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參與的人數真的是非常的多所以這部分是不是也可以用一個過午約時間來做說明"},{"start":201.789,"end":223.692,"text":"好的好不好那在下一個部分呢我快快講一下就是說我們一縣市一市運動場地之前是有來跟我們說會成立據點但是我覺得只有據點不夠是不是可不可以也做一個研議來一縣市一市運動場地呢那這部分的研議大概什麼時候可以提供給我們一個研議的規劃方向三個月可以嗎可以三個月好謝謝謝謝謝謝張良恩"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:55:50.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:55:57.993000+08:00","text":"有請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T11:55:58.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:55:58.173000+08:00","text":"請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:56:05.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:56:06.222000+08:00","text":"委員你好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:56:06.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:56:11.724000+08:00","text":"次長，其實我就是要來問有關於不適任教練公告的部分，今天在早先好像有其他委員已經有詢問了……","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:56:11.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:56:15.045000+08:00","text":"不好意思，我聽不到。抱歉。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:56:15.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:56:28.568000+08:00","text":"我今天就是要來詢問有關於不適任教練公告的機制，因為從這張表你可以非常清楚的知道，其實現在教練的系統是更為複雜，場域也是更為複雜，然後主管機關的掌握程度也是非常的分散。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:56:28.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:56:37.232000+08:00","text":"今天有聽到你們會在國體法裡面去做這個修正，那就是呼應了我在一年前提出來的修法，我想知道進度，什麼時候會送進來？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:56:37.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:56:47.980000+08:00","text":"現在國體法修正草案的部分已經完成了，我們將在下個禮拜會報到行政院做通報的事情，因為行政院要求重大法案，而且是大量的修改……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:56:48.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:56:50.021000+08:00","text":"好，下禮拜你們會送到行政院，什麼時候會預告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:56:51.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:56:53.963000+08:00","text":"行政院初審完之後，我們就會做預告了。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:56:54.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:56:54.963000+08:00","text":"好，了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:56:55.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:57:19.871000+08:00","text":"再下一個問題是關於兒少工作證的部分，因為在我的國體法版本裡面其實有提到兒少工作證，就像我剛剛講的，我們這個場域是更為複雜，而且這幾年大家都可以看到運動領域的性侵、性騷案件層出不窮，我們是不是可以率先在國體法裡面把兒少工作證納入呢？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:57:22.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:57:23.895000+08:00","text":"兒少工作證這個部分，我們會搭配著衛福部的……","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:57:24.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:57:33.823000+08:00","text":"因為兒權法的部分，現在時間還比較久，如果兒權法修正時間到明年的話，那我們是要等到明年再去做這些事情嗎？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:57:33.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:57:42.430000+08:00","text":"我們現在的做法是這樣子，對於教練的部分，我們在他養成的過程當中，會強制要求他做一些兒少權益、兒少保護的課程訓練。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:57:43.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:57:45.632000+08:00","text":"但是即使他們沒有上這些課程，你們也沒有追蹤啊！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:57:46.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:57:47.773000+08:00","text":"我們現在開始，因為我們之前……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:57:48.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:57:52.434000+08:00","text":"好，那沒關係，你什麼時候可以提供給我一個你們追蹤機制的說明呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:57:55.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:57:59.236000+08:00","text":"因為你們之前也都有要求他們去上課，可是他們沒有去上課也沒有關係啊！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:57:59.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:58:03.398000+08:00","text":"所以我想知道這個追蹤機制你們要怎麼建立，什麼時候可以給我這個說明？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:58:04.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:58:04.792000+08:00","text":"一個月好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:58:05.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:58:09.195000+08:00","text":"好，一個月，我希望除了書面之外，我們就約個時間來討論，好不好？好。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:58:09.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:58:10.696000+08:00","text":"這才能夠落實啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:58:10.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:58:20.163000+08:00","text":"因為現實上不管是性侵或是性騷，甚至也有不當訓練的案件，監察院的報告其實也都有提到，所以這部分我們再做詳細的討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:58:20.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:09.989000+08:00","text":"再下一個部分，我想要回應一下剛剛葉元之委員講的足球訓練，我覺得有一個東西非常關鍵，其實足球的訓練是走俱樂部系統的，FIFA的趨勢是往俱樂部，可是當學校體育班和俱樂部重疊的時候，學校會不允許小孩去參加俱樂部的比賽，其實這就背離了整個俱樂部、整個FIFA的概念，我覺得這個問題是必須要解決的，因為現場就是如此，當小孩同時是校隊又同時是俱樂部的時候，他就必須要擇一，可是如果他從學校的方向去前進的話，其實不是在FIFA的概念之下，關於這部分，如果我們真的要培訓這一條人才，因為參與人數真的是非常多，所以這部分運動部是不是也可以跟我約時間來做說明？好的。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:10.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:23.163000+08:00","text":"再下一個部分，我快快講一下，有關一縣市一適應運動場地，你們之前是有來跟我們說會成立據點，但是我覺得只有據點不夠，可不可以針對一縣市一適應運動場地來研議呢？","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:23.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:24.224000+08:00","text":"這個我們再來研議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:24.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:27.708000+08:00","text":"這部分大概什麼時候可以提供給我一個研議規劃的方向？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:28.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:29.550000+08:00","text":"三個月？可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:31.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:31.472000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:31.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:31.472000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:31.972000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:36.257714+08:00","text":"謝謝張雅琳委員的質詢，請次長回座。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:36.557714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:41.129143+08:00","text":"下一位有請王鴻薇委員進行詢答，3分鐘。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}