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因為主委因為你們知道這個2萬塊你們"},{"start":356.687,"end":361.69,"text":"平均台一天的活動多少錢,說實在很不夠因為我是提出意見因為這是我們"},{"start":369.215,"end":375.518,"text":"政府的錢,所以省一塊,我們要非常去對外去用只是覺得說,有不足的地方,你們要多研議一下你說兩萬塊,你就覺得很多,因為我們可以再合作一點,比較好在這裡面,我想說這個博工站,剛才主委說"},{"start":393.973,"end":410.741,"text":"說要上市去看怎麼去改善,要去注意,希望主委大家都一路進展,都可以在客家人的心中擁有尤其照顧這裡的大人,主委第一"},{"start":411.397,"end":428.031,"text":"第二點的議程裡面,你們有新增一個六黨的區委總共有六十五億,在六十五億當中,一八十五年會第一次的,你們變十六億多"},{"start":429.847,"end":436.253,"text":"你們要辦各行過去國家議員發展會議在這個會議當中我們的國家傳播行銷會議會看來是不是跟這兩行有稍微不同"},{"start":447.302,"end":472.859,"text":"再來,各位黨長,你們有一個國際客流文化內容就是說,要拍攝電影的作品要去全世界的人看,我們中華民國的台灣的客位所有的文化,他們的保留,他們的生活"},{"start":474.165,"end":486.07,"text":"這點的時候,我要問主委,你們這是要做什麼?你們的醫生當中,是獎金要兩億,你們是要做什麼?來!土匪有報告,161地盤,有報告赫加天使台養育61,還有赫加全部基金,非業醫生61,所以要做詹姆一般醫生"},{"start":502.276,"end":510.383,"text":"對,要基本的,這在立法院所提到的,而昨天我們針對我們台灣社會的文化內容,我們希望提供樣式,在國際的拼圖做的反應,國際民視看得到?"},{"start":523.547,"end":547.916,"text":"主委,你覺得錄影後,自己報上,我認為你有沒有看到我們原住民的小朋友,帶了一堆去到外國的時候,一唱歌,那有感動嗎?你有看到嗎?有所以主委,我是怎麼說,我們錄影的,跟做的、拍片的"},{"start":549.697,"end":568.819,"text":"都有一點沒有真實感,但如果能夠培養一隊,我們國家隊的,能夠在現場表演的時候,我相信你這個選團一定會更好,所以主委,我認為"},{"start":570.982,"end":584.935,"text":"在教育委員會的電台,我們都一定要配合要支持的經費但是我最高興的就是拍片後,說實在怕沒人看因為如果人家出去唱我們教育委員會的歌"},{"start":594.522,"end":621.798,"text":"像我們童話劇你看那些小朋友在那裡表演在那裡跳唱歌那個多生動啊主委我認為你們這個議程的時候你們可以去演繹一下因為我認為各方面都來做可以讓你們愛的成果更好"},{"start":622.819,"end":645.124,"text":"好嗎 主委您感覺呢我跟議員報告 目前有一個國家兒童客家合唱團就像議員所說的 皮育 高尚的 森林的合唱團也有國小階段的主委 要這樣 這樣要趕快給他們表演一下 以上好 感謝王議員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:54:42.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:54:54.815000+08:00","text":"主席，我們請古主委。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T09:54:54.815000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:54:55.815000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:54:55.815000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T09:54:56.815000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:54:55.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:55:22.029000+08:00","text":"早上同事們都與你探討伯公站，在伯公站方面，說實在的，我非常關心也贊同這種照顧，但是我盼了盼、等了又等，像你們這樣的規劃及規定，嘉義市永遠都等不到、永遠都無法申請！","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:22.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:55:28.394000+08:00","text":"在伯公站方面，你們說要有C站，雖然你們也很用心，我們說實在的，以前規定的人口數是50%，現在也改成30%，這些我都知道你們很用心。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:55:28.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:15.946000+08:00","text":"但是在資源分配當中，你要想到每一個縣市客家人的居住分布不同，像剛才蘇巧慧委員說的，他們有很多雖然都在這一區，但是不一定都住在這個里。","quality":0.623},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:15.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:53.662000+08:00","text":"而嘉義市比較特別的是，雖然它占了將近嘉義市人口數的10%，不過在嘉義市如果說到客家人住在哪裡，大家都知道鹿寮里，主委，你應該知道嘛，鹿寮里這個地方大部分都是客家人居住比較多，在這個過程當中，我還感受到這做得很好、這也有需要去照顧，但剛才聽到主委說，因為地方沒有申請，所以你們也沒辦法。","quality":0.504},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:56:53.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:56:57.024000+08:00","text":"像剛才也有委員質詢說，如果你們不改，永遠都申請不到。","quality":0.478},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:57:07.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:57:16.212000+08:00","text":"所以主委，在這個過程當中，我覺得客委會的經費用在客家方面照顧這些長輩，我相信每一個委員都贊同，但是在每一個委員都贊同的情況下，像我來說，我們嘉義市申請不到，這是非常好的一個政策。","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:57:36.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:57:41.291000+08:00","text":"主委，我等一下問完，你再一起回應。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:57:42.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:57:55.076000+08:00","text":"在這個過程當中，你們就是要長照、要延續文化才會去設這個站，但在伯公站部分你也要延伸過來，就是讓非客家的社區也可以申請。","quality":0.685},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:57:55.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:58:08.745000+08:00","text":"在申請方面，去年有五百五十幾個申請，今年又多了55個，總共有六百多個，在六百多個當中，你們還限制規定，如果是非客家的社區來申請，最多只能申請2萬塊而已，無法再更多。","quality":0.629},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:58:29.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:58:31.975000+08:00","text":"但是我覺得，既然你要照顧這些長輩、要讓他們瞭解客家文化，你會不會覺得限制2萬塊太少了？","quality":0.658},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:58:47.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:02.045000+08:00","text":"尤其你在這方面的預算，去年是三千多萬，現在也增加到五千多萬，我在這裡不是說你不要增加，因為據我了解的是，你們本來有五百多站，到現在已經增加到六百多站了，所以一定要增加，只是在增加的過程當中，你們對非客家社區的限制比較嚴格。","quality":0.564},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:16.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:17.792000+08:00","text":"主委，關於本席從剛才到現在所講的，請你回答一下。","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:17.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:21.193000+08:00","text":"感謝王委員，王委員所說的問題跟剛才蘇委員說的一樣，就是客家人口分散。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:21.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:22.913000+08:00","text":"我們的沒有分散，我們是人口比較少，但是這些人都住在鹿寮里居多。是。","quality":0.345},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T09:59:45.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T09:59:58.084000+08:00","text":"所以我們會回頭來討論，在這樣的情形之下，到底伯公照護站可以怎麼落實到非客家重點發展區域裡頭，以及在客家人、跟客家文化有關係的長者照顧上，這是第一個。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:09.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:00:28.858000+08:00","text":"第二個，關於預算，2萬塊確實很少，但我們的總預算就是這麼多，我必須要衡量總預算的情況來分配，所以這個要請委員多多包涵，這方面恐怕我還是沒有辦法……","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:28.858000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:00:29.858000+08:00","text":"錢不夠，這沒辦法。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:29.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:00:41.169000+08:00","text":"主委，你也知道這2萬塊如果拿來辦活動，平均一次活動所要花多少錢，說實在的，很不夠！","quality":0.629},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:41.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:00:55.878000+08:00","text":"我是提出意見，因為這是我們政府的錢，所有一分一角我們都要好好的計畫使用，我只是覺得有不足的地方，你要多研議一下，不是好像有2萬塊，你就覺得很多，希望這方面可以再多一點比較好。","quality":0.705},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:00:55.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:29.560000+08:00","text":"在伯公站部分，剛才主委也有說要詳細看看如何改善、要去注意，希望資源可以讓大家雨露均霑，都可以用在客家人身上，尤其是照顧這些長輩。","quality":0.534},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:01:31.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:01:55.771000+08:00","text":"主委，在第二點的預算裡面，你們有新增一個6年規劃，總共有65億，在65億當中，115年第1期你們編十六億多要辦各項客家藝文發展計畫，這個計畫跟你們的客家傳播行銷計畫看起來是不是有一點類似？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:08.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:02:36.826000+08:00","text":"再來，在計畫當中，你們有一個國際客流文化內容，就是要拍攝電影作品讓全世界看到我們中華民國臺灣所有客家文化如何保留與生活，關於這點我要問主委，你們這是要拍什麼？","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:36.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:02:40.447000+08:00","text":"你們的預算當中有接近2億，你們要做什麼？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:02:40.447000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:03:05.518000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這16億裡面有包括客家電視台的營運6億，還有客家傳播基金會的預算2億，所以這個就占了一半以上，這是基本的。","quality":0.26},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:03:05.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:03:11.363000+08:00","text":"再來，剛才委員提到這要做什麼，針對臺灣客家文化內容，我們希望透過影視作品來到國際頻道放映、讓國際看得到。","quality":0.447},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:03:24.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:03:42.554000+08:00","text":"主委，你覺得要拍攝以後再去播送，不曉得你有沒有看過我們原住民小朋友帶隊到國外唱歌的那種感動，你有看到嗎？有。","quality":0.673},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:03:44.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:04:07.877000+08:00","text":"主委，我之所以會跟你說錄影跟拍片的都比較沒有真實感，但是你如果可以培養一批我們的國家隊可以在現場表演，我相信這個宣傳一定會更好。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:04:08.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:04:45.768000+08:00","text":"所以主委，我認為該花的錢及客家委員會的電台，我們也都一定要配合、支持相關經費，但我比較擔心的就是拍片之後怕沒人看，假設你帶人去唱客家文化的歌，像是桐花祭，你看那些小朋友在那裡表演、唱歌跳舞，那個多生動！","quality":0.67},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:04:46.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:05:03.819000+08:00","text":"主委，關於這個預算你們可以去研議一下，因為我覺得各方面都來做，可以讓你們想要的成果會更好，好不好？","quality":0.705},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:05:03.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:05:05.279000+08:00","text":"主委，你認為呢？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:05:07.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:05:23.303000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前有一個國家兒童客家合唱團，如同委員所說的，我們培育年輕的小朋友組成合唱團，他們從國小階段就可以……","quality":0.608},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-05-28T10:05:23.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:05:25.583000+08:00","text":"對，主委，要更加讓他們有表演的機會。以上。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:05:25.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:05:26.124000+08:00","text":"好，感謝王委員。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:05:26.624000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:05:28.624000+08:00","text":"謝謝王美惠委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:05:28.924000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:05:31.781143+08:00","text":"接下來請黃捷委員詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}