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謝謝主席我們請內政部劉部長警政署張署長還有我們想請法務部常次馮次長委員早部長早"},{"start":14.827,"end":33.452,"text":"副長 剛剛幾位委員也都跟您質詢了那我想請您在台上 你在對社會現在說的 獨駕越抓越多這句話剛剛委員也有跟您說 讓部長有點時間你對這句話 社會娛樂獨駕越抓越多 你怎麼看這句話"},{"start":34.372,"end":59.869,"text":"報告委員 我想委員長久在關心有關警察在取締獨駕的部分都非常清楚因為我們現在的黑數在過去幾年的時候呢 黑數是存在的那現在我們經過這個拓越快篩也承蒙這個委員通過這個拓越快篩的部分我們現在已經明年度要再增購四萬五千劑那表示說馬上時間內就知道說如果有獨駕的話呢 就馬上現行"},{"start":61.63,"end":78.408,"text":"那這個對於未來取締獨駕不管後續的這個交通道路處罰條例或者是刑法的話是有用的所以我還是一樣獨駕零容忍不管是哪一個政黨哪一個機關或者是公司的機關大家都是零容忍我們會全力往這個地方來邁進"},{"start":79.389,"end":103.854,"text":"沒錯 其實與其說獨駕越抓越多不能說我們真正的目的就是獨駕零容忍所以現在正是在一個陣痛期我們幸好 幸好從去年年底開始我們有了這樣唾液的快篩讓我們更能夠在源頭在發生危險之前 發生傷害之前就把這個危險的因子找出來 然後排除這是我們的目的"},{"start":106.215,"end":113.757,"text":"所以大家看到我們現在這個數字確實是很令人擔心、驚訝甚至是這樣說因為它確實是從有拖曳快篩之後我們可以看得出來從113年的2600件一下子跳到114年114年11月20才開始有拖曳快篩馬上數字就增長到了8659件這已經是三倍的數字了"},{"start":132.441,"end":153.734,"text":"那更不要說今年用前四個月的統計的話就已經到了4725件所以數字是非常的多那我們如果看這個快篩試劑來講的話去年的採購量是一萬兩千多件嘛一萬兩千多件好 一萬兩千多件對照的是刑事的刑法的移送案件是八千件"},{"start":154.514,"end":171.848,"text":"好 那部長 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拒策我可以直接現行犯嘛一方面是給員警權利但是反過來他也是限制了員警在什麼樣的狀況下才可以來做這樣的測試就是要有不安全駕駛這是對人民我們我們台灣民主自由社會人權的保障沒有錯嘛對不對這是一個雙方平衡的狀況署長同意這個狀況嘛對不對同意同意所以"},{"start":296.378,"end":300.624,"text":"並不是所有路上的人我一律都攔下來然後要求你做唾液快篩所以四萬五千劑按照你們現在的模型來講的話原則上在第一階段是夠的可以這樣說嗎是的"},{"start":313.061,"end":331.558,"text":"所以我是希望署長您再對這個四萬五千劑因為民眾現在很關心嘛民眾現在說喔原來你有這個新的工具了可以防範無為啊很好那我支持你做那但是你的數量是多少會不會是像當年的快篩試劑每個人都要發一支其實也不能是這樣嘛所以我們必須取得兩者的平衡署長"},{"start":333.52,"end":349.299,"text":"這個部分的話我是希望要給員警足夠的保護也給社會足夠的保護這是我們的要求啦所以425到底夠和不夠夠還是不夠我希望能夠有現在您分配的數量個性是比一份送到辦公室來我們繼續追蹤"},{"start":351.542,"end":367.418,"text":"但是第二個為什麼我請法務部也同時上來呢其實應該是說我們獨駕越抓越多希望這句話只是一個過程只是這一年兩年之間的一個過程甚至是越快結束越好我們希望看到的是抓到的數字是開始往下降的為什麼因為這表示我們的嚇阻有用嘛"},{"start":374.405,"end":387.22,"text":"剛剛警政署這邊我們的號組有用大家發現說這件事情原來是會被抓的是危險的所以不可以吸食這是第一件事情第二件事情是凡有危險的都已經被我抓到了而且不會放出來嘛所以我們現在"},{"start":389.002,"end":414.153,"text":"第二步其實是問法務部法務部您在報告裡面其實有寫說你們已經開始在提出修法嘛對不對你們已經開始提出5月29日召開了學者專家諮詢會議將盡速延續修正草案呈報行政院審查對不對所有相關獨家的配套的相關法律要修正案的都一併在這個專家諮詢會議已經呈送行政院了嗎"},{"start":414.873,"end":421.98,"text":"跟委員報告 就我們這個部分在跟司法院討論以後我們會競速的 通報到行政院去那針對委員剛剛提到的這個刑度的提升包括說像那個就是將來假設門檻的提高這是全部都配套因為他的目標就是希望危險的被抓進去以後就不要"},{"start":433.931,"end":455.623,"text":"不要出來啦 就跟我們的社會是有隔絕的狀況嘛對 我們會在醫科罰金上的從嚴以及我們的假釋的門檻上去提高讓他們這些 就是說獨家這些就是說進去以後會比較你的項目 你要調整的項目剛剛已經跟我們討論 跟我們說明過了但我現在要求你具體的在備詢台上面告訴我們 承諾我們你這個競訴 競訴 提出修正草案的競訴是什麼時候"},{"start":460.386,"end":484.328,"text":"跟我們報告我們回去應該會在不要再回去研究你在台上給我們具體的承諾你要講三個月多少我們都可以但是你在這裡明確的承諾我們會在這個月內去報行政院這邊這個月內會報行政院也就是六月之前今天是六月三號好那我想希望這個是明確的列入紀錄我們一起來追蹤好謝謝法務部法務部可以請回但部長"},{"start":485.529,"end":505.659,"text":"呃 劉部長齁我在這裡的話也一樣齁剛剛謝謝你我們一起讓獨駕零人員繼續我們來這個 呃把獨駕從社會根除但是我也要替員警請命啊剛剛的這些其實我們都是在幫員警又加重了一項勤務所以這個專案第一它會執行到什麼時候擴大的專案"},{"start":506.659,"end":523.971,"text":"擴大零檢獨檢的這個專案報告委員我想這是一個滾動式的調整像報告委員有關心就是除了中央的四萬五千劑以外那地方上如果有需要我們的警政署會協助那我想這樣子對於取締這個獨架呢可以給我們遠景最多的這個唾液快篩劑"},{"start":524.912,"end":530.253,"text":"是 那我想委員大概也多次關心就是說在第一線取締這個獨駕的遠景的安全也跟委員報告我們現在那個遠景攔檢率高達百分之九十八就是獨駕的攔檢率但是因為獨駕者他自己本身就是心神好失或是心神喪失的狀態之下對於我們的交通遠景在第一線攔檢的安全的部分我們已經多次要求我們的遠景要注重自己的安全那如果有拒檢"},{"start":552.998,"end":562.725,"text":"甚至逃逸的話署長也三令五申甚至可以用我們警戒的使用條例來處理讓他不要有拒檢這個現象我想這樣對於我們取締獨駕零容忍的部分獨駕已經是一個非常危險的情境了我們要求我們支持警政署給予第一線的員警足夠的權力"},{"start":577.835,"end":601.869,"text":"來做這樣子的保護市民的動作這是我們第一個對警察的支持那同時我兩項簡單說明第一個我們新北市的警民比確實仍然是熱度最低的既然要執行這麼多繁重的勤務的話我們希望我們希望未來再分配新的員額的時候其實可以把新北市的人口數以及警民比例"},{"start":602.749,"end":622.974,"text":"納入考慮 納入參考在我們新北市這裡我們應該要能夠有足夠的遠景才能執行這麼繁重的任務這是第一個第二個的話現在的天氣熱成這樣即便是到夜間其實也都是還是高溫再加上裝備其實對遠景的負擔是非常辛苦的所以我想這些防暑"},{"start":624.254,"end":645.377,"text":"防熱的這些設備包括現在仿真可以看到的降溫精啊等等這些配備是不是警政署可以明白的在這裡表示它就是一個可以被被所有員警使用的狀況我想這個需要有全國一致的說法一般的員警才敢使用就這兩件事情部長可不可以做一個承諾"},{"start":646.298,"end":646.458,"text":"長居人口440萬"},{"start":665.81,"end":688.381,"text":"是 然後再來就是有關極端氣溫因為雖然我們在現在是有防暑的熱傷害可是我們有警員在像雪山 玉山這也會有冷的傷害那極端的氣候的狀況之下對於我們警勤同仁在第一現場裡面執勤所需要的這個保護我們會在行政的勤務上面或是必須要的保護上面再來做精進的研討也會跟各地方警察機關做好研討之後我認為警察的服從信任"},{"start":693.784,"end":721.444,"text":"所以我要求這個要有直接從警政署這邊有一個全國一致這樣的說明那我希望能夠競訴出來因為高溫季節已經到了我們會來追蹤這樣的指引這個月出來可以嗎我們來參考勞動部的這個高溫的這個熱傷害的指引我想這個月一定要出來啦這個熱季就是已經到了啦應該是可以啦這個今天才六月三號沒問題啦 這個月出來啦對 這個月一定要完成啦等一下可以通令啦因為是夏天了啦 所以這個完成是 謝謝署長 謝謝部長 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:04:06.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:04:14.022000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請內政部劉部長、警政署張署長及法務部馮次長。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-06-03T10:04:14.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:04:14.062000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:04:14.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:04:14.443000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:04:21.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:04:37.452000+08:00","text":"部長，剛剛幾位委員也都跟你質詢了，我想請你在臺上，你對社會現在說的「毒駕越抓越多」這句話，剛剛委員也有跟你說，讓部長有點時間，對這句話、社會輿論「毒駕越抓越多」，你怎麼看這句話？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-06-03T10:04:38.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:05:03.849000+08:00","text":"報告委員，委員長久在關心有關警察取締毒駕的部分，都非常清楚，在過去幾年黑數是存在的，現在我們經過唾液快篩，也承蒙委員通過唾液快篩的部分，我們明年度要再增購4萬5,000劑，這表示如果有毒駕的話，在時間內就馬上現形。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-06-03T10:05:06.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:05:22.408000+08:00","text":"對於未來取締毒駕，不管後續的交通道路處罰條例或者是刑法的話是有用的，所以我們還是一樣毒駕零容忍，不管是哪一個政黨、哪一個機關或者是公私機關，大家都是零容忍，我們會全力往這個地方來邁進。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:05:23.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:05:47.834000+08:00","text":"沒錯，其實與其說毒駕越抓越多，不如說我們真正的目的就是毒駕零容忍，所以現在正是在一個陣痛期，幸好從去年年底開始有了唾液快篩，讓我們更能夠在源頭、在發生危險之前、發生傷害之前，就把這個危險因子找出來並排除，這是我們的目的。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:05:50.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:06:24.106000+08:00","text":"所以大家看到現在這個數字確實是很令人擔心、驚訝、驚恐，甚至是這樣說，因為確實是從有唾液快篩之後，我們可以看得出來，從113年的2,600件一下子跳到114年，114年11月20日才開始有唾液快篩，數字馬上就增長到8,659件，這已經是三倍的數字，更不要說今年前四個月的統計就已經到4,725件，所以數字是非常的多。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:06:24.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:06:47.041000+08:00","text":"我們如果以快篩試劑來講的話，去年的採購量是一萬兩千多件，對照刑事的移送案件是8,000件，部長，我想請問的第一個問題是，今年採購4萬5,000劑唾液試劑，這個量能是夠的嗎？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:06:47.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:06:48.622000+08:00","text":"署長，還是你要回答，我也可以接受。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-06-03T10:06:48.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:06:49.703000+08:00","text":"署長來回應好了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:06:50.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:06:52.806000+08:00","text":"報告委員，4萬5,000劑是目前的量，但是……","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:06:54.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:06:54.587000+08:00","text":"有些人說1萬2,000劑就抓到了8,000件，那4萬5,000劑夠不夠？","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:06:54.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:06:55.828000+08:00","text":"各縣市警察局大概都會來做控管，這個可以臨時增購的。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:05.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:08.819000+08:00","text":"各縣市分配下去的比例是如何？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:09.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:14.504000+08:00","text":"各縣市的預算會去做這樣的採購，不會不夠。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:16.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:17.567000+08:00","text":"每個縣市的比例呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:17.567000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:18.567000+08:00","text":"比例會不一樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:18.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:20.129000+08:00","text":"按照人口數嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:20.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:29.318000+08:00","text":"對，因為各縣市查獲的特性和量能都不太相同，包括直轄市、各縣市的狀況不同。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:29.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:31.600000+08:00","text":"所以警政署會督導它，看它夠不夠嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:31.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:33.943000+08:00","text":"我們刑事局會督導，會統一來做了解，現存的有多少都會統一控管。","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:34.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:35.645000+08:00","text":"所以你手上已經有資料了嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:35.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:35.665000+08:00","text":"有資料。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:36.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:07:55.626000+08:00","text":"第一，我們辦公室想要一份這樣的資料，關於各縣市的狀況，我們最想了解的是，現在採購4萬5,000劑，我們同意，但是4萬5,000劑夠還是不夠，因為很多人說1萬2,000劑就抓到8,000件，那4萬5,000劑夠不夠？","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:07:55.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:08:12.538000+08:00","text":"其實我有另外一個思考方向給署長這邊，我認為是這樣，你們在今年5月13日還修正了「取締疑似施用毒品後駕車作業程序」，對不對？對。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:08:12.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:08:38.384000+08:00","text":"其實你們是有明定員警發現駕駛有不能安全駕駛情況，經唾液篩檢陽性或拒測，均得依現行犯逮捕，所以一方面是給員警這樣的權力，只要看到有不安全駕駛的狀況，他就可以攔阻，然後也可以要求要唾液快篩測試，陽性或拒測可以直接依現行犯逮捕。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:08:38.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:08:53.374000+08:00","text":"一方面是給員警權力，但是反過來，它也是限制了員警在什麼樣的狀況下才可以做這樣的測試，就是要有不安全駕駛，我們臺灣是民主自由社會，這是對人權的保障，沒有錯，對不對？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:08:53.374000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:08:54.374000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:08:53.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:08:54.594000+08:00","text":"這是一個雙方平衡的狀況，署長，同意這個狀況嗎？同意。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:08:54.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:09:03.022000+08:00","text":"所以並不是所有路上的人，都一律攔檢下來要求唾液快篩。不會。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:09:03.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:09:04.604000+08:00","text":"所以按照你們現在的模型來講，原則上4萬5,000劑在第一階段是夠的，可以這樣說嗎？是的。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:09:17.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:09:25.569000+08:00","text":"所以我希望署長針對這4萬5,000劑，因為民眾現在很關心，民眾現在認為原來你有這個新的工具，可以防患於未然。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:09:26.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:09:32.576000+08:00","text":"很好，我支持你做，但是你的數量是多少，會不會像當年的快篩試劑，每個人都要發一支？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:09:32.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:09:35.518000+08:00","text":"其實也不能是這樣，所以我們必須取得兩者的平衡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:09:35.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:09:53.299000+08:00","text":"署長，這個部分我希望要給員警足夠的保護，也給社會足夠的保護，這是我們的要求，所以4萬5,000劑到底夠還是不夠，我希望能夠有一份現在分配的數量、各縣市比送到辦公室來，我們繼續追蹤。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:09:53.299000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:09:55.882000+08:00","text":"沒問題，我們來提供。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:09:55.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:09:58.405000+08:00","text":"第二個，為什麼我請法務部也同時上來呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:09:58.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:10:11.058000+08:00","text":"其實應該是我們希望「毒駕越抓越多」這句話只是一個過程，只是這一年、兩年之間的過程，甚至是越快結束越好，我們希望看到的是，抓到的數字開始往下降，為什麼？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:10:11.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:10:11.398000+08:00","text":"因為這表示嚇阻有用嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:10:18.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:10:31.060000+08:00","text":"警政署的嚇阻有用，大家發現到做這件事情原來是會被抓的、是危險的，所以不可以吸食，這是第一件事情；第二件事情是凡有危險的，都已經被抓到了，而且不會放出來。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:10:31.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:10:49.469000+08:00","text":"所以現在要問的第二步，其實是問法務部，在法務部的報告裡面有寫你們已經開始提出修法，在5月29日召開學者專家諮詢會議，將儘速擬具修正草案，陳報行政院審查。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:10:50.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:10:58.153000+08:00","text":"毒駕的所有相關配套、相關法律的修正案，都一併在這個專家諮詢會議討論，並且已經陳送行政院了嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:10:58.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:11:02.657000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個部分在跟司法院討論以後，會儘速陳報到行政院。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:11:02.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:11:04.518000+08:00","text":"針對委員剛剛提到的刑度提升，包括將來假釋門檻的提高，像這類的……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:11:04.518000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:11:05.518000+08:00","text":"就是全部都配套？","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:11:04.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:11:04.859000+08:00","text":"全部都配套。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:11:04.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:11:20.432000+08:00","text":"因為目標就是希望危險的人被抓進去，以後就不要出來了，跟社會隔絕。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:11:21.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:11:30.198000+08:00","text":"我們會在易科罰金上從嚴以及提高假釋門檻，讓他們這些毒駕者進去以後會比較難出來。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:11:31.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:11:39.603000+08:00","text":"你要調整的項目剛剛已經跟我們說明過了，但我現在要求你在備詢臺上面具體告訴我們、承諾我們，儘速提出修正草案的「儘速」，是什麼時候？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:11:44.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:11:46.608000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們回去應該會……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:11:47.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:11:54.175000+08:00","text":"不要再回去研究，你在臺上給我們具體的承諾，你要講3個月或多久都可以，但是你在這裡明確的承諾。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:11:54.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:11:56.177000+08:00","text":"我們會在這個月內陳報行政院。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:11:56.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:12:04.8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nd":"2026-06-03T10:16:02.302000+08:00","text":"對，這個月一定要完成，要可以通令。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:16:02.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:16:04.363000+08:00","text":"因為是夏天了，所以這個月完成。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"蘇委員巧慧","start":"2026-06-03T10:16:04.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:16:05.444000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝署長，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席：本席先行宣告","start":"2026-06-03T10:16:05.944000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:16:09.658286+08:00","text":"待黃捷委員質詢完後，休息10分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席：本席先行宣告","start":"2026-06-03T10:16:09.958286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:16:13.101143+08:00","text":"接下來請張宏陸委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}