.93,"text":"不是費用問題因為沒有廠商願意過去維修當然費用是因為廠商覺得費用高那這也不是費用問題這是廠商不願意過去維修他們維修成本太高那金門到底要怎麼推動低碳島你的目標到底要怎麼推動"},{"start":568.991,"end":589.014,"text":"因為這個我知道金門大概十幾年前其實有規劃真的是地碳島但是當時設計的這個樣態跟現在科技是不一樣啦那我們會再找時間再來評估一下因為我上任之後這兩年其實並沒有針對金門有特別的有一些很好的規劃那是十幾年前有定的一些目標我知道所以"},{"start":589.494,"end":606.084,"text":"如果廠商不管像剛剛說衛福部的施工、工程、廠照的人員或者電動公車沒有人願意去維修這種問題這個問題都是相當嚴重的因為離島等於是資源比較缺乏即便有時候用比較高的動力資源"},{"start":608.485,"end":629.158,"text":"最後費用人家也不願意過去這個你們環境部要真的好好想想那還有有關減低碳排部分不管是最大的兩個碳排大戶一個是台電公司一個是金酒公司都沒有做到半點事情你們沒有花任何一點力氣讓金門去減低碳排老百姓因為這樣實際上吸到比較不好的空氣"},{"start":629.838,"end":646.28,"text":"然後你們現在我請你們研究這個天然氣你們也覺得不可行這個台電那天講說不可行啊接收站怎麼太貴啊點點的那你到底要怎麼樣讓金門可以拿到低碳島包委員金門酒廠是有努力要減碳我看過他們的規劃你們是不是願意給我們支持啊"},{"start":647.101,"end":661.217,"text":"他們自己要自己做啦 企業當然是會做 他是一個政府的單位我有看過他的一個做法 金門這個會來也廢棄掉啊 原來要改成天然氣也廢棄掉啊 台北也不願意做天然氣接收站啊什麼都沒有啊"},{"start":661.858,"end":684.504,"text":"對 我們會鼓勵他有一些更好的一個做法因為久常的轉移好 請針對金門這個你想要做這個低碳導也是院長宣示這個什麼低碳熱火的部分你們再提出相關的計畫給金門好不好是 是 我們現在重新演因為現在當時想的都是十幾年前的那樣的一個做法但是現在我是覺得因為時空的環境調整 科技的調整有必要再有一個新的規劃出來再給我們一些"},{"start":685.624,"end":705.25,"text":"幫助我們來改進真的是這個整個碳排是很嚴重還是要用柴油燒發電啦在金九用柴油都是很嚴重的事情啦那以後不要講以後碳費徵收以後整個所有東西都會變貴嘛那這個碳費徵收針對金門島的部分特別的是如果在金門徵收的部分可以讓留在當地給我們使用啊"},{"start":705.53,"end":726.297,"text":"他們如果努力減碳的話其實他繳的費用很低那基本上我們現在就是沒有減嘛沒有在做任何事情嘛台電就是要收柴油嘛他就不願意做天然氣嘛其實金門酒廠他盈餘是很好的他如果他知道他的淨零是酒的一個發展的方向的話他可以來做因為像我們金酒會做啦請你們環境部也要支持另外一個垃圾處理問題"},{"start":730.618,"end":758.604,"text":"對不對 垃圾處理現在趨勢也是留在當地處理比較多嘛對不對 趨勢應該是要這樣子嘛但金門垃圾現在都怎麼處理你知道嗎報告委員 因為金門齁 這個垃圾減量做得很好所以台灣的我們做得很好 但是我們還是有垃圾嘛那我們怎麼做目前是我們環境部有出一點錢然後來協助來轉運到台灣來對 要轉運到台灣嘛那轉運到台灣事實上也是不是一個很好的方法嘛對不對 如果能在地處理都是一個好的方法嘛"},{"start":759.304,"end":787.131,"text":"但是因為而且轉運的環現在費用越來越貴對不對對台灣地區有的地方台灣有的縣市也不收還要我們處理那些殘渣什麼我們根本就沒有人力你到底要我們怎麼做然後第二個費用的部分原來轉運的費用這些費用是你們在出嘛對不對你們現在又說你們也不出了對不對因為財化法的關係嘛你們現在也不出了所以你們就是把這些垃圾讓我們自生自滅決定我們自己決定怎麼做嘛對不對"},{"start":787.971,"end":812.582,"text":"其實如果說金門努力在減量,它本身如果還有一些好的技術的話其實應該可以在地再處理的,但是要有些新的做法新的做法有什麼做法呢?你們要協助金門縣政府做什麼事呢?未來的話,例如說它可以做一些小型的氣化爐因為金門的這個量,本身的垃圾量沒有很多它基本上要蓋一個大型的焚化爐也不划算所以基本上應該是小的氣化爐來做處理那有業者願意過去嗎?"},{"start":814.878,"end":824.627,"text":"我們現在遇到的問題是所有事情我們要做的時候基本上沒有業者願意過去因為他的量很小嘛我也知道他的量 但還是要解決嘛對 就是說用小型的氣化爐可能有一些機會啦至少"},{"start":827.917,"end":847.924,"text":"機器分選的制度齁然後一些你說不管是小型氣化爐或什麼固體什麼台灣用的這個比較進步的這個技術SRF什麼這些東西嘛齁是不是衛福部呢是不是可以也跟我們做一點協助啊好這個我們環境部會來規劃一下因為你們這幾天到底有幫我們做了什麼事呢沒有啊你看我們的垃圾都全部都要自己處理啊"},{"start":848.624,"end":870.011,"text":"那我跟你說不然的話我們把他運到中國大陸去啊對 幫委員不能送到中國大陸因為巴塞爾公約巴塞爾公約我剛剛跟你提過巴塞爾公約是指國與國之間的關係嘛這一國不能遇到另外一國嘛在中華民國憲法就不是這樣子嘛是不是你就運用這個模糊的空間中國大陸也不會這樣認為是國與國關係我們就把他送到大陸去 他也願意收"},{"start":871.246,"end":895.081,"text":"是不是 你知道我的意思嗎 阿薩文言是說這個國家垃圾不能運到另外一個國家嘛那現在在兩岸這種模糊的我們這種一中憲法情況 不管你們承不承認 但憲法是這樣規定有兩岸裡面公安條例 在這個情況下 我們垃圾就很多它飄過來的 我們用歸還物歸還回去嘛 我們還給它嘛 這樣可不可行啊"},{"start":896.052,"end":920.658,"text":"這個要討論啦 畢竟這個垃圾如果處理他以前做過測試一次 但是十幾年前做過一次真的沒有成功我們現在就是他漂過來都是我們還給他嘛 歸還物我們可以討論十幾年前曾經做過但是沒有成功的原因在什麼 我們會再來討論你就不要利用那個模糊地帶把他的東西還給他是不是我們也減少我們還要處理這個費用 對不對"},{"start":923.063,"end":933.422,"text":"好,委員這個東西要討論的啦,我是必須說這個要公眾來討論這些事情啦好,謝謝好,謝謝陳先生、委員之間,謝謝各部會、各院"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:00:34.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:00:34.795000+08:00","text":"（9時）謝謝主席。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:00:36.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:00:37.803000+08:00","text":"先請衛福部部長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-26T09:00:37.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:00:37.823000+08:00","text":"麻煩請衛福部部長備詢。","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:00:37.823000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:00:56.839000+08:00","text":"陳委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:00:56.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:00:56.839000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:00:56.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:01:19.409000+08:00","text":"我想請教您，醫師法第二十八條第一項第六款寫到「外國醫事人員於教學院接受臨床醫療訓練或從事短期臨床醫療教學，且符合第四十一條之七第七項所定辦法中有關許可地點、期間及執行醫療業務應遵行之規定」，還有，第四十一條之七的第一項及第二項寫到「教學醫院接受外國醫事人員臨床醫療訓練者……取得病人同意……」及「教學醫院邀請外國醫事人員從事短期醫療教學」，這些醫師法所規定的條文中所謂的「外國醫事人員」，有沒有包含中國大陸的醫事人員？","quality":0.46},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:01:20.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:01:20.289000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:01:20.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:02:02.379000+08:00","text":"過去對於醫師法中這兩條所提及的外國醫事人員的解釋，都還要對應到醫師法第四條的應考資格中所稱的國外醫學、大學或獨立學院的應考資格，而這裡所謂的國外大學或獨立學院並不包含中國大陸地區。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:02:02.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:02:02.619000+08:00","text":"所以我們……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:02:05.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:02:18.623000+08:00","text":"揆諸這兩條的立法意旨合併來看，第二十八條第一項第六款所稱之外國醫事人員，係指我們承認學歷且能夠符合應考資格的外國醫事人員。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:02:18.623000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:02:19.623000+08:00","text":"不包含大陸地區？","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:02:19.623000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:02:20.623000+08:00","text":"不包含大陸地區。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:02:19.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:02:22.444000+08:00","text":"不包含大陸地區的醫事人員？對。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:02:22.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:02:23.124000+08:00","text":"沒錯嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:02:23.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:02:37.590000+08:00","text":"所以在修正離島建設條例時，我在提案裡頭寫到國際醫療特區與外國醫事人員時，所指的並不是、我的本意當然也是這樣，因為中華民國的法律就是這樣規定，並不包括中國大陸的醫事人員。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:02:37.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:02:46.797000+08:00","text":"可是網路上有相當多的謠言說我們要開放大陸的醫師、護士等醫事人員，這是以訛傳訛的謠言。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:02:47.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:02:58.726000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長把法律講得很清楚，謝謝您，請回座……對不起，部長，我還有一個問題請教，有關離島看護工的部分。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:03:02.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:03:14.437000+08:00","text":"你知道我們離島不管工程或工人都不容易找，像金門長照大樓已經標了十二次還標不出去，畢竟本島的公司也比較不願意來離島做。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:03:14.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:03:20.261000+08:00","text":"以後即便81床的長照大樓做好，我們的看護工也會不足。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:03:22.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:03:35.490000+08:00","text":"這次我提案修正離島建設條例針對離島的機構看護工，也就是希望可以提高申請聘僱外國移工的總額，這跟百姓相關，希望衛福部未來可以支持，可以嗎？","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:03:35.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:03:38.851000+08:00","text":"可以、可以，我們會就需求來做彈性調整。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:03:39.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:03:40.252000+08:00","text":"對，你應該有感受到。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:03:40.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:03:54.857000+08:00","text":"你看這次的金門長照大樓案標了一、兩年標不出去，不管是工人也好，或各方面的醫療需求，金門外島的確比臺灣辛苦很多。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:03:55.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:03:57.558000+08:00","text":"對這部分希望衛福部要多支持。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:03:58.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:01.200000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:01.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:01.620000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:01.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:05.862000+08:00","text":"對不起，我還有一題，有關醫護宿舍的部分。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:08.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:18.992000+08:00","text":"醫護人員到金門服務的比較少，而且現在到處缺護士，所以金門縣政府也提供了一些資源，比如加了留任獎金。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:19.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:22.054000+08:00","text":"不過我覺得有一點要注意，也就是宿舍部分。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:22.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:32.622000+08:00","text":"他們現在住的宿舍有點像大學生的宿舍，衛福部對這部分有沒有什麼想法來幫我們留住在金門地區服務的醫事人員？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:32.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:35.524000+08:00","text":"不管是醫生、護士、放射師及各方面的治療師？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:36.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:37.245000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:38.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:44.049000+08:00","text":"對於金門地區，特別是金門醫院，我們在健保的給付上有很多的醫生多加了……","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:44.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:47.050000+08:00","text":"我知道、我知道，我們有爭取一些加給……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:47.050000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:48.050000+08:00","text":"三成，所有的醫院都有加成……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:47.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:04:55.914000+08:00","text":"但是因為金門的人口很少，所以醫院不可能也不容易賺錢，當然需要政府投入更多資源嘛！","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:04:58.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:05:01.499000+08:00","text":"對，另外還有很多挹注，像是醫中支援計畫、IDS計畫等等都有挹注。","quality":0.393},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:05:01.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:05:02.279000+08:00","text":"對，我知道，IDS這些，我們都很清楚。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:05:02.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:05:08.045000+08:00","text":"至於留住優秀人才的部分，我們也有公費生計畫，近期就有這個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:05:08.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:05:10.368000+08:00","text":"公費生回去的越來越多了，這個也沒問題……","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:05:10.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:05:23.939000+08:00","text":"回去就提升了在地照護量能，至於宿舍的部分我們很重視，目前大概有100床的宿舍，使用大概80床左右，還有20床的規模，至於說……","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:05:23.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:05:38.630000+08:00","text":"你們的那個宿舍，我跟你說實話，很像大學生宿舍，現在去當醫生、當護士的人都是成年人，你們的宿舍卻像大學生宿舍一樣，幾個人一間、幾個人一間的，一點隱私都沒有，怎麼吸引人家到金門去呢？","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:05:39.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:05:55.578000+08:00","text":"所以我的建議是，是不是蓋一棟比較好的醫事人員的宿舍，讓從臺灣遠道過來幫我們服務的醫事人員有自己獨立的空間，這個部分是不是衛福部可以在這方面著墨？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T09:05:56.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:05:58.359000+08:00","text":"好，我們來評估一下，來改善醫護人員的住宿條件。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:06:02.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:06:26.207000+08:00","text":"不然金門一樣面臨到沒有護士導致床開不起來，這個問題已經越來越大了，這個部分如果衛福部願意協助，我想我們金門縣政府也願意協助，我們金門縣政府事實上也很願意出經費，每年也是補助部立金門醫院8,000萬、1億的錢給計畫、給留任獎金啊，這個部分可以中央、地方一起來協助，好嗎？好。","quality":0.832},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:06:26.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:06:27.407000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:06:27.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:06:28.107000+08:00","text":"接下來請環境部。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-26T09:06:32.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:06:32.482000+08:00","text":"麻煩請環境部長備詢。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:06:41.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:06:42.166000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:06:42.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:09.438000+08:00","text":"部長，我想要請教，環境部以前在金門做了一個宣示，這也是我們卓院長有宣示的，要把金門建設成低碳樂活的離島，上回我提到能源發電的時候說金門都是用柴油發電，希望能低碳樂活，因為用柴油發電事實上是非常的不節能減碳，對吧？是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:09.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:11.279000+08:00","text":"部長，有提到吧？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:11.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:21.126000+08:00","text":"我上回在這裡提過，當時院長有在，你可能沒有聽到，水源的備援計畫我們有了，但是我們現在……你知道金門最大的碳排大戶是哪些地方嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:21.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:22.827000+08:00","text":"電力發電業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:23.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:23.868000+08:00","text":"它是用什麼發電？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:24.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:26.049000+08:00","text":"就是傳統的柴油。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:26.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:26.910000+08:00","text":"柴油嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:27.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:32.935000+08:00","text":"所以碳排量是相當高，金門的電力公司，台電在金門地區一年的碳排量有多高你知道嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:34.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:37.567000+08:00","text":"我沒有特別……現在沒有數據，但是我知道它的比例是非常高。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:37.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:38.127000+08:00","text":"16萬公噸！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:38.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:41.309000+08:00","text":"你們現在是不是有規定超過2.5萬公噸的話就會列為碳排大戶，就要徵收碳費？對。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:42.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:43.030000+08:00","text":"金門的台電塔山電廠會被列入嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:50.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:52.036000+08:00","text":"台電是整個來算，所以基本上……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:52.036000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:07:53.476000+08:00","text":"對，我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:07:53.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:08:01.701000+08:00","text":"我所知道的是，因為台電本身減碳也很努力，所以它的碳費是沒有很高，大概一噸20塊左右。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:08:02.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:08:02.662000+08:00","text":"1噸20塊嘛！對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:08:04.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:08:48.422000+08:00","text":"金門是獨立發電的電網，你們那時候說要做低碳樂活島，其中智慧電網的部分已經做起來了，這個是值得期許的，你們那時候說要做四點，包括綠色運輸、智慧電網，智慧電網做好了，至於節能減碳方面，太陽能的部分已經達到122%，這個也是做好了，但是現在對於綠色運輸部分，你知道金門在102年、103年的時候買了大概12台的電動公車，花了7,200萬元，您知道這件事嗎？","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:08:48.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:08:48.542000+08:00","text":"知道、知道。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:08:49.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:08:49.784000+08:00","text":"後來發生什麼事情？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:08:50.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:08:54.947000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為在財劃法通過後，這個都是屬於地方的……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:08:55.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:08:57.768000+08:00","text":"我不是講財劃法，我是問這些公車後來發生什麼事情？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:08:58.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:05.711000+08:00","text":"基本上因為全臺灣2030電動化是一個目標，而這個預算算起來是非常可觀的……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:06.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:09.952000+08:00","text":"我不是在說預算，我是問你這些公車後來發生什麼事情，你知道嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:09.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:23.177000+08:00","text":"因為你們打算把金門變成一個低碳島嘛，訂定了320減碳願景，希望109年人均碳排量降到2公噸，並於119年達到碳中和，在金門。","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:23.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:35.023000+08:00","text":"103年過去10年了，太陽光電有達成，首座智慧電網也有達成，但是在綠色運輸跟碳排大戶轉型沒有達成，什麼叫沒有達成？","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:35.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:38.065000+08:00","text":"第一個，你知道後來那些公車在前年（113年）廢棄不用了嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:38.065000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:39.065000+08:00","text":"是，知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:38.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:38.165000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:38.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:38.205000+08:00","text":"費用的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:43.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:54.225000+08:00","text":"不是費用的問題，而是因為沒有廠商願意過去維修，不是費用……當然，如果說費用，是因為廠商覺得費用高，這也不是費用問題，而是廠商不願意過去維修，他們認為為維修成本太高。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:55.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:56.848000+08:00","text":"部長，金門到底要怎麼推動低碳島？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:56.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:09:57.930000+08:00","text":"你的目標到底要怎麼推動？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:09:59.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:10:18.553000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我知道金門大概在十幾年前有規劃為低碳島，但是當時設計的樣態跟現在的科技是不一樣，我們會再找時間去評估一下，因為我上任後這兩年其實並沒有針對金門有特別做一些很好的規劃，那是十幾年前訂定的一些目標，我知道。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:10:19.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:10:42.728000+08:00","text":"如果廠商，不管是像剛剛衛福部的施工、工程或長照人員的問題，或是電動公車沒有人願意來維修的問題，這些問題都是相當嚴重，因為離島的資源比較缺乏，即便有時候用比較高的費用，人家也不願意過去，這個問題環境部真的要好好想想。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:10:43.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:10:59.158000+08:00","text":"有關於減低碳排的部分，最大的兩個碳排大戶，一個是台電公司，一個是金酒公司，都沒有做到半點事情，你們沒有花任何一點力氣讓金門減低碳排，老百姓因為這樣呼吸到比較不好的空氣啊！","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:01.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:11.334000+08:00","text":"請你們研究天然氣，你們也覺得不可行，台電那天講說不可行，接收站太貴等等，那麼到底要如何讓金門可以成為低碳島？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:11.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:14.879000+08:00","text":"報告委員，金門酒廠是有努力要減碳，我有看過他們的規劃……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:14.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:16.100000+08:00","text":"你們是不是願意給我們支持？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:17.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:18.203000+08:00","text":"他們自己要自己做啦，它是一個企業……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:19.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:21.266000+08:00","text":"當然，企業當然是會做，它是一個政府的單位。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:22.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:24.550000+08:00","text":"我有看過它的做法，金門酒廠……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:24.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:25.191000+08:00","text":"後來也廢棄掉啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:25.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:27.033000+08:00","text":"原來要改成天然氣的也廢棄掉了。對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:28.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:31.197000+08:00","text":"台電也不願意做天然氣接收站，什麼都沒有啊！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:31.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:35.159000+08:00","text":"我們會鼓勵它有一些更好的做法，因為酒廠的轉型……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:35.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:41.340000+08:00","text":"好，請針對你們想要把金門打造成低碳島，這也是院長宣示的低碳樂活島的部分，你們再提出相關計畫給金門，好嗎？","quality":0.681},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:42.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:11:54.004000+08:00","text":"是，我們會重新研議，因為當時想的也都已經是十幾年前的做法了，現在因為時空環境調整、科技調整，有必要再有個新的規劃出來，我們會……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:11:54.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:08.228000+08:00","text":"再給我們一些……幫助我們來改進，因為整個碳排還是很嚴重，還在用柴油發電，金酒還是在用柴油，這都是很嚴重的事情，更不要說碳費徵收以後，所有東西都會變貴。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:09.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:15.050000+08:00","text":"有關碳費的徵收，針對金門島的部分，如果是在金門徵收的部分，是不是可以留在當地給我們使用？","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:15.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:20.612000+08:00","text":"他們如果努力減碳的話，其實要繳的費用很低，基本上我們的碳費……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:20.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:21.452000+08:00","text":"現在就是沒有減嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:21.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:22.912000+08:00","text":"沒有在做任何事情嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:23.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:26.694000+08:00","text":"台電就是燒柴油，不願意做天然氣嘛！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:26.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:33.836000+08:00","text":"其實金門酒廠的盈餘是很好的，如果它知道它的淨零是酒的發展方向的話，它可以來做，因為像威士忌……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:34.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:35.596000+08:00","text":"我們金酒會做啦，請你們環境部也要支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:35.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:44.699000+08:00","text":"另外，有關垃圾處理的問題，現在的趨勢是留在當地處理比較多嘛，對不對？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:44.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:47.900000+08:00","text":"趨勢應該是要這樣子，但金門的垃圾現在都怎麼處理的，你知道嗎？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:47.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:51.560000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為金門的垃圾減量做得很好，所以全臺灣……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:51.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:12:55.161000+08:00","text":"對，我們做得很好，但我們還是有垃圾嘛，那我們怎麼做？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:12:55.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:00.642000+08:00","text":"目前是環境部有出一點錢，協助轉運到臺灣來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:00.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:06.483000+08:00","text":"對，要轉運到臺灣，轉運到臺灣事實上不是一個很好的方法，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:06.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:08.584000+08:00","text":"如果能在地處理才是比較好的方法嘛！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:09.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:10.804000+08:00","text":"對，但是因為……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:10.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:14.385000+08:00","text":"而且轉運到臺灣的費用現在越來越貴，對不對？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:14.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:14.385000+08:00","text":"對，但是……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:14.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:21.687000+08:00","text":"臺灣地區有的縣市也不收，還有廚餘殘渣的部分，我們根本就沒有人力，你到底要我們怎麼做？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:22.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:26.988000+08:00","text":"第二個，有關費用的部分，原來的轉運費用是你們在出嘛，對不對？是。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:26.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:28.989000+08:00","text":"你們現在又說你們也不出了，對不對？沒錯。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:28.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:37.131000+08:00","text":"因為財劃法的關係，你們現在也不出了，所以現在有關垃圾的問題，你們就是讓我們自生自滅，看我們自己決定怎麼做嘛，對不對？","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:38.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:45.455000+08:00","text":"如果金門努力減量，它本身還有一些好的技術的話，應該是可以在地處理的，但是要有些新的做法。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:46.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:46.415000+08:00","text":"新的做法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:46.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:47.215000+08:00","text":"有什麼做法呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:47.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:13:48.936000+08:00","text":"你們有協助金門縣政府做了什麼事？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:13:49.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:01.582000+08:00","text":"未來的話，例如可以做一些小型的氣化爐，因為金門本身的垃圾量沒有很多，要蓋大型焚化爐也不划算，所以基本上應該是用小的氣化爐來做處理，減量的部分……","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:02.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:02.582000+08:00","text":"是啊，有業者願意過去嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:04.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:12.065000+08:00","text":"我們現在遇到問題是，所有的事情我們要做的時候，沒有業者願意過去，因為量很小，我也知道量很小，但還是要解決嘛！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:12.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:14.507000+08:00","text":"對，就是說用小型的氣化爐可能有一些機會啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:14.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:24.619000+08:00","text":"好，至少機器分選的制度，不管是小型氣化爐或固體的，臺灣用比較進步的技術……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:24.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:25.260000+08:00","text":"SRF。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:25.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:29.901000+08:00","text":"SRF什麼的這些東西，是不是環境部也可以給我們一些協助？","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:31.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:33.642000+08:00","text":"我們環境部會來規劃一下，因為……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:33.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:35.063000+08:00","text":"你們這幾年到底有幫我們做了什麼事？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:35.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:35.843000+08:00","text":"沒有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:36.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:37.904000+08:00","text":"你看我們的垃圾全部都要自己處理啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:38.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:41.125000+08:00","text":"我跟你說，不然我們就把它運到中國大陸去，因為……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:42.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:44.786000+08:00","text":"報告委員，不能送到中國大陸，因為巴塞爾公約……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:44.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:14:53.469000+08:00","text":"巴賽爾公約我剛才跟你提過，巴賽爾公約是指國與國之間的關係，這一國的不能運到另外一國嘛，但中華民國憲法就不是這樣子，是不是？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:14:54.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:01.426000+08:00","text":"你就運用這個模糊空間，中國大陸也不會認為是國與國關係，我們就送到大陸去，他也願意收，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:01.426000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:02.807000+08:00","text":"委員，那你先把他們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:02.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:06.389000+08:00","text":"你知道我的意思嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:06.389000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:07.389000+08:00","text":"我知道，但是他們的海漂垃圾也蠻多的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:07.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:25.061000+08:00","text":"巴賽爾公約是說這個國家的垃圾不能運到另外一個國家，那現在兩岸這種模糊的一中憲法的情況，不管你們承不承認，但憲法是這樣規定，也有兩岸人民關係條例，在這個情況下，我們的垃圾就……很多他漂過來的我們用歸還物、歸還回去，我們還給他嘛，這樣可不可行啊？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:26.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:28.753000+08:00","text":"這個要討論啦，畢竟垃圾這個如果處理……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:28.753000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:30.353000+08:00","text":"以前做過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:30.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:34.774000+08:00","text":"他如果……以前做過測試一次，十幾年前做過一次但是沒有成功。是嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:34.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:38.055000+08:00","text":"我們現在就是他漂過來的東西我們還給他嘛，歸還物。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:39.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:44.097000+08:00","text":"對，報告委員，我們再討論十幾年前曾經做過但是沒有成功的原因是什麼，我們會再來討論。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:44.097000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:45.097000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:44.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:49.398000+08:00","text":"你就不要……就是利用那個模糊地帶把他的東西還給他，是不是？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:49.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:50.658000+08:00","text":"我們也減少我們還要處理的費用，對不對？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:53.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:58.733000+08:00","text":"好，委員，這個東西要討論的啦，我必須說這件事情要公眾來討論啦。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:58.733000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:15:59.733000+08:00","text":"好，找時間跟我們好好討論啦。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-05-26T09:15:59.733000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:16:00.733000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-05-26T09:16:00.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:16:00.517000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-26T09:16:00.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T09:16:03.302000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳玉珍委員的質詢，謝謝各部會閣員的備詢，謝謝。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-26T09:16:03.802000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T09:16:09.230571+08:00","text":"接下來請王正旭委員質詢，謝龍介委員請準備。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}