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謝謝委員謝謝陳清輝委員現在請邱輝祿委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:23.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:25.219000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席、各位官員，還有委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:25.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:25.980000+08:00","text":"請石部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:25.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:26+08:00","text":"請石部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:26+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:34.133000+08:00","text":"陳委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:34.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:52.946000+08:00","text":"石部長，最近行政院院長卓榮泰聽到記者提問支不支持失智症基本法草案，他的意思是說，就一個症狀的態樣成立一個基本法，是不是符合整個社會的需求或是整個基本法真正的意義？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:52.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:55.388000+08:00","text":"應該要用更嚴格的標準來遵守。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:48:56.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:48:58.390000+08:00","text":"您認為院長所說的這句話是對的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:00.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:16.024000+08:00","text":"應該是這麼說，我們現在對於失智症，行政院的層級已經非常重視，剛剛我在報告裡面也提到，行政院層級的長照推動小組是由副院長主持，也納入我們現在的長照。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:16.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:25.329000+08:00","text":"你的意思是說你們很重視，但納入基本法不是很符合邏輯，這個是院長的意思，您認為是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:25.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:39.819000+08:00","text":"應該是說，不論有沒有這個基本法，失智症的問題跟我們應該要全力去關注這個議題、去推動納入我們的政策裡面、跨部會協作，這個都是一定要做的，不論有沒有基本法都應該要做。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:40.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:46.784000+08:00","text":"如果納入基本法是一種更嚴謹的代表，這句話你同意嗎？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:46.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:49:52.269000+08:00","text":"因為行政院長質疑一種症狀就提出一個基本法似乎不夠嚴謹。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:49:52.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:01.937000+08:00","text":"當然你看這邊有跨黨派的委員，剛剛有王育敏委員、林月琴委員，還有兩個黨團，以及非常多民團，你也是這樣子認為嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:01.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:05.841000+08:00","text":"應該是這麼講，如果是要立法，當然需要更嚴謹的過程。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:07.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:09.723000+08:00","text":"所以你覺得目前他們這些都不夠嚴謹？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:09.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:30.691000+08:00","text":"因為有很多跨部會，這個法訂進去之後，當然應該要比我們現在國家的政策綱領，加上目前的各個法規所含納的更具全面性，所以它立法的過程，我認為需要更嚴謹，沒有錯。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:30.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:33.312000+08:00","text":"所以你的意思是，目前這四位你都覺得不夠嚴謹？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:35.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:38.107000+08:00","text":"還沒有進入逐條，我們到時候會來表示一些意見。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:38.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:41.749000+08:00","text":"你已經看過了，你現在就可以表達了。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:42.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:50:56.678000+08:00","text":"當然有一些道理，譬如你要不要設置一個基金，這個基金跟我們目前的資源之間如何互相搭配。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:50:57.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:51:05.084000+08:00","text":"另外，跟財政紀律的相關問題，還有分工，跟我們目前推動上，以及各部會……","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:51:05.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:51:37.243000+08:00","text":"沒關係，部長，這個你應該知道，因為你也去日本考察多次，但是日本跟我們同樣面對超高齡社會的問題，他們認為這是超高齡社會下的國家治理問題，所以應該不如你所說的，你覺得目前這四個版本都不夠嚴謹，如果你贊成，你就去把它修得更嚴謹才對，而不是直接說目前不管是財源或者是基金都還有待討論，所以目前不做，就是看你要不要做而已。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:51:38.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:51:44.450000+08:00","text":"我講的是在這個過程當中可以更嚴謹，比如說應該要有更多的意見……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:51:44.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:51:49.295000+08:00","text":"你的意思是你不排除進入逐條之後，你最後也會接受修得更嚴謹的基本法。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:51:49.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:51:54.400000+08:00","text":"對，如果進入逐條討論的話，我們會進行意見的表達，在行政機關……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:51:54.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:51:57.123000+08:00","text":"但你們會有自己的版本嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:51:57.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:52:02.088000+08:00","text":"因為這裡面還有很多是跨部會，不是只有衛福部，所以需要有更多部會的意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:52:02.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end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hold……","quality":0.594},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:01.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:01.903000+08:00","text":"標準、數值……","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:02.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:04.945000+08:00","text":"對，switch hold就是要去調整。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:04.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:06.287000+08:00","text":"那你多久以內會宣布？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:06.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:09.369000+08:00","text":"因為我們只有在新聞上看到你片段的說要修改。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:10.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:17.296000+08:00","text":"對，FDA會找專家還有跨部會，因為這還涉及到法務部跟警政署，大家會一起來討論。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:17.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:23.582000+08:00","text":"最近有沒有跟心健司開新興毒品還有青少年成癮如何降低他們再犯率的會議？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:23.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:23.602000+08:00","text":"還是還沒？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:25.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:29.644000+08:00","text":"我們心健司的司長在，是不是跟委員說明一下？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳司長柏熹","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:31.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:36.626000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這部分我們跟法務部都有定期的會議，在6月會開毒防會報。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳司長柏熹","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:36.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:44.128000+08:00","text":"有關青少年的部分，除了剛剛部長說明檢驗方法提升，校園部分的防制，我們都會定期進行。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:44.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:00:04.453000+08:00","text":"你好像沒有回答到具體的答案，因為我們看了一下你們的防制計畫，其實你們有跨部會，院、檢、警、教、衛合作平臺，花了這麼多的錢，最後沒有看到你具體說明，你要寫出改變的方法，檢討你的指標，這是你的績效指標就寫持續辦理。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:06.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:00:08.554000+08:00","text":"心健司司長要不要給我們一個很簡單的結論？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:08.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:00:15.996000+08:00","text":"你到底要怎麼強化去降低青少年的毒癮，或者青少年的再犯率，或是青少年戒毒？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:16.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:00:17.797000+08:00","text":"因為現在新興毒品急速的上漲。是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳司長柏熹","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:19.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:00:41.358000+08:00","text":"我們會先增加這個辨識，包括校園內可以辨識，因為很多新的毒品，使用所產生的一些中毒症狀、脫癮或是成癮的狀況，這些可能大家都還不熟悉，這是第一個，先做認知的部分，增加這個認識率；第二個，會配合教育部針對這個部分做校園宣導及後續的一些防治。","quality":0.858},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:42.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:00:46.460000+08:00","text":"你會如何把他們轉接到成癮的治療？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳司長柏熹","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:47.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:01.631000+08:00","text":"針對依托咪酯（Etomidate），就如同剛剛部長有說明的，因為它的effect是非常短的，通常都是急性中毒的症狀為主，目前大部分是先在醫院做中毒處置時，我們就從這邊來轉置。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:03.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:09.236000+08:00","text":"之後我們會跟你們要一下數據，你具體改過以後，這些人數、人次到底有沒有增加？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:10.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:25.708000+08:00","text":"在這邊也要提醒一下部長，簡報上這張圖是你們的電子煙查緝儀表板，之前是每月會更新，到2024年年底就不更新了，你們如果不更新的話，我們到底要怎麼知道你們的政策有沒有效？","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:26.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:27.970000+08:00","text":"要怎麼樣知道電子煙是不是越來越多？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:28.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:29.771000+08:00","text":"網路販賣是不是失控？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:30.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:31.332000+08:00","text":"你這個什麼時候要恢復？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:32.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:36.137000+08:00","text":"好，我們立刻回去處理，並在一天內就通通把它更新。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:36.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:37.078000+08:00","text":"一天內把它更新？對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:37.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:39.580000+08:00","text":"之後可不可以每個月更新？OK！","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:40.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:45.066000+08:00","text":"我們趕快把它補上去，這可能之前是在做網頁更新的時候漏掉了","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:45.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:02:04.503000+08:00","text":"這個也是你的業務，你每年查了34家次，你們有去裁處，結果裁處率就只有1.42%，而且大部分集中在機場，有3,700件，如果把機場刪掉的話，裁處率幾乎不到1%。","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:04.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:02:07.145000+08:00","text":"我想問的是，你們是不是該去的地方沒去稽查？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:07.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:02:08.467000+08:00","text":"是不是用錯了方法？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:09.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:02:17.199000+08:00","text":"針對這部分，我們再透過中央跟地方的協調會議來推動，因為這主要還是在地方查緝為主。好。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:17.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:02:33.125000+08:00","text":"我先跟你說，因為這項業務也不分中央、地方，網路上我隨手……我請助理一、兩個小時就可以查到六、七十件以上，他們現在是公然販賣，而且你看這日期是2024年的東西，到現在都還沒有被下架。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:33.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:02:39.388000+08:00","text":"我希望1個月內請你提供你們具體要怎麼修正稽查電子煙的檢討報告，可以嗎？可以。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:43.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:02:54.341000+08:00","text":"其實我們也正在修菸害防制法，要強化電子平臺販賣的查處，針對這個部分，我們會儘快提出修法。","quality":0.725},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:54.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:02:55.542000+08:00","text":"為什麼這個這麼重要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:55.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:03:08.393000+08:00","text":"因為現在大部分的青少年……你們跟青少年已經脫節了，你們只要去問他們、訪查他們，不要透露你們的身分，你就會知道他們都是從網路上取得的，這個非常的重要……","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T10:03:08.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:03:09.313000+08:00","text":"我們會儘快提出修法。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-05-28T10:03:09.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:03:10.334000+08:00","text":"請你1個月內提供給我，有關電子煙的檢討報告。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T10:03:10.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:03:10.674000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。謝謝。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-05-28T10:03:10.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:03:10.794000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:03:10.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:03:10.914000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳菁徽委員。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:03:10.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:03:11.255000+08:00","text":"現在請邱慧洳委員質詢。","quality":0.8}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}