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所以今天的垂行我就請教了"},{"start":390.482,"end":404.961,"text":"那我們NCC的預算要怎麼來省 已經停擺在即嘛七月底傳媒 然後現在要省他NCC的一個預算"},{"start":406.062,"end":430.534,"text":"那我請教陳代理主委那再來的審查預算是不是要由我們剛升任為我們主秘的溫主秘來作為預算的審查的一個報告跟說明最後預算的執行也是要由剛升任的溫主秘"},{"start":431.694,"end":458.961,"text":"來做預算執行的一個擔當跟負責是不是這樣跟我們報告8月1號以後NCC的機關首長是誰這個是還是未知數這邊我沒有辦法評論但是就是說同仁在自己的職位上該做什麼事情都該做那預算的部分因為是屬於我跟任主任代理主委講預算我們委員我們委員會也會盡責的審查"},{"start":461.834,"end":484.567,"text":"但是這樣的一個人事調動 我認為我們NCC的一個尊嚴 當然無存那我在這裡也要再次的強調 NCC作為我國通信傳播監理的核心機關 攸關國家安全 打炸防制"},{"start":485.527,"end":501.137,"text":"媒體的監理跟通訊的秩序其正常運作本來就是NCC最基本的一個責任當行政院刻意的一個擺爛 直不提名委員 嚴重的怠惰"},{"start":502.057,"end":520.4,"text":"如今甚至可能一腳踩破NCC獨立機關的顏面直接深入政治的黑手身為獨立機關的代理首長我們稱代理主委NCC已經面臨生死的存亡"},{"start":521.281,"end":544.7,"text":"期待陳代理主委你拿出你應有的態度在最後的任期當中應該要拒絕這樣政治性質介入的人事安排並向行政院再次的請命應該儘速的提出NCC委員的人選這樣也才能夠讓我們社會"},{"start":548.863,"end":562.578,"text":"能夠看到我們NCC的獨立風骨好 謝謝委員後半部分的NCC的委員提名部分我會持續跟行政院方面來澄清反應好 謝謝謝謝總召 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