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因為法院可能這個堆積如山所以我們再養一個黨產會一年大概今年已經到五千萬"},{"start":496.434,"end":516.527,"text":"只是為了說你們在等待這些司法的訴訟我覺得很不合理啊而且請問一下如果按照現在你們也沒有什麼新的調查案件現在就是司法的訴訟那你們現在今年的預算還增加了這個大概將近800萬之多如果這樣合理嗎"},{"start":521.131,"end":544.601,"text":"我們先說明一下所謂訴訟問題我舉個例子一個訴訟如果一般我們在法院大概我想一年兩年頂多我們有很多訴訟在法院拖了三四年四五年而且是大多數主委請問一下你的年薪多少我就是一般政務官的年薪就是等同部長級的對不對"},{"start":547.082,"end":551.99,"text":"我看到預算262萬9千元那你會去出庭嗎"},{"start":553.444,"end":582.144,"text":"我們除了出庭還要準備很多的訴訟資料所以法院的訴訟基本上現在比較屬於在法務的團隊我要講的是黨產會到現在為止它有很多的訴訟我承認有些有些你們是勝訴的有些指標性案子你們也是敗訴所以現在都是在法院如果你們今天靠法院來續命而且呢預算越編越多"},{"start":582.944,"end":603.453,"text":"那這就很不合理啊我們錢都要放在刀口上嘛對不對所以我要講就是說如果按照剛才張志倫委員他所提供的資料也是過去您所講的話但是你們現在反而不但續命而且預算越編越多那就不合理啊"},{"start":605.122,"end":626.863,"text":"請問你們有些什麼新的事證或新的案子在調查嗎在每一個訴訟裡面原告都會提出他的意見也會攻擊我們我們就必須要繼續提供檔案資料在法庭上做呈現這個是我為什麼說不是只有出庭因為這些都牽涉到數十年的這些資料的問題"},{"start":628.957,"end":652.21,"text":"在這個過程裡面黨產會就一直延續下去每年花四五千萬很不合理啦這個過程裡面我們還有許可業務老師說你們現在的業務可以併到行政院有一個什麼任務型的編組就可以啦我們還有許可業務包括所有的負稅組織日常的用度我們都要審查"},{"start":653.471,"end":661.588,"text":"你們還有多少審查嗎如果10年來講你們都還審查不完審查不夠是你們的效率太差嗎因為我們要監管這些附屬組織的財產"},{"start":664.742,"end":689.022,"text":"所以你現在可能因為每年都可以有這個部長級的待遇再加上我們很多的副主任委員這個專任委員一堆但是我覺得錢 納稅人的錢應該用在刀口上如果現在只靠法官續命的話就不應該在每年浪費納稅人的錢四五千萬而且年年還增加預算那我就不懂為什麼了好不好"},{"start":690.523,"end":717.447,"text":"不是導國爺這是事實你可以看法院拖延了我們的訴訟你預算今年有沒有增加嗎你告訴我你今年預算有沒有增加增加是有一些預期多出來的費用預期多出來的費用你們業務沒有增加然後預算增加這實在是很奇怪的事情啊人家真的應該去照顧有很多的社會福利要花錢照顧的結果你們現在只剩下訴訟但是預算還增加就是不合理好不好"},{"start":720.357,"end":720.458,"text":"我實際在"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:25:20.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:25:23.418000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，先請古主委。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:25:23.418000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:25:30.243000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:25:30.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:25:30.623000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:25:32.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:25:41.111000+08:00","text":"先謝謝我們主委，就是上一次我質詢有關於客家幣1.0的執行並沒有我們雙北市的商店，你們在2.0的部分就會擴及雙北市，我先謝謝主委從善如流。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:25:52.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:26:31.029000+08:00","text":"但是我現在還是要幫我們雙北來請命，剛才有很多委員提到伯公照護站，一年大概都有超過3,000萬的預算，比方以115年來說的話，大概將近3,900萬，可是我們再看各縣市的執行，因為你們這個標準，使得很多的都會、城市，即便它的客家鄉親人數很多，但是卻完全沒有辦法分到一杯羹。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:26:31.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:26:41.633000+08:00","text":"以我們臺北市來說，臺北市到目前為止只有大安區誠安里有一個據點，一個伯公照護站。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:26:44.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:27:01.392000+08:00","text":"我去調過去的預算執行，過去10年，這個計畫其實已經很長了，一直到今年115年我們臺北市才能夠分配到6萬5,000塊。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:27:01.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:27:24.285000+08:00","text":"我剛才講今年的總預算是大概3,900萬左右，但是10年來，今年臺北市是第一次才有伯公照護站來服務我們的客家鄉親，那更不要說新北市，新北市都是掛零，我認為這很不合理。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:27:25.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:27:50.124000+08:00","text":"如果我們今天看臺灣客家人口排行榜，新北市高達六十七萬多人，我們臺北市也有45萬人，但是雙北到目前為止只有一個伯公照護站，我覺得這對雙北的客家鄉親來說並不合理。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:27:50.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:28:06.117000+08:00","text":"所以，我在這邊也希望客委會去修正伯公照護站的申請標準，因為你們這個申請標準，使得都會區申設伯公照護站非常困難。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:28:08.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:29:05.999000+08:00","text":"像臺南，其實臺南的客家人口比我們少很多，我不是說臺南市的客家鄉親不應該受到服務，但是臺南市的客家鄉親大概只有13萬人，我剛才說臺北市高達45萬人，可是以今年的預算來講，臺南市可以分配到49萬；另外，高雄市的客家鄉親人口數也比我們少，卻能夠分配到214萬，而臺北市只有6萬5,000塊、新北市掛零，而且這不是今年或這兩年的事情，而是長達10年的狀況，所以主委可不可以承諾伯公照護站的申請標準應該做適度的檢討跟修正？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:29:07.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:29:29.959000+08:00","text":"感謝王委員，從這些表來看，伯公照護站的辦法還是集中在客家重點發展區，像桃園、新竹、苗栗都是前三名，所以客家人口集中這一件事情是這個政策、這個補助辦法的標準，目前是這樣。","quality":0.613},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:29:32.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:29:51.515000+08:00","text":"剛才有其他委員，包括王委員都提出來，像雙北都會區的客家鄉親怎麼處理，我也要跟我的團隊再來討論這個補助辦法要怎麼調整，才可以照顧到散居的都會客家人口。","quality":0.754},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:29:51.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:30:03.972000+08:00","text":"對，因為我們審查今年度的預算，接下來明年度預算也會非常快速的送到立法院，所以我希望你們現在可以開始著手來修正這個政策，可以嗎？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:30:06.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:30:12.948000+08:00","text":"可以，我們會來研議看看，也會邀請地方政府跟社團共同來討論。是。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:30:13.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:31:32.177000+08:00","text":"另外，也謝謝主委有來跟我協調相關的預算，因為我對於補助風雨球場，我有一些意見，但是基本上我在預算上面，因為後來我看了你們提供的資料，你們提供的資料也算是很詳細，我有去查一些禾埕的資料，它是曬穀場，過去在傳統上因為它是一個廣場，所以也提供客家聚落的小朋友、年輕人一個聚會的場所，但是我看到你們執行的風雨球場，跟原來的客家庄的禾埕，我覺得那個味道還是有走調，我看到風雨球場，我以為應該是運動部補助的，就會覺得這應該是運動部的職責，是不是？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:31:32.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:32:26.788000+08:00","text":"所以如果你們要繼續補助，我目前願意支持，但是我覺得在落實的時候，是不是可以去呈現客家庄禾埕的特色，否則，大家看到的就是一個風雨操場，當然你們的說法是，有些客家鄉親的活動也會在這個地方舉辦，可是老實說我們的活動中心、公園，臺北市也常常在這些場地舉辦客家鄉親的活動，所以我就會覺得這中間就沒有客家文化、客家鄉親的特色在裡面，所以未來在落實執行的時候，希望能夠讓人家一看就知道這是客委會的補助，不然的話，我還以為都是運動部的政績。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:32:28.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:32:31.630000+08:00","text":"在執行的部分，是不是可以來做一個……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-05-28T10:32:31.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:32:32.851000+08:00","text":"我們可以回去檢討、調整，沒問題。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:32:37.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:32:40.355000+08:00","text":"好，時間暫停一下，主委請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:32:40.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:32:41.616000+08:00","text":"我請一下黨產會的林主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席（王委員美惠代）","start":"2026-05-28T10:32:41.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:32:42.177000+08:00","text":"請林主委。","quality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36:48.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:36:49.744000+08:00","text":"不是倒果為因，這是事實。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:36:49.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:36:55.189000+08:00","text":"你們的預算有沒有增加嘛？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:36:55.189000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:36:56.189000+08:00","text":"我問你，今年的預算有沒有增加？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林主任委員峯正","start":"2026-05-28T10:36:56.189000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:36:57.189000+08:00","text":"法院拖延我們的訴訟，一直……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:36:57.189000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:36:58.189000+08:00","text":"你告訴我，今年的預算有沒有增加？","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"林主任委員峯正","start":"2026-05-28T10:36:56.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:36:58.512000+08:00","text":"是增加一些預期多出來的費用。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:36:58.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:37:06.219000+08:00","text":"預期多出來的費用，可是你們現在業務沒有增加，但預算卻增加，這實在是很奇怪的事情。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林主任委員峯正","start":"2026-05-28T10:37:06.219000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:37:08.501000+08:00","text":"而且不是增加800萬……是去年被砍掉。","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T10:37:08.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:37:15.427000+08:00","text":"有很多社會福利才是我們真正應該要花錢去照顧的，結果你們現在只剩下訴訟，但是預算還增加就是不合理，好不好？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:37:15.927000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:37:16.927000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:37:17.227000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:37:19.798429+08:00","text":"感謝王鴻薇委員質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:37:20.098429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:37:22.955571+08:00","text":"我們請李柏毅召委質詢。","quality":0.1}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}