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:"2026-06-03T10:46:51.150000+08:00","text":"所以這次的修法就是參照我們與其他檢察官、地檢署，甚至檢察長、法務部執法單位提到的重點。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:46:51.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:15.670000+08:00","text":"你講到法務部相關的部分，陸域盜採的特性是具有隱蔽性，不像在海域，我們有海巡弟兄，陸域常常是在深山裡面或者人跡罕至之所在，所以它具有一定的隱蔽性，你同意嗎？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:15.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:17.633000+08:00","text":"同意，所以我們針對圖層的套疊……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:18.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:22.961000+08:00","text":"你要有相關誘因去讓這些不法行為能夠被揭發出來。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:25.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:31.063000+08:00","text":"在行政院的方案裡面，有一個查報獎勵金。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:31.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:40.713000+08:00","text":"這個獎金是不是足以提供相關的誘因，能夠加強對陸域盜採的隱蔽性加以揭發？","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:40.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:45.838000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指導這個方向，我們將來在討論方案修正的時候會提出來。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:46.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:53.045000+08:00","text":"而且地方政府基層公務人員有沒有相關的查緝能量，你也要注意一下，怎麼樣落實查處？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:53.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:55.548000+08:00","text":"是，非常感謝委員關心。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:56.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:12.460000+08:00","text":"我關心，但是你們要去落實，中央制定法令、制定政策，立法院通過修法之後，地方政府怎麼去查處，沒有人力就沒有辦法查處，怎麼辦？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:12.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:22.462000+08:00","text":"人力這個問題包括資源協處，特別是中央，不管是各個局屬，對地方政府所推動的業務，我們都會來支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:23.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:31.944000+08:00","text":"我相信徒法要執行一定要有充足的人力及預算，還有相關的科技設備。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:31.944000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:33.184000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員指導。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:33.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:34.844000+08:00","text":"我們剛剛講的無人機非常重要。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:37.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:44.538000+08:00","text":"另外，第三個問題，整復保證金有沒有可能入法？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:46.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:49:07.894000+08:00","text":"不要日後復原還要用國家預算來做，這部分在歐盟、美國、其他國家都有相關的制度，所以能不能參照水保法，適用水土保持保證金繳納及保管應用辦法裡面的精神，能不能用這個方式？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:49:10.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:49:19.251000+08:00","text":"否則萬一發生業者脫產或行為人脫產或倒閉，拒不整復，這個部分怎麼處理？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-06-03T10:49:21.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:49:39.919000+08:00","text":"我們好好來思考這個問題，因為保證金的繳處，是不是會籍此來免除它的責任，除此之外，我們現行在執行法規上面，為了防止它脫產，情節嚴重可能會實施代理行假扣押……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:49:40.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:02.816000+08:00","text":"這種組織性、集團性的犯罪行為，絕對後路已經斷好了，它絕對早就脫產了，所以你能夠借鏡歐盟跟美國相關的制度，歐盟是財務保證，美國是付款保證金，這些先進國家都用這種方式去處理，何況我們的情況比他們更嚴重許多，對不對？","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:04.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:19.904000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，相關國家的規定是針對合法砂石廠，它提出申請的時候可能要有一些保證金，非常感謝委員提供這些資料，是不是將來這個法規通過之後，我們訂定子法來思考？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:21.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:37.319000+08:00","text":"我還是很重視執行面，執行面一定要有預算、人力及設備，還有相關的配套制度，這一點提醒經濟部，修法一定會通過，但是要怎麼落實要靠跨部會，要靠中央和地方政府通力合作，謝謝。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:38.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:38.220000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員指導。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:38.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:41.862857+08:00","text":"謝謝邱志偉召委，謝謝次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:42.162857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:43.877143+08:00","text":"現在休息8分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:44.177143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:45.320000+08:00","text":"休息（10時50分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:45.620000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:47.048571+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:47.348571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:49.062857+08:00","text":"我們繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:49.362857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:52.505714+08:00","text":"盧縣一、盧縣一，盧縣一委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:52.805714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:55.948571+08:00","text":"葉元之、葉元之，葉元之委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:56.248571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:59.391429+08:00","text":"何欣純、何欣純，何欣純委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:59.691429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:51:03.405714+08:00","text":"接下來我們請蔡易餘委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}