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台灣在地的客家文化"},{"start":257.518,"end":270.494,"text":"是,感謝委員,我們在過去12、12年內,學位都在朝鮮的公共旅遊部分發展,包括觀光署,非常多的國外做宣傳,我們還用泰國的機會發展,"},{"start":276.061,"end":301.288,"text":"我會給旅客還有國內旅客比如說有季節性的童話劇比如說像藝術劇比如說美食美食的計畫等等他們的角色都是一般大眾社會大眾可以有法律教書跟那個接觸到的所以跟觀光署的合作或是像這樣我會幫忙"},{"start":303.584,"end":318.392,"text":"對,那跟公安署的合作之後,那差異化很重要嘛對不對那我們就譬如說剛剛講的一個燃料文化好了台灣在地的燃料文化跟廣東、福建的燃料文化有哪些差異,或者說主委可不可以也趁今天這個機會來跟大家做分享"},{"start":320.572,"end":341.498,"text":"其實沒錯,文化只要在地之後,它會發展出某種樣的我舉最明顯的例子,就是飲食、食物這件事情像以前客家的蕾茶在台灣,大家的印象是甜的也是這二十幾年來發展出來的"},{"start":343.038,"end":345.281,"text":"但是在馬來西亞,馬來西亞的客家擂茶是鹹的,是泡飯的所以食物這規模窮困食物當中不只這樣,還有引力提防的發展比方說像東南亞,它是會加很多香料"},{"start":361.361,"end":367.625,"text":"也要加在菜上的咖哩等等但是台灣就沒有用台灣沒有它的香料客家的飲食裡面不會有這些香料但是會跟菜上的食材會有不一樣譬如說像那個菠菜、菠菜、芥菜"},{"start":381.733,"end":384.615,"text":"所以說在國際觀光的推展上面那也是希望說我們客會會"},{"start":400.385,"end":415.68,"text":"都是客家人一定會有一樣的地方一定也會因為歷史生活場之間的分開有不一樣的地方那也希望多多在比如說就像大家說有一個這個台灣也有福建有一個那個土樓嘛對不對"},{"start":416.781,"end":430.297,"text":"那實際上土樓這個隆起在台灣應該是從來沒有從來沒有過嘛台灣可能特價台灣就是三合院嘛對不對但是就這樣子的早期這樣的意象可能就跟在地的不一樣人家看得多可能就會認為說去大陸嘛甚至是這個大陸的這個土樓現在也是"},{"start":436.764,"end":463.451,"text":"不是客家人專屬啦而是其他民族也是有土樓這樣子的一個建築形式那就差異化就沒辦法出來了啦那另外還有一點時間因為晚一點要討論到預算嘛那我個人也有提出一些特別費的一些刪減啦那在這邊也可以先做一些討論啦那我們特別費支出啦因為去年比較特別啦那以前年來講的話我們特別費支出大概分成哪些大的區塊那它佔的比例大概是多少"},{"start":465.288,"end":467.169,"text":"那這三部分大概比例由高到低的話"},{"start":485.933,"end":503.438,"text":"我手頭上的數字我看一下兩層三層五層那五層是五層是對外部民間團體跟有關人士的機關之間的那個互相互相往來然後慰問這樣"},{"start":505.499,"end":511.449,"text":"那對內的部分呢?對,對內也有,比方說像我們的尾牙啦對,大概占幾層都一樣,這個在對內是三層"},{"start":517.492,"end":544.382,"text":"多內三層我想這個等一下當然討論最後其實我是不知道啦那我認為一個我們諸位啊多多可以把這樣子的預算用在照顧同仁身上那婚喪起敬這個以客委會的名義來說這個我認為是難免的這個代表您就代表台灣的客家群體的一個精神嘛的一個算是很高的一個領袖的地位那但是對外的部分我就認為這個比例超過五成可能有點太多了啦我想等一下還有時間來做一些討論以上好謝謝感謝委員"},{"start":547.383,"end":547.726,"text":"謝謝廖先祥、趙偉"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:15:51.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:15:51.068000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:15:51.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:15:51.268000+08:00","text":"邀請林主委。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林主任委員峯正","start":"2026-05-28T10:15:51.268000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:15:52.268000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:15:51.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:15:51.348000+08:00","text":"主委早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:15:51.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:16:13.577000+08:00","text":"今天先跟您討論金山青年活動中心這個案子，它上面有建物，土地是新北市政府的，建物目前是黨產會的權屬……沒有。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:16:15.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:16:19.120000+08:00","text":"國產署，國產署那一邊。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:16:19.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:16:41.109000+08:00","text":"現在因為地方上想要積極活化金山青年活動中心，這件事您也知道，因為土地所有權跟建物所有權不同，可能有一些訴訟問題，我就不講修法的問題還是怎麼樣，沒關係，我就依照你們現在的見解來看這件事情要怎麼推動下去。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:16:41.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:16:46.071000+08:00","text":"可不可以先說明一下現在建物的狀況跟它的法律定位？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"林主任委員峯正","start":"2026-05-28T10:16:46.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:05.426000+08:00","text":"其實金山青年活動中心是救國團主動放棄經營，所以它願意把建物交還，土地原來就是新北市政府的，建物又交還給國產署，所以整個變成都是公家的，但是所有權一個屬於中央、一個屬於地方。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"林主任委員峯正","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:06.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:17.897000+08:00","text":"這部分其實已經不牽涉到我們的業管，因為本來就不是我們的產權，也不是我們管理的，管理機關也不是我們，所以這個跟我們無關。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:17.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:19.538000+08:00","text":"所以現在這裡面還有訴訟嗎？沒有。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林主任委員峯正","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:19.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:20.318000+08:00","text":"無關，也沒有訴訟的問題。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:21.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:23.619000+08:00","text":"現在黨產會的意見是什麼？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"林主任委員峯正","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:23.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:30.881000+08:00","text":"因為它已經搬走了、遷走了，所以這個就是中央的財產管理機關跟地方財產機關怎麼協調的問題。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:30.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:37.162000+08:00","text":"好，所以如果未來國產署有任何有關建物的意見給黨產會的話，你們都會尊重國產署的意見嗎？","quality":0.59},{"speaker":"林主任委員峯正","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:37.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:39.423000+08:00","text":"我們樂觀其成，要好好地去利用。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"林主任委員峯正","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:39.423000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:40.943000+08:00","text":"當然，因為這不是我們的業管。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:40.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:41.124000+08:00","text":"謝謝主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:41.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:41.764000+08:00","text":"接下來請古主委。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:41.764000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:47.276667+08:00","text":"廖委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:47.276667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:52.789333+08:00","text":"主委早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:52.789333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:17:58.302000+08:00","text":"想跟您分享一下，當作聊聊天也沒關係。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:17:58.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:18:24.784000+08:00","text":"其實上次原民會來的時候，我跟他討論到原住民文化傳承上面，有政府的力量、有一些補助或者是舉辦一些活動等等，當然這是一個力量，但是還有一個很大的力量，在於民間自力更生的能力，也就是說，在講地方創生這件事情，其實就是國發會一直努力讓地方創生的團體不要藉由補助來過日，應該要有自力更生的能力。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:18:25.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:18:48.680000+08:00","text":"因此，我也就建議原民會在推廣方面，能夠多跟觀光署去做一些媒合，除了一些國內的旅遊推廣，也要多多來認識國際的旅客，講直接一點，即資本主義，或者說過生活的方式，讓他們有更多的資源能力，當然對他們來說，保存文化有更多的動力以及餘裕去做。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:18:48.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:19:08.886000+08:00","text":"我想客家文化也是一樣的概念，社會變遷本來就是慢慢地減少相關一些技藝的傳承，所以來了解我們客家文化分兩個部分：一個就是國內旅客，另外一個就是國際旅客，但是客家文化不是臺灣獨有的，沒錯吧？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:19:10.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:19:29.279000+08:00","text":"客家文化或者是客家朋友，大概都是從很早的中原播遷到中國大陸的南方，再播遷來臺灣，因此在俗稱客家人的時候，在國際認知上面會有臺灣的客家人以及廣東、福建中國大陸南方的這些客家人。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:19:29.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:19:39.206000+08:00","text":"因此在行銷上面，我們要做任何一個觀光行銷，最重要的是差異化的部分，怎麼樣去凸顯我們跟他們的不一樣？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:19:41.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:19:52.416000+08:00","text":"我隨便舉一個例子，譬如說藍染文化，這個算是我們大家非常耳熟能詳的，或是飲食方面吃粄條。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:19:52.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:20:05.506000+08:00","text":"我們在國際上面去訴說差異性的時候、推廣的時候，客委會過去有沒有怎麼樣來跟觀光署合作，或者是怎麼樣來凸顯臺灣在地的客家文化？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:20:06.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:20:07.940000+08:00","text":"感謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:20:08.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:20:50.168000+08:00","text":"沒錯，過去這二十多年來，客委會都有朝向觀光旅遊這部分來發展，包括觀光署或者是到國外做宣傳，我們會用大的計畫活動來吸引外國旅客及國內旅客，譬如說，有季節性的桐花祭、藝術季、美食計畫等等，這些確實都是一般社會大眾比較有辦法接受跟接觸到的，所以跟觀光署的合作，我想我們要加強。","quality":0.577},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:20:52.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:20:56.486000+08:00","text":"對，跟觀光署的合作之後，差異化很重要，對不對？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:20:57.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:21:04.470000+08:00","text":"就譬如剛剛講的藍染文化好了，臺灣在地的藍染文化，跟廣東、福建的藍染文化有哪些差異？","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:21:04.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:21:07.372000+08:00","text":"主委可不可以趁今天這個機會也來跟大家做分享？可以。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:21:09.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:21:14.614000+08:00","text":"其實沒錯，文化只要在地之後，它會發展出不一樣之處。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:21:15.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:21:32.579000+08:00","text":"我舉最明顯的例子就是飲食，即食物這件事情，像客家擂茶在臺灣，大家的印象是甜的，也是這二十幾年來發展出來的，但是去到馬來西亞，馬來西亞的客家擂茶是鹹的、是泡飯的，所以食物就很不一樣。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:21:32.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:21:56.105000+08:00","text":"再來，食物方面不只這樣，因為地方的發展，譬如說，像東南亞就會加很多的香料，或是加在地的咖哩等等，但是臺灣就不一樣，臺灣不會有這些香料，客家的飲食裡面不會有這些香料，會跟在地食材而有不同，譬如像福菜、芥菜，及人家說的梅干菜也是，製作方法跟產出流程及後面做出來的食物都有不一樣，太多細節了。","quality":0.469},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:22:10.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:22:48.605000+08:00","text":"所以在國際觀光的推展上面，希望客委會……都是客家人一定會有一樣的地方，一定也會因為歷史生活長時間的分開而有不一樣的地方，就像大家說福建有土樓，實際上土樓這個東西在臺灣應該是從來沒有過，對不對？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:22:48.605000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:22:51.268000+08:00","text":"沒有，沒錯，會在地化。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:22:51.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:22:54.171000+08:00","text":"可能客家人在臺灣就是三合院，對不對？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:22:54.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:22:57.575000+08:00","text":"這樣子的早期意象，可能就跟在地的不一樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:22:57.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:23:12.826000+08:00","text":"人家看土樓可能就會認為去大陸看，甚至大陸的土樓現在也不是客家人專屬，其他民族也有土樓這樣子的建築形式，差異化就沒辦法出來了。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:23:13.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:23:22.528000+08:00","text":"另外還有一點時間，因為晚一點要討論到預算，我個人有提出一些特別費的刪減，在這邊也可以先做一些討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:23:23.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:23:31.191000+08:00","text":"關於特別費的支出，因為去年比較特別，以前年來講的話，特別費的支出大概分成哪些大的區塊？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:23:31.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:23:32.431000+08:00","text":"占的比例大概是多少？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:23:32.431000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:23:34.308000+08:00","text":"婚喪喜慶上面，然後對外跟對內，對外就是社團、社區等等，對內就是會裡的禮品、獎金等等。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:23:34.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:23:36.169000+08:00","text":"這三部分大概比例由高到低的話？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:23:54.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:00.855000+08:00","text":"我看一下手頭上的數字，兩成、三成、五成。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:02.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:02.615000+08:00","text":"五成是？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:03.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:12.438000+08:00","text":"五成是對外部民間團體，跟有關人事機關之間的互相往來、慰問。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:14.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:15+08:00","text":"對內的部分呢？同仁？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:16.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:19.027000+08:00","text":"對內也有，比如說像我們的尾牙。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:19.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:19.728000+08:00","text":"大概占幾成？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:19.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:20.429000+08:00","text":"都一樣，對內是三成。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:28.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:51.642000+08:00","text":"當然最後討論的結果還不知道，我認為主委可以多多把這樣子的預算用在照顧同仁身上、婚喪喜慶，以客委會的名義來說，我認為是難免的，您就代表臺灣客家群體的一個精神，算是很高的領袖地位，但是對外的部分，我認為這比例超過五成，可能有點太多了。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:51.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:53.182000+08:00","text":"我想等一下還有時間來做一些討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:53.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:53.342000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:53.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:53.382000+08:00","text":"感謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:56.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:56.383000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:56.883000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:24:58.883000+08:00","text":"謝謝廖先翔召委。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:24:59.183000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:25:02.325857+08:00","text":"接下來請王鴻薇委員詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}