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騷事件，次長，給你時間來做一個說明。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:27:15.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:27:26.648000+08:00","text":"對運動員的保護這件事情，我個人在專業上面非常支持，事實上，我已經責成我們的運科中心，針對在熱環境運動的一些條件，我們已經做出一些指引。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:27:27.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:27:34.954000+08:00","text":"那你就先回應我，女足跟其他的男足在這個比賽當中，為什麼女足要在2點這麼熱的時間，他們就可以在3點半以後？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:27:35.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:27:40.779000+08:00","text":"告訴我，你如果這麼重視的話，這些是大家都知道的事實，為什麼沒有改進？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:27:42.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:27:46.130000+08:00","text":"為什麼還要讓女足工會對你們提出這樣的訴求呢？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:27:46.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:27:50.551000+08:00","text":"如果都有改進，他們不需要非常卑微的提出這樣的訴求啊，表示就是沒有改進啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:27:52.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:27:55.052000+08:00","text":"針對他們所提出的這四點，次長，你可以做出什麼樣的承諾跟保證？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:27:55.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:28:19.183000+08:00","text":"我們會跟足球協會持續溝通，我們會把我們這個指引交由他們來處理，因為可能會有場次一天要比幾場的問題，例如一天要比4場，如果沒有早一點開始，可能比不完，但是我們會輔導他把賽程直接拉長一點，在比賽的時間當中，特別會根據季節，因為2點鐘開始在冬天是沒有關係的，但在夏天……","quality":0.746},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:28:19.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:28:20.124000+08:00","text":"當然啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:28:20.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:28:37.776000+08:00","text":"而且你應該評估，這邊第三點就告訴你們，賽務規劃應該評估在3地或4地開賽的可行性，而不是因為只有1個場地，然後為了全部比完，所以把女生全部擺在最熱的時候，男生都可以在3點半之後，這個還告訴我們叫性平精神啊！","quality":0.578},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:28:38.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:28:47.538000+08:00","text":"這很具體，從這個開踢的時間點就可以告訴我們，你到底對我們的女性有沒有足夠的尊重，對不對？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:28:48.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:28:50.499000+08:00","text":"我們對女性是非常、非常尊重的。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:28:51.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:28:56.800000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，如果尊重的話，請從女足工會所提到的訴求開始，給我們一個完整的交代。","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:28:57.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:29:02.341000+08:00","text":"最後30秒，針對性騷的部分，三個禮拜過去後，給我們的答案是什麼？","quality":0.577},{"speaker":"盧副司長淑姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:29:03.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:29:33.034000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在當下的時候，由協會在場的秘書長跟教練已經跟大會抗議，其實國際總會已經發了一個道歉聲明；那我們在對選手的協助方面，他當時有先回國，國訓中心這邊有派專人去接他，我們後續也有安排心理諮商師，已經對怡靜選手做了一些輔導，還有包括要不要對這件事情提出一些法律上面的……申訴。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"盧副司長淑姿","start":"2026-05-28T09:29:34.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:29:42.560000+08:00","text":"對，那尊重當事人，目前怡靜是沒有要提，但如果他要提的話，當然後續法律的一些費用或者是支持，我們這邊都會來協助。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:29:43.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:29:58.284000+08:00","text":"對，還有包括我前面所提到的，我也希望黃次長完全履行承諾，要能夠儘快，可以解決的，給我們一個非常具體的交代，我們會持續追蹤下去，特別是開踢的時間，這點是本席非常在乎的，好不好？","quality":0.649},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:29:58.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:30:15.099000+08:00","text":"我承諾我會即刻責成我們的運科中心把他們制訂出來的「運動型熱疾病預防指引」交由競技司，請他們輔導各單項協會在辦比賽的時候，要特別注意熱疾病，因為在醫學上面是說，熱疾病是百分之百可以預防的。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:30:15.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:30:16.941000+08:00","text":"那就請從這邊開始吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-05-28T09:30:17.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:30:23.647000+08:00","text":"我們不希望在夏天的時候看到我們開踢的時間還是在這麼熱的天氣之下，感謝。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:30:23.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:30:25.509000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:30:25.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:30:26.770000+08:00","text":"謝謝柯志恩委員的質詢，請次長回座。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:30:27.270000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:30:31.270000+08:00","text":"接下來邀請陳培瑜委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}