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多久可以給我一個報告我們盡快好不好 我們盡快 然後我們一兩個月內好不好一兩個月內那第二個 這部分真的很重要我知道啦 所以我今天會提嘛那第二個 移工懷孕的理想與現實那根據勞動部提供給立法院的資料"},{"start":532.972,"end":539.236,"text":"移工勤領勞保生育給付的人數110年是3632人111年就增加到了4900人那112年又增加到5687人現在113年又來到5800多人"},{"start":549.443,"end":571.204,"text":"那從110年到113年增加了2169人成長將近六成這不是少數個案也不是偶爾發生的事我要先講清楚當然這些我現在講這些數字是有勞保資格的可以領生意給付的移工多數多數家事移工如果沒有普通勞保是不在這個統計裡面"},{"start":573.166,"end":587.023,"text":"所以現在問題更清楚就是說有申請勞保的移工生意給付的人數已經逐年增加沒有普通勞保的家事移工懷孕待產產後或攜帶子女的需要安置時又可能進入救安基金的支應安置體系"},{"start":588.965,"end":614.325,"text":"那 移工懷孕 尤其是家庭看護育這個 看護工的懷孕政府的回答永遠很標準就歡迎大家打1955啊然後提供移工婦幼權益保障指引協助諮詢 協助安置 協助轉換但我要問的是這些服務能不能解決雇主最困難的這個難題啊那 人誰來補 空窗誰來接"},{"start":616.926,"end":637.451,"text":"你現在問的這個問題其實就跟就是剛才上面那個問題的延伸就是當今天這個勞工他發生了各種狀況的時候有可能會對這個僱主產生空窗這時候有沒有可能有更多的國家的照顧資源可以來填補這個需求其實跟我們在問的上面一個問題是一樣的"},{"start":639.051,"end":664.213,"text":"所以我們其實為什麼會非常非常重視這個我們怎麼樣子這個兩部的一起來合作來支應這些重症需求者他的照顧需求我們為什麼這麼看重的原因是在這裡因為我們就財務面來講就是說呃騙過一個家庭幫傭不含時數每個月成本大概將近要3萬元那碰到這個這個呃漁工懷孕的時候他又必須要繼續也不能夠把他"},{"start":665.957,"end":672.871,"text":"請辭嘛 他還繼續要聘僱嘛那這個部分對一般的家庭來講他的負擔是增加的非常的重啊"},{"start":674.297,"end":700.786,"text":"所以我現在講的意思是說我們應該有一個配套比如說就業安定費然後我們跟僱主收錢是不是這些錢可以用在這些地方來協助我們這些家屬跟文說明第一個其實現在剛才在講的喘息的服務其實有很多就是用就業安定費收到的錢來去做指引那未來我們對於提供的服務甚至可以花在這部分的錢"},{"start":701.426,"end":726.752,"text":"我們也可以覺得有檢討的空間好啦那我最後面我就要求三件事第一就是廢除或大幅縮減這個剛剛我們講那個空窗期建立人力調度的資料庫以確保僱主在空窗期能夠獲得及時合法的短期替代人力那第二全面檢討就業安定費的用途公開透明告訴我們這筆錢用在支持"},{"start":727.412,"end":743.448,"text":"家事移工雇主上面的具體的項目跟成效啦那第三個提出立即提出解決移工懷孕所造成的人力斷層的具體的配套而不要給不是給一個這個諮詢的指引就打發掉可以嗎"},{"start":744.228,"end":762.103,"text":"跟文說明其實第一個老母當然不是要去鼓勵移工懷孕但沒有要去鼓勵移工懷孕是當這個狀況發生我現在要講的意思就是說你自己也超過六分鐘我才超過三分鐘而已嘛對不對這個時間已經超過快五分鐘我最後一題等他回答好不好那個"},{"start":765.422,"end":776.739,"text":"剛剛我講那三個你給我報告可以嗎可以可以嗎我現在講的就是這個好那多久兩個月好謝謝部長好謝謝邱政軍委員發言接下來請王育民委員發言"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}