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事實上在政策支持上行政院對社工職業安全到現在還是停留在10年來未修的社工人員的一個職業安全方案另外還有社工人員的職業安全重大危害事件處理機"},{"start":507.675,"end":520.727,"text":"策進的一個實施計畫重點是這個這兩個都是把它放在事後的一個處理跟通報跟輔導改善可是我們更需要的是前端的一個機制所以我不知道院長這邊有"},{"start":522.441,"end":538.079,"text":"能承諾因為之前103年行政院就已經有討論過社會工作人員的職業安全條例有沒有辦法重新拿出來研議然後去修這個法"},{"start":538.379,"end":557.954,"text":"就請部長說明一下現在具體的一些計畫跟委員說明在我們社安網裡頭我們新的一期社安網裡面也特別去強化這個職業安全的專案支持那過去就是如委員講的我們過去就是有一個叫職業安全計畫對於社工人員特別裡面包含團保的部分"},{"start":558.795,"end":584.474,"text":"那麼現在也還包含了一些心理諮商的支持減壓的這個做法那我們再來檢視一下這一個職業安全計畫與時俱進我們再來做一些滾動式的按照需求來做一些調整我們看國外甚至就是有些家訪有必要的時候會有訓練有素的人或者是員警去陪同因為我們現在常面對到的有可能是人身安全的一些問題所以才會"},{"start":586.539,"end":602.921,"text":"迫使他最後離開是什麼因為身心的一些因素我覺得政府應該要考量所以我也希望說這邊事實上可以考慮再度的把這個法提出來討論然後去修這個法另外一個就是我們政府"},{"start":604.68,"end":630.727,"text":"社福服務的採購長期存在事實上是費用編列不清契約的設計的矛盾跟履約管理不合理的這樣子的一個問題那衛福部長期沒有建立所謂符合社福專業的一個採購跟經費編列之意這也是過去我自己在社福機構常會面對到的一個很深的一個困擾所以院長政府把法定服務去委託民間辦理後"},{"start":631.98,"end":658.911,"text":"結果把加班費人事成本跟督導支持跟偏鄉招募的成本都加重在機構的身上常常有時候如果要加班結果最後事實上是會認為你機構你自己管理不當你為什麼有要加班可是今天個案晚上發生事情的時候要不要處理要處理甚至上非上班時間要不要去處理當然要處理所以院長這樣子的加班費難道要壓在機構跟第一線的社工的身上嗎"},{"start":661.089,"end":679.55,"text":"跟委員說明剛剛提到這個社福的採購的指引我們現在草案差不多完成了什麼時候可以完成盡快我們看看是不是在六月底之前可以把它發布因為還要跟地方主管機關大家一起協商我們真的等很久了"},{"start":680.091,"end":705.561,"text":"我們應該在六月底之前我會來push趕快讓這個採購指引讓大家可以有一致性的認定因為這已經是超過十年的問題了所以我們希望能夠盡速也謝謝今天能得到這樣的一個答案那院長今天也要請教社工勞動權益跟職業安全衛生的問題這件事事實上我在去年就要求衛福部勞動部合作"},{"start":706.448,"end":735.351,"text":"那不是用我們的勞檢的強度而是用法尊法事跟職安衛的監督輔導來協助社福機構改善所以可是現在不是沒有法事那也不是勞動部沒有量能所以我今天為什麼沒有請我們的勞動部部長上來就是因為我覺得關鍵是衛福部不能只有提供機構的名單社工面對到兒少保護家暴長照身障的高壓的高風險的工作那衛福部作為主管機關是不是應該要去設計"},{"start":736.292,"end":763.182,"text":"我們的所謂的社工專屬的法尊訪視的項目這勞動部做不了所以就要衛福部來做部長你是否認同好我們來跟勞動部當然這個法規的主管機關是勞動部不過涉及到專業領域剛剛您提到的這個社工工作的特殊性所以他的訪查的重點的一些建議呢那我們來提供給勞動部"},{"start":764.295,"end":785.537,"text":"那院長我也希望你能支持三件事情第一又衛福部主責然後勞動部來協同啟動我們的社工勞全的法尊法師及職安衛的監督輔導的專案第二事實上是邀集各地社工師工會跟職業工會來共同研擬因為他們最知道第一線到底需求是什麼問題是什麼"},{"start":787.594,"end":814.324,"text":"並規劃他們來陪同訪視第三把身心健康我們的職場霸凌跟人身安全跟創傷曝露跟社福契約管理約管理納入輔導內容院長可否支持這三項謝謝委員很具體的提出三點那我會請衛福部勞動部就這些訪視的過程當中所得到的這些數據跟分析的結果能夠進行各種的進一步的綜合的一個評估考量"},{"start":814.924,"end":841.294,"text":"那我也知道中央跟地方政府也經常有相關的會議在開這種會議推動地方政府成立社工人員工會的這個原意希望還沒有成立的也能夠加速來成立一個工會來保障整個社工夥伴的工作權跟本身的權益謝謝院長對我們社工的支持那院長成熟國家的政策應對通常不是社工壓力大我們就提供資商而已"},{"start":841.596,"end":870.534,"text":"他需要更完整的制度所以我覺得是不是可以針對公部門跟民間受助單位跟委辦單位的社工一方面能夠結合我們剛才講的法尊法師跟職安衛的輔導另外一方面是不是由衛福建立社工專屬的年度或雙年度的調查去了解他們的身心狀況甚至勞動權益跟自治體系我也要問院長能不能在你主持的社委會定期去"},{"start":871.214,"end":885.144,"text":"納管這樣子的一個議題好謝謝委員的提醒有這樣的調查我們才能確實掌握他的資訊做各種精密的分析那衛福部應該會可以往這個方向來進行部長來做什麼我們來委託專業團體來做這個調查院長4月22號將近2000名社工走上街頭"},{"start":892.625,"end":916.947,"text":"然後這不只是衛福部的問題也是國家社會安全網的重大議題啦個案責任留給司法判斷可是司法之外政府還是要去面對制度的問題院長我相信你非常願意跟社工夥伴一起來站在一起檢視制度來看那所以我希望說院長是不是能夠比照護理人員的政策那個整備提出行政院級的社工人力的整備計畫"},{"start":918.962,"end":919.542,"text":"社工人力準備計畫"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:06:13.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:06:17.069000+08:00","text":"主席，麻煩請卓院長及衛福部石部長。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-26T10:06:17.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:06:18.430000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長、衛福部長備詢。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:06:18.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:06:18.770000+08:00","text":"林委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:06:18.770000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T10:06:31.700000+08:00","text":"院長，還有部長，早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:06:31.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:06:59.925000+08:00","text":"院長，少子女化事實上是國家戰略問題，政府對於0到18歲孩子及家庭的支持提出了18項具體措施，尤其是0到18歲的成長津貼，受到社會大眾高度肯定，我覺得這不只是補助家庭，更是國家對於孩子成長的一個支持承諾。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:07:00.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:07:08.527000+08:00","text":"可是我這幾天收到很多家庭表示，這麼好的政策為什麼還要透過很多修法程序才來做？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:07:09.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:07:22.770000+08:00","text":"他們真的很迫不及待能夠享用到這項政策，所以我想問院長，是不是不必修法就可以先用預算或行政措施來推動，讓這個支持有更彈性的方式，讓家庭趕快受用？","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:07:23.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:07:45.176000+08:00","text":"是的，針對少子女化問題以及整體人口對策，在看到去年整個出生率下降的結果，我們大概從大半年前就在研擬，所以這一套臺灣人口對策新戰略研議超過半年以上的時間……","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:07:45.176000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T10:07:46.416000+08:00","text":"是，我說現在可以了嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:07:46.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:07:50.758000+08:00","text":"現在我們已經稍微有一些具體成果向國人報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:07:51.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:07:56.400000+08:00","text":"這一、兩天當中，我們還會持續就一些執行面的問題讓各部會更充分去銜接。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:07:58.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:08:06.584000+08:00","text":"過去在育兒津貼，還有種種各方面的行政措施上面，我們都有相關的、類似的處理方式。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:08:07.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:08:26.814000+08:00"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440000+08:00","text":"這樣的個別調查甚至是工會來做的，你覺得這樣足夠嗎？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:13:25.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:13:27.041000+08:00","text":"到底政府有哪些東西？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:13:27.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:13:30.102000+08:00","text":"政府對於社工的掌握程度事實上是弱的。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:13:31.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:14:03.440000+08:00","text":"社工夥伴通常對照顧的個案、對象會付出很大的愛心，但是他也經常把自己放在一個可能有危險、威脅的狀態當中，所以我們對他的關心，除了讓他有更專業的知能，以及相對的待遇跟福利來照顧他本身之外，他如果遇到有些重大的危險的時候，我們應該給他一些心理上的支持，甚至他需要的時候，在治療、醫療上也應該有經濟上的協助。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:14:04.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:14:13.067000+08:00","text":"另外，萬一真的進入到需要訴訟的時候，也要有法律的諮詢、法律的協助，這是我們現在想到的一些相關作為。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:14:14.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:15:01.059000+08:00","text":"院長，在政策支持上，行政院對社工執業安全到現在還是停留在10年來一直未修的「社會工作人員執業安全方案」，另外還有「社工人員執業安全重大危害事件處理及策進實施計畫」，這兩個的重點都是放在事後的處理、通報跟輔導改善，可是我們更需要的是一個前端的機制，我不知道院長能不能承諾，之前行政院在103年就已經有討論過「社會工作人員執業安全條例草案」，有沒有辦法重新拿出來研議，然後去立這個法？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:15:01.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:15:03.821000+08:00","text":"我請部長說明現在具體的一些計畫。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T10:15:03.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:15:36.286000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，在新的一期社安網裡面也特別強化執業安全的專案支持，如委員講的，我們過去有一個執業安全計畫，是特別對於社工人員，裡面包含團保的部分，現在還包含一些心理諮商的支持、減壓的做法，那我們再來檢視一下這個執業安全計畫，與時俱進，我們再滾動式的按照需求來做一些調整。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:15:36.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:16:01.035000+08:00","text":"部長，我們看到國外甚至在進行家訪時如果有必要，會由訓練有素的人或員警陪同，因為他們現在面對到的有可能是人身安全的一些問題，所以才會迫使他們最後離開了，對於一些影響他們身心的因素，我覺得政府應該要加以考量，我也希望你們考慮再度把這個草案拿出來討論然後去立這個法。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:16:03.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:16:27.425000+08:00","text":"另外，社福服務的採購長期存在費用標準不清、契約設計矛盾跟履約管理不合理等問題，衛福部長期沒有建立所謂符合社福專業的採購跟經費編列指引，這也是過去我自己在社福機構常常會面對到的困擾。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:16:29.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:16:52.627000+08:00","text":"院長，政府委託民間辦理法定服務之後，結果把加班費、人事成本、督導支持跟偏鄉招募的成本都加重在機構身上，有時候必須要加班，結果最後卻被認為是機構自己管理不當，質疑為什麼要加班，可是當個案在晚上發生事情的時候要不要處理？","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:16:52.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:16:55.828000+08:00","text":"還是要處理，甚至發生在非上班時間，要不要去處理？","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:16:56.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:16:56.629000+08:00","text":"當然要處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:16:57.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:17:01.911000+08:00","text":"院長，像這樣的加班費難道要壓在機構跟第一線社工的身上嗎？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:17:01.911000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T10:17:04.089000+08:00","text":"我請部長說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T10:17:04.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:17:11.998000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，關於剛剛提到的社福採購指引，我們現在差不多完成草案了。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:17:12.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:17:13.019000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以完成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T10:17:13.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:17:20.768000+08:00","text":"會儘快，我們看看是不是在6月底之前可以發布，因為還要跟地方主管機關大家一起協商。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:17:21.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:17:22.530000+08:00","text":"部長，還要等到6月底，我們真的等很久了！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T10:17:23.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:17:31.294000+08:00","text":"我們應該可以在6月底之前，我會來push趕快讓大家對這個採購指引可以有一致性的認定。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:17:31.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:17:35.336000+08:00","text":"因為這已經是超過10年的問題了，所以我們希望能夠儘速。好。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:17:36.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:17:38.717000+08:00","text":"今天能得到這樣的一個答案，也謝謝部長。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:17:39.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:18:24.514000+08:00","text":"院長，我今天也要請教社工勞動權益跟執業安全衛生的問題，關於這件事，事實上，我在去年就要求衛福部、勞動部合作，不是用勞檢的強度，而是用法遵訪視跟職安衛的監督輔導來協助社福機構改善，現在不是沒有訪視，也不是勞動部沒有量能，我今天為什麼沒有請勞動部部長上來，就是因為我覺得關鍵是衛福部不能只有提供機構的名單，社工在面對兒少保護、家暴、長照、身障等高壓且高風險的工作，衛福部作為主管機關，是不是應該要去設計社工專屬的法遵訪視項目？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:18:25.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:18:27.455000+08:00","text":"因為勞動部做不了這個，所以就要衛福部來做。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:18:27.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:18:28.735000+08:00","text":"部長，你是否認同？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T10:18:29.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:18:46.162000+08:00","text":"好，因為這個法規的主管機關是勞動部，不過涉及到專業領域，就像剛剛您提到的社工工作的特殊性，所以關於他們訪查重點的一些建議，我們會提供給勞動部。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"林委員月琴：院長，我也希望你能支持三件事情","start":"2026-05-26T10:18:50.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:19:19.577000+08:00","text":"第一，由衛福部主責，然後勞動部來協同啟動社工勞權的法遵訪視及職安衛的監督輔導專案；第二，邀集各地社工師公會跟職業工會來共同研擬，因為他們最知道第一線到底需求是什麼、問題是什麼，並規劃由他們來陪同訪視；第三，把身心健康、職場霸凌、人身安全、創傷暴露跟社福契約履約管理納入輔導內容。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員月琴：院長，我也希望你能支持三件事情","start":"2026-05-26T10:19:19.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:19:22.979000+08:00","text":"院長，可否支持這三項？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:19:22.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:19:37.304000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員很具體的提出這三點，我會請衛福部、勞動部對於在訪視過程當中所得到的數據跟分析結果能夠進行各種進一步、綜合的評估考量。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:19:38.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:19:55.771000+08:00","text":"我也知道中央跟地方政府經常在開各種相關的會議，比方說推動地方政府成立社工人員工會的研議，如果還沒有成立，也希望能夠加速成立工會，來保障整個社工夥伴的工作權跟本身的權益。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:19:56.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:19:58.392000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長對社工的支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:19:59.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:20:27.490000+08:00","text":"院長，成熟國家的政策應對，通常不是社工壓力大就提供諮商而已，而是需要更完整的制度，所以我覺得是不是可以針對公部門、民間受助單位及委辦單位的社工，一方面能夠結合我們剛剛講的法遵訪視及職安會輔導；另外一方面，是不是由衛福部建立社工專屬的年度或雙年度調查，去了解他們的身心狀況，甚至勞動權益和自治體系？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:20:28.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:20:36.156000+08:00","text":"我也要問院長，能不能在你主持的社委會定期納管這樣的議題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:20:36.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:20:46.543000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的提醒，有這樣的調查，我們才能確實掌握資訊，並做各種精密分析，衛福部應該可以往這個方向進行，請部長說明。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T10:20:46.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:20:46.943000+08:00","text":"我們委託專業團體來做這個調查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:20:47.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:21:05.474000+08:00","text":"最後，4月22日有將近2,000名社工走上街頭，這不只是衛福部的問題，也是國家社會安全網的重大議題，個案責任留給司法判斷，可是司法之外，政府還是要去面對制度問題。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:21:05.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:21:19.947000+08:00","text":"院長，我相信你非常願意跟社工夥伴站在一起檢視制度，所以我希望是不是能夠比照護理人員政策，提出行政院級的社工人力整備計畫？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:21:21.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-26T10:21:22.542000+08:00","text":"請部長說明社工人力整備計畫。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-26T10:21:23.042000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T10:21:45.899143+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，在這個事件之後，我們也了解到社工的壓力很大，所以我們有辦理分區座談蒐集第一線社工的意見，待所有的意見整理完之後，彙整看看有什麼需要努力的地方，我們來做計畫的調整。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-05-26T10:21:46.199143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T10:21:51.627714+08:00","text":"院長，還是要請你支持，我覺得要比照護理人員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-26T10:21:51.927714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T10:21:55.642000+08:00","text":"會，我會跟部長一起來努力。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-26T10:21:55.942000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T10:22:02.513429+08:00","text":"謝謝林月琴委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、衛福部部長備詢，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-26T10:22:02.813429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T10:22:13.670571+08:00","text":"報告院會，現在議場2樓旁聽的是來自新北康橋國際學校的同學，還有老師，我們掌聲歡迎大家。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-26T10:22:13.970571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T10:22:23.684857+08:00","text":"接下來委員質詢完畢之後，我們將會休息10分鐘，10分鐘之後再請伍麗華委員準備質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-26T10:22:23.984857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-26T10:22:26.842000+08:00","text":"現在請廖偉翔委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}