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下課要趕著去玩嘛一定都超過30"},{"start":548.462,"end":565.193,"text":"那你這樣的速限之下,我真的覺得檢討一下啦,啊多久時間可以檢討?我跟委員報告一下,這個速限它的設置其實是最後要回歸到,如果是像省道啊我知道啦,這個還有縣市政府什麼的啦,我只問你什麼,要多久檢討?我想這樣啦,我們可以再請相關的單位來盡速的一個檢討啦"},{"start":574.2,"end":584.297,"text":"一個月內我們還請各相關單位來做檢討一個月內請他們來嘛我覺得不對啦如果你覺得很重視我跟你講三天就可以發文了就可以請他們來"},{"start":586.172,"end":613.948,"text":"對不對 如果你覺得這個問題很重視啊也不用你親自去發文啊三天就可以發文啊 對不對然後一個月就可以出部啊半年就可以把台灣的問題解決了啊我在行政機關也十幾年啊這個事就要做跟不做而已啊發文還要一個禮拜我聽到我都覺得不是我要生氣欸啊我今天立法委員在這邊質詢你你要跟我講發文要一個禮拜"},{"start":616.148,"end":633.219,"text":"發文我跟你講回去交代下午就可以發文了啦是不是我們立即來處理我跟你講啦齁全台灣太多啦我也不敢讓你們齁做到不可能做到的事啦我覺得啦半年"},{"start":634.434,"end":645.604,"text":"半年的時間把台灣這些不符合人情 不符合比例的速限把它檢討一下也不是要你調高很多"},{"start":647.133,"end":676.244,"text":"是調高到合理喔這樣可不可以可以可以嗎我們來請各個道路主管機關來做相關的檢討好 那個署長最後他們如果有這個合理的調整其實他們也要問你們第一線交通隊的意見是對不對對他也要問你們因為你們可能比他們更清楚對我們要用一個合理的你覺得我剛說的30公里合不合理"},{"start":677.469,"end":702.05,"text":"有些路亂真的是很不合理啦對嘛很不合理嘛而且造成第一線警察執行的困擾沒有錯啊我已經這麼慢了你要給我開單你們是不是也遇過這一種有啊太多了對嘛太多了嘛所以拜託署長你跟你們辛苦一點請我們的交通隊然後提供數據給他們合理的速限是多少是"},{"start":702.33,"end":730.951,"text":"直線彎道什麼的我們好好檢討把半年這樣子把它整理起來我相信這樣子也可以減少我們第一線的遠景很多的紛爭而且他們的執法也不用每天在那邊跟人家吵架啊你吵個半個小時你可以多做很多事情了對不對天氣這麼熱還要吵個半個小時很划不來我也覺得一個國家不應該這樣所以署長你們這邊可不可以配合可以全力配合"},{"start":731.431,"end":742.722,"text":"好 全力配合 那我們就半個小時 劉部長可以吧半年嘛 部長 部長 可以嗎可以 可以 沒問題好 半年 好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:16:32.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:16:43.917000+08:00","text":"我請內政部部長，還有交通部次長、法務部次長。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T10:16:43.917000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:16:48.655500+08:00","text":"請各位官員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-06-03T10:16:48.655500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:16:53.394000+08:00","text":"張委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:16:53.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:16:55.195000+08:00","text":"部長，還有次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:16:55.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:17:24.847000+08:00","text":"剛剛很多委員都在請教毒駕的問題，現在當然有唾液快篩什麼的，不過我也要替第一線的警察同仁說一句話，其實看到很多報章報導，毒駕者被抓到之後，有很多是無保請回，是不是有這種情況？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:17:25.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:17:27.348000+08:00","text":"署長，你有沒有了解？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-06-03T10:17:27.348000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:17:29.080000+08:00","text":"請法務部。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:17:29.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:17:38.066000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們法務部的態度，針對毒駕這部分是零容忍，我們要求所有的檢察官對這件事情從嚴，事實上……","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:17:39.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:17:44.571000+08:00","text":"不是，你就回答我有沒有這個情況，我又沒有說是法務部的問題，那是法院無保請回。","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:17:46.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:17:46.972000+08:00","text":"法院的部分，確實會有這樣的狀況。什麼？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:17:47.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:17:47.293000+08:00","text":"有這樣的狀況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:17:47.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:17:53.619000+08:00","text":"到底有還是沒有？有。什麼？有。什麼？有啊。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:17:54.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:17:55.540000+08:00","text":"有，你大聲一點嘛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:17:57.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:02.142000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，不好意思，我們的部分就是現在檢察官……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:02.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:04.143000+08:00","text":"你就回答我有或沒有就好。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:04.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:06.403000+08:00","text":"現在目前的情況是有。有嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:07.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:23.892000+08:00","text":"所以這整個配套，我覺得還必須要完善一點，現在大家關心毒駕問題，確實在執行面上還是有很多細節要注意。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:26.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:33.561000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下署長，在第一線執勤，毒駕的人如果拒絕你，你能怎麼樣？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:34.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:38.148000+08:00","text":"毒駕者如果拒絕，但我們觀測他有毒駕，我們還是會逮捕啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:40.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:43.114000+08:00","text":"你逮捕，但是他拒絕你的話？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:43.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:45.877000+08:00","text":"拒絕逮捕還是會移送地檢署來做處理。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:46.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:54.386000+08:00","text":"但你要知道現在這一類的毒品，大概3個小時之後……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:54.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:56.467000+08:00","text":"大概2個小時就會代謝。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:56.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:18:57.707000+08:00","text":"對啊，就驗不出來了！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:18:59.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:19:03.749000+08:00","text":"他就拖過這個時間啊，你們第一線執勤有沒有遇到這個困難？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:19:03.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:19:04.569000+08:00","text":"當然會有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:19:05.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:19:05.930000+08:00","text":"這樣你逮捕他會怎麼樣？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:19:06.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:19:06.750000+08:00","text":"他就拒測、拒檢啊！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:19:06.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:19:08.011000+08:00","text":"兩、三個小時之後，你能奈他何？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:19:08.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:19:21.188000+08:00","text":"所以拒測、拒檢，我們把他移送地檢署，地檢署會聲押，這是一個很好的聲押要件。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:19:21.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:19:23.474000+08:00","text":"現在有多少案子是這樣的？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:19:25.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:19:33.038000+08:00","text":"委員，這部分的數據資料我可能要再統計一下，但是拒測反而是聲押的一個很好的要件。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:19:33.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:19:46.828000+08:00","text":"我跟你講你們要這樣子做，但我認為目前的比例不高，依我手頭上的數字是比例不高，但這也不能怪罪於你們，第一線也是很辛苦。是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:19:46.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:01.085000+08:00","text":"我點出這幾個問題，意思是你們這幾個部會對於這個問題不能各自為政，你們要去開會、要去處理，對不對？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:01.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:08.252000+08:00","text":"比如說如果確定是毒駕或什麼的，那要不要比照酒駕？","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:08.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:09.293000+08:00","text":"要不要扣車？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:09.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:09.653000+08:00","text":"要不要什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:11.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:12.265000+08:00","text":"現在有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:12.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:15.308000+08:00","text":"現在已經有在整合，在做處理了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:15.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:36.769000+08:00","text":"各部會中包括內政部、法務部、交通部、衛福部，不管是人或車，就從源頭處理，我想明天院會會正式宣布結果，政策方面院裡面會來做處理。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:37.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:44.514000+08:00","text":"也就是委員所講的，我們從源頭不管對人或車，提出比較嚴厲的管控制度。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:44.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:49.897000+08:00","text":"你的意思是我剛所說的那些，只要明天政策出來，就可以達到100分？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:50.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:51.017000+08:00","text":"不會再有我說的這些狀況發生？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:51.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:51.517000+08:00","text":"應該會，應該就是像委員所講的。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:51.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:53.098000+08:00","text":"其實這些我們都討論過，會也都是我去開的……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:20:53.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:20:54.639000+08:00","text":"我不管你們討論過幾次，我現在是問你結果，對不對？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:21:06.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:21:08.784000+08:00","text":"委員要問的結果，明天應該都會出來。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:21:08.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:21:10.105000+08:00","text":"都會出來？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:21:10.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:21:10.505000+08:00","text":"那我們就看明天了，好不好？","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:21:11.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:21:11.966000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:21:14.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:21:14.868000+08:00","text":"再來我想請問交通部次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:21:14.868000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:21:24.607000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:21:24.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:21:36.957000+08:00","text":"我想請問，對於設置定點測速什麼的，其實我都支持，畢竟是為了交通安全，所以我都支持。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:21:38.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:21:48.262000+08:00","text":"但在廣設科技執法的情況下，我認為配套有點不足。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:21:49.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:21:50.924000+08:00","text":"我再強調，我們支持安全。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:21:52.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:02.953000+08:00","text":"不過現在一般省道、鄉道的速限標誌或標線，法定最高時速是不是五十公里而已？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:05.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:06.696000+08:00","text":"鄉道……一般的道路上？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:08.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:15.729000+08:00","text":"就是一般的道路，管他什麼鄉道、縣道，就是一般的道路，是不是五十？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:17.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:20.491000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有五十，也有四十，甚至也有到六十的，要看不同的地點而定。沒有！","quality":0.323},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:21.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:38.318000+08:00","text":"這是你們的規定，也就是最高時速就是五十，而有設快慢車道分隔線的，慢車道速限為四十；未劃設車道線或行車分隔線的道路，速限三十。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:42.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:45.576000+08:00","text":"次長，騎腳踏車的時速大概多少，你知道嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:45.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:50.260000+08:00","text":"騎腳踏車大概在十五，最快到十五，有時候會到二十。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:51.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:52.862000+08:00","text":"沒有，一般啦，一般大概十五到二十。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:52.862000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:53.862000+08:00","text":"對，我剛剛就是講十五到二十。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:53.862000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:54.862000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:53.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:22:54.264000+08:00","text":"一般十五到二十。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:22:58.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:04.513000+08:00","text":"若照你們的規定速限設三十公里，那我跟你講，連騎腳踏車都會超速！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:07.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:07.623000+08:00","text":"會不會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:07.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:09.805000+08:00","text":"如果騎快一點，連騎腳踏車都會超速。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:11.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:15.550000+08:00","text":"如果是騎一般的人力腳踏車，要騎到二十五、三十……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:17.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:19.513000+08:00","text":"我體力好，有沒有可能超速？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:20.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:22.815000+08:00","text":"你們的規定是三十公里，那麼我騎腳踏車會不會超速？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:24.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:27.999000+08:00","text":"有可能，但要到那種程度不太容易。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:29.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:34.204000+08:00","text":"就算是開車也不可能一路飆，對不對？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:34.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:37.619000+08:00","text":"所以連騎腳踏車都會超速，對不對？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:37.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:38.760000+08:00","text":"你剛剛也講有可能啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:39.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:41.682000+08:00","text":"是有可能，但那個真的要非常努力！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:43.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:46.685000+08:00","text":"不用非常努力，三十公里……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:47.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:48.306000+08:00","text":"真的要非常努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:48.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:50.348000+08:00","text":"三十公里我不認為要非常努力……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:50.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:52.489000+08:00","text":"真的要非常努力，我騎過。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:52.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:53.090000+08:00","text":"你騎過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:53.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:56.212000+08:00","text":"我們不要講個人怎麼樣……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:56.212000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:57.212000+08:00","text":"真的要非常努力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:56.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:23:57.212000+08:00","text":"個人的體力不一樣！是、是。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:23:57.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:24:00.595000+08:00","text":"但三十是不是很有可能就超速了？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:24:01.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:24:01.155000+08:00","text":"會發生。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:24:01.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:24:03.577000+08:00","text":"會發生，對不對？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:24:04.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:24:06.178000+08:00","text":"你承認會發生？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:24:07.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:24:21.365000+08:00","text":"我在這邊我要講，我非常支持，但全國的速限什麼的也要相對去檢討，一般道路用三十就是限人民於不義！","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:24:22.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:24:35.256000+08:00","text":"我稍微騎個摩托車，結果你們用科技執法、點到點，這樣罰單當然會開很多，也當然引起很多民怨，是不是會造成這樣？","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:24:35.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:24:48.341000+08:00","text":"委員講到的這幾個面向，設置測速照相的點的選擇，還有速限的規範，都要整體來看，也有檢討的空間。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:24:48.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:24:50.182000+08:00","text":"有檢討的空間？是、是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:24:50.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:24:52.383000+08:00","text":"對，就是這一句話，我就是要問這個。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:24:52.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:07.376000+08:00","text":"我非常支持，畢竟太多的超速或飆車什麼的，這種我們絕對不允許；但速限過低，那就是陷人民於不義，對不對？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:25:08.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:10.138000+08:00","text":"腳踏車只要騎快一點都有可能超速。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:25:12.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:17.483000+08:00","text":"念國中時我騎腳踏車上學，我的時速一定超過三十，為什麼？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:25:17.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:22.621000+08:00","text":"因為都拖到最後一刻才要趕去學校，我的同學每個都這樣！","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:25:23.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:25.365000+08:00","text":"許委員點頭了，我們住鄉下的是不是都這樣，對不對？了解。","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:25:25.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:28.289000+08:00","text":"每個一定都超過三十，為了趕上課、為了下課要趕去玩，所以一定都超過三十。","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:25:39.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:41.545000+08:00","text":"我真的覺得這種速限要檢討一下！","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:25:42.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:43.786000+08:00","text":"多久時間可以檢討？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:25:43.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:50.031000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，速限的設置其實最後要回歸到……如果是省道、國道，那是我們……","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:25:50.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:52.893000+08:00","text":"我知道還有縣市政府什麼的，我只問你要檢討多久？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:25:53.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:25:54.173000+08:00","text":"我們會再請相關單位儘速檢討……多久？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:03.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:06.005000+08:00","text":"我們一個月內函請各相關單位來做檢討。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:06.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:07.287000+08:00","text":"一個月內請他們來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:07.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:08.449000+08:00","text":"我覺得不對！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:08.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:15.712000+08:00","text":"如果你很重視，三天就可以發文請他們來，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:15.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:16.893000+08:00","text":"如果你很重視這個問題。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:18.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:27.419000+08:00","text":"其實並不用你親自去發文，交通部三天就可以發文，一個月就可以有初步規劃，半年就可以把臺灣的問題解決。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:28.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:32.502000+08:00","text":"我在行政機關也十幾年了，這種事就是要做、不做而已！","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:33.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:34.323000+08:00","text":"發文還要一個禮拜？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:34.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:42.928000+08:00","text":"我聽到都覺得……不是我要生氣，我今天是立法委員在這邊質詢你，然後你跟我講發文要一個禮拜？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:45.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:49.151000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，回去交代一下，下午就可以發文了，是不是？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:49.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:51.552000+08:00","text":"是，我們立即來處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:26:54.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:26:59.877000+08:00","text":"全臺灣有太多這類問題，所以我也不敢讓你們去做做不到的事。","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:01.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:12.603000+08:00","text":"半年、用半年的時間把臺灣這些不符合人情、不合比例的速限檢討一下。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:13.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:18.514000+08:00","text":"我並不是要你調高很多，是調高到合理，這樣可不可以？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:19.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:20.094000+08:00","text":"可以、可以。可以？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:20.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:25.316000+08:00","text":"我們請各個道路主管機關來做相關檢討。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:26.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:37.081000+08:00","text":"署長，他們如果要做合理的調整，其實也要問你們第一線交通隊的意見，對不對？對。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:37.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:40.982000+08:00","text":"他們要問你們，因為你們可能比他們更清楚！對。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:40.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:45.224000+08:00","text":"我們要一個合理的……你覺得我剛剛說的三十公里合不合理？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:46.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:47.850000+08:00","text":"有一些路段真的很不合理。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:48.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:52.394000+08:00","text":"對，很不合理，而且造成第一線警察執行的困擾！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:52.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:53.195000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:53.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:56.297000+08:00","text":"我已經騎這麼慢了還給我開單？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:56.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:57.999000+08:00","text":"你們是不是有遇過這種？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:57.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:27:58.800000+08:00","text":"有，太多了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:27:59.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:00.101000+08:00","text":"對，太多了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:00.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:10.589000+08:00","text":"所以拜託署長，你們辛苦一點，請交通隊提供數據給他們，看合理的速限是多少？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:11.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:25.240000+08:00","text":"直線彎道什麼的都要好好檢討，用半年把它整理起來，相信這樣也可以減少第一線員警很多的紛爭，而且他們在執法時也不用每天跟人家吵架！","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:26.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:29.843000+08:00","text":"吵架的半小時就可以多做很多事情了，對不對？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:29.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:32.565000+08:00","text":"天氣這麼熱還要吵半個小時？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:32.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:36.648000+08:00","text":"很划不來，一個國家不應該這樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:37.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:38.149000+08:00","text":"署長，你們這邊可不可以配合？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:39.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:39.931000+08:00","text":"全力配合。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:40.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:41.172000+08:00","text":"好，全力配合。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:41.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:49.800000+08:00","text":"我們就花半年來做，劉部長，可以嗎？可以。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:50.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:51.501000+08:00","text":"沒問題。半年？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:51.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:51.722000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席（許委員忠信代）","start":"2026-06-03T10:28:52.222000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:28:53.936286+08:00","text":"請廖先翔委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}