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我想運動部才剛開始啦其實我想業務當然是很繁雜我們可以體諒也可以理解但是未來可能還更繁雜為什麼因為當產業蓬勃發展以後更繁雜"},{"start":528.914,"end":554.976,"text":"所以我希望相關的訊息部長次長一定要全面掌握好不好那我們相關的溝通也會更有效率那另外也問一下啦就是我們也持續在關心這個運動產業那我們也幫你們計算了一下一個很大的空間可以一起來努力啦職棒在台灣有6隊職籃有11隊職業排球有4隊我都是他們粉絲全民都是他們的粉絲他們都是我們的偶像"},{"start":555.897,"end":581.555,"text":"足球的項目現在還在準備但是很遺憾的我們剛剛提到這三個運動的職業運動的隊伍21隊職業球隊當中去年獲利的只有職業棒球隊而且不是每一家都有獲利我們算起來很可能只有一家我覺得大環境需要時間我們都體諒但是請問現在很多都還沒有實現盈利我們又要推展運動產業這個問題出在哪裡"},{"start":584.788,"end":585.049,"text":"給您發揮一下"},{"start":588.631,"end":617.21,"text":"問題的層面非常非常的多啦場地也是一個問題粉絲的融入程度也是一些問題球員本身在經濟上面在我們現場的科技的呈現上面都是吸引群眾進到場地的一些問題還有附屬產品的一些議題都是在產業推動當中必須要去做的一些事情沒關係這一段發言我想我們都彼此記錄一下您剛剛提到的場地這個政府這個責無旁貸嘛"},{"start":618.231,"end":640.146,"text":"第二,粉絲,我覺得這就有點疑義了,產業沒有發展怎麼是粉絲的問題呢?第三,你還提到球員的精進,我真替你捏把冷汗,我們的球員絕對是全世界最棒的,所以這個我想還有很多其他的空間,我相信您剛剛因為時間的關係沒有辦法表達很清楚,那相關也希望有更仔細的研議,我們一起來努力,"},{"start":640.766,"end":668.747,"text":"最後的最後我要先再次感謝主席給我這個時間因為我們真的是真的希望能夠幫助體育專長的學生去實踐他們的願景把我們運動產業整個拉起來運動可以是我們的護國神山全民運動可以是我們的台灣之光最後問一個問題根據去年修正的條文國發基金似乎只是會投資在發展職業運動的產業但是因為國發基金這麼大我們其實也希望可以全面的來幫助運動的推廣您剛剛提到了"},{"start":669.648,"end":678.639,"text":"十年有百億這不是一筆小錢喔這可以做N百千個Logo了所以有學者質疑就是說"},{"start":680.834,"end":702.743,"text":"這個職業產業可以發展的這麼好可是這個產業有一個基層的底層的grassroot是什麼基層運動包含比如說社區層間運動地方業餘塞市校際聯賽親子健走這些推廣的發展所以請問運動部有沒有考慮用國發基金以外的更多的資源我們積砂成塔這已經不是砂了啦這積塔"},{"start":705.184,"end":723.004,"text":"陳重了 比如說像是運動發展基金來作為一個增強跟替代請問次長 這個部運動部有沒有考慮過有的 我們在全民運動這一塊其實剛剛委員所提到的這一些grassroot的這些運動基層運動是的 我們都希望能夠在"},{"start":723.925,"end":753.332,"text":"在經營的當中是要有產業鏈的概念要有生態系的概念讓他未來透過政府部分的投入能夠讓他未來可以自行的一個運轉商業的運轉我們希望透過服務模式的建立跟商業模式的建立讓他透過部分的政府的支出的同時能夠自給自足這樣子的產業才有辦法永續否則一律一味的靠政府的補助產業是活不下來的但總而言之啦這個發展我們希望能夠有更多的資源挹注啦對不對"},{"start":753.912,"end":771.286,"text":"那基層運動我們不會排除啦跟運動產業發展條例也是有關的對不對所以我們全民現在都在瘋打皮克球啊現在很紅的叫HIGH ROCKS啊我們立法委員都說要去報隊次長說不定我們也可以一起來PK一下當然我是比較弱要練比較久啦"},{"start":771.886,"end":788.113,"text":"總而言之我想全民運動絕對是我們的希望之光強身健體也是我們的國防國家安全的一環那我想這個絕對是沒有任何黨派色彩剛剛還沒有辦法完整回答或來不及回答的部分麻煩一個月內書面回覆本席"},{"start":788.913,"end":815.463,"text":"那相关的这个我们所知的沟通上也麻烦跟同仁讨论一下我们更密切的话我相信我们今天这样子的一个合作也会更好我们这个修法的美意我们寻达的这个美意我们主席给我们这样的一个时间我想是真正的让台湾产业运动发展产业运动发展运动产业发展起来跟运动部一起来努力好不好谢谢主席谢谢委员谢谢市长好谢谢葛如君委员的质询请次长回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:01.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:55:03.931000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請運動部黃次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:04.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:55:04.511000+08:00","text":"有請黃次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:04.511000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:55:09.757000+08:00","text":"委員，你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:09.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:55:09.757000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:11.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:55:19.080000+08:00","text":"首先想要關心運動產業發展條例，我想如果沒有運產條例，今天運動部就沒有大家全民的期待啦！","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:19.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:55:32.263000+08:00","text":"在去年7月3號我們一起三讀修正通過第十三條第二項的規定，這裡面有一條非常重要的法條，我要呼籲全民一起來關心。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:33.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:55:51.174000+08:00","text":"這一條講得非常明確：「國家發展基金應提撥一定比例投資運動產業」，請問次長，我們去年條例修正提到的提撥一定比例投資運動，請問確切的比例是多少？","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:52.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:55:58.978000+08:00","text":"現階段我們是跟國發會共同的研擬那一個投資的辦法。","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:59.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:00.739000+08:00","text":"共同研擬，什麼時候出來？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:01.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:01.660000+08:00","text":"開了幾次會？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:03.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:03.441000+08:00","text":"這兩個問題回答我。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"吳代理副司長偉銘","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:05.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:11.412000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前來講，我們相關辦法正在預告當中，預估是7月會來公布。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:11.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:12.934000+08:00","text":"好，所以你回答我的時間是7月。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:12.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:12.994000+08:00","text":"你們跟國發基金開了幾次會？","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"吳代理副司長偉銘","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:16.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:20.992000+08:00","text":"我們已經跟國發基金開過兩次會。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:20.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:23.353000+08:00","text":"好，很好，預計會是多少比例？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:24.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:28.774000+08:00","text":"我們問了以後沒有人可以回答我們啊，大概什麼範圍嘛，你要讓大家有一個期待啊！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:29.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:33.996000+08:00","text":"我們投資的比例是這樣子，因為要看個案的審查，我們的原則……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:34.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:41.998000+08:00","text":"國發基金要投入一定比例投資運動產業，是它要給你多少的比例，不是你要投多少，不是。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:42.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:44.779000+08:00","text":"目前它已經匡列100億讓我們做這樣的事情。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:45.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:46.860000+08:00","text":"匡列100億要做這件事？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:47.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:49.341000+08:00","text":"是幾年100億？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:49.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:52.722000+08:00","text":"目前的額度就是100億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:52.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:56.583000+08:00","text":"那可不可以100年後100億？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:56.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:58.884000+08:00","text":"10年的時間。對嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:58.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:57:04.346000+08:00","text":"次長，我真的對運動部很寒心，也很失望欸！","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:57:05.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:57:22.407000+08:00","text":"我們大家都一起在為運動努力，我們去詢問多少比例，同仁一問三不知，回答說不知道比例，結果現在一問不只時間也有了，金額都出來了！","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T09:57:23.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:57:24.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業，但是國發基金這麼大，我們其實也希望可以全面的來幫助運動的推廣，您剛剛提到了，10年有百億，這不是一筆小錢喔，這可以做百個、千個logo了。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T10:05:54.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:06:04.556000+08:00","text":"有學者質疑，職業產業可以發展得這麼好，可是這個產業有一個基層的、底層的grassroots，是什麼？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T10:06:04.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:06:32.355000+08:00","text":"基層運動，譬如包含社區晨間運動、地方業餘賽事、校際聯賽、親子健走等這些推廣發展，所以請問運動部有沒有考慮用國發基金以外的更多資源，我們積沙成塔，這已經不是沙了啦，這積塔成眾了，比如說以運動發展基金來作為一個增強跟替代，請問次長，運動部有沒有考慮過？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T10:06:32.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:06:39.242000+08:00","text":"有的，我們在全民運動這一塊，其實剛剛委員所提到的這一些grassroots的運動……","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T10:06:39.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:06:39.542000+08:00","text":"基層運動。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T10:06:39.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:07:06.911000+08:00","text":"是的，我們都希望能夠在經營當中要有產業鏈的概念、要有生態系的概念，希望未來透過政府部分的投入，能夠讓它在未來可以自行運轉、商業的運轉，我們希望透過服務模式的建立跟商業模式的建立，讓它透過部分政府支出的同時能夠自給自足，這樣子的產業才有辦法永續，否則一味的靠政府補助，產業是活不下來的。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T10:07:07.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:07:11.332000+08:00","text":"但總而言之，這個發展，我們希望能夠有更多的資源挹注，對不對？是。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T10:07:12.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:07:17.116000+08:00","text":"基層運動我們不會排除啦，跟運動產業發展條例也是有關的，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T10:07:17.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:07:29.266000+08:00","text":"我們全民現在都在瘋打匹克球，現在很紅的還有HYROX，我們立法委員都說要去報隊，次長，說不定我們也可以一起來PK一下，當然我是比較弱、要練比較久啦！","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T10:07:29.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:07:40.791000+08:00","text":"總而言之，我想全民運動絕對是我們的希望之光，強身健體也是我們國防、國家安全的一環，我想這個絕對是沒有任何黨派色彩。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T10:07:41.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:08:07.076000+08:00","text":"剛剛還沒有辦法完整回答或來不及回答的部分，麻煩一個月內書面回復本席，相關我們索資的溝通上，也麻煩跟同仁討論一下，如果我們能更密切的話，我相信未來我們的合作也會更好，我們修法的美意及詢答的美意，主席給我們這樣的時間，我想是真正的讓臺灣運動產業發展起來，跟運動部一起來努力，好不好？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-05-28T10:08:07.076000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:08:09.028500+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，謝謝次長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T10:08:09.028500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:08:10.981000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:08:10.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:08:13.443000+08:00","text":"謝謝葛如鈞委員的質詢，請次長回座。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:08:13.943000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:08:17.943000+08:00","text":"下一位有請陳秀寳委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}