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我了解所以這個方向如果確定的話那麼時間上我覺得可能要加快腳步你看現在天氣熱成這樣子那一旦放暑假大量的學生或者是活動人口他到時候沒有我最怕是沒有合格的場所好不好以上謝謝謝謝委員謝謝王紅"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:43.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:44.994000+08:00","text":"好的，感謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:45.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:46.536000+08:00","text":"我請運動部次長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:46.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:46.996000+08:00","text":"請黃次長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:46.996000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T11:59:47.996000+08:00","text":"委員你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T11:59:47.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:00:16.918000+08:00","text":"次長，最近天氣非常炎熱，而且夏天已經提前來到，不管是海域活動，還有很多地方，學校也好、運動中心也好，游泳池的遊客一定會增加，但是有一個老問題仍然沒有辦法解決，就是救生員大缺工。","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:00:18.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:00:46.070000+08:00","text":"現在業者是叫苦連天，這個事情其實已經延續好多年，但是一直都沒有辦法解決，現在連一些公立的游泳池都因為缺救生員，所以沒有辦法開放，我要講的是，這一定會影響我們夏日最重要的遊憩活動，就是有關於海域活動及游泳池。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:00:47.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:01:18.009000+08:00","text":"這個部分最近其實有很多媒體在討論，我們從108年把原來委託民間檢定，到後來是由你們的前身體育署自辦，由國家來檢定，預算年年增加，預算其實增加非常多，但是通過的人數又比之前減少非常多。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:01:19.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:01:28.223000+08:00","text":"救生員缺工有很多面向，第一個，現在考照通過的人數比以前大幅地減少。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:01:29.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:01:40.007000+08:00","text":"第二個，救生員也有低薪的問題，或者他覺得沒有前景的問題，這些都是原因，但問題是要怎麼樣解決？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:01:41.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:01:59.241000+08:00","text":"我記得我在兩年前就在業者的拜託之下、陳情之下召開記者會，提出救生員的人力缺口一直沒有辦法補足，可是兩年後，業者仍然跟我陳情，怎麼辦呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:02:00.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:02:20.550000+08:00","text":"第一個，除非你要逼迫這些業者違規經營，沒有足夠的救生員，這是非常危險的事情，他要遵守相關法令，最後就是有些業者被迫不能開業或者縮減泳道，都有這種狀況，其實我覺得最危險的是一些海域。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:02:22.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:02:53.242000+08:00","text":"所以業者提出了一個方向，我現在也希望運動部能夠跟勞動部研商，也就是我們仍然有新南向政策，針對這些有證照的外籍救生員，比如在哨音或者是國際通用的救生手勢或標準的救援動作，其實在國際上有一些共通標準。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:02:53.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:03:12.648000+08:00","text":"他在語言上可能沒有辦法講中文，可是在這些救生的手勢也好、動作也好，事實上是共通的，所以可不可以採引進新南向外籍救生員的方式來補足現在的人力缺口？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T12:03:14.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:03:21.591000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，我們的確是在研議當中，而且他們進來的話，我們不考學科，因為語言的關係，我們只考術科，我們目前正在研議當中。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:03:21.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:03:25.092000+08:00","text":"大概多久可以有一些具體的政策，夏天已經到了，多久？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T12:03:28.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:03:33.981000+08:00","text":"因為我們剛開始在考慮這個問題，的確人力的缺乏是一個問題。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:03:34.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:03:36.122000+08:00","text":"一定要解決，不能夠長期……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T12:03:36.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:03:44.226000+08:00","text":"對，初步的想法就是我們不要考學科，因為語言，但是術科一定要考，否則我們不知道還有沒有那個能力來擔任這樣的工作。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:03:44.226000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T12:03:45.226000+08:00","text":"對，沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T12:03:44.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:03:53.372000+08:00","text":"我們後續還必須要跟勞動部進行協商，因為引進外籍的勞動力不是單一我們可以決定的。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:03:53.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:04:00.175000+08:00","text":"我了解，所以這個方向如果確定的話，我覺得時間上可能要加快腳步，你看現在天氣熱成這樣。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T12:04:00.175000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T12:04:01.175000+08:00","text":"好，我了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:04:01.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:04:10.641000+08:00","text":"一旦放暑假，大量的學生或者是活動人口，我最怕的是沒有合格的場所，好不好？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-05-28T12:04:11.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:04:11.322000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-05-28T12:04:11.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-28T12:04:11.402000+08:00","text":"沒錯，謝謝委員。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T12:04:11.902000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T12:04:16.187714+08:00","text":"謝謝王鴻薇委員的質詢，請次長回座。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-28T12:04:16.487714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-28T12:04:21.630571+08:00","text":"下一位有請林倩綺委員進行詢答，時間3分鐘。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}