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其實我們又多了一個選項秘書長謝謝你 因為今年一月我們通過了立法院組織法的修法除了我們有參考 行政院提出的地方民代知己的條例明訂地方議會和立法院可以編列預算來補助民代的助理費以及增加國會助理的福利"},{"start":306.551,"end":331.701,"text":"但是行政院既然不附屬耶他的理由是說會讓刑法出現漏洞 詐領助理費會更難受到貪污罪的這個制裁以及會增加這個助理這個增加這個財政負擔啦那行政院自己提出的地方民代的知己條例可以可以把這個議會的助理費定義為是給議員的補助但是立法院修法要讓兩個制度一致化 卻不行那秘書長你認為這件事有道理嗎"},{"start":335.024,"end":351.91,"text":"我不好對這一個評價我只能是這樣說明啦因為從民國74年開始這個助理是用補助性質的所以從1500萬一直到現在來講所以我們的組織法規定是這個助理是雇主"},{"start":352.13,"end":367.456,"text":"秘書長我理解我剛剛就是引用行政院的做法是有點兩制就一國兩制那就是說我也了解秘書長您覺得不便評論但是對我們來說已經修法通過但是不附屬但是沒有辦法兩邊就一致化"},{"start":368.556,"end":391.855,"text":"好 這個是 那我就再請教你 那另外一個議題是助理費的待遇跟福利嘛那我們也跟立法院的秘書處確認過 這個沒有裁員的問題喔但是行政院還是不附屬啊 真是莫名其妙那請問秘書長面對這樣 我們有沒有辦法 不透過修法但是能夠增加助理的 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比如說組團它五百萬的組團是聯誼會的組團那你兩千萬那邊它是比如說舉個例來講五個人它是可以只派一個秘書去的"},{"start":550.257,"end":576.638,"text":"在祕書現在目前是大概行政連員我聽起來就是說立法院有最大的民意基礎然後事實上是我們在監督所有地方所有院會的一些預算但是我們希望做的一些事情好像都受到這個撤走受到限制然後修法過了三讀通過也沒用那個不修法的方式好像還要很努力或是受到很大的限制因為我們的制度的設計啊"},{"start":578.58,"end":604.177,"text":"我們編了概算還是要行政院同意的所以現在舉個例來講現在目前的一個空屋就是我們那個院區的空屋現在行政院還沒有同意我們編例了那今天我們也是呼籲兩院互相尊重啦不能形成老實責怪這個立法院然後又不附屬就全部的附議不執行等等那立法院的需求也希望行政院能夠好好的考慮我們會這樣爭取謝謝秘書長 謝謝主席"},{"start":607.782,"end":607.803,"text":"好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:08:00.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:08:00.299000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:08:00.299000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:08:01.299000+08:00","text":"請秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:08:01.299000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:08:02.299000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:08:00.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:08:00.319000+08:00","text":"秘書長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:08:00.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:08:01.500000+08:00","text":"有幾位很資深的立委常常說他們在立法院待了……我印象中是32年，其實他們都不如您在立法院服務的完整經歷，大概四十幾年，將近半世紀。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:08:30.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:08:37.521000+08:00","text":"在立法院大概有40年又5個月的樣子。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:08:38.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:08:50.010000+08:00","text":"所以我認為您是真正看過整個立法院長久以來的全貌，還有真正走過立法院的歷史長河，所以我今天就請教秘書長一些大家長期在關注的問題。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:08:55.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:09:02.938000+08:00","text":"因為您對立法院的事務非常熟悉，我想如果您最熟，大概沒有人敢說他會超越你。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:09:03.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:09:27.602000+08:00","text":"我們大家都覺得立法院的建物是老舊的，動線有點混亂，空間有點不足，但是這個議題其實喊了超過大概30年，蠻久的，我覺得我相對年輕就看到這個議題，但是到目前為止並沒有進度或進展，秘書長，您認為這些問題主要的困難、主要的重點在什麼地方呢？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:09:29.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:09:48.668000+08:00","text":"這個建築物中間曾經有兩次，82年在華山那時候要改建，就是要等我們遷建，後來是因為當時的商家針對這個有點疑慮，那時候都有抗爭，所以後來這個案子就被否決掉了。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:09:49.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:09:51.510000+08:00","text":"地點的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:09:51.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:09:57.175000+08:00","text":"對，就82年的時候，劉松藩院長在院會表決是沒有過的。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:09:58.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:10:00.239000+08:00","text":"82年我們是找空軍總部。空總。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:10:00.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:10:12.772000+08:00","text":"也是要遷建，那時候也都通過，但後來因為九二一，所以所編的預算保留，保留5年以後就沒有了。","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:10:13.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:10:31.521000+08:00","text":"我當考委的時候，游錫堃院長在第10屆針對遷建是非常投入，大概有6個地點，後來是黨團沒有同意，沒同意就沒有提報到院會。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:10:31.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:10:32.422000+08:00","text":"我們這一屆，其實以我個人來講，我畢業以後就在立法院……","quality":0.609},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:10:33.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:10:50.818000+08:00","text":"秘書長，你提到幾個點，剛剛有一個點跟韓院長……其實今年2月他有提出來，韓院長屬意的好像是兩個地方，一個是圓山飯店，一個是空總。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:10:50.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:10:51.358000+08:00","text":"剛剛你提到空總，其實當年也不是反對嘛！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:10:51.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:10:52.319000+08:00","text":"好像九二一事件，暫停……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:10:52.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:11:11.435000+08:00","text":"空總以後……是這樣，我要跟陳委員補充報告一下，因為我們就空總，那時候在第4屆是通過的，所以保留5年，而5年以後，保留款就沒有了，所以才第11屆……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:11:11.435000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:11:12.435000+08:00","text":"難怪韓院長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:11:11.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:11:11.715000+08:00","text":"我們現在是第11屆。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:11:11.715000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:11:12.715000+08:00","text":"是個選項。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:11:11.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:11:21.682000+08:00","text":"第10屆的時候，游錫堃院長有規劃了，後來有6個地點，其中有空軍總部。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:11:21.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:11:22.783000+08:00","text":"那院長來的時候，因為第1會期就有很多委員針對這個提出來，總務處也非常努力在重新規劃。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:11:22.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:11:23.683000+08:00","text":"謝謝你，因為我知道游院長的努力，他甚至設立了國會遷建監督委員會。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:11:23.683000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:11:24.683000+08:00","text":"對，委員會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:11:23.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:11:56.818000+08:00","text":"他還積極地去請教幾位縣市首長，包括柯文哲市長、盧秀燕市長、侯友宜市長，徵詢6都中幾個市長的意見。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:12:01.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:12:08.640000+08:00","text":"請問現在韓院長是不是也有類似的做法，就是在積極規劃中、有沒有要成立這樣的監督委員會？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:12:08.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:12:23.649000+08:00","text":"其實我們在第1會期都有報告，大概這6個地點，剛才陳委員已經提出來了，他對圓山是蠻有他的想法，但是我補充一句，因為怕時間……","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:12:23.649000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:12:24.649000+08:00","text":"對，我也怕時間上，因為我還有問題要請教秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:12:23.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:12:27.593000+08:00","text":"我要補充一點，我們現在來了一位參事，對於都市計畫他非常專業，他有提一個概念是就地改建。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:12:43.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:12:43.466000+08:00","text":"所以現在的一個方案，我們請他去研議……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:12:43.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:12:43.726000+08:00","text":"又多了一個選項。對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:12:43.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:12:43.846000+08:00","text":"好，秘書長，謝謝你。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:12:43.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:12:46.507000+08:00","text":"今年1月我們通過了立法院組織法的修法，除了參考行政院提出的地方民代支給條例，明定地方議會和立法院可編列預算補助民代助理費，以及增加國會助理的福利。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:13:04.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:13:16.736000+08:00","text":"但是行政院竟然不副署，理由是會讓刑法出現漏洞，詐領助理費更難受到貪污罪制裁，以及增加財政負擔。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:13:17.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:13:29.701000+08:00","text":"行政院自己提出的地方民代支給條例，可以把議會助理費定義為是給議員的補助，但是立法院修法要讓兩個制度一致化卻不行，秘書長你認為這件事有道理嗎？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:13:33.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:13:49.890000+08:00","text":"我不好對這個評價，我只能這樣說明，因為從民國74年開始，助理是補助性質的，所以從1.5萬一直到現在，我們的組織法規定，對助理是雇主……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:13:50.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:13:56.112000+08:00","text":"我理解，我剛剛就是引用行政院的做法，有點一國兩制。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:13:57.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:14:05.436000+08:00","text":"我也了解，秘書長您覺得不便評論，對我們來說已經修法通過，但是不副署，沒有辦法兩邊一致化。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:14:08.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:14:20.787000+08:00","text":"那我就再請教你另外一個議題，就是助理的待遇及福利，我們也跟立法院秘書處確認過，財源沒有問題，但是行政院還是不副署，真是莫名其妙。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:14:21.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:14:29.835000+08:00","text":"請問秘書長，面對這樣的情況，我們有沒有辦法不透過修法，但是能夠提高助理的待遇及福利？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:14:32.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:14:37.158000+08:00","text":"難道行政院反對提升國會助理待遇，我們就沒辦法了嗎？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:14:37.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:14:40.560000+08:00","text":"我們有其他不修法的方式嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:14:40.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:14:57.328000+08:00","text":"我要比較細密地再說明，民國96年，當時就這個預算，法規是規定一定的助理費，所以我在第1會期也提過，只要黨團協商同意這個助理費的費用，我們同意……","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:14:59.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:03.951000+08:00","text":"謝謝秘書長，因為我們這個不僅是協商，而且是通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:03.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:04.772000+08:00","text":"不是、不是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:05.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:06.332000+08:00","text":"就是立法院通過的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:06.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:09.554000+08:00","text":"我知道，因為這個案子它不公布，所以這個案子等於是……","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:09.554000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:10.554000+08:00","text":"不公布……","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:10.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:13.555000+08:00","text":"因為你不公布的話，等於是不是用現行的立法院組織法……","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:14.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:14.196000+08:00","text":"秘書長，這個……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:15.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:16.597000+08:00","text":"我可以補充一下嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:16.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:17.898000+08:00","text":"因為我覺得這個很重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:18.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:21.020000+08:00","text":"外界一直對助理……好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:21.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:29.407000+08:00","text":"其實我自己有自己的想法，因為助理費的增加，其實對院裡面或對委員都很重要。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:30.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:33.970000+08:00","text":"在96年，我那時候沒有考慮那麼多，所以當時用5萬乘以8……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:33.970000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:34.970000+08:00","text":"是的，沒有助理就沒有立委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:34.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:42.596000+08:00","text":"5萬乘以8，所以如果各黨團同意的話，就助理費，因為那個法沒有明文一定是多少錢，如果改為6萬、7萬，你加的話助理費自然就會增加了。好啦！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:42.596000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:43.596000+08:00","text":"謝謝秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:42.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:43.257000+08:00","text":"我是這個看法，不必一定要修法。好啦！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:43.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:43.277000+08:00","text":"謝謝秘書長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:43.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:44.358000+08:00","text":"我們知道韓院長對國會外交非常重視。對。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:44.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:15:44.998000+08:00","text":"這一屆以來大概至少有200回國會外交。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:15:45.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:16.041000+08:00","text":"但國會外交並不限於立委本身，我們也看到外國的國會助理們來到我們立法院參訪交流，甚至由副院長親自接見，我認為這是非常好的事情，對於臺灣和其他國家建立情誼是很有幫助的。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:16.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:20.724000+08:00","text":"但是我們除了等人家來訪，有沒有可能我們也積極走出去？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:20.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:21.825000+08:00","text":"請問秘書長，未來有沒有機會讓國會助理也組團到其他國家去訪問、相關的預算可能規劃或編列嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:32.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:32.879000+08:00","text":"國會助理外交。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:33.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:40.088000+08:00","text":"國會外交不一定是說一定是委員，助理或職員都可以。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:40.088000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:42.010000+08:00","text":"因為我們也接待過。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:42.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:44.233000+08:00","text":"這一筆費用如果要在……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:44.233000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:45.435000+08:00","text":"有可能嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:45.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:47.277000+08:00","text":"國際事務費用大概不能用到助理……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:47.277000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:48.959000+08:00","text":"不能用到……對。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:48.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:16:51.181000+08:00","text":"這需要修法嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:16:51.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:17:10.539000+08:00","text":"裡面的這個費用，因為編列的是委員，比如組團、他500萬的組團是聯誼會的組團，而2,000萬那邊，舉個例來講，5個人，他是可以指派1個秘書去，這個秘書目前大概是行政人員。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:17:10.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:17:23.489000+08:00","text":"我聽起來就是，立法院有最大的民意基礎，事實上是我們在監督所有地方、院會的預算，但是我們希望做的一些事情好像都受到掣肘、受到限制。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:17:23.489000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:17:24.489000+08:00","text":"因為我們的預……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:17:24.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:17:32.897000+08:00","text":"然後修法過了、三讀通過也沒用，而那個不修法的方式好像還要很努力或是受到很大的限制。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:17:33.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:17:38.861000+08:00","text":"不是，因為我們的制度設計，我們編的概算還是要行政院同意。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:17:40.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:17:46.946000+08:00","text":"舉個例來講，目前就我們院區的空調，現在行政院還沒有同意我們編列。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:17:47.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:18:01.676000+08:00","text":"今天我們也呼籲兩院互相尊重，不能行政院老是責怪立法院，然後又不副署，全部都覆議、不執行等等，立法院的需求也希望行政院能夠好好考慮。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:18:01.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:18:01.736000+08:00","text":"我們會儘量去爭取、儘量爭取。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:18:01.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:18:02.157000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝秘書長、謝謝主席。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席（陳委員昭姿代）","start":"2026-05-28T09:18:02.657000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:18:06.371286+08:00","text":"下一位請翁曉玲委員來做詢答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-05-28T09:18:06.671286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:18:08.099857+08:00","text":"謝謝陳委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:18:08.399857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:18:09.828429+08:00","text":"有請秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2026-05-28T09:18:10.128429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:18:11.271286+08:00","text":"翁委員好。","quality":0.25}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}