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沒問題所以我也要導正一下我們防備之外是委員監督嘛但是我們正向的政策特别是我們新成立的一個適應運動師他有個專章在講適應運動我們完全根據CRPD的一個概念來制定那個專章很好"},{"start":305.549,"end":335.189,"text":"期待那下一页我快速的讲因为下一次在审我的版本应该还有时间论述了就是配合这个儿少工作证排除在运动场域的不适任工作者之前运动部总是说要等卫福部的儿少权法那我提醒一下儿少权法已经预告修正了卫福部动起来运动部自己就快跟上不管是先用自己的行政规章来规范"},{"start":335.889,"end":361.664,"text":"或者是你甚至在國體法裡頭入法來更高位階的防範好嗎這個部分應當也在你們的參照範圍我們現階段的做法就是在兒少工作證的地方我們搭配著衛福部的一個做法我們現在可以做就是在已經在要求所有的教練要接受兒少保護的這些教育我們要先做不管法律的進度是如何那有不適任的我們要擴大"},{"start":362.825,"end":388.55,"text":"公布好嗎讓大家得以查詢而不是只限於在特定體育團體之間所有民間的學校啦社區俱樂部都要能夠透過這個機制讓大家可以勝選好嗎再下一個很快的我多次的提醒我自己是台灣女子棒球協會的榮譽理事長我在自己推動女棒的過程當中"},{"start":389.81,"end":410.146,"text":"一再的請你們去研修對於所有協會運動項目的補助要能夠尊重弱勢性別所以說呢像我現在發現你們這個社區俱樂部的補助裡頭又恐怕留於一般參與人數的那個框架"},{"start":411.067,"end":427.646,"text":"也就是你举办一次性的活动区域性的活动或者全国性的活动要参加多少人数以上我要提醒一些弱势的冷门的或是像女棒你没有办法跟男孩子打棒球放在一起他在争取这些补助"},{"start":428.607,"end":451.361,"text":"的内容上就应当更有弹性甚至针对弱势的性别人数可以用制度化的一部分的加权也好或是你更有弹性我想这应当可以做到我们来努力的往这边来方向来走因为其实我个人来这一次见到政府来工作就是八个多月的时间我觉得我们长期以来被那个KPI给绑住了"},{"start":451.781,"end":475.214,"text":"KPI就是我需要多少人沒錯我們錯把手段當目的很好我們看到的是我只要達到這些人數我就沒事了可是我們真正的政策目標是什麼我們真正的目標是要能夠以這個案例來講是運動平權我們希望最後的目的應該是如此而不是在乎我到底補助了多少人所以我們要去慢慢的去調整我們的一些思維不要被KPI綁死"},{"start":475.914,"end":503.521,"text":"是不要被KPI绑死同样的面对不同的运动项目在发展的过程可能要给弱势项目多一点支持不要用同样的标准去绑死他限制他还没长大就掐死他了最后一项我有两页也就是保障运动团体的女性决策权我具体的试算出全国性的体育事务用财团法人来算董建是基本上都可以做到"},{"start":504.401,"end":530.783,"text":"将近三成这个是全国性的体育事务财产法人董建士的性别统计所以对于我们的修法内容三分之一就更有底气最后一页呢同样的我试列出与协足协篮协体操协会排球协会棒协我做出了一个整理就是呢各个协会里头的专项委员会的性别比入法"},{"start":532.247,"end":557.049,"text":"恐怕有一些还有差距比如说我从后面讲出来棒球协会里面呢他的七个专项委员会里面只有一个达到三分之一排协七个单项只有一个体操七分之三篮球七分之四足球做得相对好七分之六而雨鞋是百分之百都达标的所以说专项委员会要达标还是需要"},{"start":558.061,"end":558.561,"text":"谢谢吴司"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:58:05.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:58:05.771000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，辛苦了！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:58:06.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:58:06.192000+08:00","text":"請次長。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T10:58:06.192000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:58:09.288667+08:00","text":"有請黃次長。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T10:58:09.288667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:58:12.385333+08:00","text":"委員，你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:58:12.385333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:58:15.482000+08:00","text":"大家辛苦了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:58:15.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:58:27.972000+08:00","text":"國民體育法在2016年有一個最大幅度的翻修，那個時候我們透過修法，讓運動的參與更開放、更多元，也能夠更透明，而且更尊重專業。","quality":0.673},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:58:30.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:58:39.222000+08:00","text":"2024年我們局部修正，再去擴大運動平權跟學生賽事的保險，也提升了國手的保護等等。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:58:40.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:58:52.448000+08:00","text":"今天主席又排審了，只是思瑤的案子沒有被列在今天的項目裡頭有點可惜，但我還是優先來論述我的主張。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:58:52.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:58:58.492000+08:00","text":"我當然一樣主張主管單位要更新，在成立運動部之後，要把法制作業完備。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:58:59.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:59:14.203000+08:00","text":"第二個是不適任教練的資訊要公開，既然成立了運動部，在這方面的作業就要更積極、要主動建立不適任教練的查詢系統。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:59:14.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:59:16.324000+08:00","text":"再來，在單項委員會選舉要強化性別保障條文，增進運動平權。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:59:23.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:59:35.052000+08:00","text":"當然剛剛也有委員關心到理監事的性別保障，聽到你們更正向的說法，不只理事，監事也要，我非常支持，也謝謝您。","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:59:37.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:59:45.374000+08:00","text":"您剛剛回答，運動部現在正在研議再一次的修法，預計8月份要送……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T10:59:46.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:59:50.857000+08:00","text":"我們應該在下個禮拜會通報，因為這麼大的修改……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T10:59:50.857000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T10:59:51.857000+08:00","text":"也要公告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T10:59:51.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T10:59:59.261000+08:00","text":"行政院要求我們先通報，讓行政院初審，沒有問題之後回到部裡，我們再預告，預告完之後再做……OK。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T10:59:59.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:08.066000+08:00","text":"因為預告完會有意見，我們做個調整之後，我們目前的目標是希望8月可以正式報到行政院做法案的審理。","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:08.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:11.928000+08:00","text":"那就是下會期有可能送進立法院來審議了？是的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:12.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:14.509000+08:00","text":"這一次你們修正的一些重點？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:15.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:31.075000+08:00","text":"關於修正的重點，其實大家關心的地方很多，不適任教練是我們最重要的點，以前的不適任教練只有限制，也就是規範到特定體育團體，我們強烈地要求，我們連非特定體育團體也要求納進來……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:31.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:31.335000+08:00","text":"很好，我們支持。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:31.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:37.818000+08:00","text":"我們對教練明定了消極資格，也就是他如果被納入了這個，他就絕對不可以再進來……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:37.818000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:38.818000+08:00","text":"好，我支持、我同意。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:38.818000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:39.818000+08:00","text":"那其他的部分呢？","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:38.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:40.399000+08:00","text":"在性別比例上面，我們也做了明確地規範……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:40.399000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:43.481000+08:00","text":"也會再提升，好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:43.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:55.899000+08:00","text":"對於以前法律沒有明確授權的部分，我們在這一次的修法當中做了明確地授權，對於申訴管道，我們也希望透過合意仲裁的方式來做處理。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:56.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:00:56.940000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:00:56.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:01:18.985500+08:00","text":"聽起來我們都是在擴大對於運動團體的一些限制，這些管理跟限制是為了避免有弊端產生，這當然要做，但是防弊之外，也要興利啦！是的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:01:18.985500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:01:41.031000+08:00","text":"我希望能夠在珍貴的再次修法過程當中，你們真的善用成立運動部的量能，如何更正向來推廣臺灣的全民運動以及競技運動。","quality":0.058},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:01:41.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:01:51.176000+08:00","text":"我這裡秀出來的是我自己競選立委連任的運動政見，還有李洋部長就任的願景，當然大部分方向一致，我希望這些項目都會落實在你們修法的內容當中，也就是防弊之外，不要忘了興利，把正向的政策支持要放進來。","quality":0.341},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:01:52.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:02:22.661000+08:00","text":"否則，我認為在立法院10年，每次面對國民體育法的改革、修正，我永遠在面對這個要防、那個要擋，我想除了防弊之外，更正向的，例如我認為在強化運動外交的部分，李洋部長也講到提升臺灣舉辦國際大型賽會的量能，不管是input、output，我們可以把人帶到臺灣來參與運動賽會，也累積我們舉辦賽會的點數、資格，對不對？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:02:27.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:02:39.050000+08:00","text":"一樣我把運動員送出去，這些正向的運動外交內容可不可以盡可能含括在你們的修法當中給予政策的支持，好嗎？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:02:39.050000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:02:40.050000+08:00","text":"有的、有的，是的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:02:39.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:02:43.393000+08:00","text":"有就好，但您剛剛都沒講到，您剛剛只講到這些防弊、防弊、防弊，所以我做個提醒。","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:02:43.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:02:43.833000+08:00","text":"沒錯，因為委員長期來關心……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:02:45.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:02:47.175000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:02:47.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:02:51.599000+08:00","text":"所以我也要導正一下，我們防弊之外，委員來監督嘛！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:02:51.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:02:53.420000+08:00","text":"但是我們正向政策的擘劃要入法。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:02:53.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:02:56.683000+08:00","text":"特別是我們新成立的一個適應運動司，它有個專章在講適應運動，我們完全根據CRPD的概念來制定那一個專章。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:02:56.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:03:04.709000+08:00","text":"很好，期待。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:03:05.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:03:16.857000+08:00","text":"我快速地講，因為下一次在審我的版本時應該還有時間論述，就是配合兒少工作證，排除在運動場域的不適任工作者。","quality":0.646},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:03:17.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:03:41.993000+08:00","text":"之前運動部總是說要等衛福部的兒少權法，我提醒一下兒少權法已經預告修正了，衛福部動起來，運動部自己就快跟上，不管是先用自己的行政規章來規範，甚至是在國體法裡頭入法來做更高位階的防範，好嗎？","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:03:41.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:03:44.675000+08:00","text":"這個部分應當也在你們的參照範圍。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:03:45.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:03:58.723000+08:00","text":"現階段的做法就是，在兒少工作證這個部分我們搭配著衛福部的做法，我們現在可以做的，就是已經要求所有的教練要接受兒少保護教育，這些我們要先做，不管法律進度是如何。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:03:59.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:04:03.365000+08:00","text":"有不適任的，我們要擴大公布，好嗎？是的。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:04:03.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:04:09.847000+08:00","text":"讓大家得以查詢，而不是只限於在特定體育團體之間……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:04:09.847000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:04:10.847000+08:00","text":"不是，沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:04:09.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:04:17.488000+08:00","text":"在所有民間的學校、社區俱樂部都要能夠透過這個機制，讓大家可以慎選，好嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:04:17.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:04:55.393000+08:00","text":"再下一個很快的，我多次地提醒，我自己是臺灣女子棒球協會的榮譽理事長，我在自己推動女棒的過程當中一再請你們去研修，對於所有協會運動項目的補助要能夠尊重弱勢性別，像我現在發現在你們社區俱樂部的補助裡，恐怕又流於一般參與人數的框架，也就是舉辦一次性的活動、區域性的活動或是全國性的活動，而參加少數多少以上。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:04:56.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:05:19.754000+08:00","text":"我要提醒，對於一些弱勢的、冷門的項目或者是像女棒，你沒有辦法跟男孩子打棒球放在一起，在爭取這些補助的內容上就應當更有彈性，甚至針對弱勢的性別人數可以用制度化的方式，用一部分的加權也好，或是你更有彈性，我想這應當可以做到吧？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:05:19.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:05:21.996000+08:00","text":"我們努力往這個方向來走。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:05:22.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:05:34.423000+08:00","text":"其實，我個人這一次進到政府單位工作八個多月的時間，我覺得我們長期以來被KPI給綁住了，KPI就是我需要有多少人，我們錯把手段當目的……","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:05:34.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:05:34.923000+08:00","text":"沒錯，很好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:05:35.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:05:40.406000+08:00","text":"我們看到的是，只要達到這些人數就沒事了，可是我們真正的政策目標是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:05:40.406000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:05:41.406000+08:00","text":"不要迷信KPI。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:05:40.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:05:44.008000+08:00","text":"以這個案例來講，我們真正的目標是要能夠達到運動平權……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:05:44.008000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:05:45.008000+08:00","text":"沒錯，我非常支持。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:05:44.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:05:54.194000+08:00","text":"我們希望到最後的目的應該是如此，而不是在乎我到底補助了多少人，所以我們要慢慢地調整一些思維，不要被KPI綁死。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:05:54.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:05:56.534000+08:00","text":"是，不要被KPI綁死。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:05:56.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:06:09.078000+08:00","text":"同樣的，面對不同的運動項目在發展的過程，可能要給弱勢項目多一點支持，不要用同樣的標準去綁死它、限制它，還沒長大就掐死它了。","quality":0.618},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:06:09.078000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:06:10.078000+08:00","text":"沒錯、沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:06:09.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:06:33.249000+08:00","text":"最後一項我有兩頁，也就是保障運動團體的女性決策權，我具體試算出全國性體育事務財團法人董監事男女比，基本上都可以做到將近三成，這個是全國性體育事務財團法人董監事的性別統計，所以對於我們的修法內容三分之一就更有底氣。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:06:34.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:06:53.629000+08:00","text":"最後一頁，同樣的，我試列出羽協、足協、籃協、體操協會、排球協會、棒協，我做出了一個整理，就是對於各個協會裡的專項委員會性別比入法，恐怕有一些還有差距。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:06:54.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:07:11.605000+08:00","text":"譬如說，我從後面往上講，棒球協會的7個專項委員會裡面只有1個達到三分之一；排協的7個單項只有1個達標；體操是七分之三；籃球是七分之四；足球做得相對好，是七分之六；而羽協是百分之百都達標。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:07:12.105000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:07:26.962143+08:00","text":"所以專項委員會要達標還是需要進用女性的運動參與者，也要強化女性進入各項協會的管理層，這都是我們努力的目標。是的。","quality":0.135},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:07:27.262143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:07:32.976429+08:00","text":"未來在審國體法時，我們真的還有時間可以多談。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-05-28T11:07:33.276429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:07:46.990714+08:00","text":"非常肯定次長，每一次跟您對話，我都感受到您在實務上、在政策的掌握上都非常好，有您幫忙真好，大家一起加油，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:07:47.290714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:07:48.433571+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T11:07:48.733571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:07:53.019286+08:00","text":"謝謝吳思瑤委員的質詢，請次長回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T11:07:53.319286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:07:57.890714+08:00","text":"下一位我們有請羅智強委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}