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那市長就是說在因應明年的這個台中的園民會的運動會就是說就於平埔族可不可以有一組一組來參加"},{"start":579.898,"end":605.354,"text":"這我們就持續來跟原民會討論吧好好好那我想剛剛邱副處長回答是這是很有可能的對只要是這個你們來想一些方法OK那好我本席現在想討論的就是這個運動防護的部分喔這個本席跟李洋部長一樣就是我們很肯定運動防護對選手的重要性那大家現在多拉高"},{"start":606.715,"end":622.169,"text":"這個運動防護員的重視提到他的位階所以稱之為運動防護師那現在有委員提出所謂運動防護法的這種草案可是條文部分的內容會引起物理治療師跟健身教練他們很大的疑慮"},{"start":622.99,"end":645.458,"text":"那因為時間的關係我就不一一來說明可是我想要跟這個次長提醒的是說這個我們要讓運動防務員具體的制度更完善的方向本席是肯定的可是現在這個層面很狂我覺得一定要跨部會來進行那也不是一時半刻就會有完美的版本所以我認為應該要先精進這個檢定辦法跟這個強化課程的設計規劃那"},{"start":652.02,"end":671.65,"text":"我們來檢視這個運動防護員的這個檢定報考資格目前好大都是採任這個休息運動防護員這個檢定規定的課程報考為主啦可是運動防護員資格檢定辦法第四條第一項第一款有提到第一個資格就是本部核准立案或"},{"start":672.59,"end":692.84,"text":"這個符合本部採認的這個規定的國內外專科以上的這個學校運動醫學運動保健運動相關科系等等就可以所以我要請教是說那為什麼實務上大多是採用所謂的課程認證的方式來進行那核定的這個資格機制要如何改進"},{"start":696.677,"end":722.132,"text":"這個問題非常非常的複雜因為當初這個辦法就是我朝你出來的所以我清楚的知道它中間的複雜度因為目前現階段台灣並沒有任何一個系可以說我的系的課程結構完全符合國際上在培養運動防護員或運動防護師的那個基本精神因此才會用課程的概念也就是說如果學生修滿那個課程"},{"start":723.473,"end":746.864,"text":"即便不是從那個系畢業因為我們如果說某一個系的學科學生可以直接來報考那那個系本身有部分並沒有開那個課這樣其實對於未來在執行業務上面對於運動員的保護有些時候我們會擔心他的能力上面還有所不足因此才會現階段用課程的方式來審認申請人的考試資格"},{"start":749.705,"end":763.873,"text":"因為目前很明顯是運動防護員報考合格率不高差不多是25%到30%那主要是因為他學科跟他的嚴格的數科的實作可能比較難"},{"start":764.993,"end":786.202,"text":"所以我覺得這也顯不出我們信請這個防護相關的這個專業培育機制應該就是還有加強的地方喔所以目前相關的課程的品質跟規劃的完整性我覺得運動部應該也有很多地方還可以再精進啦那來提高這個報考和格率 次長你覺得我們的確現階段就是在多方的收集資料為未來的"},{"start":787.622,"end":798.948,"text":"運動防護師可能的提案做最好的準備目前還沒有完全很定下來的方向可是我們會持續的努力讓現階段的制度更盡完善好因為本身要強調運動防護員護理治療師甚至是"},{"start":802.87,"end":818.763,"text":"健身教練他都是運動醫學保健領域很重要的角色所以我覺得你應該要特別還要跟衛福部來做相關的討論來強化運動防護員的地位同時也要保障其他職業的權益市長謝謝謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:54.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:55.432000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請次長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:55.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:55.773000+08:00","text":"有請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:40:55.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:40:56.133000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:03.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:41:03.445000+08:00","text":"次長早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:04.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:41:17.769000+08:00","text":"最近各單項協會都在改選理監事，其中羽球近期產生的正副理事長受到不少的討論，不曉得運動部有沒有注意到？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:18.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:41:52.927000+08:00","text":"其中理事長許安進就曾經在擔任其他單項協會理事長的時候有引發一些爭議，新任的副理事長林瑞陽近期很常登上媒體版面的就是他長年旅居中國，曾經轉發央視新聞跟中共軍演的相關內容，還聲稱捍衛中國國家主權，要維護國家統一、兩岸和平統一等等字眼。","quality":0.991},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:41:54.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:34.609000+08:00","text":"我們必須了解，單項運動協會正、副理事長代表協會，他們就是一個門面，單項運動協會是我們選手參加國際賽事唯一的窗口，政府每年編很多經費，在選手的培訓也好或者是運動賽事也好，都是單項協會去負責執行，所以整體來講，單項協會可說是臺灣運動發展的命脈，這我想次長你也同意，承擔國家運動發展如此重要的組織，次長認為正副理事長需要具備什麼樣的條件？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:35.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:43.474000+08:00","text":"如果是曾經發表傷害國家主權跟安全言論的人，你覺得他適合當協會的代表人物嗎？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:44.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:55.483000+08:00","text":"在特定體育團體的相關規範中，像國民體育法第三十九條針對理事長有一些資格的規範，你覺得有哪些需要加嚴的地方？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:56.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:56.503000+08:00","text":"次長，請你回答。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:56.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:42:56.864000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心這個議題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:42:56.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:43:12.106000+08:00","text":"首先，對於一個國民在外面的發言，如果他不認同我們的主權，基本上我覺得這一個人在國家認同上面就發生很大的問題。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:43:12.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:43:21.895000+08:00","text":"再者，他在協會上面是不是也持同樣的態度，如果他在協會的位置上面發表同樣的言論，我認為他是絕對不適任我們國家單項運動協會的負責人，我認為是不適當的。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:43:27.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:43:38.362000+08:00","text":"所以你的意思是他之前發表過這些言論，可是他現在擔任了協會的副理事長，如果他從此不說，你就覺得他是適合的？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:43:40.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:43:54.567000+08:00","text":"還是回歸到法律的問題，不管在任何時間點發表這樣的言論，我個人都不認同，但是回到我們的業務本身，當他成為協會負責人的同時，他如果持續發布這樣的言論，我就不認為他適合。好。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:43:57.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:44:02.713000+08:00","text":"再來，我要針對我剛剛有提問你的來討論，國體法第三十九條有對理事長資格做規範，這部分您覺得有您剛剛論述的加嚴規範？","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:44:11.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:44:19.617000+08:00","text":"有關國家主權認同這件事情，目前在我們的法規當中並沒有明文規定，在國體法裡面還沒有。","quality":0.553},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:44:19.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:44:23.438000+08:00","text":"或者是他的言論是傷害國家的，我覺得這個你們可能……對。","quality":0.609},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:44:24.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:44:26.700000+08:00","text":"因為未來國體法需要大修嘛。是。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:44:27.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:44:51.138000+08:00","text":"所以就回到今天的主題，誠如陳培瑜委員剛剛也有提到的，在運動部成立的時候，我們就表達過國民體育法整部法需要大修，像第二章的學校體育，它現在就是歸教育部主管，其他一些提及學校的條文，究竟是要歸運動部或歸教育部？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:44:51.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:45:13.837000+08:00","text":"還有國民體育法這部法的名稱，現在其實也不合時宜，所以在上個會期我第一次質詢李洋部長的時候就有關心過，那時候部長的回答是，他會持續進行業務的盤點，廣納各方的意見，所以我現在在這裡再詢問您一次，國民體育法大翻修的進度到底如何？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:45:15.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:45:25.364000+08:00","text":"運動部組織法的附帶決議有提到「運動部應於成立後一年內，完成前述法律與其他相關增訂法律之研商。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:45:26.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:45:33.188000+08:00","text":"」運動部成立快一年了，你現在到底跟學者專家討論得如何？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:45:33.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:45:35.510000+08:00","text":"到底這部法什麼時候要拿出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:45:36.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:45:53.573000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們現在大修的這個版本，目前已經初步草擬了一個草案出來，行政院要求在我們預告之前先送行政院做初步通報，通報完之後如果沒有太大的爭議，我們才會回到部裡面來做預告。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:45:54.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:46:07.859000+08:00","text":"現階段就我知道的進度，將會在下個禮拜通報行政院，我們預計在8月1號正式送行政院審議。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:46:07.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:46:09.701000+08:00","text":"8月1號送行政院審議？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:46:09.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:46:14.926000+08:00","text":"對，也就是經過預告之後再蒐集意見，因為預告之後會有不同的意見再進來，我們根據不同的意見……","quality":0.725},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:46:14.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:46:17.168000+08:00","text":"所以現在這個草案已經完整了？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:46:17.168000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:46:18.289000+08:00","text":"對，已經出來了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:46:18.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:46:20.091000+08:00","text":"現在就是立即要送行政院？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:46:20.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:46:20.551000+08:00","text":"做通報。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:46:20.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:46:40.017000+08:00","text":"OK，我另外一個問題是，伍麗華召委的版本有提及涉及原住民族傳統運動事項，由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族主管機關定之。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:46:40.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:47:17.643000+08:00","text":"本席要藉這個機會來詢問運動部跟原民會，去年12月10號世界原住民族傳統運動會在臺灣舉辦，其中有一支隊伍叫做平埔族群，當時原民會教文處副處長邱文隆表示，為因應平埔原住民族群身分法通過，也就讓平埔族群的隊伍來參加，不知道原民會是不是覺得這樣子的說法有點怪怪的？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:47:18.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:05.087000+08:00","text":"因為這個族群統稱叫平埔族群其實是怪的，你也知道他們有分一族、一族，平埔族群並不是一個族，像西拉雅、道卡斯、馬卡道，我講的這些才是一個族，所以去年那一次是用聯隊的方式參加，很多族人覺得這樣子是怪的，而且沒有辦法強調他們各族群的文化主體性，所以聯隊的領隊段洪坤就建議，未來如果有類似這樣的原民比賽，是不是可以效法現在其他的原住民族群隊伍，一族一隊來參賽？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:05.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:18.495000+08:00","text":"之前本席有詢問過運動部跟原民會，有沒有機會來參加明年在臺中舉辦的全國原住民族運動會？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:18.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:43.997000+08:00","text":"那時候臺中市政府、運動部跟原民會就依照本席的意見召開會議協商，會議的結論是，平埔原住民族屬我國憲法保障之原住民，為保障平埔原住民族運動權益，並落實憲法意旨，運動部全民運動署建議原民會對原民運的參賽身分資格予以函釋。","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:45.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:51.967000+08:00","text":"照理說，像我臺南選區的西拉雅族，如果有優秀的選手，應該可以用西拉雅族人的身分來參賽。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:53.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:10.521000+08:00","text":"不過，因為現在各族審議的進度緩慢，所以沒有任何一個族是被行政院正式核定為官方認證的平埔原住民族，導致族人現在也沒有辦法正式在戶政系統註記身分。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:11.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:20.387000+08:00","text":"所以就要請教，怎麼樣保障平埔原住民族各族的族人參加臺中原民運動會的權利？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:21.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:21.808000+08:00","text":"是不是可以放寬？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:23.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:34.084000+08:00","text":"在日本時代有註記「熟或平」，然後再依據他個人族別的認同來參賽，以因應明年臺中的這個運動會？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:34.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:36.307000+08:00","text":"我先請邱副處長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱副處長文隆","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:37.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:48.255000+08:00","text":"報告委員，確實在去年是有它的時空背景，因為當初民族的認定還沒有做完，委員也知道現在正在做民族認定的過程。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:48.255000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:49.336000+08:00","text":"對，陸陸續續。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱副處長文隆","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:49.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:18.760000+08:00","text":"就明年參賽的部分，我們還會再跟運動部協調看看，其實我們現在全國平埔族群的各族如何認定，他們在做討論，尋求共識，這個條件是不是能形成認定他是該族群的身分，可能還要回到我們民族認定的程序來判定，至於能不能放寬，我們可能再跟運動部做討論。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:18.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:27.170000+08:00","text":"好，次長，因應明年臺中原民會的運動，平埔族可不可以一族一組來參加？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:28.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:31.019000+08:00","text":"我們會持續跟原民會做討論。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:31.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:51:01.020000+08:00","text":"好，我想剛剛邱副處長回答說這是很有可能的，只是你們要來想一些方法OK，好，本席現在想討論的是運動防護的部分，我跟李洋部長一樣，我們很肯定運動防護對選手的重要性，大家現在都要拉高對運動防護員的重視，提高他的位階，所以稱之為運動防護師。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:51:01.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:51:15.291000+08:00","text":"現在有委員提出運動防護法草案，可是條文部分的內容會引起物理治療師跟健身教練他們很大的疑慮，因為時間的關係，我就不一一來說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:51:15.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:51:34.438000+08:00","text":"可是我想要跟次長提醒，我們要讓運動防護員有具體的制度和更完善的方向，這個本席是肯定的，可是所牽涉的層面很廣，我覺得一定要跨部會來進行，也不是一時半刻就會有完美的版本，所以我認為應該要先精進檢定辦法跟強化課程的設計規劃。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:51:41.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:52:10.454000+08:00","text":"我們來檢視運動防護員的檢定報考資格，目前大都是採認修習運動防護員檢定規定的課程報考為主，可是運動防護員資格檢定辦法第四條第一項第一款有提到另一個資格，就是本部核准立案或符合本部採認規定之國內外專科以上學校運動醫學、運動保健、運動健康相關科、系等就可以。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:52:10.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:52:18.038000+08:00","text":"所以我要請教次長，為什麼實務上大多是採用所謂課程認證的方式來進行？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:52:19.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:52:21.840000+08:00","text":"核定的資格機制要如何改進？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:52:25.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:52:48.991000+08:00","text":"這個問題非常非常的複雜，因為當初的辦法就是我草擬出來的，所以我清楚的知道其中的複雜度，因為現階段臺灣並沒有任何一個系可以說它的課程結構完全符合國際上在培養運動防護員或運動防護師的基本精神，因此才會用課程的概念。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:52:49.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:53:15.844000+08:00","text":"也就是說如果學生修滿那個課程，即便不是從那個系畢業，因為我們如果說某一個系的學生可以直接來報考，那個系本身並沒有開那個課，這樣其實對於未來在執行業務上面、對於運動員的保護，有些時候我們會擔心他的能力還有所不足，因此現階段才會用課程的方式來審認申請人的考試資格。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:53:18.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:53:23.968000+08:00","text":"目前很明顯運動防護員的報考合格率不高……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:53:24.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:53:24.288000+08:00","text":"對，不高。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:53:25.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:53:27.670000+08:00","text":"差不多是25%到30%。對，30%。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:53:27.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:53:51.660000+08:00","text":"主要是因為學科跟嚴格術科的實作可能比較難，所以我覺得這也顯現不出我們現行防護相關的專業培育機制，應該還有要加強的地方，所以目前相關課程的品質跟規劃的完整性，我覺得運動部應該也有很多的地方可以再精進來提高報考合格率。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:53:51.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:53:52.421000+08:00","text":"次長，你覺得呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:53:52.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:54:06.227000+08:00","text":"的確我們現階段就是多方的蒐集資料，為未來可能的運動防護師的提案做最好的準備，目前還沒有完全定下來的方向，可是我們會持續的努力讓現階段的制度更臻於完善。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:54:06.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:54:27.103000+08:00","text":"好，因為本席要強調運動防護員、物理治療師，甚至是健身教練，他都是運動醫學保健領域很重要的角色，所以我覺得你應該還要特別跟衛福部做相關的討論，在強化運動防護員的地位的同時，也要保障其他職業的權益。當然。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-05-28T09:54:27.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:54:27.743000+08:00","text":"謝謝次長，謝謝主席。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:54:28.243000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:54:29.385857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:54:29.685857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:54:33.971571+08:00","text":"謝謝林宜瑾委員的質詢，請次長回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:54:34.271571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:54:38.271571+08:00","text":"下一位有請葛如鈞委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}