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累犯這邊有累犯的數字刑度只有4.6個月只增加一個月他不斷獨駕再次被抓就是再多關4個月這樣子而已"},{"start":448.977,"end":468.457,"text":"這個要拜託 我認為這個加重刑責還是有其必要的雖然大家都說要有更有效的工具我覺得全面防堵啦源頭這邊管控非常必要那中間戒除毒癮的部分衛福部也都在進行了那最重要的這個給基層警力加強查緝的工具最後"},{"start":469.438,"end":490.583,"text":"這個加重刑責也是有其必要那我知道說我們近期已經把這個喪屍煙彈就是依托彌止本來是就是現在已經變成是二級了那現在也有在研議要讓它變成一級獨屠我們未來有可能就是要把它提升為一級是的好那我覺得這方面的研議都是有必要的在這邊真的拜託好謝謝署長謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:46.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:49.390000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們先請劉部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:49.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:51.396000+08:00","text":"消防署的蕭署長是不是也在這邊？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:51.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:51.416000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:55.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:56.794000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:56.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:54:57.554000+08:00","text":"部長好、署長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:54:57.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:09.799000+08:00","text":"因為剛剛前面有委員提到，我想要藉這個時間先問關於消防隊不能開冷氣的問題，我不知道署長、部長最近有沒有看到網路上很多人在討論？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:09.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:27.688000+08:00","text":"一開始先是高雄有一個消防分隊的可能是替代役，他在網路上說他們被限制開冷氣，結果他一講之後，各縣市的消防隊員也紛紛上來說他們也是有同樣的情況，我看了其實是覺得非常於心不忍。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:28.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:45.877000+08:00","text":"我會覺得消防署底下所有各縣市的消防局到消防分隊，為了要省幾度電，結果讓他們沒有辦法安心的出勤、沒有辦法安心的備勤，真的需要這樣子對他們嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:45.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:55:50.681000+08:00","text":"報告委員，造成委員的誤解，我想這個應該都不是正辦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-06-03T10:55:50.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:56:00.948000+08:00","text":"消防署從來沒有下令22個縣市消防局要對分隊限制冷氣的使用，但是我們針對22個縣市消防局到底出現什麼狀況，有一個律定已經出去了，我請署長跟您做補充報告。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:56:04.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:56:16.598000+08:00","text":"好，我先講一下我接到的情況，目前就我所知至少有8個縣市、15個分隊說有限制開冷氣，至於情況是怎樣？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:56:17.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:56:34.412000+08:00","text":"有的大隊甚至只有中午12點到2點，然後晚上8點到隔天早上6點可以開，其他時間是嚴格不能開冷氣的，我覺得這個已經會造成他們嚴重的熱傷害，尤其是這個天氣，不管你在臺北、在高雄都非常熱。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:56:34.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:56:36.394000+08:00","text":"剛剛部長也有提到，你們要跟勞動部講，他們其實都有規定相關熱傷害如何預防，但我覺得政府、國家作為消防隊的雇主，是不是應該帶頭來做這件事情呢？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2026-06-03T10:56:51.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:14.561000+08:00","text":"感謝委員關心，這個案子發生以後，我們在5月28號特別函請縣市，因為今年真的是高溫，怎麼樣在合理狀況下冷氣能夠開，能夠讓同仁可以在很舒適的環境裡面休息，這是我們想要共同達到的目標，這個部分我們跟縣市有這個共識。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:14.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:25.791000+08:00","text":"第二部分，事實上縣市在補助電費、汰換節能冷氣機，他們也同步在進行，我們初步跟各縣市了解以後有這樣的處理。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:25.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:26.792000+08:00","text":"剛才委員所關心的幾個案件，我們現在正在調查有沒有這個狀況，會逐步……","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:26.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:27.253000+08:00","text":"我是希望你們要有一個原則出來……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:27.253000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:34.681000+08:00","text":"是，我們有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:34.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:52.705000+08:00","text":"第一個，不要讓各地方消防局限制什麼時間不能開冷氣，然後你們可以有一些原則來建議他們，例如幾度以上可以開或者是開的溫度要限制在多少，我覺得這都可以討論，但不是說因為我們要節能減碳，所以消防隊員不能吹冷氣……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:52.705000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:53.705000+08:00","text":"對，這是過與不及啦！","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:52.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:57:53.405000+08:00","text":"請問他們中暑的話要怎麼出勤啊？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2026-06-03T10:57:53.405000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:00.600000+08:00","text":"了解，我了解委員的關心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:00.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:07.202000+08:00","text":"拜託要把基本的原則給下去，讓地方可以去遵循，照顧基層的消防員，好不好？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:07.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:08.202000+08:00","text":"拜託署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:08.202000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:09.202000+08:00","text":"感謝委員，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:08.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:08.782000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:08.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:15.864000+08:00","text":"再來請部長，我要講一下毒駕的事情，全民關注，我這裡私訊電話打進來的一堆。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:16.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:33.660000+08:00","text":"現在毒駕氾濫成這樣，源頭還是因為喪屍煙彈太容易取得，就我所知，其實它的源頭不只是依托咪酯酸，他用其他的方式都很容易合成，但這個源頭材料是沒有管制的。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:34.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:38.967000+08:00","text":"所以第一個想要請教部長，我們需要去管理源頭的材料嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:41.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:54.815000+08:00","text":"報告委員，源頭材料一定是要管理，這個是在衛福部，對於它的先驅原料不管依托咪酯酸或者二硫這些，在6月17號毒審會全部會把它列管，從源頭來列管。","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:55.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:58:56.696000+08:00","text":"好，第一個，源頭要列管。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:58:56.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:59:15.330000+08:00","text":"第二個，我認為邊境管理還是最重要的，我希望海關目前使用的包括拉曼光譜儀等等的檢測效能都可以再提升，因為邊境管理如果能夠管理好，進來的就少，我相信署長也很清楚。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T10:59:15.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:59:22.096000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，邊境管理也是一個源頭管理，其實我們警察單位也有拉曼光譜儀，所以我們會充分運用。","quality":0.641},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:59:22.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:59:42.917000+08:00","text":"我知道，可是現在的波長只有785mm，但是海關多數使用的檢測效能看起來還是有點……效能沒有能夠到達，包括如果它的表面有一些反光或是有一些不透明的材質，可能就感應不到之類的，這個是技術面的問題。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:59:42.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:59:44.057000+08:00","text":"當然，我有先讀完整個海關檢測的資料，但我認為如果儀器可以跟上就跟上，這個是我的建議。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:59:44.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T10:59:45.238000+08:00","text":"再來，其實我覺得最重要的，當然你們都說要加強查緝、戒除毒癮，這都是接下來要做的。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T10:59:45.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:00:12.248000+08:00","text":"我必須要說，其實你們要給基層警力，要讓他們加強查緝：第一個要給人力；第二個要給工具；第三個要給他們權力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T11:00:13.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:00:15.769000+08:00","text":"請問以上這三點，你們給了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T11:00:15.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:00:21.090000+08:00","text":"雖然我知道，現在署長說：給基層人員可以預防性羈押。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T11:00:21.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:00:25.032000+08:00","text":"但是喪屍煙彈無色無味，你在路上要怎麼攔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T11:00:27.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:00:33.391000+08:00","text":"所以檢測工具很重要，我知道現在有準備進口一批唾液快篩，是嗎？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T11:00:33.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:00:40.395000+08:00","text":"針對唾液快篩，我們各縣市本來就會買了，今年大概有採購4萬5,000劑……是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T11:00:40.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:00:43.737000+08:00","text":"所以現在基層的警力是都有足夠、有效，而且檢驗的工具……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T11:00:43.737000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:00:44.737000+08:00","text":"都有足夠。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T11:00:43.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:00:54.442000+08:00","text":"現在唾液快篩是足夠的，而且會隨時滾動式的檢討到底夠不夠，我們刑事局會做控管，工具是沒有問題的。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T11:00:56.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:01:09.168000+08:00","text":"現在因為這項工作，我們警察在外面執勤真的是很辛苦，也是因應各縣市警察局的特性來做這樣的規劃。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T11:01:09.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:01:14.407000+08:00","text":"我們會特別注意到他們的安全，並且也會提供足夠的裝備。好。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T11:01:15.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:01:22.471000+08:00","text":"這部分真的要拜託署長，而不是讓基層的警力不斷地增加負擔，給他們足夠的這些後援也都沒有，所以這邊一定要幫基層警力來發聲。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T11:01:22.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:01:25.812000+08:00","text":"最後，有關刑期的問題，大家都說這個刑責不夠，我也認為加重刑責是應該的，我這邊提供一個數字，2026年5月喪屍煙彈相關判決書裡有93筆毒駕案件，署長，知道平均刑度是多少嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T11:01:42.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:01:44.541000+08:00","text":"平均刑度是3.7個月。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T11:01:45.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:01:48.023000+08:00","text":"對，6個月以下。是的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T11:01:49.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:01:57.447000+08:00","text":"毒駕只要關3.7個月，我覺得這個刑度是非常不足，甚至累犯喔！","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-06-03T11:01:59.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:02:07.912000+08:00","text":"這邊有累犯的數字，刑度只有4.6個月，只增加1個月，他不斷毒駕，再次被抓，最多再關4個月而已。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T11:02:07.91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