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就是總天數不變那如果有一個家長所以有一個人如果他這個兩年的育嬰假他已經請滿了結果他的小孩三到六歲的時候你說這個放寬六歲以下還有育兒假請問他還有育兒假可以請嗎在目前的法規裡面是沒有的"},{"start":538.385,"end":555.583,"text":"所以我真的認為你們不需要在那邊改變名詞造成家長的混淆你其實根本就沒有增加嘛你就是換了一個名詞然後把它寫說我一定不是這樣子的總天數沒增加什麼不是這樣子第一個是說在大部分其實請預留因為兩年沒有津貼所以津貼有六個月"},{"start":559.767,"end":566.811,"text":"我最後一個是你的這個我們的這個產價產價的部分事實上這個國際勞工組織你現在的8週規定是100年前的標準那國際勞工組織呢在2020年的時候呢它事實上也已經就是增加到了這一個14週了那你現在的修法你硬是自己發明了一個12週為什麼為什麼不直接跟國際接軌"},{"start":588.052,"end":610.761,"text":"跟委員說明,因為其實我們也請教一些專業者,其實大家是提醒說可能不是只單漢展,因為我們是可以讓育嬰留庭來銜接的。我們有育嬰留庭制度是可以直接銜接的,所以我們在考慮以後,我們把8週確實覺得過短,所以我們把它延長到12週,可是後面其實還是可以直接再銜接育嬰留庭的制度的。"},{"start":611.543,"end":639.469,"text":"這個我建議就直接跟國際接軌了至少也是14週代表說我們在這個部分因為國際現在講的14週它是只單看產價的部分可是我們實際上面其實是可以在銜接雲流停的部分的好 這個我希望這一次我們整體的調整希望就是真的是一個大翻轉那這個部長你應該回去也調整一下自己的想法你現在擔任勞動部部長不是一直看資方的態度如何"},{"start":640.389,"end":654.147,"text":"我們並不是看資方的態度我們在要讓勞工的權力進展的同時可是我們確實是需要顧到其實很多事業單位他的運作就像剛剛前面很多委員都還在問我那如果他缺人怎麼辦"},{"start":655.66,"end":670.897,"text":"然後其實很多委員這一個修法律會有不同顧及的面向我們會努力讓勞工的權益可以進步可是確實都是會故意到事業單位他在運作上面的5月27號的記者會主題是"},{"start":672.819,"end":689.246,"text":"友善育兒育兒大禮拜回到育兒的需求我希望這部分我們應該是要入法就讓全國的家長你有小孩的家長每天減少一個小時的工時這件事情是你的權利而不是要看老闆的臉色好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:46:51.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:46:51.632000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:46:51.632000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:46:52.632000+08:00","text":"有請洪部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:46:51.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:46:51.652000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:46:51.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:46:51.692000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:46:51.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:46:52.833000+08:00","text":"今天我們討論性工法的修法，第一個，我要請教你，5月28號賴總統開記者會。27號。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:46:53.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:47.121000+08:00","text":"5月27號他開記者會，他也提到減少工時的部分，當時你在記者會上面，我不曉得是你口誤還是怎麼樣，你說這次修法要用合意制，要雇主同意才可以減少工時，你的意思是我們不入法，需要勞資合意，你才可以去請1小時，是這樣子嗎？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:47.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:52.964000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，第一個，我們的修法草案的確沒有包括性工法第十九條。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:54.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:47:54.930000+08:00","text":"你的版本沒有？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:47:55.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:20.571000+08:00","text":"沒有，我要說明為什麼，第一個事情，因為其實目前在縮減工時的部分，我們即便是看……尤其現在臺灣目前產業的經驗裡面，不同產業的工作安排其實差異很大，如果你仔細看性工法第十九條，它其實是一個強制性的條文，也就是當勞工申請，雇主就不得拒絕。是啊！","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:21.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:28.623000+08:00","text":"我們其實也跟很多產業談過，他們都很希望這部分先用獎勵的方式，即便是臺北市的做法……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:28.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:33.204000+08:00","text":"所以這只是一個獎勵方案，不是一個法律案嘛！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:34.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:40.826000+08:00","text":"我們要提一個獎勵方案，包括裡面要有配套，這個配套就是要讓雇主同意的門檻可以降低。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:40.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:48:46.087000+08:00","text":"這就是我要先確立的，因為如果是這樣，會跟一般民眾的認知落差很大。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:48:46.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:49:05.619000+08:00","text":"當時5月27號記者會出來之後，事實上有一些育兒的家庭，家長都好開心，因為他覺得這變成是我們每一個人的權利，我可以跟雇主要求每天減少1個小時，而且是減時、不減薪，結果剛剛部長的說法是，這是需要經過勞資合意的。是。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:49:09.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:49:14.645000+08:00","text":"這樣真的就差很大，因為原來的性工法第十九條，其實是30個人以上的企業，育有未滿3歲小孩的勞工每天可以減少1個小時工時，這是他的權利喔！","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:49:14.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:49:37.181000+08:00","text":"是，這個條文還是在的，所以我們這次的獎勵計畫一樣是把小孩的歲數拉到12歲，也沒有30個人以上企業的限制。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:49:37.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:49:41.966000+08:00","text":"我知道，但是它有個部份，只要企業主不同意，他也不申請……","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:49:41.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:49:44.848000+08:00","text":"企業如果覺得實行這事情有困難的話，確實是沒有辦法……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:49:44.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:49:47.791000+08:00","text":"就可以不用做。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:49:47.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:49:50.854000+08:00","text":"其實在我們看到其他國家也是有這樣的設計的。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:49:51.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:05.931000+08:00","text":"部長，我今天就要特別提醒你，事實上在114年僱用管理就業評等的調查報告裡面，就發現現行性工法第三十條，為什麼很多員工這個部分不去申請？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:06.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:25.896000+08:00","text":"因為過半數的企業就不同意，也就是說，企業主握有很大的權力，他認為你不可以申請，其實員工也知道老闆的意思，他就不申請，在這樣的情況底下，我認為你會讓這一次的美意大打折扣。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:26.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:28.458000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，這是為什麼我們這一次……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:28.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:29.719000+08:00","text":"因為都在資方手上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:30.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:40.068000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，我們還是要想辦法讓雇主同意的門檻降低，這是為什麼我們要設計那個小時全額的薪資補貼。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:40.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:41.389000+08:00","text":"既然你都做到這麼到位了……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:41.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:41.629000+08:00","text":"臺北市是八成。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:41.629000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:50:42.629000+08:00","text":"那我們就入法啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:50:41.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:51:23.749000+08:00","text":"我們是全額的薪資補貼，第二個，我們還設計可以給予職代津貼的加給，就是希望把這個門檻降低，但我還是要跟委員說明，如果這一條變成是法規強制的話，我們目前問了很多企業，有一些類型的工作比較容易做到縮減工時的事情，但有一些類型的工作，他們要做到這件事情，尤其是他的排班制度的部分，會造成他們企業運作很大的困擾跟混亂，我們是考慮到這一點以後，才認為我們在這個階段，先用獎勵的方式來降低企業同意的門檻。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:51:23.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:51:47.916000+08:00","text":"部長，我剛剛前面的發言已經講到，我們現在少子化坦白講已經是國安危機了，我們現在幾乎是要拜託年輕人生小孩，你去拜託他，如果沒有讓他覺得這個環境對他的友善程度，相較於過去有很大幅度的改變跟進步的話，這個拜託是無效的，因為年輕人也會看。","quality":0.991},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:51:48.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:52:25.828000+08:00","text":"基本上你剛剛都已經講了，你們的配套還不是八成補助，都已經是全部補助了，政府用這麼大的力氣，結果你就差一個門檻，你說我不要訂法律，我不要讓員工說申請就可以申請，我認為你們真的要回去好好想想，至少我的主張，我認為應該就是搭配法令，我們就是一步到位，政府的配套做足了，所以我有底氣要求企業配合，因為坦白講一天1個小時，你說會影響企業多大的幅度，我真的都不相信。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:52:26.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:52:29.410000+08:00","text":"委員，真的在不同的工作，包括生產線工作上面，其實之間的差異是不同的。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:52:29.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:52:39.057000+08:00","text":"這就是之前你們的思維，你們之前在考量任何政策的時候，你們都會說因為這樣、這樣，所以都不可以。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:52:39.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:53:09.993000+08:00","text":"你看今天提出法案的委員是很進步的，委員們都走在前面，你們行政院是跟在後面，這件事情我認為你們可以回去再思考，但是這件事情我真的覺得已經到了要完全改變的時候，我們就是給有小孩的家庭特別，這是他的權利，所有的職場就是允許有小孩的家庭，我讓你可以每天減少1個工時，你可以減輕你的負擔，我真的覺得到了你的腦袋瓜整個都要好好去轉變的時候了。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:53:10.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:53:22.416000+08:00","text":"委員，就像剛才前面很多其他委員的質詢，大家也會考慮到事業體運作的可行性，這些職場的制度一直以來……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:53:22.416000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:53:24.557000+08:00","text":"沒有什麼不可行。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:53:24.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:53:28.738000+08:00","text":"職場制度的進步，或者是我們這一次包括提出方案的進展……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:53:28.738000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:53:29.738000+08:00","text":"部長，我覺得你的思維也要開始……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:53:29.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:53:34.479000+08:00","text":"都是同時需要考慮到企業運作上面的可行性。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:53:34.479000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:53:37.160000+08:00","text":"你的思維也該改變了。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:53:37.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:53:52.753000+08:00","text":"我們願意盡量降低企業同意的門檻，在各種可行的配套上面，可是我的確認為現在就要用修法的方式給予強制性……我舉個例子，日本跟韓國，他們其實有相對應的政策，但一樣是雇主可以拒絕的。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:53:54.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:53:57.506000+08:00","text":"我們不能比日韓更進步嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:53:57.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:53:59.366000+08:00","text":"我們一定要落後在他們後面嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:53:59.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:01.787000+08:00","text":"委員，這不是進不進步的問題，但是一樣，雇主在營運狀態上面，他是可以……","quality":0.448},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:02.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:05.908000+08:00","text":"部長，我要很多問題要問你，你們自己回去思考，沒有問題，這是你們的權利，但是我認為我們真的要來大翻轉了。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:05.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:25.080000+08:00","text":"下一個，我要問你，你在記者會上面有提到育兒假的部分，育兒假這60天是額外增加的，還是其實就是原來的育嬰假？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:27.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:31.382000+08:00","text":"我們是在育嬰留停裡面的……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:31.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:33.043000+08:00","text":"你到底有沒有額外再加60天？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:34.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:47.270000+08:00","text":"我這有兩個圖表讓你選，你記者會上講的育兒假是原來的育嬰假2年再外加60天，還是其實天數一天都沒有改變，就是原來的2年育嬰假……","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:47.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:50.632000+08:00","text":"我們是2年有60天可以單日請，依彈性的需求……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:50.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:51.032000+08:00","text":"是哪一個圖，右邊還左邊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:56.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:57.057000+08:00","text":"我們是併入的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:58.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:07.163000+08:00","text":"所以總天數一天都沒有增加，只是名詞改了，你把育嬰假改成育兒假，但很多家長都以為再多60天。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:08.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:18.468000+08:00","text":"委員，以前是不能夠單日請的，從今年開始，從去年提出來的方案上才可以單日請，現在我們是把……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:18.468000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:19.468000+08:00","text":"對，但總天數不變。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:18.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:19.029000+08:00","text":"現在的單日是30天。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:23.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:26.172000+08:00","text":"對，就總天數不變，如果有個家長……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:26.172000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:27.172000+08:00","text":"可是單日請跟留停的狀況就是不一樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:26.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:29.874000+08:00","text":"所以有一個人，如果他2年的育嬰假已經請滿了，結果他的小孩3到6歲的時候，你說放寬6歲以下還有育兒假，請問他還有育兒假可以請嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:29.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:30.595000+08:00","text":"在目前的法規裡面是沒有的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:45.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:54.815000+08:00","text":"對，所以我真的認為你們不需要改變名詞，造成家長的混淆，你其實根本就沒有增加，你就是換了一個名詞，把它寫說好像增加多少。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:55.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:56.176000+08:00","text":"委員，並不是這樣子的。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:56.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:58.739000+08:00","text":"總天數沒增加，為什麼不是這樣子？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:58.739000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:59.739000+08:00","text":"你剛不是已經講了嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:59.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:56:02.563000+08:00","text":"第一個，大部分其實請育嬰留停，因為2年並沒有津貼，有6個月……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:56:06.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:56:13.811000+08:00","text":"因為召委限制今天的發言時間，我最後一個是產假的部分，事實上國際勞工組織……你現在的8週規定是100年前的標準，國際勞工組織在2020年的時候，事實上已經增加到了14週了，你現在的修法硬是自己發明了12週，為什麼不直接跟國際接軌？","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:56:35.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:56:57.581000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，其實我們也請教一些專業學者，他是提醒說可能不是只單看展延，我們是可以讓育嬰留停直接銜接的，所以我們在考慮以後，8週我們確實覺得過短，所以我們把它延長到12週，可是後面其實還是可以直接再銜接育嬰留停的制度。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:56:58.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:04.864000+08:00","text":"這個我建議就直接跟國際接軌，至少14週，代表我們在這部分，我們對於婦女的照顧……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:05.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:11.986000+08:00","text":"因為國際現在講的14週，如果只單看產假的部分，可是我們實際上其實是可以再銜接育嬰留停的部分。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:12.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:26.449000+08:00","text":"好，我希望這一次我們整體的調整真的是個大翻轉，部長回去應該調整一下自己的想法，你現在擔任勞動部部長，不是一直看資方的態度如何，回過頭，千萬勞工……","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:27.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:56.736000+08:00","text":"委員，我們並不是看資方的態度，我們讓勞工的權利進展的同時，可是我們確實需要顧到很多事業單位的運作，就像剛剛前面很多委員都在問我，如果他缺人怎麼辦，其實很多委員修法會有不同顧及的面向，我們會努力讓勞工的權益可以進步，可是確實都會顧慮到事業單位在運作上面的可行性。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:57.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:04.021000+08:00","text":"你別忘了，5月27號的記者會主題是友善育兒、育兒大禮，所以回到育兒的需求……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:04.021000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:05.021000+08:00","text":"當然，所以我們要在這個部分往前走。","quality":0.067},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:04.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:16.246000+08:00","text":"希望這部分我們應該要入法，讓全國有小孩的家長，每天減少1個小時工時這件事情是你的權利，而不是要看老闆的臉色，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:16.746000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:19.317429+08:00","text":"謝謝王育敏委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:19.617429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:22.188857+08:00","text":"接下來我們休息10分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:22.488857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:23.631714+08:00","text":"休息（10時58分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:23.931714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:25.646000+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時8分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:25.946000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:27.660286+08:00","text":"現在繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:27.960286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:51.103143+08:00","text":"跟各位委員說明，因為早上有些委員可能不在，由於今天下午本委員會另安排了勞動部預算審查的議程，為避免影響下午議程的進行，所以請各位委員發言時，請務必遵守發言時間，請大家體諒配合。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:51.403143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:53.974571+08:0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